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May 26, 2008 5:09 PM
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THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE.
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Friedrich is coooold. On one hand I can see why Susanna became that way since she was basically abandoned and never spoken to again. On the other hand she has the same 'priviledged aristocrat' attitude that makes me feel less sorry for her. This makes me wonder if Friedrich would do the same thing to Annerose and just abandon her one day. I have a feeling he won't live long enough to do so though since they keep mentioning the Goldenbaum Dynasty's decline.

I want to see Flegel get burned.

...even a saint needs a soldier to do the dirty work.
 
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Jun 10, 2008 5:43 AM

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I want to see Flegel get burned.
Literally? Or Figuratively? For me, I'd like to see both. :D Also, Reihnard can give him a kick in the balls, like all bullies deserve. Lol.

At the start of the spidoe I realized, Annerose has to fuck Friedrich. Bleugh, bleugh, BLEUGH! Haha, I keep thinking this is set in the past (because of what the empire wears) and thought "Wait, would they have had viagra back then". Oops.

In a lot of fiction, the person who ends up just barely escaping death, always ends up forgiving their assassin. I dunno if its like that in real life. I mean, I can understand her. Imagine hating, or feeling angry at a person who tried to kill you but is dead? And especially if they are dead because they tried to murder you. Wouldn’t that be really, really sad? That would be such a straight up bad life. And the side characters in the event never see that. ;D

I wonder if Friedrich will even come to the funeral? Since his subordinates announced, he most likely will. If he had a choice, I'm sure he wouldn't go.

This has been bugging me for a while, and hopefully there will cover this late, but where the dfuck is Planet Earth? I don't wnat to come over as an idiot but...

I love how Klaus talks, best seiyuu so far. Yang Wenli needs a cape. Reinhard is pwning him in the badassery department at the moment with TWO different coloured capes! I love his white one.

I've noticed I kind of feel sorry for old anime. Repetitve crap is being animated very well these days and amazing stories like these deserve more. Imagine if this was animated as well as Gundam 00? I understand this is about the best they had in '88 and I don't dislike the art it's just... I could see it being so much more. I know th is is early but I am looking forward to the better animation. :D

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Jun 10, 2008 9:06 AM
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LoveWifeLunch said:
tainteddonut said:
I want to see Flegel get burned.
Literally? Or Figuratively? For me, I'd like to see both. :D Also, Reihnard can give him a kick in the balls, like all bullies deserve. Lol.

At the start of the spidoe I realized, Annerose has to fuck Friedrich. Bleugh, bleugh, BLEUGH! Haha, I keep thinking this is set in the past (because of what the empire wears) and thought "Wait, would they have had viagra back then". Oops.


For Flegel, both. I hate charactes like him.

I never once thought about Friedrich and Annerose private relationship. Damn it now I got an ugly image in my head >_<


I love how Klaus talks, best seiyuu so far. Yang Wenli needs a cape. Reinhard is pwning him in the badassery department at the moment with TWO different coloured capes! I love his white one.


Haha I actually can't imagine Yang with a cape. I think he'd look kind of silly, especially when he sits to direct a battle. Besides, capes are ©The Empire :P

...even a saint needs a soldier to do the dirty work.
 
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At the start of the spidoe I realized, Annerose has to fuck Friedrich. Bleugh, bleugh, BLEUGH! Haha, I keep thinking this is set in the past (because of what the empire wears) and thought "Wait, would they have had viagra back then". Oops.

Well... yeah. I kind of figured that was why Reinhard was so pissed off when they took her away.

Also, the cape is just a symbol of how much more badass Reinhard is than Yang. With or without it, he's got the upper hand over Yang.
 
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Oct 25, 2008 5:26 PM
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naikou said:
LoveWifeLunch said:
At the start of the spidoe I realized, Annerose has to fuck Friedrich. Bleugh, bleugh, BLEUGH! Haha, I keep thinking this is set in the past (because of what the empire wears) and thought "Wait, would they have had viagra back then". Oops.

Well... yeah. I kind of figured that was why Reinhard was so pissed off when they took her away.

Also, the cape is just a symbol of how much more badass Reinhard is than Yang. With or without it, he's got the upper hand over Yang.


Indeed, Reinhard is so badass with his cape.... I want more space battle though....

I overly prefer Alliance sidestories over Empire sidestories because the Empire's are pretty much "inner affairs" of the Imperial Court and I am awfully familiar with it from reading Chinese Imperial fiction....
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Wow, great episode. I'm really glad I came across this series, it's definitely of masterpiece quality when compared to most stuff these days.

Reinhard is pretty awesome. I like Yang too, but so far I'm much more interested in the Empire side of things. This looks like a promising series so far, I'm getting addicted.
 
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That cliched ring of poison had me cackling.

Plus I swear at one point in the episode a car runs over a guard's feet and he doesnt even notice.

And I actually felt sorry for the bitchy lady by the end, a pretty miserable way to go out, ignored by your lover and humiliated in death.
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LoveWifeLunch said:
At the start of the spidoe I realized, Annerose has to fuck Friedrich. Bleugh, bleugh, BLEUGH! Haha, I keep thinking this is set in the past (because of what the empire wears) and thought "Wait, would they have had viagra back then". Oops.
I didn't fully realize Annerose's plight until I watched the first Gaiden episode, a poor teenage girl taken against her will by a decrepit, old pervert to be his new sexual toy and on top of that she ends up hated and envied for her... good fortune. Those nobles really are something.
 
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All I have to say is: if this series truly gets better after ep. 25, is this supposed to be bad?

Most series can't even touch this.. And Reinhard is definitely my favorite character, so far. Badass voice and badass cape, hell yeah.
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Jul 28, 2009 1:57 AM

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usasoldiern said:
All I have to say is: if this series truly gets better after ep. 25, is this supposed to be bad?

Most series can't even touch this.. And Reinhard is definitely my favorite character, so far. Badass voice and badass cape, hell yeah.
No this is supposed to be just wonderful... after ep25 it gets awesome... :p

And Reinhard is my favorite character too...
 
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Alas86 said:
usasoldiern said:
All I have to say is: if this series truly gets better after ep. 25, is this supposed to be bad?

Most series can't even touch this.. And Reinhard is definitely my favorite character, so far. Badass voice and badass cape, hell yeah.
No this is supposed to be just wonderful... after ep25 it gets awesome... :p

And Reinhard is my favorite character too...


And, i'm not saying that Yang's a bad character. It's just that he hasn't had as much time to shine, compared to Reinhard.
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And, i'm not saying that Yang's a bad character. It's just that he hasn't had as much time to shine, compared to Reinhard.
A bad character? Is there such a thing in LotGH?
Yang is also amongst my favorites... its just that Reinhard is my favorite character ever on an anime... so Yangs naturally falls a bit behind in my affections...
 
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Alas86 said:
usasoldiern said:
And, i'm not saying that Yang's a bad character. It's just that he hasn't had as much time to shine, compared to Reinhard.
A bad character? Is there such a thing in LotGH?
Yang is also amongst my favorites... its just that Reinhard is my favorite character ever on an anime... so Yangs naturally falls a bit behind in my affections...


Well, i'll have to reserve my judgments on the characters of this show when compared to others. So, we'll see if any make it on my favorite's list.

Oh, and for anyone complaining about the battles. They are starting to get much much more interesting the further I get into the series.
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Jul 29, 2009 3:14 AM

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what about Oberstein showing up just in time to save Annerose? That was very suspicious to me
 
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what about Oberstein showing up just in time to save Annerose? That was very suspicious to me


It's very natural to be suspicious of Oberstein.
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usasoldiern said:
vanns said:
what about Oberstein showing up just in time to save Annerose? That was very suspicious to me


It's very natural to be suspicious of Oberstein.


Indeed, he is behind of every conspiracy ever made in Humanity history.
Eo tempore, cum tibi occuri,
Mihi vita laeta fuit,
Cum autem te nusquam conspexi,
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Oberstein's a robot. The whole idea of him just being a human with poor genetics is just something to throw the viewer off.



At this point, I'm feeling neutral about Frederich and Benemunde. While I like Frederich for not being a tyrant, I don't like him for fooling around and leaving things to a Prime Minister. And while I may never come to lilke Benemunde, I do understand why she acted the way she did.

Also, I gotta give props to Reinhard for taking that shot to the face by Benemunde. It takes some kinda man to not wanna smack someone after what he went through.
 
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Also, I gotta give props to Reinhard for taking that shot to the face by Benemunde. It takes some kinda man to not wanna smack someone after what he went through.

There's nothing more appalling than someone spitting bodily fluids towards your face. Reinhard have quite some class for maintaining his composure. Although I disliked Benemunde's holier-than-thou attitude, I felt sympathy to her when she spoke her last words.

And lol at Oberstein arriving late and cutting off the electricity. Couldn't they done that in the first place? Ever since he managed to save himself by escaping from blowing up in the last episodes, I have to respect his guilefulness (for the lack of better word).
 
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Jealousy is something but commiting a kidnapping is another thing.
The reason of Marquise Benemunde to kill Reinhard sister was too simplistic and cliché and we didn't learn anything about her before she died, anything that could have give a deeper meaning to her decision to kill Reinard sister.
So at least, all we have is just a cliché character.
 
Oct 22, 2009 7:45 PM

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Great episode as usual. I loved the shoot-out near the ending.
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Oberstein is a sneaky bastard)

anyway nice ep
 
Aug 19, 2010 4:35 PM

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well the "suicide" scene was a bit brutal...but the b!tch deserved it

now it's flagel's turn or wth is his name :p

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It sounded like Paul said "Fuck" when he dodged the shot and hid.

Also, that wasn't a suicide, they forced the wine on her!!
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Jul 9, 2011 6:51 PM

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Very good episode.
 
Jul 30, 2011 1:26 PM
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"An Actress Exit" - Not exactly a suicide...
 
Aug 20, 2011 6:56 PM
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Reinhard: I had a dream last night. A dream of when we were children. When the three of us - you, me and my sister - were together.
Kircheis: Sometimes I wonder which is reality, then or now? Maybe now is just a dream. Am I wandering in a long gallery of dreams? There are times when I think so. One day the dream fades, and I return to another day. When you and I were children, and Lady Annerose was still with us. And then I'd say to Lady Annerose: "I had a dream. Reinhard and I became soldiers, important men commanding warships and going to the ends of the universe."

Maybe it's like a ritual for Reinhard and Kircheis to have intense conversations every nightfall. All they need is one look at the stars, and BAM time to philosophize.
Kircheis really is a fucking cool dude. Handled the hostage situation like a pro too. Very chill and rational.
 
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Oberstein, you are so Machiavellian.

I love the philosophy of Reinhard and Siegfried's balcony conversation. And how Reinhard snaps them back to reality with the line, "which reminds me of why I called you."

LoveWifeLunch said:
In a lot of fiction, the person who ends up just barely escaping death, always ends up forgiving their assassin. I dunno if its like that in real life.


It's probably very similar to Stockholm Syndrome.
 
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WHOA so Dramatic! DAMN that Bitch! Suitful punishment! And Oborstein (gonna call him that instead of Paul) is always one step ahead, Cautious genius right there.

I'm starting too see things in a new light, My first impression was the Galactic Empire is the evil one so Reinhard serves the evil side, but actually any evil done was done by the past ancestors in history. Neither Reinhard or Yang are bad guys, in fact both are good guys, but fate makes them walk separate paths.
 
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I feel bad for Benemunde. I mean ... The Kaizer just threw her away, you would think someone like him wouldn't do something like that (I mean earlier he sounded semi-wise), but then again it does make him a bit more interesting. Proclaiming that the royalty has become stagnant and yet he himself is part of the problem.
 
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Reinhard: I had a dream last night. A dream of when we were children. When the three of us - you, me and my sister - were together.
Kircheis: Sometimes I wonder which is reality, then or now? Maybe now is just a dream. Am I wandering in a long gallery of dreams? There are times when I think so. One day the dream fades, and I return to another day. When you and I were children, and Lady Annerose was still with us. And then I'd say to Lady Annerose: "I had a dream. Reinhard and I became soldiers, important men commanding warships and going to the ends of the universe."

Maybe it's like a ritual for Reinhard and Kircheis to have intense conversations every nightfall. All they need is one look at the stars, and BAM time to philosophize.


LOL THIS. And the fact that you bothered to type out the quote.

Not an episode I cared for much. I'm rarely interested in jealous women plots.
 
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Yeh until this episode I didn't realize that Anerose was taken for sexual purposes although i was suspicious. Then i checked and saw that she was Imperial Consort, so that cleared up any doubt. That is a pretty sickening system they have in place, and I am the furthest thing from a feminist or a female sympathizer. While Planetary Alliance is corrupt to the core, it seems like the lesser of 2 evils (just barely) and (slightly) preferable over the Galactic Empire.

2 Important links for anyone confused about the Military Rank Hierarchy- Just avoid looking at the example's of people in that position since it can have spoilers from later in the show. You can just look at the content list at the top for a list of positions from low to high if you don't want explanations of the positions which aren't really relevant imo.

Free Planets Alliance
http://gineipaedia.com/wiki/Military_ranks_of_the_Free_Planets_Alliance

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http://gineipaedia.com/wiki/Military_ranks_of_the_Galactic_Empire
 
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I realized she was taken for sexual reasons right away. Poor Annerose. I find her to be dull and kind of boring, but hr sad back story is very sad.

This was a great episode. Jealous crazy nobles are fun.
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I realized she was taken for sexual reasons right away. Poor Annerose. I find her to be dull and kind of boring, but hr sad back story is very sad.

This was a great episode. Jealous crazy nobles are fun.


I didn't say I was ignorant of that being the likely reason behind her capture, just that this episode confirmed things beyond a doubt and gave us more information, including what that entails.
 
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Ill be honest this is the first episode of the series i didnt like. almost entirely because benumunde's plan made absolutely no sense. So the plan was that they were gonna make annarose look like she committed adultry against the king by drugging her and putting her next to a commoner. They even make it so they hire thugs to capture annarose so they dont get any suspician.....so why the fuck would Benumunde just walk up to annrose IN PERSON, lay out her exact goal and intentions making the entire plan fall flat even if Sieg hadnt come to save the day since annarose could just easily tell someone like reinhard or seig what actually happened before any punishment is commited upon her in which they would probably clear things up.

So yeah first episode and hopefully only episode that really bothered me.

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Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me

 
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Ill be honest this is the first episode of the series i didnt like. almost entirely because benumunde's plan made absolutely no sense. So the plan was that they were gonna make annarose look like she committed adultry against the king by drugging her and putting her next to a commoner. They even make it so they hire thugs to capture annarose so they dont get any suspician.....so why the fuck would Benumunde just walk up to annrose IN PERSON, lay out her exact goal and intentions making the entire plan fall flat even if Sieg hadnt come to save the day since annarose could just easily tell someone like reinhard or seig what actually happened before any punishment is commited upon her in which they would probably clear things up.

So yeah first episode and hopefully only episode that really bothered me.


My friend none of this was OPTIONAL. This plan was going to be done AGAINST Anerose's will. She wouldn't have any say in the matter... Benemunde didn't walk up to Anerose, Anerose was CAPTURED and brought to an out of the way place to be used for the plan. She was not going to escape (barring getting saved by Kircheis), and the damage to her reputation would be irreperable once she was caught with a commoner in a compromising position. The whole "i was framed" excuse would be meaningless, and only death would be in store for Annarose after that.

As an aside, sure Kircheis and Reinhard would believe Annarose is innocent, but that would be futile as well. After Annerose's shameful and treasonous conduct, Reinhard would be hardpressed to stay alive, forget about retaining his illustrious position (ofcourse he wouldn't just cave in and whimper and die, but the goals of the nobles at this point would have been accomplished). It would be expected that Reinhard would come to her defense Post Facto, and as such it will be meaningless. The honest truth is that even IF the kaiser KNEW she was setup, if the public and other nobles found out about her being with a commoner, he would have NO CHOICE but to exile her or condemn her to death, regardless of what he thought. It would be a manner of saving face for the sake of the Position and Honor of Kaiser, and even if he thinks fondly of Annarose and believed in her innocence that would make no difference.

I admit that perhaps it can be slightly confusing since the capture and hijacking seemed relatively "civilized". This is the way the nobles operate. Even something like Suicide as a punishment is done in ceremony and a formal manner, preferably with "psuedo" consent in the form of swallowing poison from a Champagne Glass.
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It sounded like Paul said "Fuck" when he dodged the shot and hid.

Also, that wasn't a suicide, they forced the wine on her!!


Glad I wasn't the only one that heard that XD.

Also, that "suicide" was shameful and brutal :(. I'd hate to see how the actual executions go if this is their version of "mercy".
 
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Yessss that bitch got what she deserved.

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Can't help but feel sorry for Benemunde. Don't get me wrong, she was a total bitch, but getting ditched for a 15 year old, completely ignored for years and finally ending up getting forced to commit "suicide" by order of the person she loved was pretty fucked up.
 
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A nice episode in general, I do wonder how much trickery will be done to get him down! But well let's see what's next.
 
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This assassination subplot was very good. The only problem was that the Marquis waited way too long to kill her. She took to long to poison Annerose and she could have just done it in the car or something. Other than that, it was very good. I loved the way that Reindhart said "don't think you'll get away with that again" to the other guy who wanted him dead at the end. It reminded me a lot of that part in Berserk when
 
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I always thought Annerose was like 30+. I guess it's the way she carries herself..

Marquise Benemude is a complete idiot. