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May 31, 2017 8:20 AM
#1
This question is more targeted towards males but females also can answer. "They don't have d**ks! It's so unrealistic I can't relate to this at all!" If you think you're not as dense, have you ever confess or ask girls for date? Because I don't and for me doing this is scarier than if I have to rewatch Coming Soon or even maybe seeing people got brutally runover right before my eyes. So I want to ask if you guys if there's any of you who just can't make a romantic move to girls before they confess their feelings to you? I kind of can relate to dense/donkan guy who can't made a romantic move before the girl confess "I love you, do you love me?" to them, but as for those who rejects the girl, I usually dislikes them. I'm asking this seriously because I don't want to think that people who say this are all resembles Makoto Itou. |
May 31, 2017 8:20 AM
#2
BECAUSE THEY ALWAYS CHOSE THE WRONG GIRL |
May 31, 2017 8:22 AM
#3
tragedydesu said: Now that's something that I can relate of. We need more assertive perverts to win harems. But what about a harem series which couple hasn't been decided yet?BECAUSE HE ALWAYS CHOSE THE WRONG GIRL |
May 31, 2017 8:26 AM
#4
Hate is the wrong word - more like jealousy. Hey you MC, you've got these great girls hitting on you non stop and you won't take 1 when I don't even have anyone that likes me ever in my life! Damn you! (says the audience). |
May 31, 2017 8:27 AM
#5
You said: tragedydesu said: Now that's something that I can relate of. We need more assertive perverts to win harems. But what about a harem series which couple hasn't been decided yet?BECAUSE HE ALWAYS CHOSE THE WRONG GIRL if he dont have any redeeming quality ofc i will hate him i mean he can be dense/weak but at least have something good instead (hard working,calm,honest,funny .....) |
May 31, 2017 8:27 AM
#6
well because that is non sense normally if you very close with girl at least you will try to understand her even you didnt love her or just look her as friend |
May 31, 2017 8:30 AM
#7
May 31, 2017 8:37 AM
#8
I guess some people want to see a better, more perfect version of themselves in fiction, I guess. So people with this point of view are sensitive to certain flaws they don't want so see. I mean, okay, it's natural. Everybody has his own pet peeves and how people respond to characters depends on personal values as well. Btw, identification and "I can relate" is overrated anyway, imo. People are different and if you want to see yourself in a story, write yourself a self-insert Gary Stue. XD |
May 31, 2017 8:40 AM
#9
Because it's a cheap way to draw out the story. They are running the same circles for an eternity instead of portraying a believable relationship. |
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May 31, 2017 8:41 AM
#10
@You Makoto Itou, that's funny, I'm just watching School days out of recommendation from the forums ( ep 6 so far ). Well, hope nobody gets offended by my answer ( I swore to myself to speak my mind and even my flaws, sadnesses and pains in this profile ) > I'm a woman, romantically dense myself. ( really emotional ). When I was in college i declared my love to another girl, notebook on chest with the "I love you" written and everything, she was my friend for years already. I was rejected immediately. "I don't like girls, sorry" she said. Big deal ? never spoke to me again, avoided me for the rest of college ( more 3 semesters ) never seen her after college either. This is me, about what happened, to this day: Still think about her. |
May 31, 2017 8:43 AM
#11
I don't really hate them, I don't usually care about the guy protagonist and am more focused on the lady characters in stuff like that to the point where he just seems irrelevant to me if anything i usually get annoyed when they aren't like that because it usually sucks up more time from the characters i actually want to see. not to say this can't be the case when they are like that and it annoys me just as much in that case as well, but it's less prevalent unless i really happen to like the guy character, at which point that isn't as much of a problem, but that's rare |
May 31, 2017 8:44 AM
#12
Wut lol? First of all what you're talking about isn't romantic denseness it's having no balls to confess your feelings. Denseness is when the dude doesn't realise the girls feelings and the thing is usually the level of denseness reaches far and high up to retardism levels. Sorry but your brain must be missing cognitive abilities if it wouldn't be able to comperhend some situations that happen. So yes it is unrealistic. Saying how i truly feel is easy cuz when i want to do it i do it and it's happened before and it wasn't anything hard.I'm a straightforward person when it comes to this and that's the way i decided i want to be.It isn't anything hard to say i like you. The first time i had a crush i said it literally straight to her face. And yes i've asked girls out also not hard. |
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May 31, 2017 8:45 AM
