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Jul 17, 2016 6:54 AM
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Eh another lighthearted episode. I think they're really pushing Hayate and Mirage's relationship lately..
Definitely felt like they were on a date with Chuck and others spying on them...

So yeah, not much action but more relationship building. I hope pacing picks up soon but the character chemistry is charming to watch in a way. Nice to see a little bit more of Freyja's past too. Freyja and Hayate got some nice moments this episode as well, glad they are keeping the relationship dynamics balanced.
Jul 17, 2016 8:14 AM
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The classic Macross birthday episode. Both Mynmay and Mylene had one and now it's Freyja's turn (cannot be sure if Ranka didn't have something similar too).

The triangle is on with Freyja in the lead for now. Mirage's tears at the end were sad to see.

Mikumo has plans for a couterattack involving the ruins. Let's see how that goes.
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Jul 17, 2016 8:22 AM
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Farabeuf said:
The classic Macross birthday episode. Both Mynmay and Mylene had one and now it's Freyja's turn (cannot be sure if Ranka didn't have something similar too).

The triangle is on with Freyja in the lead for now. Mirage's tears at the end were sad to see.

Mikumo has plans for a couterattack involving the ruins. Let's see how that goes.


The triangle looks more to be locked to Freyja which is a welcome change from the usual Macross love endings. God Bless You is so touching that I'm tearing up, what a great song combined with the snow.


Jul 17, 2016 8:52 AM
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Freyja's ship getting bigger but it won't sail. Now Freyja already live thru half of her life, she will continue to sing till the end with the love lock in her heart and pass away. The other way around Mirage's ship getting smaller, but her love for Hayate will become even stronger(thats the reason for her tears). Mirage confirm win in the end, this is Macross after all.
Jul 17, 2016 11:01 AM
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Indeed lighthearted and nice. Building up relationships is important too.
Hayate thought Freya would bash him back with like ecchi tone again but he sudden blush a bit.
Love Triangle were to expect from beginning and Mirage tears aww.

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Jul 17, 2016 11:04 AM
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Mirage's tear so delicious :)
the appropriate gift for Freyja, it amazing how Hayate realized that. She's miles away from home, and worse her home calls her traitor.
and the birthday song is nice.
Jul 17, 2016 3:30 PM
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Lots of cute scenes <3
but I couldn't get over the fact that there were just so many mistakes this episode?? Especially notable at the mall, Hayate's necklace was just missing in lots of the panels, and Mirage's hand looked really weird (and her phone when she was looking at her wishlist disappeared at on point while the list was still up??)
Was it always like this/have I just been super ignorant? x'D

Sad celebration imo, knowing Freyja's life span is so short ;___;
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Jul 17, 2016 4:06 PM
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Heart warming episode to celebrate freyja birthday and with this she already span her half life :(. I know it must be hurt for mirage to face both hayate and freyja getting along really well and that make her tears i felt bad for her too but still i ship hayate with freyja because i want her to have a happy ending. Lets hope for the change style of macross ending ship :')

I love the ending song and mikumo singing aww your voice is awesome as always
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Jul 17, 2016 8:48 PM
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I still support Freya and Hayate,too and I also don't want her to die and live to be with Hayate.
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kamiyagami said:
Heart warming episode to celebrate freyja birthday and with this she already span her half life :(. I know it must be hurt for mirage to face both hayate and freyja getting along really well and that make her tears i felt bad for her too but still i ship hayate with freyja because i want her to have a happy ending. Lets hope for the change style of macross ending ship :')

I love the ending song and mikumo singing aww your voice is awesome as always


I still support Freya and Hayate,too and I also don't want her to die and live to be with Hayate.
Jul 18, 2016 12:50 AM

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Dem Mirage ships be sending out their S.O.S.
Jul 18, 2016 1:21 AM

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the freyja x hayate feels were too strong in this one >///<
Jul 18, 2016 3:36 AM

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Meh, kind of filler episode, especially since its mostly focused on Freya and that never works in show's favor.

Farabeuf said:
The classic Macross birthday episode. Both Mynmay and Mylene had one and now it's Freyja's turn (cannot be sure if Ranka didn't have something similar too).

The triangle is on with Freyja in the lead for now. Mirage's tears at the end were sad to see.

Mikumo has plans for a couterattack involving the ruins. Let's see how that goes.


The very fact that the show expects the viewer to root for Mirage in this situation proves that Freya won't win.

I mean what happened in this episode, SDF Macross pulled too.
Jul 18, 2016 4:20 AM

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Freja looks gorgeous in the snow. Also... she didn't call him a perv, and this time he TOUCHED her rune. Hell, he was just as shocked as I was.
Jul 18, 2016 4:53 AM

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i like this episode, nice song with snow scene...Mirage cried but i still want Freyja to win!

