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Mar 4, 2016 10:03 AM
#51
Nico- said: TheBrainintheJar said: People are obsessed with 'elitists' because many people are insecure about their opinions. They can't explain them very well and they don't know much about logic. So when someone who comes off as 'intellectual' arrives (Sometimes legitimately, sometimes not) it's easier to just write them off as 'elitist'. Remember - You don't have to develop deep thinking if you're always sure you're right, and dismiss everyone who disagrees with you with ad hominem? No. Most of the time people act "obsessed" is because they are mocked beforehand, are reminded that they are shitty human beings for liking certain anime, and are even being called names without warning from these people. This fits what an elitist entails, a person with a high superiority complex. Taste in anime and intellect are irrelevant when it comes to personifying an elitist. It's simply someone who feels elite to others, and simply will not debate without resorting to dismissal of alternative opinions. They include both trolls and people who take trolling limits higher than they should be. The point being made is that these elitists barely even exist. Nevermind the fact that most people don't even know what an elitist is (Oh, you like LogH? You're an elitist then), these elitists are simply not nearly prolific as what everyone makes them out to be. I've rarely came across actual elitists, yet with the amount of threads on AD bashing them you'd think they were running the place. These people calling everyone out as being elitists aren't being mocked and insulted beforehand in most cases. They just can't handle criticism and let their fan boy/girl bias take over. |
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Mar 4, 2016 10:04 AM
#52
GesuYarou said: So, basically, like the "weeaboo hunters" who accuse all sub fans of being weeaboos and will use tremendous amounts of ad hominem to attack anybody who doesn't like dubbed Chinese cartoons?Comic_Sans said: GesuYarou said: Comic_Sans said: Tenshi_Shura said: Except that I was being 100 % honest all the time and wasn't trying to hide or deny the fact that I am a hateful piece of shitHow ironic of you to make a thread concerning obsessive hate when you were so passionately hating Tokyo Ghoul before. Those guys have as much of a right to be hateful pieces of shit as you do. Just wanted to point that out.. I'm just pointing out the fact that they're making a lot of noise over a very tiny group of people and are doing the exact same thing as the elitists (a.k.a. "hating because it's cool to do so") I have talked to some of those anti-elitist and apparently they all think they're actually 'fighting for a cause' but what they're really doing throwing in more shit into the clog. So the end result is basically more shit. Oh boy |
Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
Mar 4, 2016 10:06 AM
#53
Comic_Sans said: GesuYarou said: So, basically, like the "weeaboo hunters" who accuse all sub fans of being weeaboos and will use tremendous amounts of ad hominem to attack anybody who doesn't like dubbed Chinese cartoons?Comic_Sans said: GesuYarou said: Of course they do, I am an advocate of democracy and freedom of speech so I wouldn't try to take away their right to voice their opinion on elitists (*cough cough* unlike certain anti piracy moralists *cough cough)Comic_Sans said: Tenshi_Shura said: Except that I was being 100 % honest all the time and wasn't trying to hide or deny the fact that I am a hateful piece of shitHow ironic of you to make a thread concerning obsessive hate when you were so passionately hating Tokyo Ghoul before. Those guys have as much of a right to be hateful pieces of shit as you do. Just wanted to point that out.. I'm just pointing out the fact that they're making a lot of noise over a very tiny group of people and are doing the exact same thing as the elitists (a.k.a. "hating because it's cool to do so") I have talked to some of those anti-elitist and apparently they all think they're actually 'fighting for a cause' but what they're really doing throwing in more shit into the clog. So the end result is basically more shit. Oh boy but dubs sucks. especially if they localize the chinese cartoon. remember 4Devil aka 4kids? Pepperidge Farm remembers |
"Be who you are and say what you mean, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind" - Dr. Seuss |
Mar 4, 2016 10:10 AM
#54
Xykko said: I totally agree mate, I was talking about aggressive dub elitistsComic_Sans said: GesuYarou said: Comic_Sans said: GesuYarou said: Of course they do, I am an advocate of democracy and freedom of speech so I wouldn't try to take away their right to voice their opinion on elitists (*cough cough* unlike certain anti piracy moralists *cough cough)Comic_Sans said: Tenshi_Shura said: Except that I was being 100 % honest all the time and wasn't trying to hide or deny the fact that I am a hateful piece of shitHow ironic of you to make a thread concerning obsessive hate when you were so passionately hating Tokyo Ghoul before. Those guys have as much of a right to be hateful pieces of shit as you do. Just wanted to point that out.. I'm just pointing out the fact that they're making a lot of noise over a very tiny group of people and are doing the exact same thing as the elitists (a.k.a. "hating because it's cool to do so") I have talked to some of those anti-elitist and apparently they all think they're actually 'fighting for a cause' but what they're really doing throwing in more shit into the clog. So the end result is basically more shit. Oh boy but dubs sucks. especially if they localize the chinese cartoon. remember 4Devil aka 4kids? Pepperidge Farm remembers I'm not from an English speaking country and I didn't watch anime when I was a kid so luckily enough I don't have any 4kids related childhood memories But I'm sure it was really hard for you |
Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
Mar 4, 2016 10:10 AM
#55
IT'S TIME TO STOP Seriously though, elitists and casuals are equally bad you can see them bashing each other constantly over the dumbest things it gets old |
Mar 4, 2016 10:11 AM
#56
People need to understand that just because someone criticize your favorite anime doesn't mean he or she is elitist. But then again, anime community is never a smart community at all. Anime forum has always been cancerous whether it's someone trying to force their opinion down your throat or people getting defensive when someone criticize their favorite anime. |
ZapredonMar 4, 2016 10:17 AM
But it's important to remember that a movie review is subjective;it only gives you one person's opinion. http://www.classzone.com/books/lnetwork_gr08/page_build.cfm?content=analyz_media&ch=30 It doesn't matter if you like LoGH,Monster etc.If you are a jobless or college/school dropout living in your mom basement, you are still an unintelligent loser. Taste in anime does not make you a better person.If elitist don't exist, casual pleb and shit taste also don't exist. |
Mar 4, 2016 10:12 AM
#57
Comic_Sans said: If the "weeaboo hunters" really exist , then I can see them being crucified by MAL. So, basically, like the "weeaboo hunters" who accuse all sub fans of being weeaboos and will use tremendous amounts of ad hominem to attack anybody who doesn't like dubbed Chinese cartoons? Oh boy I often see the sub purists ( like me ) saying 👎 to the dub elitist. The opposite is quite rare on MAL |
Mar 4, 2016 10:12 AM
#58
Comic_Sans said: Xykko said: I agree mateComic_Sans said: GesuYarou said: So, basically, like the "weeaboo hunters" who accuse all sub fans of being weeaboos and will use tremendous amounts of ad hominem to attack anybody who doesn't like dubbed Chinese cartoons?Comic_Sans said: GesuYarou said: Of course they do, I am an advocate of democracy and freedom of speech so I wouldn't try to take away their right to voice their opinion on elitists (*cough cough* unlike certain anti piracy moralists *cough cough)Comic_Sans said: Tenshi_Shura said: Except that I was being 100 % honest all the time and wasn't trying to hide or deny the fact that I am a hateful piece of shitHow ironic of you to make a thread concerning obsessive hate when you were so passionately hating Tokyo Ghoul before. Those guys have as much of a right to be hateful pieces of shit as you do. Just wanted to point that out.. I'm just pointing out the fact that they're making a lot of noise over a very tiny group of people and are doing the exact same thing as the elitists (a.k.a. "hating because it's cool to do so") I have talked to some of those anti-elitist and apparently they all think they're actually 'fighting for a cause' but what they're really doing throwing in more shit into the clog. So the end result is basically more shit. Oh boy but dubs sucks. especially if they localize the chinese cartoon. remember 4Devil aka 4kids? Pepperidge Farm remembers I'm not from an English speaking country and I didn't watch anime when I was a kid so luckily enough I don't have any 4kids related childhood memories But I'm sure it was really hard for you i'm not american either, but my country (portugal) bought lot of anime from 4kids like yu gi oh and pokemon, so it was preety horrible. plus we have one of the most awful sailor moon dubs in the world. |
"Be who you are and say what you mean, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind" - Dr. Seuss |
Mar 4, 2016 10:14 AM
#59
Sometimes these two categories come across the same things. Like anime taste, opinions etc... And yeah, if not always, then most of the times, both of them are annoying with what they do or how they do something |
PokitaruMar 4, 2016 10:20 AM
Mar 4, 2016 10:18 AM
#60
They don't want it to all come tumbling down, do you blame them? |
Mar 4, 2016 10:19 AM
#61
No opinion on elitists, I have never called anyone that One gripe I have on 'hipsters' I have on this board is that the so called 'mainstream' anime listed here are not actually mainstream. Big three and DB then yeah they are mainstream but quite a lot of times calling the franchises considered 'mainstream' here would be like calling AnCo mainstream because they are ubiquitous on online boards. Sometimes series that half-flopped there would be hyped here and be suddenly named mainstream. Thus I discount any 'hipster' talk here too...in a sense we are all hipsters |
Mar 4, 2016 10:21 AM
#62
This reminds me of Plato's allegory of the cave. The man goes out and see the sun and learns all sorts of new things. He goes back to bring the knowledge to the cave dwellers and then shun and attempt to kill him. Anime fans are scared of themselves, and a lot of them are really stupid and can't articulate themselves without resorting to personal attacks. |
Mar 4, 2016 10:23 AM
#63
