| No, in my opinion it doesn't if it's done right. I'll give an example - I usually don't care much about art and animation. Since I've started watching anime there were only two times when these factors really influenced my score, both because of CGI. These are: - Sidonia no Kishi - it was full CGI and it wasn't well-done, in fact all characters looked the same, their movements were awkward and face-expressions looked emotionless like in some kind of low budget video game, it was plain terrible and even though I loved the show I had to lower the score from 9 to 8 because I could barely stand the character animation Though I'm not saying that everything went wrong ; the basic character movement was cringeworthy but CGI worked great during fighting scenes - High Speed: Free! Starting Day - it was 2D + 3DCGI and it was the most beautiful thing I've seen so far, the water movement was full CGI and I have no words to describe how perfect it looked, CGI hair movement was really pleasant to see, some character movements were also CGI and it didn't look bad or awkward at all, the traditional animation mixed with 3D animation so well I was shocked because before I'd always thought that CGI is garbage, but when I was watching it it made me wish for more anime like that ; it was the first time I've increased the score (7->8) just because of how fucking perfect the art and animation was There are cases when CGI can ruin a particular show but it certainly doesn't ruin anime in general, in fact it can improve anime and hopefully in a few years we can see true visual masterpieces and less shows with awkward animation like Sidonia no Kishi. |
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| First off, depends on who's doing it. The guys over at Polygon Pictures do a pretty good job of it and so does Studio 4C (I think that's the name). I believe the 3rd Berserk movie (made by Studio 4C) used CGI faces and overlaid it with regular animation and it looks fucking great. But take Berserk 2016 for example. The director had no experience with CGI whatsoever so that was always going to be iffy. Secondly, the fuck do you mean the Evangelion CGI is jarring. Literally my friend is sitting next to me and he said he never noticed it. |
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| If well done it doesn't ruin anything like Uchuu Senkan Yamato 2199 or Mononoke Hime. |
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| so far... others can't just take it seriously onto 10fps animation... But the more you can possibly absorb to that the more you can truly appreciate.. their work of art... Well Ajin... did a great job and also Knight of Sidonia... Oh yeah... Polygon Pictures... had another anime to adapted... and named Blame |
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| That, of course, depends of the quality of the CGI. The scenes of the Otherworld in Black Rock Shooter were made in CGI, yet it was so well made it made the fights of the series spectacular. Then you have the CGI dinosaurs from Rewrite... |
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| No, it does not. CGI has allowed the progression of animation. Do you really want to go back to the 80s cell animation? Not that it looked bad in any way, but the amount of anime made would decrease severely. It would be nearly impossible to produce grandiose works (although there are quite a few exceptions), purely because it just takes too much effort. Although, of course when taken to an extreme, it does. Especially when the cgi is bad and plentiful, although that was much more prevalent in the early 2000s that it is now. |
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| wait for Snack World going to be best CG anime |
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| I dont think so, for me at least CGI make things easier, and because of that its good for anime studio, but ofc some CGI falls really hard for my opinion and make 3D looks like shiet D: |
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| No it doesn't. Bad CGi is bad - but so is "bad animation". An anime is not ruined because it has CGi elements, but it can be ruined or at least be less beautiful because the CGi isn't done that well. There are really pretty CGi elements used in anime and also does some CGi fit some shows' atmosphere pretty well - so I doubt CGi ruins anime. |
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| I personally loved the CGI used in Evangelion rebuilds. They looked gorgeous |
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rvbrick said: Not when it's well done. I would prefer if it wasn't used in anime, but I was fine with it in the Rebuilds and the Berserk Golden Age Arc trilogy. I hate, hate hate hate when CGI is used for vehicles though. Really, if people could hand draw cars 30 years ago, why can't the animators draw them now with their handy dandy digital tablets? Because it's way, way easier to use 3d in that case. you don't need to animate a car, it's just a block you can move as you want on screen. I know, I hate 3d cars too, but consider how time-consuming it'd be to draw all those cars flying around in high detail when Eva-01 runs in the rebuilds. However, there's really no excuse for the 3d angels and mechas :x Another problem with 3d is that it means giving up on a lot of what makes animation interesting: exagerated proportions and movements. @AnjuRatti it was pretty well integrated most of the time, but damn does it go overboard with CGI toward the end. Sahaquiel was hilarious with his bright colors, and the end of the second one was an FX fuckfest that achieves nothing new compared to the original and its complete lack of flashy stuff. All that neon red and lazors were really off-putting and random. That's another problem with CGI. The tempation to vomit tons of filters and flares and gradients and glows everywhere, do stupid camera movements, etc, just because it's easy to do. |
DeathkoMar 15, 2017 3:06 AM
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| Yes but it depends on the show, I'd say it ruins Love Live but fits perfectly with Ajin |
