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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- "The Wind of Arras" Antoinette is entranced by singer Yolande de Polignac and invites her entire family to move to Versailles—one of the many decisions that would lead to her eventual destruction. Against the rules of her confinement, Oscar takes a trip to Arras, a peasant village under her family's care. There, she learns of the terrible condition of the common French people. The peasants treat her coldly because of her noble lineage. Robespierre, there on a trip to help them, tells her that the majority of French people blame the Queen's hedonism for their unending suffering. Gilbert, the son of the peasant Sugan, falls ill, and is left to die due to his family's inability to pay for a doctor. Oscar takes him to the hospital and pays in Sugan's stead, saving the child, but is deeply affected by everything she has seen and heard. summary courtesy of Wikipedia -nice change of pace from the usual royal court drama -Robespierre (check your history books kids)? -Looks like the entire country is turning against the royal family, especially Antoinette o_o |
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| Good to see Oscar finally understand how bad things are, and more Robespierre, this is really going to turn out good(though I do not recall Oscar in my history books, so her fate is a mystery to me) |
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| Robespierre appeared again and together with reality serves as an eye-opener for Oscar. I wonder what she will make of it in the future, at least now she should be fully aware of everything. And I was totally surprised by the spoilerific announcement of the narrator that this Poignac Lady will "dominate Versailles for a decade". She just came out of nowhere, but it seems like she'll become part of the main cast. Interesting. |
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Higashi_no_Kaze said: Robespierre appeared again and together with reality serves as an eye-opener for Oscar. I wonder what she will make of it in the future, at least now she should be fully aware of everything. And I was totally surprised by the spoilerific announcement of the narrator that this Poignac Lady will "dominate Versailles for a decade". She just came out of nowhere, but it seems like she'll become part of the main cast. Interesting. Well, the narrator isn't really "spoiling" anything at all. I think the series just assumes that the person watching the series knows of the events leading up to the Revolution or at least has a general idea. |
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insan3soldiern said: Higashi_no_Kaze said: And I was totally surprised by the spoilerific announcement of the narrator that this Poignac Lady will "dominate Versailles for a decade". She just came out of nowhere, but it seems like she'll become part of the main cast. Interesting. Well, the narrator isn't really "spoiling" anything at all. I think the series just assumes that the person watching the series knows of the events leading up to the Revolution or at least has a general idea. I agree with insan3soldiern, in that it seems like the writer has assumed most viewers are savvy to the idea that these characters are all somehow involved in the French Revolution. I was surprised that the Duchess of Polignac is one of the people that would worsen Marie Antoinette's standing in all of this. She seemed so benign, but obviously you can't judge a book by its cover. Too bad Marie is so naïve and lacks any sense of caution whatsoever. I didn't really agree with Oscar when she explained what she thought was Marie's reasoning for putting her ("her" as in Oscar) under "house-arrest" after her duel with the Duke of Guéméné... Oscar was giving Marie too much credit, in my opinion! I like the direction this is going in, though! mitamaking said: Good to see Oscar finally understand how bad things are, and more Robespierre, this is really going to turn out good(though I do not recall Oscar in my history books, so her fate is a mystery to me) Oscar is a fictional character, although her father (in this series) actually did exist in the role and name suggested in the anime. :) |
| I'm glad Gilbert lived cause that would be too sad to have another death of a child. T^T Even though it was harsh I side with the father I would rather keep whats making us money than let everyone die of starvation in the family. Poverty is very cruel. |
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| I call this the lightbulb episode because it finally clicked with Oscar. Is Antoinette a nice and kind person, yes. But she and the royal court are spending unseemly loads of money on fancy dresses, parties, wine every freaking day while 96% percent of the population is in the worst of poverty footing the bill. The church isn't helping matters either. You don't come across very nice if you are breaking peoples backs to party every day. Bring on the revolution. |
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| Yeah, Oscar's fictional. It's funny to see Robespierre, knowing what his role in history later on is. And his ultimate fate. XD And yay for lightbulb episode! Glad to see Oscar realizing how poor society is. |