Comic_Sans said: _Esper_ said: Oh, trust me, I don't like actual elitists eitherTo make it short, this is a treat where elitist feel but-hurt.. End of the story. XD It just pisses me off when only one side gets a lot of backlash although the other side is being just as dumb (kind of like left and right wing extremists here in Sweden – people condemn right wing violence all the time while left wing extremists like Sebbe Staxx are practically being worshipped by Swedish media) Same here. I found elitists to more damaging than casuals in my eyes. Sure the casuals can love stuff like SAO and TG I just personaly ingore them because starting a argument with them is cringing experience. |
Mar 4, 2016 10:25 AM
#64
Comic_Sans said: GesuYarou said: So, basically, like the "weeaboo hunters" who accuse all sub fans of being weeaboos and will use tremendous amounts of ad hominem to attack anybody who doesn't like dubbed Chinese cartoons?Comic_Sans said: GesuYarou said: Of course they do, I am an advocate of democracy and freedom of speech so I wouldn't try to take away their right to voice their opinion on elitists (*cough cough* unlike certain anti piracy moralists *cough cough)Comic_Sans said: Tenshi_Shura said: Except that I was being 100 % honest all the time and wasn't trying to hide or deny the fact that I am a hateful piece of shitHow ironic of you to make a thread concerning obsessive hate when you were so passionately hating Tokyo Ghoul before. Those guys have as much of a right to be hateful pieces of shit as you do. Just wanted to point that out.. I'm just pointing out the fact that they're making a lot of noise over a very tiny group of people and are doing the exact same thing as the elitists (a.k.a. "hating because it's cool to do so") I have talked to some of those anti-elitist and apparently they all think they're actually 'fighting for a cause' but what they're really doing throwing in more shit into the clog. So the end result is basically more shit. Oh boy Oh yeah, forgot about those idiots. Is there anyone else we should add? Anyone else we left out? Oh yeah, throw retrofags in there as well. The anime community needs a lot of cleaning up. The place is full of people who take Chinese cartoons way too seriously.... IT'S TIME TO STOP! |
Mar 4, 2016 10:32 AM
#65
Z-Dante said: Yeah, weeaboo hunters are more common in the comment section of Youtube (then again all kinds of cancer are more common in that hellhole)Comic_Sans said: If the "weeaboo hunters" really exist , then I can see them being crucified by MAL. So, basically, like the "weeaboo hunters" who accuse all sub fans of being weeaboos and will use tremendous amounts of ad hominem to attack anybody who doesn't like dubbed Chinese cartoons? Oh boy I often see the sub purists ( like me ) saying 👎 to the dub elitist. The opposite is quite rare on MAL I haven't seen as many weeaboo hunters on MAL but they do exist and a lot of dub fans seem to have certain "weeaboo hunter" features Xykko said: I feel you broComic_Sans said: Xykko said: Comic_Sans said: GesuYarou said: So, basically, like the "weeaboo hunters" who accuse all sub fans of being weeaboos and will use tremendous amounts of ad hominem to attack anybody who doesn't like dubbed Chinese cartoons?Comic_Sans said: GesuYarou said: Of course they do, I am an advocate of democracy and freedom of speech so I wouldn't try to take away their right to voice their opinion on elitists (*cough cough* unlike certain anti piracy moralists *cough cough)Comic_Sans said: Tenshi_Shura said: Except that I was being 100 % honest all the time and wasn't trying to hide or deny the fact that I am a hateful piece of shitHow ironic of you to make a thread concerning obsessive hate when you were so passionately hating Tokyo Ghoul before. Those guys have as much of a right to be hateful pieces of shit as you do. Just wanted to point that out.. I'm just pointing out the fact that they're making a lot of noise over a very tiny group of people and are doing the exact same thing as the elitists (a.k.a. "hating because it's cool to do so") I have talked to some of those anti-elitist and apparently they all think they're actually 'fighting for a cause' but what they're really doing throwing in more shit into the clog. So the end result is basically more shit. Oh boy but dubs sucks. especially if they localize the chinese cartoon. remember 4Devil aka 4kids? Pepperidge Farm remembers But I'm sure it was really hard for you i'm not american either, but my country (portugal) bought lot of anime from 4kids like yu gi oh and pokemon, so it was preety horrible. plus we have one of the most awful sailor moon dubs in the world. Candy said: They don't want it to all come tumbling down, do you blame them? TheCodeTrigger said: I actually get along better with elitists because I usually have more in common with themwhen it comes to taste than with casuals but yeah both sides suckComic_Sans said: _Esper_ said: To make it short, this is a treat where elitist feel but-hurt.. End of the story. XD It just pisses me off when only one side gets a lot of backlash although the other side is being just as dumb (kind of like left and right wing extremists here in Sweden – people condemn right wing violence all the time while left wing extremists like Sebbe Staxx are practically being worshipped by Swedish media) Same here. I found elitists to more damaging than casuals in my eyes. Sure the casuals can love stuff like SAO and TG I just personaly ingore them because starting a argument with them is cringing experience. GesuYarou said: Oh yeah, forgot about those idiots. Is there anyone else we should add? Anyone else we left out? Oh yeah, throw retrofags in there as well. The anime community needs a lot of cleaning up. The place is full of people who take Chinese cartoons way too seriously.... IT'S TIME TO STOP! |
Comic_SansMar 4, 2016 10:36 AM
Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
Mar 4, 2016 10:35 AM
#66
TheBrainintheJar said: Remember - You don't have to develop deep thinking if you're always sure you're right, and dismiss everyone who disagrees with you with ad hominem? Why do you want to be sure you're always right in the first place? This is actually the root cause of the problem. When a person thinks that they can do no wrong but then they are proven otherwise, logic goes for a toss and ad hominem responses are deployed. |
Mar 4, 2016 10:44 AM
#67
The problem actually starts when we take anime way to serious, like being over the top, it's good to have critical thinking, pointing what is bad while pointing the good things aswell, but when we cross that line it's when we should stop the discussion and just enjoy what we like and not care much about the community on the internet. |
BenXBlack93Mar 4, 2016 11:00 AM
Mar 4, 2016 10:48 AM
#68
Just lazy people trying to argue about the most stupid things. Comic_Sans said: Hilarious similethe only fanbases where I've encountered this kind of mindset more than once or twice in a blue moon are the Twilight fanbase and Justin Bieber + boyband fanbases – a.k.a. fanbases which largely consist of teenage girls. |
Mar 4, 2016 10:52 AM
#69
Lordwen said: I know rightJust lazy people trying to argue about the most stupid things. Comic_Sans said: Hilarious similethe only fanbases where I've encountered this kind of mindset more than once or twice in a blue moon are the Twilight fanbase and Justin Bieber + boyband fanbases – a.k.a. fanbases which largely consist of teenage girls. That's how horrible it is |
Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
Mar 4, 2016 11:09 AM
#70
There are various reasons for it. I know a guy who automatically hates anything popular because he wants to be different; he has based his entire personality off of it and it's really sad. I get hating these people and since I know him in person, I can safely say guys like that truly do exist. But then there are people who think shitting on their favorite anime is a personal attack on their tastes. Those get butthurt pretty easily and screaming "Elitist!" is the only defense they can come up with. |
Mar 4, 2016 11:22 AM
#71
This forum has been misusing elitism for so damn long, it's just a buzzword at this point. |
Mar 4, 2016 11:59 AM
#72
Illyricus said: People first have to know the meaning of the word elitist before using it so lightly. An elitist is someone who believes that he/she is superior to others because of his/her superior taste. It doesn't have nothing to do with like animes like LOTGH or Ping-Pong or with hate popular animes (one person can hate a popular anime like SAO, but like another popular work like AoT). Also, elitism is NOT always related to like series like LOTGH, there can be elitistism related to who has a better way to watch anime (happened in 4chan) or even elitists who likes SAO (picking a random anime) and think they are superior to other people because they like it. Remember kids, elitism is not related to tastes, but to behavior. Just happens that some elitist likes some kind of animes, who is the reason why the word is related to the series mentioned above. Elitism isn't really related with behavior, but with believes. What has to do with behavior is being a Snob, that is an elitist that shows his superiority complex, but shitting on the "inferior". |
Mar 4, 2016 12:04 PM
#73
Irony doesn't even begin to describe some of the responses in this thread. "Hurr anime community full of stupid people and sheep. Not me though! I'm different!" |
Mar 4, 2016 12:09 PM
#74
Ratohnhaketon said: Irony doesn't even begin to describe some of the responses in this thread. "Hurr anime community full of stupid people and sheep. Not me though! I'm different!" Yes... about that, I kinda feel that people doesn't actually realize they're actually acting like those "elitist" or "hipsters". I also think that if they do that is to be "different" (at the end they're not) but you know... when you're in front of a crowd who wants it, being the only one against it might give you the feel you're special and have a true identity. Which is pretty dumb though. |
Mar 4, 2016 12:18 PM
#75
Ratohnhaketon said: Irony doesn't even begin to describe some of the responses in this thread. "Hurr anime community full of stupid people and sheep. Not me though! I'm different!" You are damn right i am different. I have big hands. |
Mar 4, 2016 12:41 PM
#76
