Joker Game Episode 2 Discussion

pteroz said:
one detail I don't understand:
Yuki's goal was taking some money from the army,right?
His plan was to put some pressure on the colonel Colonel by countering his plans. Yuki now got all the glory on the Gordon case. He add through Sakuma he will "keep the silent about this case". But is it really enough to extort money with this?
The real blackmail is Muto telling confidential things to geishas. But this argument come from Sakuma's own investigation. Yuki never planned to let Muto think he was tracked.
Am I overthinking ? Plz tell me >_<

Lelouch0202 said:
Great episode, They nailed the suspesne during the Raid,

Sakuma's investigation was awesome as well, Yuki is a real boss.
Looking forward to next week's episode.

What Yuuki hoped to find was some kind of scoop that he could use to blackmail the Colonel into sending more funding towards the D Agency.
By gaining Glory through the success in the raid I assume Yuuki gets a better standing among his superiors and hence more money.

You are right though, Yuuki didn't intend to reveal the fact that he had been shadowing Muto. He only wanted to say that he would keep quiet about the situation indirectly hinting that he knew he failed the Raid and that he would expect Muto to cooperate.
However since Sakuma returned the case to him while saying these words and he also added the fact that Revealing Info is a criminal offence. It gave much more weight to Yuuki's words as the only logical conclusion Muto can make at the point is that Yuuki has a full scoop on him and thus leaves him no choice but to cooperate.

I suppose you could say that Sakuma's investigation helped Yuuki's blackmail become even stronger or maybe I'm just overthinking as well XD

terrablu2003 said:
WOW! Surprisingly the second episode of this anime, can make me make peace with it, I do not know if it's my fault, but everything is explained in the narrative, only now it is clear to me, as the fact of not having realized that the protagonist Sakuma, He was not part of the agency D. Now I can say I appreciate this anime series, than before.

Farabeuf said:
It seems that the game will be a much between themselves (domestic power struggles) as it will be with foreign powers.

KaedeKyl9 said:


in Japan, what the chance does the person get Salmonella? almost non existent. yeah, doesnt mean impossible but its quite common people eating raw eggs. people sitll do that nowadays. Salmonella control is quite strong there.
its like you were afraid about salmonella or that your country is happening a lot.

PrinceKirameki said:
Some people really need to take extra history lessons. There's no war propaganda in this show, the creators are only trying to accurately recreate the real situation, even though it may be uncomfortable to watch! If you want to see some real war propaganda, go watch some Russian movies about WWII or something.

I liked this episode more than the first one, I'm glad that Sakuma didn't commit seppuku and got some character development already.

xaos12 said:
This was probably the best moment from the entire episode:-




Sakuma is standing on the pure, Sakura-colored and honorable soldier side, whereas the Colonel is walking well into a gritty, comparatively ugly city of spies. By the end of the scene, sakuma stands on the borderline between the worlds, and ultimately, the soldiers walk past sakuma, maybe implying that he left those ideals to pass by.

CrotakuShinobi said:
For a moment I really thought he was gonna kill himself

Nayrael said:


You wouldn't make a good spy then :P The whole episode mocked it, though subtly. The very reason that the American spy almost got away was because the Japanese soldiers saw their country through such romantic goggles and thus did not even consider "desecrating" the Imperial portrait (or the fact that an American would not give a BLEEP about such symbols). Like in the first episode, the Japanese soldiers are presented as brainwashed... and stupid.

In other words, the presentation of Japanese society here is the Joker Game: if you think the Anime glorifies this society, than you are seeing a Poker Game. But if you pay a little more attention, you will realize that this is actually a joker Game. Like a spy, the author criticizes this era of Japanese history subtly, rather than by having his characters criticize it directly (it isn't really that subtle tbh so I'm surprised that so many people see "Poker" here).
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xaos12 said:
This was probably the best moment from the entire episode:-

*image clipped because post is already long enough*


Sakuma is standing on the pure, Sakura-colored and honorable soldier side, whereas the Colonel is walking well into a gritty, comparatively ugly city of spies. By the end of the scene, sakuma stands on the borderline between the worlds, and ultimately, the soldiers walk past sakuma, maybe implying that he left those ideals to pass by.

littlefuji said:

You quoted just because of the salmonella thing? Chill man, lol.
Then again the Japs eat raw fish a lot, so I doubt they care. <-- I like raw fish, doesn't mean I shouldn't be aware of potential pathogens.
Do you think they have great salmonella control in 1937?

littlefuji said:
Watching Colonel Mutou ingesting raw egg again and again is pretty disgusting. Is he trying to contract salmonella?

Cishet said:
I saw abs. 10/10 AOTY.

Being serious, I like the MC now. A-and the fact he's hot has nothing to do with it!

Edit: I forgot to say this, but Sakuma's Engrish broke all the atmosphere for me.

HenchmanForM said:
8/10 for this ep... those abs are not influencing my veredict

Ckan said:
Between a angry-buffoon Colonel, snide swipes at the Kempeitai's competency and intelligence, and a straight-laced but 'misled' soldier, we perhaps get a disassociating of 'good' Japan (the capable unnationalistic protagonists) from the 'bad' misguided elements of the military.

Banshee-IV said:


I don't see why this is a bad thing.

Banshee-IV said:
It's almost as if anything short of the message "Everything about Imperial Japan was pure evil" will not be satisfactory.

Banshee-IV said:
The thing is, even the most evil regimes in history did good things. So it is not a stretch to say that the Shouwa-era does indeed have "good" Japan and "bad" Japan. Here's an example: the Imperial Japanese protected Jews from Nazi Germany when Hitler demanded that Japan hand over their Jewish population for extermination. Imperial Japanese diplomats like Chiune Sugihara sacrificed their careers to try and evacuate as many Jews as possible out of Europe and away from the Nazi's gas chambers.

The same thing goes for Nazi Germany. A Nazi businessman named John Rabe saved over 200,000 Chinese people from being slaughtered by the Imperial Japanese Army by declaring the German concessions in China "safe zones" for all refugees. He begged Hitler to contact the Japanese government and have them scale down their invasion of China but was ignored. After World War II was over, Rabe lived his life in poverty but was kept alive by shipments of rice sent to him by the very Chinese citizens whose lives he had saved.

I had family members who fought in the Nationalist Chinese army against the Japanese invasion, and I have studied East Asian history for several years. With that said, I am trying to look at things from a dispassionate, outside observer point of view. If Joker Game were to magically go into an all-out "yes, Imperial Japan was total evil evil evil" message, I would seriously lose a lot of respect for the show.

Smudy said:
That was fantastic, wow.

Sakuma turned badass in the time of one episode! Yuuki is a huge boss :D

Trollsenpai said:
Something has been bothering me about this episode, if being suspected means the end for a spy, as the chief kept saying on episode 1, then why didn't that american spy get rid of the evidence once the first unit came to search his home and didn't find them, this only seems to me as a plot convenience in order to end the first episode on a cliffhanger and stop the MC from killing himself on the next one, some will say that the spy was just not that good, but then again, it's war time, and no country would send an incompetent spy of this caliber, I dislike this kind of lazy writing, but overall I liked the second half of the episode, I hope it gets better in the upcoming ones

DragonSlayer_19 said:


he didn't anticipate they'd search his house again within just a few days + there is no better place to hide it than at the back of the portrait because no real MP would dare touch it ( in other words the mp can search every inch of the house except the portrait so the portarait is the best place ) gordon knew that no matter how many times they come and search they won't find it cause each time the real mp won't dare to touch the portrait . But this didn't happen when they sent imposter mp ( aka the trained spies ) who knew that it would possibly be behind the portrait but were just waiting for sakuma to realize it and give them the command.

Trollsenpai said:
Yes I figured out that much, but remember how that chief guy with the cane & glove (Fk I forgot his name) kept on saying on episode 1 that if a spy is suspected it's the end for him, so I don't believe that the american spy dude would let the evidence there because he thinks they will not come search again, one has got to be prepared for the worse, after he was suspected it's only natural for him to take even more precaution, but keeping it on the same hiding place in his home ? that's a bit dumb, then again I'm no spy expert so I wouldn't know