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May 31, 2017 8:51 AM
#14
the worst romantically-dense related trope IMO is lines like "what could this doki-doki feeling be? D:" like j/c >___> it's obv love what kind of people doesnt know love very unrealistic and in a bad way |
May 31, 2017 8:52 AM
#15
TeaAndWind said: Well that's sad :(@You Makoto Itou, that's funny, I'm just watching School days out of recommendation from the forums ( ep 6 so far ). Well, hope nobody gets offended by my answer ( I swore to myself to speak my mind and even my flaws, sadnesses and pains in this profile ) > I'm a woman, romantically dense myself. ( really emotional ). When I was in college i declared my love to another girl, notebook on chest with the "I love you" written and everything, she was my friend for years already. I was rejected immediately. "I don't like girls, sorry" she said. Big deal ? never spoke to me again, avoided me for the rest of college ( more 3 semesters ) never seen her after college either. This is me, about what happened, to this day: Still think about her. AstZero said: But isn't people who know a girl have crush on him but don't know how to make a move or react practically acted not that different to those who don't know if the girl have crush on him? And good for you if you can confess that easy.Wut lol? First of all what you're talking about isn't romantic denseness it's having no balls to confess your feelings. Denseness is when the dude doesn't realise the girls feelings and the thing is usually the level of denseness reaches far and high up to retardism levels. Sorry but your brain must be missing cognitive abilities if it wouldn't be able to comperhend some situations that happen. So yes it is unrealistic. Saying how i truly feel is easy cuz when i want to do it i do it and it's happened before and it wasn't anything hard.I'm a straightforward person when it comes to this and that's the way i decided i want to be.It isn't anything hard to say i like you. The first time i had a crush i said it literally straight to her face. And yes i've asked girls out also not hard. |
May 31, 2017 8:53 AM
#16
You said: This question is more targeted towards males but females also can answer. I kind of can relate to dense/donkan guy who can't made a romantic move before the girl confess "I love you, do you love me?" to them, but as for those who rejects the girl, I usually dislikes them. OP? Confessing already won't sums up everything, as long as you convey your emotion to someone you felt with. |
May 31, 2017 8:55 AM
#17
RnDNEET021 said: What do you mean? Of course I mean when they say that seriously, not as a joke.You said: This question is more targeted towards males but females also can answer. [b] I kind of can relate to dense/donkan guy who can't made a romantic move before the girl confess "I love you, do you love me?" to them, but as for those who rejects the girl, I usually dislikes them. OP? Confessing already won't sums up everything, as long as you convey your emotion to someone you felt with. |
May 31, 2017 8:58 AM
#18
May 31, 2017 9:00 AM
#19
MCs like that first need to lose their v-card. Ohh... I gave the hint there... :/ |
May 31, 2017 9:01 AM
#20
Heldengeist said: Because it's a cheap way to draw out the story. They are running the same circles for an eternity instead of portraying a believable relationship. This. Basically this. The character opens up the gate for contrivances galore. It's painful how the majority of romance stories are just spending the majority of their runtime getting the main pairing to hook up already. |
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May 31, 2017 9:02 AM
#21
Personally, I found it fun to read Infinite Stratos LN, specifically the parts where Ichika does not understand the girls' feelings. Hamudanu said: well because that is non sense normally if you very close with girl at least you will try to understand her even you didnt love her or just look her as friend You can try to understand somebody, but understanding a tsundere is pretty hard when you don't have the opportunity to observe her not being affected by you. Actually, I don't think it is expected for a teenage boy to actually succeed in understanding a girl. But shota protagonists like Negi Springfield are the best when it comes to not understanding. DragonSlayer_19 said: There's nothing wrong with being dense. What's annoying is being overly dense, denser than titanium that you can't take a strong hint thrown in the middle of your face like the MC of infinite stratos. Actually, titanium is very light (=has low density), compared to usual metals like steel or copper. The dense metals are iridium and uranium. |
May 31, 2017 9:04 AM
#22