Oh here we go again! People, every opinion is valid! Just because the majority agree with your OPINION does not make you right, and just because the majority disagrees with you does make your OPINION wrong. Elitists this. Elitists that. Who really gives a damn? Everyone feels the way they feel, and there is no sense arguing with someone about their OPINIONS! Sure, discuss it if you want, but blame nobody but yourself if you get your feelings hurt. I usually do not comment on anime I hate unless someone makes a thread about it specifically asking me WHY I hate it. Then, they are just asking to get their favorites bashed. Why? Because I could not give a flying piglet about something I do not like, and if people want to fangirl over a crappy anime, that is their prerogative. None of my business. And, if I like an anime, I do not praise it unless someone asks me WHY I like it, but I do give constructive criticism. Me, I have gotten into countless arguments on this site and others cause someone did not LIKE my OPINION. Like I care. I'm still going to say whatever I want if that's how I feel. Main Point: People throw around the word elitist to make themselves feel better about their own opinions being criticized. Because, there must be something wrong with THEM if they do not like what I like. And, "elitists" do the same thing. In the end, you like what you like. Everyone has a right to say how they feel about whatever it is. Get over it. |
Mar 4, 2016 12:49 PM
#77
PoeticJustice said: And Nicolas Cage looks like he's about to deep throat my soul. Okay you pass.Ratohnhaketon said: Irony doesn't even begin to describe some of the responses in this thread. "Hurr anime community full of stupid people and sheep. Not me though! I'm different!" You are damn right i am different. I have big hands. @Raiichi - The main thing to consider is that the people who are actually serious about it won't ever fit the word to the T. No doubt there are people who do it jokingly, hell you should never take me completely seriously. Except when I am. Terms like elitist and hipster have evolved into hyperbole, but the people who exhibit such traits aren't going to be a complete embodiment of them. |
Mar 4, 2016 1:17 PM
#78
What a clusterfuck of a thread. Full of hypocrites all over. |
Mar 4, 2016 3:01 PM
#79
keragamming said: There's no clusterfuckingWhat a clusterfuck of a thread. Full of hypocrites all over. Just me stating the truth and the facts |
Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
Mar 4, 2016 3:11 PM
#80
I'll say this. I've never had an "elitist" send me hate messages, bait me on my profile, and bait me in threads for having shigatsu in my favorites or liking any other "pleb" series. I only see these threads created by people who consider themselves casuals or moe fans. Also, I see people who say "well they only hate this anime because it's popular". Honestly, let them hate, you can't change that. Besides, more often than not, the people who claim someone hates a series for being "popular" is just taking the other person's statement out of context. Why can't yall just leave each other alone and let people like what they like, hate what they hate, and rate however they want to rate. merryfistmas said: I have yet to see a fan of the shows typically labeled as "elitist" (That's not what elitist means btw) go out of their way to piss on others' taste due to it not being "intellectual" enough. I have however, seen way too much of the opposite, MAL treats elitism as some boogie man that only likes slow paced and "boring" shows, but in reality, most people are just insecure about their taste. people claim it happens, but it doesn't. Everyone makes jokes about what "shit taste" is (even so called plebs), but you don't constantly see fans of these series go to everyone else and say "you didn't like it? wow you must be stupid. what the fuck is wrong with you dumbass?". |
KonaKoffeeMar 4, 2016 3:25 PM
Mar 4, 2016 4:13 PM
#81
KonaKoffee4 said: I'll say this. I've never had an "elitist" send me hate messages, bait me on my profile, and bait me in threads for having shigatsu in my favorites or liking any other "pleb" series. I only see these threads created by people who consider themselves casuals or moe fans. Also, I see people who say "well they only hate this anime because it's popular". Honestly, let them hate, you can't change that. Besides, more often than not, the people who claim someone hates a series for being "popular" is just taking the other person's statement out of context. Why can't yall just leave each other alone and let people like what they like, hate what they hate, and rate however they want to rate. merryfistmas said: I have yet to see a fan of the shows typically labeled as "elitist" (That's not what elitist means btw) go out of their way to piss on others' taste due to it not being "intellectual" enough. I have however, seen way too much of the opposite, MAL treats elitism as some boogie man that only likes slow paced and "boring" shows, but in reality, most people are just insecure about their taste. people claim it happens, but it doesn't. Everyone makes jokes about what "shit taste" is (even so called plebs), but you don't constantly see fans of these series go to everyone else and say "you didn't like it? wow you must be stupid. what the fuck is wrong with you dumbass?". Shigatsu is trash and I hate L fite me |
Mar 4, 2016 5:01 PM
#82
hoopla123 said: KonaKoffee4 said: I'll say this. I've never had an "elitist" send me hate messages, bait me on my profile, and bait me in threads for having shigatsu in my favorites or liking any other "pleb" series. I only see these threads created by people who consider themselves casuals or moe fans. Also, I see people who say "well they only hate this anime because it's popular". Honestly, let them hate, you can't change that. Besides, more often than not, the people who claim someone hates a series for being "popular" is just taking the other person's statement out of context. Why can't yall just leave each other alone and let people like what they like, hate what they hate, and rate however they want to rate. merryfistmas said: I have yet to see a fan of the shows typically labeled as "elitist" (That's not what elitist means btw) go out of their way to piss on others' taste due to it not being "intellectual" enough. I have however, seen way too much of the opposite, MAL treats elitism as some boogie man that only likes slow paced and "boring" shows, but in reality, most people are just insecure about their taste. people claim it happens, but it doesn't. Everyone makes jokes about what "shit taste" is (even so called plebs), but you don't constantly see fans of these series go to everyone else and say "you didn't like it? wow you must be stupid. what the fuck is wrong with you dumbass?". Shigatsu is trash and I hate L fite me You may hate L, but your waifu doesn't :D And whatever anime she's in is trash! IDK which one, but whatever it is...it sucks. |
Mar 4, 2016 5:50 PM
#83
KonaKoffee4 said: hoopla123 said: KonaKoffee4 said: I'll say this. I've never had an "elitist" send me hate messages, bait me on my profile, and bait me in threads for having shigatsu in my favorites or liking any other "pleb" series. I only see these threads created by people who consider themselves casuals or moe fans. Also, I see people who say "well they only hate this anime because it's popular". Honestly, let them hate, you can't change that. Besides, more often than not, the people who claim someone hates a series for being "popular" is just taking the other person's statement out of context. Why can't yall just leave each other alone and let people like what they like, hate what they hate, and rate however they want to rate. merryfistmas said: I have yet to see a fan of the shows typically labeled as "elitist" (That's not what elitist means btw) go out of their way to piss on others' taste due to it not being "intellectual" enough. I have however, seen way too much of the opposite, MAL treats elitism as some boogie man that only likes slow paced and "boring" shows, but in reality, most people are just insecure about their taste. people claim it happens, but it doesn't. Everyone makes jokes about what "shit taste" is (even so called plebs), but you don't constantly see fans of these series go to everyone else and say "you didn't like it? wow you must be stupid. what the fuck is wrong with you dumbass?". Shigatsu is trash and I hate L fite me You may hate L, but your waifu doesn't :D And whatever anime she's in is trash! IDK which one, but whatever it is...it sucks. You're right. The LN is much better than the anime |
Mar 4, 2016 11:10 PM
#84
Robiiii said: But i think i even know the users ur talking bout. Im pretty sure he/she will aware of it too once he/she sees this. XD Did you call me? Yes, I've seen enough of them elitists. They keep claiming their theory of what makes an anime good and "quality" matters more than the show actually speaking about things that are relevant to the audience. They keep getting annoyed at shows breaking their rules of good writing, yet no one of them complains about all the shows breaking the laws of physics. I like them laws of physics a lot more, damnit! _Esper_ said: So.. HOW BIG IS YOUR EGO? I'd write about my ego, but the letters won't fit my monitor. I'm smarter than ordinary people and I know it. Wensbane said: - If you dislike any of the Top 100 anime, you're a hipster. It's one thing to dislike a show (all of us dislike whole genres, I'm sure), but actively hating them is a different matter altogether. Wensbane said: I really would love to see what this forum would be like, if no one ever said anything negative about any work of fiction. Just a full-on constant circlejerk of positive thinking and pollyannaism. It would be glorious. Myself, I wish for more constructive discussion, not dumb hatred. TheBrainintheJar said: People are obsessed with 'elitists' because many people are insecure about their opinions. They can't explain them very well and they don't know much about logic. So when someone who comes off as 'intellectual' arrives (Sometimes legitimately, sometimes not) it's easier to just write them off as 'elitist'. I haven't ever seen elitists come about as intellectual. I've seen a few come about as ivory tower theorists, though. Comic_Sans said: I'm just pointing out the fact that they're making a lot of noise over a very tiny group of people and are doing the exact same thing as the elitists (a.k.a. "hating because it's cool to do so") Hatred brings about hatred. We can't just stop by ourselves. Comic_Sans said: That's politics for you - it's not fair by definition.It just pisses me off when only one side gets a lot of backlash although the other side is being just as dumb (kind of like left and right wing extremists here in Sweden – people condemn right wing violence all the time while left wing extremists like Sebbe Staxx are practically being worshipped by Swedish media) Candy said: They don't want it to all come tumbling down, do you blame them? Basically, this. I wouldn't want anime to start catering to elitists and their desires for depth and perfection. In fact, I tend to dislike depth - if the author wants to say something, he should just do so; if the character is meant to be a hero, let him be a hero, he doesn't need no fucking flaws. And no matter how much anime authors hammer out anime's characters and pacing, no one of them is going to actually make physics work alright, because they are bad at it. And just like Mamser-P, I don't want elitists taking over the forums too. |