| Seems like things can only go downhill from here on. Let's see how Oscar will try to prevent the unavoidable events to come. |
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insan3priest said: Higashi_no_Kaze said: Robespierre appeared again and together with reality serves as an eye-opener for Oscar. I wonder what she will make of it in the future, at least now she should be fully aware of everything. And I was totally surprised by the spoilerific announcement of the narrator that this Poignac Lady will "dominate Versailles for a decade". She just came out of nowhere, but it seems like she'll become part of the main cast. Interesting. Well, the narrator isn't really "spoiling" anything at all. I think the series just assumes that the person watching the series knows of the events leading up to the Revolution or at least has a general idea. Then the show assumes it wrong, and they should have known that not all people have even a slightest knowledge about events leading up to the Revolution. You're trying too hard to defend it this time, the narrator is clearly spoiling things whether in purpose or not and it's not the first time she does it. As simple as that. The story is progressing well; France is dying. The last few episodes seem to emphasize that Oscar's eyes are being opened. The princess can't really be blamed for everything though, it's her environtment gives her a negative influence. I mean she's surrounded by her evil aunts and the Court itself is full of corrupt people. I'm loving this series. |
| Unfortunately kindness and generosity won't save you from going bankrupt, and, by the way it is represented in this show, both the King and the Queen have no power and are at the moment unaware of what it to unfold in the coming future, heck, they probably had no power in the real history as well, plus the money they spent on the American War, which was around 56 million pounds(1.3 billion livres) and their national debt totaling ~187 million pounds. I wonder what role the fictional character Oscar would play and I liked that she started to grasp what are the people experiencing outside the palace and what is their view on the Royal Family. |
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| hmmmmm....Oscar finally realizes how terrible Marie is (as a queen). hopefully she talks some sense into her...I really doubt it though lol, Marie is in too deep into this royalty thing to actually understand poverty |
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Impala said: insan3priest said: Well, the narrator isn't really "spoiling" anything at all. I think the series just assumes that the person watching the series knows of the events leading up to the Revolution or at least has a general idea. Then the show assumes it wrong, and they should have known that not all people have even a slightest knowledge about events leading up to the Revolution. You're trying too hard to defend it this time, the narrator is clearly spoiling things whether in purpose or not and it's not the first time she does it. As simple as that. Agree with that. I mean, is the average watcher supposed to know who Yolande de Polignac is? Also, I guess its been a year know? From the crowning, I mean. Oscar and Mare are 20 e King Louis XVI is 21. |
| The narrator is probably even worse than that of LoGH in the spoiling aspect. Oh well... A nice change of pace from the usual court drama. |
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| Time for Oscar to smack some sense into Marie,not that it wouldn't be too late for that. |
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| Oscar is definitely becoming one of my favorite characters not just in the show but in general, can’t wait to have two oscars/k in my favorites Lol |
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| Robespierre may be outspoken, but he do be spitting facts there. Must've been quite the reality check for Oscar who has been living at the royal side for a while. Even though knowing in reality people like Gilbert would have a tragic death, I'm still glad he didn't die here |
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youthful said: For me, Lady Antoinette easily takes the cake for worst girl. So selfish, so self-centered. Making friends with whomever it's to her taste, having fun in her own circle, while Oscar is out there witnessing the horror of people living in poverty. Sorry not sorry, but Antoinette, you disgust me to no end. And whatever tragedy Madame Polignac is about to bestow on Lady Antoinette, I'm saying this in advance - she has totally deserved it. I agree with everything you said. Although I think some of the blame falls on those nobels who are not trying to stop her from making those decisions, it's still mostly her fault. I really want to feel bad for her but she's just bringing everything onto herself. She's just so naive and carefree... The revolution is just inevitable at this point. |