I can deal with inexperienced or/and shy MCs, since most anime are usually focussing more on first experiences and real love. It's harder to make a move on a girl, when you have a real interest in her and not just want to stick your dick into one of her holes. Getting rejected after you opened your heart is one of the most painful things, it's understandable to wait for the right oppurtunity or till you are 100% ready for it. and dunno if this is off topic. I also think that the behaviour of japanese boys differs a lot from western guys, it's most likely not as bad as it's portrayed in anime, though. But japanese viewers can probably relate better to those MCs, cause most of them are also inexperienced, while for some of us it's pretty normal to have some experiences at the age of 16-17. |
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May 31, 2017 9:04 AM
#23
flannan said: Personally, I found it fun to read Infinite Stratos LN, specifically the parts where Ichika does not understand the girls' feelings. Hamudanu said: well because that is non sense normally if you very close with girl at least you will try to understand her even you didnt love her or just look her as friend You can try to understand somebody, but understanding a tsundere is pretty hard when you don't have the opportunity to observe her not being affected by you. Actually, I don't think it is expected for a teenage boy to actually succeed in understanding a girl. But shota protagonists like Negi Springfield are the best when it comes to not understanding. DragonSlayer_19 said: There's nothing wrong with being dense. What's annoying is being overly dense, denser than titanium that you can't take a strong hint thrown in the middle of your face like the MC of infinite stratos. Actually, titanium is very light (=has low density), compared to usual metals like steel or copper. The dense metals are iridium and uranium. Ah my bad, i must have mixed it up with another metal I remember reading back then in a meme about denseness lol |
May 31, 2017 9:07 AM
#24
Because they make the story boring, unless the story is structured to them accordingly. |
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May 31, 2017 9:08 AM
#25
Kuma said: Exactly that. I couldn't have said it myself better. the main problem lies not dense it self as character, but writer oftenly abused it as plot convinience to dragging the story... I don't really mind dense (romantically wise) harem main characters, and I think I have never hated one in my life, but the situations their density entails can get frustrating. I don't understand that thing of the self insert either. I have never self inserted in any character no matter how cool or badass he/she looked, let alone a supposedly average guy. In the most cases, the most I feel is envy. |
May 31, 2017 9:08 AM
#26
Well realistically speaking being dense isn't that strange. But anime isn't real life, and from a third-person perspective it's annoying to watch. If sacrificing a bit of realism and/or relatability is what it takes to get a slightly more assertive and/or observant MC, that's a totally worthwhile tradeoff to me Kuma said: Also thisthe main problem lies not dense it self as character, but writer oftenly abused it as plot convinience to dragging the story... |
May 31, 2017 9:13 AM
#27
May 31, 2017 9:19 AM
#28
I think it's fine if it was just a simple dense thingy. But it just out level stupid if you can't catch up all the Clear Clues given by all those female Mcs. No matter how dense you can be, its somewhat can be clear given the expression of female faces, body and words. Prolly in anime/manga it's just to drag thing down as a path to next stage. While it is right to humble your feelings down, it just devastating absurdity if you're taking 'All girls doesn't love/like me, i'm not that great etc' too far. That's bullshit. |
May 31, 2017 9:25 AM
#29
Dense but respectful Protaognist>>>>>Protagonist who sexually harasses women at every opportunity (Looking at you Rance and Osadai MC). |
May 31, 2017 9:32 AM
#30
You are confusing dense protagonists vs protagonists that don't want to take the initiative. The former is one the protagonist is completely unaware that a girl that likes him despite frequent flirting that has no subtlety or ambiguity. This is frustrating because you have to be extremely socially retarded to not pick up on these tells. Its too contrived to have a story with no explanation in why the protagonist seems to not see the obvious, hence the complaints. A good dense protagonist can explain this away with inner character conflicts or show how the character is different from a normal person. Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Comedy wa Machigatteiru does a great job in showing how the main character seems to be observant enough to pick up on teenage social politics but failing to see that he is a harem protagonist because of his past experiences of rejection and his anti-social personality. Not every dense protagonist needs to be an anti-social loner or be somewhere on the autistic spectrum but their needs to be a decent explanation why the main character fails to not notice overt flirting by other girls. If they try to ignore the flirting feign being dense that is not being a dense protagonist. Not all dense protagonists are dense forever in the anime unless its played off as a gag or is bad writing. You would be surprised though most characters are not actually dense in harem/romance anime but usually fear to take the initiative or already have someone else in mind. A person doesn't need to flat out reject a person after noticing the someone is flirting with them. A harem protagonist doesn't need to pull his dick out and do the deed as soon as he noticed a girl likes him because that is as ridiculous as a completely dense protagonist. |
