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Oct 19, 2008 12:35 PM

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THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE.
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"The Wind of Arras"

Antoinette is entranced by singer Yolande de Polignac and invites her entire family to move to Versailles—one of the many decisions that would lead to her eventual destruction. Against the rules of her confinement, Oscar takes a trip to Arras, a peasant village under her family's care. There, she learns of the terrible condition of the common French people. The peasants treat her coldly because of her noble lineage. Robespierre, there on a trip to help them, tells her that the majority of French people blame the Queen's hedonism for their unending suffering. Gilbert, the son of the peasant Sugan, falls ill, and is left to die due to his family's inability to pay for a doctor. Oscar takes him to the hospital and pays in Sugan's stead, saving the child, but is deeply affected by everything she has seen and heard. summary courtesy of Wikipedia

-nice change of pace from the usual royal court drama
-Robespierre (check your history books kids)?
-Looks like the entire country is turning against the royal family, especially Antoinette o_o
 
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Feb 5, 2009 10:37 PM

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Good to see Oscar finally understand how bad things are, and more Robespierre, this is really going to turn out good(though I do not recall Oscar in my history books, so her fate is a mystery to me)
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Apr 21, 2009 8:29 AM

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I fell just a little bit in love with Lady Oscar.
 
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Sep 4, 2011 6:36 AM
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Robespierre appeared again and together with reality serves as an eye-opener for Oscar. I wonder what she will make of it in the future, at least now she should be fully aware of everything.

And I was totally surprised by the spoilerific announcement of the narrator that this Poignac Lady will "dominate Versailles for a decade". She just came out of nowhere, but it seems like she'll become part of the main cast. Interesting.

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don't nobody want to pray, till they got something to pray for
now everybody's gonna die, but don't everybody live though
 
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Higashi_no_Kaze said:
Robespierre appeared again and together with reality serves as an eye-opener for Oscar. I wonder what she will make of it in the future, at least now she should be fully aware of everything.

And I was totally surprised by the spoilerific announcement of the narrator that this Poignac Lady will "dominate Versailles for a decade". She just came out of nowhere, but it seems like she'll become part of the main cast. Interesting.


Well, the narrator isn't really "spoiling" anything at all. I think the series just assumes that the person watching the series knows of the events leading up to the Revolution or at least has a general idea.
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insan3soldiern said:
Higashi_no_Kaze said:


And I was totally surprised by the spoilerific announcement of the narrator that this Poignac Lady will "dominate Versailles for a decade". She just came out of nowhere, but it seems like she'll become part of the main cast. Interesting.


Well, the narrator isn't really "spoiling" anything at all. I think the series just assumes that the person watching the series knows of the events leading up to the Revolution or at least has a general idea.


I agree with insan3soldiern, in that it seems like the writer has assumed most viewers are savvy to the idea that these characters are all somehow involved in the French Revolution.

I was surprised that the Duchess of Polignac is one of the people that would worsen Marie Antoinette's standing in all of this. She seemed so benign, but obviously you can't judge a book by its cover. Too bad Marie is so naïve and lacks any sense of caution whatsoever. I didn't really agree with Oscar when she explained what she thought was Marie's reasoning for putting her ("her" as in Oscar) under "house-arrest" after her duel with the Duke of Guéméné... Oscar was giving Marie too much credit, in my opinion!

I like the direction this is going in, though!

mitamaking said:
Good to see Oscar finally understand how bad things are, and more Robespierre, this is really going to turn out good(though I do not recall Oscar in my history books, so her fate is a mystery to me)

Oscar is a fictional character, although her father (in this series) actually did exist in the role and name suggested in the anime. :)
 
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Feb 13, 2013 12:43 AM

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I'm glad Gilbert lived cause that would be too sad to have another death of a child. T^T

Even though it was harsh I side with the father I would rather keep whats making us money than let everyone die of starvation in the family. Poverty is very cruel.
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I call this the lightbulb episode because it finally clicked with Oscar.

Is Antoinette a nice and kind person, yes. But she and the royal court are spending unseemly loads of money on fancy dresses, parties, wine every freaking day while 96% percent of the population is in the worst of poverty footing the bill. The church isn't helping matters either.

You don't come across very nice if you are breaking peoples backs to party every day. Bring on the revolution.
 
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Yeah, Oscar's fictional. It's funny to see Robespierre, knowing what his role in history later on is. And his ultimate fate. XD

And yay for lightbulb episode! Glad to see Oscar realizing how poor society is.
 