Hayate's papa must have been involved in some serious shit, and Mikumo is still being mysterious as usual.
Jul 18, 2016 5:15 AM

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Hayate's father dropped the dimensional bomb on Windemere.
Can such a dream truely exist?
Jul 18, 2016 5:29 AM

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The way Freyja looked at Hayate was something else. Hoping on the Freyja train here myself but don't want to be disappointed again by another Macross. As for Mirage at least we got more episodes of her with Hayate spending some time but damn still don't make much sense in the earlier episodes.

That song though, another hit with Freyja as lead! For those interested Freyja's solo on GIRAFFE BLUES soon http://vgmdb.net/album/59144
Jul 18, 2016 7:08 AM

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Aww, Freyja was fine with Hayate (almost) touching her rune. And what a charming scene it was.
Jul 18, 2016 7:10 AM

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Freyja's ship getting bigger but it won't sail. Now Freyja already live thru half of her life, she will continue to sing till the end with the love lock in her heart and pass away. The other way around Mirage's ship getting smaller, but her love for Hayate will become even stronger(thats the reason for her tears). Mirage confirm win in the end, this is Macross after all.


yes Frejya already live thru half of her live, but, we don't know if the macross delta itself will cover the story until she dies. there's many possibility

the usual macross tradition is the Mirage route, but i will ship Frejya X Hayate, cause, Mirage X Hayate relationship(connection) is so far insignificant/less potent than Frejya X Hayate

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Aww, Freyja was fine with Hayate (almost) touching her rune. And what a charming scene it was.

It wasn't an almost touch. If you listen carefully, he definitely touched it.
Jul 18, 2016 7:37 AM
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this is a heartwarming episode, no action, just a relax time for delta platoon, for release tension before another battle happen.

the way freyja dressing as a poster girl reminded me about ranka lee hahaha

that ending is very touching, gg
Jul 18, 2016 7:54 AM
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Unlike macros f series the insert songs are much better, the theme songs especially the ops are not great, partly because both op felt disjointed in tune continuity in the short version heard.
Some of Fs insert songs are forgettable, but so far, overwhelming number of those in this series are great even heard for the first time.
Production quality apart from faces dropped in this episode, I guess they saving budget for next one and running out of time making it
Jul 18, 2016 9:31 AM
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Argyre said:
Aww, Freyja was fine with Hayate (almost) touching her rune. And what a charming scene it was.


He touched, and to be more accurate, Hayate stretched out his hand but it was Freyja who moved her Rune forward and touch Hayate's hand.
Jul 18, 2016 9:35 AM

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a birthday concentrated episode.. with the whole hayate and freyja development at the end..... Maybe a reveal in the next episode
Jul 18, 2016 10:16 AM
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OMG My feels, that ending, Mirage has to come back swinging hard after this.




I swear the triangle almost ended after this episode,

On a different note, Hayate's father was involved with the bombing of Windermere, whether he was trying to stop it or actually dropped it, I don't know yet.

Also scouting ruins will fail.
Jul 18, 2016 10:54 AM
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I kinda wonder if part of this episode was to push Mirage to realize her own feelings. It kinda seems like that near the end, after all Mirage in true Tsundere fashion is dishonest with herself about how she feels.
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Jul 18, 2016 11:05 AM

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LOOOL Mirage got burned this episode, haha.

I skipped most the cheesy stuff and found the episode ok. Must say, ~10min of plot and the other 13 is filler? Wasted potential? Maybe.

But that burn... So nice...
Jul 18, 2016 12:59 PM

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DmonHiro said:
Argyre said:
Aww, Freyja was fine with Hayate (almost) touching her rune. And what a charming scene it was.

It wasn't an almost touch. If you listen carefully, he definitely touched it.

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Argyre said:
Aww, Freyja was fine with Hayate (almost) touching her rune. And what a charming scene it was.

He touched, and to be more accurate, Hayate stretched out his hand but it was Freyja who moved her Rune forward and touch Hayate's hand.

Well-observed. In retrospect, that seems to be the case.
Jul 18, 2016 1:35 PM
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Meh, kind of filler episode, especially since its mostly focused on Freya and that never works in show's favor.

Farabeuf said:
The classic Macross birthday episode. Both Mynmay and Mylene had one and now it's Freyja's turn (cannot be sure if Ranka didn't have something similar too).

The triangle is on with Freyja in the lead for now. Mirage's tears at the end were sad to see.

Mikumo has plans for a couterattack involving the ruins. Let's see how that goes.


The very fact that the show expects the viewer to root for Mirage in this situation proves that Freya won't win.

I mean what happened in this episode, SDF Macross pulled too.