May 31, 2017 9:38 AM
#31
May 31, 2017 10:45 AM
#32
DragonSlayer_19 said: There's nothing wrong with being dense. What's annoying is being overly dense, denser than titanium that you can't take a strong hint thrown in the middle of your face like the MC of infinite stratos. But isn't ichika a sis-con though? They hint at it a few times. |
May 31, 2017 11:01 AM
#33
It's not really the fact that they aren't making the first move that bothers people, it's the one that's the type of guy to see a girl very clearly making advances on him and still be like "uhhh what does she want" |
May 31, 2017 11:09 AM
#34
Because some Mcs are such permavirginbetacucks they can't even have normal friendly conversations with attractive girls without playing the game of hope for sex and relationships without acknowledging that they exist, a lot like real people, so you do have a point OP, but it's still obnoxious to watch (also like real life) and yes I can ask a girl out on a date, I understand the MC struggle, I was 14 once, but it's really not that hard "Hey, do yo want to go to X place at Y time?" And then you go... or not, and nobody really cares either way, unless you're in high school, which many anime are set in. |
May 31, 2017 11:18 AM
#35
chinesecartoonz said: It's not really the fact that they aren't making the first move that bothers people, it's the one that's the type of guy to see a girl very clearly making advances on him and still be like "uhhh what does she want" ^This so very much especially in harems... Its downright irritating to see a woman pretty much throw herself at the dude and he still doesn't get that the girl likes him or at the very least wants to have sex. If she was being subtle then I wouldn't mind, but if a girl is being that blunt about it. I find it that hard to believe that a guy can be that dense. |
May 31, 2017 11:20 AM
#36
Because they are romantically dense... Duh! Shitposting aside, people generally hate it why an MC becomes too dense because you know, too dense MC = meaningless misunderstanding and just dragging the story for too long.. And everybody hates that. As for most harem MCs, I don't know about people, but I don't really hate them.. They go with the flow most of the time without giving it much thoughts and I find it pretty natural tbh.. |
May 31, 2017 1:06 PM
#37
well it is quite a tease and torture when the dense protagonist is going in the wrong direction while the viewers are aware of where it might go wrong. and they feel sentimental for the one who fell for this dense fool. |
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May 31, 2017 1:22 PM
#38
well in my opinion its probably because i'd feel bad for the person i'm shipping them with... and because of there density they look insensitivity or seem stupid atleast to me and also makes you question what kind of person falls in love with these kinds of people in the first place right making the story less believable? but who watches these things for realism right? amirite :) Not forgetting to mention the case of how dense that certain character is... there are just some protagonists that are as dense or if not denser than a black hole to the point where it gets annoying.... |
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May 31, 2017 1:45 PM
#39
I'm okay with dense, but Neutron Star Dense is on a whole other level. Ichika from Infinite Stratos for example: This is the level of Dense Ichika is. That is just beyond dense. Styrofoam will actually sink in water if it was as dense as Ichika. |
May 31, 2017 1:46 PM
#40
chinesecartoonz said: It's not really the fact that they aren't making the first move that bothers people, it's the one that's the type of guy to see a girl very clearly making advances on him and still be like "uhhh what does she want" This, so much this. When a girl tells you that she wants to sleep with you, you should at least say something and not just run away. I'm not asking for someone like Rance (I do love based Rance) but give our MC the decency to make his feelings clear on the matter when he knows that a girl he doesn't like totally wants him. |
May 31, 2017 1:51 PM
#41
Elegade said: I'm okay with dense, but Neutron Star Dense is on a whole other level. Ichika from Infinite Stratos for example: This is the level of Dense Ichika is. That is just beyond dense. Styrofoam will actually sink in water if it was as dense as Ichika. Ichika is not dense! He just not inyerested in those girls because he already choose best girl Chifuyu. |
May 31, 2017 2:05 PM
#42
Elegade said: If he really that bad? I might watch the series just to see how stupid he is.I'm okay with dense, but Neutron Star Dense is on a whole other level. Ichika from Infinite Stratos for example: This is the level of Dense Ichika is. That is just beyond dense. Styrofoam will actually sink in water if it was as dense as Ichika. |