Mar 4, 2016 11:27 PM
#85
They're obviously full of shit, because all the Elitist anime fans haven't watched a new anime series since 2010. |
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Mar 4, 2016 11:31 PM
#86
One of these days I'm going to post a question stating. "what's up with all these casuals on forums, why are they so obsessed with their taste?" 100% I'll get bashed hard as an elitist and probably get banned. |
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Mar 4, 2016 11:39 PM
#87
Noxious_ said: One of these days I'm going to post a question stating. "what's up with all these casuals on forums, why are they so obsessed with their taste?" 100% I'll get bashed hard as an elitist and probably get banned. I got just a few high rated series that are considered casual, but I as well as other users have gotten bashed more for being an "elitist" than any of us did for being a casual or pleb. Whenever someone wants to tell me how stupid I am for liking a particular series, it's usually from self proclaimed casual fans. Like I said, people need to just leave each other alone on what they watch. |
Mar 5, 2016 12:51 AM
#88
Mar 5, 2016 2:06 AM
#89
ItsMaz said: Nico- said: TheBrainintheJar said: People are obsessed with 'elitists' because many people are insecure about their opinions. They can't explain them very well and they don't know much about logic. So when someone who comes off as 'intellectual' arrives (Sometimes legitimately, sometimes not) it's easier to just write them off as 'elitist'. Remember - You don't have to develop deep thinking if you're always sure you're right, and dismiss everyone who disagrees with you with ad hominem? No. Most of the time people act "obsessed" is because they are mocked beforehand, are reminded that they are shitty human beings for liking certain anime, and are even being called names without warning from these people. This fits what an elitist entails, a person with a high superiority complex. Taste in anime and intellect are irrelevant when it comes to personifying an elitist. It's simply someone who feels elite to others, and simply will not debate without resorting to dismissal of alternative opinions. They include both trolls and people who take trolling limits higher than they should be. The point being made is that these elitists barely even exist. Nevermind the fact that most people don't even know what an elitist is (Oh, you like LogH? You're an elitist then), these elitists are simply not nearly prolific as what everyone makes them out to be. I've rarely came across actual elitists, yet with the amount of threads on AD bashing them you'd think they were running the place. These people calling everyone out as being elitists aren't being mocked and insulted beforehand in most cases. They just can't handle criticism and let their fan boy/girl bias take over. This doesn't sound like elitism to me, at least not how people describe it. Most people describe elitists as those with some superiority complex, generally using something ('intellectualism') to justify it. In general, any time I've seen anyone being called an elitist is because they had the appearance of intellect. Sometimes the appearance was bullshit, sometimes not. People who bully others are just bullies. |
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Mar 5, 2016 6:28 AM
#90
I guess people who complain about elitists are jumping the bandwagon, have a persecution complex and just want to feel validated, like some people said above. Personally, I don't care if someone doesn't like things that I like or try to tell me how objectively bad they are. As for elitists themselves, I don't really call people elitists because of their behavior, but if they call themselves one, well, that's how I'll see them from now on. I wouldn't really publicly criticize these self-called elitists because I don't really care much for their opinions. I feel a little sad for those anime fans that watch everything in sight just to complain how bad it is during and afterwards and they haven't enjoyed anything that aired after the 1980s. |
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Mar 5, 2016 6:55 AM
#91
there are always those who can't understand that because they enjoy something, that not everyone else is going to enjoy it too. that applies to the "elitist" and "elitist hunters" |
Mar 5, 2016 7:05 AM
#92
Everybody is scared of the elitist boogeymen. And common boogeymen make good reason for circlejerking. |
Mar 5, 2016 10:36 AM
#93