| Not to me. I was able to enjoy Sidonia, Ronja, Ajin just fine. At worst I'll be mildly annoyed by it but that can easily be made up for having good characters and writing. |
AlcoholicideMar 15, 2017 4:43 AM
| I probably regret this post by now. |
HikiNEET021 said: Doesn't most anime scenes run on 10fps aswell.. some are even at 6fps like backgrounds or random people in far back.so far... others can't just take it seriously onto 10fps animation... |
| dont't watch that anime if you are going to give it 1* and cry 10000 words in review about it. |
YeAhx said: HikiNEET021 said: Doesn't most anime scenes run on 10fps aswell.. some are even at 6fps like backgrounds or random people in far back.so far... others can't just take it seriously onto 10fps animation... Pretty sure there's even a lot of 1fps stills in anime all the time. |
| I probably regret this post by now. |
| @rsc-pl Who is doing watchable 3DCG? Plenty actually. Sanzigen (Bubuki Buranki) Polygon Pictures (Knights of Sidonia, Ajin, Blame!) Studio 4C (Berserk Golden Age movies) P.A. Works (Kuromukuro) Tatsunoko Production (Gatchaman Crowds, Karas) Karas fight scene: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6E_lsdOFoMM Production I.G (Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex) 8bit (Comet Lucifer) Kamikaze Douga (guys who do the JoJo OPs that are full CG) Khara (Evangelion 1.0-3.0, The Dragon's Dentist) |
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amk_2397 said: @rsc-pl Who is doing watchable 3DCG? Plenty actually. Sanzigen (Bubuki Buranki) Polygon Pictures (Knights of Sidonia, Ajin, Blame!) Studio 4C (Berserk Golden Age movies) P.A. Works (Kuromukuro) Tatsunoko Production (Gatchaman Crowds, Karas) Karas fight scene: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6E_lsdOFoMM Production I.G (Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex) 8bit (Comet Lucifer) Kamikaze Douga (guys who do the JoJo OPs that are full CG) Khara (Evangelion 1.0-3.0, The Dragon's Dentist) don't bother, the anti-cgi extremists will just say none of them are watchable. It's subjective after all and if you decide beforehand to always hate CGI anime, you always will. |
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Pullman said: yeah i should know better but meh whatever.amk_2397 said: @rsc-pl Who is doing watchable 3DCG? Plenty actually. Sanzigen (Bubuki Buranki) Polygon Pictures (Knights of Sidonia, Ajin, Blame!) Studio 4C (Berserk Golden Age movies) P.A. Works (Kuromukuro) Tatsunoko Production (Gatchaman Crowds, Karas) Karas fight scene: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6E_lsdOFoMM Production I.G (Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex) 8bit (Comet Lucifer) Kamikaze Douga (guys who do the JoJo OPs that are full CG) Khara (Evangelion 1.0-3.0, The Dragon's Dentist) don't bother, the anti-cgi extremists will just say none of them are watchable. It's subjective after all and if you decide beforehand to always hate CGI anime, you always will. |
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| I think it doesn't ruin it, in fact it reduces the amount of work by the animators, though that meas less opportunity for the animators. So, I dunno... I also don't know what the fuck I am talking about... |
| did you guys watch angry birds the movie? that's the best CG ANIME!!!! |
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| Call me Nostradamus folks. But well, people who talk about art as if it can be 'good' or 'bad' and not just different styles are not someone I'll ever be able to take seriously anyway. That's not a 'higher sense of art', it's completely missing the point of art when you want to standardize it and call everything deviating from your standard 'bad' 'shit' and 'ugly'. Do your thing by all means, but please don't think you're an 'art connoisseur' because you can't enjoy different artstyles. That's just being narrow-minded. The beauty of art lies in its variety and different styles being able to fulfil different purposes. The whole idea that art styles can be objectively 'better' than others and some just can be 'shit' without discussion is offensive to me and not something anyone with a 'higher sense of art' would ever propose. The less variety you can accept and enjoy in terms of art the lower your sense for art is in my opinion. |
AlcoholicideMar 15, 2017 5:54 AM
| I probably regret this post by now. |
| You know, I bash the Rebuilds a lot, particularly 3.33. But there is one thing I don't have an issue with, and that's the CGI. It looks fan-fucking-magnificent! And no, it does not jar negatively with the drawn scenery. I myself like 3DCGI anime, and I still don't understand the strong backlash against it, especially considering it has made great strides (with the odd exception) since it was first used. |
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rsc-pl said: ____________________ Yes, when there is a show with high amount of 3DCG, I'm dropping it even if story and characters are ok. I am aware that this is your opinion, and that's fine. However, what if the story and characters are the focus? In zegapain, which is one the best shows imo, the cgi used is horseshit. But I think that if you dismiss the show because of it, it's very disrespectful to the effort they made. For example, would you not read a fantastic essay when the handwriting is bad? I think it would be worth the extra effort to do so. |
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rsc-pl said: RedInfinity said: For example, would you not read a fantastic essay when the handwriting is bad? I think it would be worth the extra effort to do so. Bad example, very bad. Handwriting is not affecting the story. Anime is a visual medium. Art is very important, like every other aspect -soundtrack, voice acting, direction, characters and finally the story. It's not a book with few paintings. I think it was very rude of you to completely dismiss my question. I made it extremely clear that all I gave was an example of emphasis on substance rather than presentation. The point was not to make a direct comparison between to media. Of course the visuals are fucking important in a visual medium. The question was for the case when the emphasis is less so. I get that you are strongly against the use of CGI, but so am I. My original comment was not to be taken offensively, or personally but purely out of curiosity. If my initial question was not worth your time, then you shouldn't have replied to it and moved on with your life. |