Could be but I wouldn't go so far as to say it 'proves that Freyja won't win'

I mean heck, maybe this is the time when they go and change the formula? Maybe Mirage makes a comeback in the next episodes only for Freyja to win at the end? It's implied that Hayate's dad was heavily involved in the incident which probably cost Freyka's parents their lives, so I guess there's going to be some tension there sooner rather than later.
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Jul 18, 2016 2:00 PM

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Farabeuf said:
Fai said:
Meh, kind of filler episode, especially since its mostly focused on Freya and that never works in show's favor.



The very fact that the show expects the viewer to root for Mirage in this situation proves that Freya won't win.

I mean what happened in this episode, SDF Macross pulled too.


Could be but I wouldn't go so far as to say it 'proves that Freyja won't win'

I mean heck, maybe this is the time when they go and change the formula? Maybe Mirage makes a comeback in the next episodes only for Freyja to win at the end? It's implied that Hayate's dad was heavily involved in the incident which probably cost Freyka's parents their lives, so I guess there's going to be some tension there sooner rather than later.


The thing is I never saw them as romantic.

Hayate and Freya give off more of a sibling kind of vibe. Its very easy for someone like Mirage to misinterpret and I am sure Freya might feel more than that, but this kind of set up so far is par the course for macross.

I mean this was almost identical albeit more childhood friendly version of the relatively famous Misa/Hikaru/Minmay scene. All that is missing is Mirage getting drunk next episode or something.
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The saddest thing is to be reminded that the windemere only live about 30 years since the beginning of the show until now (is like a subliminal message preparing us for the worst scenario), i feel Freyja carry a big death flag and the show end with a Mirage x Haya. But i still ship Freyja x Haya.
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Not having war at all was considered for this series. It would be weird to consider breaking from Macross tradition that hard while not considering a different love triangle outcome. I wish they'd been more bold in the end.

nDroae: The ending I've hoped to see is that one of the Windermereans wanted this war of conquest, and secretly caused it to happen (perhaps by using the Var on a NUNS pilot) to give Windermere a grievance. They're not great villains, but they're functional as far as I'm concerned. I'm here for the Singing to Save the World, and for the characters I'm fond of (I'm generally easy to please with character writing).

Arkady: Up until now I felt like the Windermerean conspiracy theory had a lot of credibility, but a few elements in the last few episodes have undermined that idea a bit, we'll see how it turns out!

nDroae: I just hope it's satisfying, whichever route it takes. If it was merely a rogue pilot, I feel like that would just be a downer. But if it was an order from NUNS, perhaps there could be a turning point where the desperate NUNS wants to use more dimensional weapons against Windermere or some other strategic target, and the heroes decide to stop them. That could be cool.
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What did you see beyond the rune Hayate? Deculture!

I think both Freyja and Mirage are really sweet. I wonder which route he will take in the end, many say Mirage will win because of tradition, but don't forget the triangle can be left in the open yet again.

Up to now the only TV Macross with a definite resolution of the love triangle is SDF. Macross 7 was left unresolved and Macross F as well (but F had the remake movies to get things done).
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What did you see beyond the rune Hayate? Deculture!

I think both Freyja and Mirage are really sweet. I wonder which route he will take in the end, many say Mirage will win because of tradition, but don't forget the triangle can be left in the open yet again.

Up to now the only TV Macross with a definite resolution of the love triangle is SDF. Macross 7 was left unresolved and Macross F as well (but F had the remake movies to get things done).


Both 7 and F were pretty much resolved tho?
Jul 18, 2016 6:32 PM
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do not worry Mirage you will win the ship in the end
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I think I'm having second thoughts....I understand what happened
now I'm so dumb I see it I want Freyja To be with Hayate but it's so obvious I mean I was expecting the tradition to change with the Macross series but mabye he doesn't want to its gonna be Mirage and I'm going to except that...😂..😃..😊...☺...🙂...😏...😐...😓...😟..😢...😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭 BUT I DON'T WANT TO!! It's not just because I like freyja it's because I really expected the tradition to be changed around I'm really disappointed in the show I mean why a lot of people expected the tradition to change and most people didn't but now I'm really dissatisfied with this anime it's boring now because we all know how it's going to turn out look even Mirage Fans knew from the beginning I don't plan on watching this show anymore Smh...
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The way Freyja looked at Hayate was something else.


Oh god that made my heart melt when I saw that look. When he gave her the snow for her birthday, that was like the ultimate gift that nothing can top. That is when you know the love flag has been firmly planted. Then Mirage tears hit me in the gut again as she realizes just how much she likes him and feels like she is losing out for real.

Roller coaster feels all around!
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Fai said:
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What did you see beyond the rune Hayate? Deculture!