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AkaiWaZ said: youthful said: For me, Lady Antoinette easily takes the cake for worst girl. So selfish, so self-centered. Making friends with whomever it's to her taste, having fun in her own circle, while Oscar is out there witnessing the horror of people living in poverty. Sorry not sorry, but Antoinette, you disgust me to no end. And whatever tragedy Madame Polignac is about to bestow on Lady Antoinette, I'm saying this in advance - she has totally deserved it. I agree with everything you said. Although I think some of the blame falls on those nobels who are not trying to stop her from making those decisions, it's still mostly her fault. I really want to feel bad for her but she's just bringing everything onto herself. She's just so naive and carefree... The revolution is just inevitable at this point. Ironically, the show actually makes her a much more positive and sympathetic character than the real Marie. |
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| Wow, Im really mad right now and Im not even living during that injustice, no wonder they all start a revolution. Honestly fuck the nobles. |
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| He said the commoners pay for the lifestyle of the 4 percent. In modern America, the bottom 50 percent of Americans hold just 2 percent of the country's wealth and the top 1 percent own more wealth than half the country. I know the French must've had it worse before their revolution, but I can't help but see the parallels in wealth disparity. Trequartista said: The narrator is probably even worse than that of LoGH in the spoiling aspect. Oh well... A nice change of pace from the usual court drama. Everything the narrator has spoiled so far has been based on historical events and people. So she hasn't really spoiled anything. |
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| That was such a great episode ! It was so interesting to see the beginnings of the French Revolution, as well as Oscar's reaction to it. But regarding Oscar, I love her but her almost blind dedication to Marie-Antoinette is worrying. Marie-Antoinette being a kind person doesn't make her any less of a bad queen, I hope Oscar realises that. And this has me thinking, considering that she is both incredibly loyal to Marie-Antoinette and deeply compassionate towards the people, I wonder which side she'll choose to join during the Revolution. I can't see her betraying Marie-Antoinette to take part in the revolt, but neither can I see her fighting against the people who she empathizes with. One thing is sure, it is getting more and more interesting. |
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| Well they say "third time's the charm" and Oscar finally understood what is the situation outside the palace and the rich people world but kind of weird that Andre, who has been with her in every the poor are suffering! instance, still has his doubt but I guess it add a little of drama between them. On the other hand, Marie got a bestie. |
| This episode was really sad and heartbreaking. It was so real that I almost cried when they couldn't take their son to the hospital. They only have one "treasure" which is a cow that they use for livelihood, producing milk and cheese which is an expensive food for the rich and noble, but they themselves can only eat potatoes. It reminded me a bit of builders. There was one who once told me that his job was to build tall buildings, build big houses and renovate beautiful houses, he was used to holding expensive building materials and furniture but his own house was just a small ordinary house. I know these two are two different cases but I just think that many of the rich who can live luxuriously are thanks to the poor. Also, Marie really needs to be much more wiser in choosing friends. Given that she is the Queen.. there are obviously people who are trying to take advantage of her and bring her down. |
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| I love how real they are keeping it, letting Oscar see the reality of the country, behind the fences of Versailles. And man, I LOVE Robespierre, I've read a few books about him and he's my hero, so every minute I can see him, and I can see him depicted with such historical accuracy, the happier I get. As for the comparisons that were made in the comments between XVIII century France and the modern day Western world, social inequality is definitely greater in modern day USA and I believe also in modern day Western Europe but I would need more research to check that information. It should however be noted that the commodities available were less and so, less inequality may still lead to higher rates of hunger, which is still pretty high even in modern day USA, with 11.1% of households, or 37.2M people, facing food insecurity in 2018 and 40% of households with young children during the pandemic. The French Revolution wasn't only a revolution of the poor however, but also of the bourgeoisie that had obtained considerable economic power and this way obtained the corresponding poilitical power. Of course the propellent was largely the rage of the poor people, who also did most of the fighting and dying, and Robespierre represented their interests, but he was killed and the White Terror was unleashed on all of the revolutionaries more tied to the interests of the poor people, while myths regarding Robespierre's own rule were spread by both the French bourgeois elite and the European monarchs alike. |
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