TheBrainintheJar said: ItsMaz said: Nico- said: TheBrainintheJar said: People are obsessed with 'elitists' because many people are insecure about their opinions. They can't explain them very well and they don't know much about logic. So when someone who comes off as 'intellectual' arrives (Sometimes legitimately, sometimes not) it's easier to just write them off as 'elitist'. Remember - You don't have to develop deep thinking if you're always sure you're right, and dismiss everyone who disagrees with you with ad hominem? No. Most of the time people act "obsessed" is because they are mocked beforehand, are reminded that they are shitty human beings for liking certain anime, and are even being called names without warning from these people. This fits what an elitist entails, a person with a high superiority complex. Taste in anime and intellect are irrelevant when it comes to personifying an elitist. It's simply someone who feels elite to others, and simply will not debate without resorting to dismissal of alternative opinions. They include both trolls and people who take trolling limits higher than they should be. The point being made is that these elitists barely even exist. Nevermind the fact that most people don't even know what an elitist is (Oh, you like LogH? You're an elitist then), these elitists are simply not nearly prolific as what everyone makes them out to be. I've rarely came across actual elitists, yet with the amount of threads on AD bashing them you'd think they were running the place. These people calling everyone out as being elitists aren't being mocked and insulted beforehand in most cases. They just can't handle criticism and let their fan boy/girl bias take over. This doesn't sound like elitism to me, at least not how people describe it. Most people describe elitists as those with some superiority complex, generally using something ('intellectualism') to justify it. In general, any time I've seen anyone being called an elitist is because they had the appearance of intellect. Sometimes the appearance was bullshit, sometimes not. People who bully others are just bullies. That's why I'm saying lol, most of the time those being accused of being an elitist aren't even elitists anyway; people misuse the phrase all the time. |
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Mar 5, 2016 1:57 PM
#94
it's because theyre faget attention wholes who feel they need to prove their existence by being offended by everything a certain anime community on the internet says about their favourite Chinese cartoons |
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Mar 5, 2016 2:07 PM
#95
If you dislike something generically popular in weeb crowds of teenagers you're an elitist. If you dislike something artsy and niche you're a casual fggt. Nobody wins when the popularity or how hipster something is dictates your enjoyment of something. Everyone's puts everyone else and themselves in camps and it becomes their enjoyment identity but that just ends up limiting your actual enjoyment of things. I like what I like, just because I enjoy the deeper movies doesn't mean I won't be in the audience of some of the latest corny summer blockbusters. same goes with anime. I think it just tends to be the human condition everyone puts everyone else in camps and most do it to themselves. |
SpooksMar 5, 2016 2:10 PM
Mar 5, 2016 6:35 PM
#96
Well, I honestly think anime elitists are irritating, but from my perspective as long as they're not being directly harmful or rude to me specifically (unironically of course), i generally won't complain. Do I think they are irritating? Certainly. Do I give too much of a fuck most of the time? Not really. |
Mar 5, 2016 6:38 PM
#97
why the fuck is there no tldr. i cant read that much. |
Mar 5, 2016 7:19 PM
#98
Spooks said: If you dislike something generically popular in weeb crowds of teenagers you're an elitist. If you dislike something artsy and niche you're a casual fggt. Nobody wins when the popularity or how hipster something is dictates your enjoyment of something. Everyone's puts everyone else and themselves in camps and it becomes their enjoyment identity but that just ends up limiting your actual enjoyment of things. I like what I like, just because I enjoy the deeper movies doesn't mean I won't be in the audience of some of the latest corny summer blockbusters. same goes with anime. I think it just tends to be the human condition everyone puts everyone else in camps and most do it to themselves. The same goes with music tastes. Sure, I can appreciate music when it's full of deep messages reflecting society and current issues, but doesn't mean I can't enjoy the simple party song with nonsense meaning everyone's been into every now and then. |
Mar 5, 2016 7:30 PM
#99
Ball_is_Life said: The same goes with music tastes. Sure, I can appreciate music when it's full of deep messages reflecting society and current issues, but doesn't mean I can't enjoy the simple party song with nonsense meaning everyone's been into every now and then. Things would be a lot better if everyone chose what they actually like over appearances and categories. Why are people afraid of saying they like silly stuff if they admit they like something different first or vice versa. People are been dishonest with themselves to appease others that don't even really care (unless you're on the internet where everyone really really cares what you like and will grill you for been inconsistent) I see people who pretend they hate something or even miss like a film premier or a music concert because they don't want to be seen admitting they like it. I mean I love films like Glengarry Glen ross, American beauty and to some that should mean I couldn't possibly enjoy something like Armageddon or Face off but I love those movies. As for music I love the classical stuff even Opera but I also love freaking Kanye west. So maybe I just like been confusing. |
Mar 5, 2016 10:28 PM
#100
Mooncake said: why the fuck is there no tldr. i cant read that much. Because the topic is made by Comic_Sans. I find him a generally disagreeable person. Here's a TLDR for you: anti-elitists attack forums! Discuss. |
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