I think both Freyja and Mirage are really sweet. I wonder which route he will take in the end, many say Mirage will win because of tradition, but don't forget the triangle can be left in the open yet again.

Up to now the only TV Macross with a definite resolution of the love triangle is SDF. Macross 7 was left unresolved and Macross F as well (but F had the remake movies to get things done).


Both 7 and F were pretty much resolved tho?


Well sure F was resolved but as I said it was only in the movies and in 7 it was only in the OVA we got kind of something.
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Fai said:
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What did you see beyond the rune Hayate? Deculture!

I think both Freyja and Mirage are really sweet. I wonder which route he will take in the end, many say Mirage will win because of tradition, but don't forget the triangle can be left in the open yet again.

Up to now the only TV Macross with a definite resolution of the love triangle is SDF. Macross 7 was left unresolved and Macross F as well (but F had the remake movies to get things done).


Both 7 and F were pretty much resolved tho?

7 was never resolved, but the love triangle was never as big of a focus there. Basara/Gamlin is the only pairing that makes sense anyway.
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Damn that was some Christmas special level shit this week
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Goosebumps Check!
The Feels Check!
Episode rated 5 :D

Death Flag Spotted.....

Macross Tradition Dictates

Better enjoy this day freya because hayate will never pick you! He's better off with mirage to spend his days till he gets old.Your dead in 15 years or in a few episodes.
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Better enjoy this day freya because hayate will never pick you! He's better off with mirage to spend his days till he gets old.Your dead in 15 years or in a few episodes.


Whats wrong with freyja, although we know she just have 15 years left that doesnt mean she cant deserve a happy love life right? I know the tradition on mirage side but i think freyja may have a chance too
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Whats wrong with freyja, although we know she just have 15 years left that doesnt mean she cant deserve a happy love life right? I know the tradition on mirage side but i think freyja may have a chance too


If ranka can't be happy why should freya be happy.
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Better enjoy this day freya because hayate will never pick you! He's better off with mirage to spend his days till he gets old.Your dead in 15 years or in a few episodes.


Whats wrong with freyja, although we know she just have 15 years left that doesnt mean she cant deserve a happy love life right? I know the tradition on mirage side but i think freyja may have a chance too


Why should discount Ranka win?
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Freja looks gorgeous in the snow. Also... she didn't call him a perv, and this time he TOUCHED her rune. Hell, he was just as shocked as I was.
He didn't just touch her rune, she let him touch. That's consent guys, she's hungry for the D.


I imagine this is how Windermereans mate.
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Oh god that made my heart melt when I saw that look. When he gave her the snow for her birthday, that was like the ultimate gift that nothing can top. That is when you know the love flag has been firmly planted. Then Mirage tears hit me in the gut again as she realizes just how much she likes him and feels like she is losing out for real.

Roller coaster feels all around!






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kamiyagami said:
Whats wrong with freyja, although we know she just have 15 years left that doesnt mean she cant deserve a happy love life right? I know the tradition on mirage side but i think freyja may have a chance too


If ranka can't be happy why should freya be happy.


Its a waiting game now on where they go with Mirage, hopeful Shoji won't make the same mistake again.
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Cute, moving ep, even though Freya won't win the triangle, given Macross tradition.

Also, yeah, given how previous installments have treated *mysterious hints*, I wouldn't be surprised, if Haya-Haya's dad had dropped the bomb.
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Its a waiting game now on where they go with Mirage, hopeful Shoji won't make the same mistake again.


There's on reason to have her win. The only reason F was ambiguous in the series was because they wanted to do movies. Even then even according to Kawamori, it was not really ambiguous who was the winner. Movie basically spelled out the same outcome.

Better, more mature and more likeable girl winning is Macross tradition.
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The saddest thing is to be reminded that the windemere only live about 30 years since the beginning of the show until now (is like a subliminal message preparing us for the worst scenario), i feel Freyja carry a big death flag and the show end with a Mirage x Haya. But i still ship Freyja x Haya.


Yep. really hoping that HayaHaya ended up with Freyja, cause seriously, even tho shes gonna live just for another 15 years.. she really needs the love. Tho, I think HayaHaya will feeling a great loss. He maybe even already know that by now.
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zurgboy00 said:
kamiyagami said:


Whats wrong with freyja, although we know she just have 15 years left that doesnt mean she cant deserve a happy love life right? I know the tradition on mirage side but i think freyja may have a chance too


If ranka can't be happy why should freya be happy.


I laughed like five minutes after this...
Love triangles splits people in those that ship one thing and those that ship the other. This is the Mirage/Freyja with Hayate. Well, I kind of understand you...

Besides....


THIS EPISODE MADE ME REMEMBER WHY I AM SHIPPING FREYJA X HAYAHAYA!!

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