May 31, 2017 2:08 PM
#43
Illyricus said: Elegade said: If he really that bad? I might watch the series just to see how stupid he is.I'm okay with dense, but Neutron Star Dense is on a whole other level. Ichika from Infinite Stratos for example: This is the level of Dense Ichika is. That is just beyond dense. Styrofoam will actually sink in water if it was as dense as Ichika. If you do watch it, prepare for the most frustrating moments in rom-com history. |
May 31, 2017 2:23 PM
#44
its just frustration and disappointment from not seeing your character do as you wish (or expected) them to do, so its like a fail role play |
May 31, 2017 2:26 PM
#45
Elegade said: Well, that sounds like "so bad, is good" material at least xD If I will have a laugh or two, then it's okay.Illyricus said: Elegade said: I'm okay with dense, but Neutron Star Dense is on a whole other level. Ichika from Infinite Stratos for example: This is the level of Dense Ichika is. That is just beyond dense. Styrofoam will actually sink in water if it was as dense as Ichika. If you do watch it, prepare for the most frustrating moments in rom-com history. |
May 31, 2017 2:46 PM
#46
May 31, 2017 3:05 PM
#47
Cagliyora said: chinesecartoonz said: It's not really the fact that they aren't making the first move that bothers people, it's the one that's the type of guy to see a girl very clearly making advances on him and still be like "uhhh what does she want" This, so much this. When a girl tells you that she wants to sleep with you, you should at least say something and not just run away. I'm not asking for someone like Rance (I do love based Rance) but give our MC the decency to make his feelings clear on the matter when he knows that a girl he doesn't like totally wants him. iI recall a moment in VII where Rance actually did just that when one of the female characters confessed to him. |
May 31, 2017 3:18 PM
#48
SuperRed said: Cagliyora said: chinesecartoonz said: It's not really the fact that they aren't making the first move that bothers people, it's the one that's the type of guy to see a girl very clearly making advances on him and still be like "uhhh what does she want" This, so much this. When a girl tells you that she wants to sleep with you, you should at least say something and not just run away. I'm not asking for someone like Rance (I do love based Rance) but give our MC the decency to make his feelings clear on the matter when he knows that a girl he doesn't like totally wants him. iI recall a moment in VII where Rance actually did just that when one of the female characters confessed to him. Yeah but in that case it was actually quite funny because Rance normally never does that and he's had a lot of experience with women. There was also a reason why it happened, Kenshin is one of the nicest girls in all of the Rance games (as nice as a war godess can be anyway) and unlike Lia she isn't crazy so Rance was genuinely confused at the event. He does eventually answer her feelings by maxing her affection. I admit I didn't think off that event when I typed my post but it honestly didn't bother me. So yeah I guess I'm actually fine with a guy running away from a girl if there's a good reason behind it and as long as that issue actually gets resolved in a few episodes rather then the next season. |
May 31, 2017 4:06 PM
#49
Illyricus said: Yes, it will turn out to be quite funny when you know what to be expected. Beside, like I said he already choose best girl Chifuyu.Elegade said: Well, that sounds like "so bad, is good" material at least xD If I will have a laugh or two, then it's okay.Illyricus said: Elegade said: If he really that bad? I might watch the series just to see how stupid he is.I'm okay with dense, but Neutron Star Dense is on a whole other level. Ichika from Infinite Stratos for example: This is the level of Dense Ichika is. That is just beyond dense. Styrofoam will actually sink in water if it was as dense as Ichika. If you do watch it, prepare for the most frustrating moments in rom-com history. |
May 31, 2017 4:45 PM
#50
Have you seen Shana season one ending? (for those who know I don't know how you watched the second season but I praise you dedication.) The fact that we the audience sat though 20+ episodes of Shana being a bitch we come to the confession scene we finally have given in to Shana cuteness as she muster up the courage to say I love you and because our protagonist is so dense and stupid we have to suffer through another season just to do the same thing again. Otherwise known as it is a waste of time to have dense protagonist because the Creator canusethat to just pad more unnessary stuff. Even if the girls is butt ass naked with nothing but a apron on cooking because they are by themselves for the night. The protagonist would still think it is just a study session. It does nothing for anyone and it would be more interesting if they weren't that way |
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