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Pullman said: Inconsistency ofcourse, and they are more of a still frame than fps.YeAhx said: Doesn't most anime scenes run on 10fps aswell.. some are even at 6fps like backgrounds or random people in far back. Pretty sure there's even a lot of 1fps stills in anime all the time. |
| dont't watch that anime if you are going to give it 1* and cry 10000 words in review about it. |
Darek said: @rsc-pl if I were to make a list of the most ignorant and retarded people on MAL you'd end pretty fucking high. Thank you for having the common sense to speak up. Truly. |
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| there is literally nothing wrong with cgi, or the 2nd half of picutres from @rsc-pl i take that none of you cgi deniers grow up with 3d cartoons like cubix and storm hawks |
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| Bad CGI yes. All CGI no Unfortunately the latter seems to be more common than the former when it comes to anime, but it is certainly not exclusive |
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| If it's stylistically jarring and/or poorly rendered, yeah. If not, no. |
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| Depends on the quality and the Anime itself.I'm not a big fan of CGI but I don't hate it eighter. |
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| People who are saying CGI ruin anime, ruin anime. |
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| In this anime I just wrote a review of I personally think CGI works best for it. CGI saves a lot of time especially when dealing with vehicles and dance scenes. |
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| I really don't like CGI, but that's because most of the adaptations I've watched are shit imo, the only ones I've liked are Ars-nova and Sidonia, yet Sidonia's character animation was sorta creepy lol |
| Cuteness > Everything else Cuteness is Love, Cuteness is Life |
| CGI Isn't so bad. There is some bad looking CGI that people seem to focus on and judge it all based on the bad stuff. |
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| I think the only time I really see CGI as a problem is when it is shoehorned awkwardly into a 2D based show. If the anime was full CGI to begin with or if it was done well enough to compliment the 2D style of the rest of the show then I am fine with it. |
| Bitch pls, Kemono Friends is literally saving anime right now. 2D trash can only dream of such deep compelling story and characters. |
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| I would have to say in most cases, they don't CGI something to make it look good, they CGI it to make it easier on themselves and I find that's the problem. It's not so much about appealing the viewers than it is just people doing their job and trying to finish under a quota. For regular TV series. Personally, the only acceptable thing for me when it comes to CGI in a 2D anime are special effects such as explosions but even CGI'd special effects can look bad. zombie_pegasus said: In this anime I just wrote a review of I personally think CGI works best for it. CGI saves a lot of time especially when dealing with vehicles and dance scenes. This is why Idolmaster anime has the best dance scenes, cause the characters aren't CGI'd. Props to Megumi Kouno for that. |
| It doesn't ruin the Eva Shin but it prevented us to see something prettier: why bother drawing the evangelions if you end up covering them. The only time it looked really weird to me was some street shots in the first movies with the usual 3DCGI crowd used to reduce costs either by gaining production time in animation or having no extra to employ in live-action (except Evangelion had no crowd but sparsed citizens). And maybe (not sure anymore), the 3DCGI vessels flying around the ex-third angel. On the other hand, I found that a few scenes looked way less impactful in their deluxe 3DCGI computer animated version than in their cellulo versions (example: the race through Tokyo-3 toward the estimated crash point). But it is probably not caused by the polygons. I want to add an example where I had no trouble with 3DCGI (while I had read some big complaints about it when it was released) : Escaflowne had very nice 3DCGI integration for its time, even compared to things who came later About the guy who was talking down on the cells animation in the 80s compared to computer assisted animation ( @RedInfinity ), compare movies scenes from this period to scenes from nowadays movies. There are worse and better or equal for both sides... edit @RedInfinity "the majority of the budget was spent on them instead of TV animation" ? o_O I was talking about movies in general, not only franchises movies (often poorer in technical quality). And I know that cellulo isn't superior to computers imagery, I even wrote that you can find bad, good or equivalent technicality in both. |
Rei_IIIMar 26, 2017 10:57 AM
| You'll be surprised just how much CGI you never notice. Keep that in mind when you're watching your favorite "CGI-free" anime. |
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Rei366 said: About the guy who was talking down on the cells animation in the 80s compared to computer assisted animation ( @RedInfinity ), compare movies scenes from this period to scenes from nowadays movies. There are worse and better or equal for both sides... I was not talking down on cell animation. In fact I adore cell animation. However we must progress during some period of our lives. We can't keep sticking to the past, however nice that might seem. Assisted animation has allowed the production of many shows that would otherwise have been impossible to make. The only reason why movies from the 80s look so incredible is because the majority of the budget was spent on them instead of tv anime. Not because people now are less capable or cell>comp.assisted |
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