Sep 29, 2014 10:39 PM

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Seems like things can only go downhill from here on. Let's see how Oscar will try to prevent the unavoidable events to come.
 
Dec 18, 2014 3:25 AM

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insan3priest said:
Higashi_no_Kaze said:
Robespierre appeared again and together with reality serves as an eye-opener for Oscar. I wonder what she will make of it in the future, at least now she should be fully aware of everything.

And I was totally surprised by the spoilerific announcement of the narrator that this Poignac Lady will "dominate Versailles for a decade". She just came out of nowhere, but it seems like she'll become part of the main cast. Interesting.


Well, the narrator isn't really "spoiling" anything at all. I think the series just assumes that the person watching the series knows of the events leading up to the Revolution or at least has a general idea.


Then the show assumes it wrong, and they should have known that not all people have even a slightest knowledge about events leading up to the Revolution. You're trying too hard to defend it this time, the narrator is clearly spoiling things whether in purpose or not and it's not the first time she does it. As simple as that.

The story is progressing well; France is dying. The last few episodes seem to emphasize that Oscar's eyes are being opened. The princess can't really be blamed for everything though, it's her environtment gives her a negative influence. I mean she's surrounded by her evil aunts and the Court itself is full of corrupt people.

I'm loving this series.
 
Feb 13, 2015 3:38 AM

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Unfortunately kindness and generosity won't save you from going bankrupt, and, by the way it is represented in this show, both the King and the Queen have no power and are at the moment unaware of what it to unfold in the coming future, heck, they probably had no power in the real history as well, plus the money they spent on the American War, which was around 56 million pounds(1.3 billion livres) and their national debt totaling ~187 million pounds.

I wonder what role the fictional character Oscar would play and I liked that she started to grasp what are the people experiencing outside the palace and what is their view on the Royal Family.
 
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hmmmmm....Oscar finally realizes how terrible Marie is (as a queen). hopefully she talks some sense into her...I really doubt it though lol, Marie is in too deep into this royalty thing to actually understand poverty
 
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Impala said:
insan3priest said:


Well, the narrator isn't really "spoiling" anything at all. I think the series just assumes that the person watching the series knows of the events leading up to the Revolution or at least has a general idea.


Then the show assumes it wrong, and they should have known that not all people have even a slightest knowledge about events leading up to the Revolution. You're trying too hard to defend it this time, the narrator is clearly spoiling things whether in purpose or not and it's not the first time she does it. As simple as that.


Agree with that. I mean, is the average watcher supposed to know who Yolande de Polignac is?

Also, I guess its been a year know? From the crowning, I mean.
Oscar and Mare are 20 e King Louis XVI is 21.
 
Jan 6, 2016 5:19 PM

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This shit is so realistic and depressing to watch, Oscar is trying her best to avoid a massive war between the people in France while Marie is having fun inside her castle.
 
Jun 9, 2016 1:24 AM

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The narrator is probably even worse than that of LoGH in the spoiling aspect. Oh well...

A nice change of pace from the usual court drama.
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Idc if you think its weird, I have a life and friends and an income of money.

 
Dec 11, 2017 2:34 PM

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Time for Oscar to smack some sense into Marie,not that it wouldn't be too late for that.
Kokoro did nothing wrong.

 
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Finalmente Oscar se deu conta do óbvio, as condições para as pessoas trabalhadoras estão péssimas. Os governantes não fazem nada para melhorar isso. Antonieta como sempre infantil e fácil de manipular. Não vejo a hora da revolução começar.
 
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Damn,this series has spoiled so much from leader of french revolution to people who will cause Antoinette's downfall.Am I even supposed to watch this series further with spoilers raining like cats and dogs??
 
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For me, Lady Antoinette easily takes the cake for worst girl. So selfish, so self-centered. Making friends with whomever it's to her taste, having fun in her own circle, while Oscar is out there witnessing the horror of people living in poverty.

Sorry not sorry, but Antoinette, you disgust me to no end.
And whatever tragedy Madame Polignac is about to bestow on Lady Antoinette, I'm saying this in advance - she has totally deserved it.

Kind? Don't make me laugh. The new Queen and King of France are for pitty.

P.S. Why kids are so cute, pure and innocent in the series? The world doesn't deserve these smol precious jewels. I loved brave little Gilbert.
 
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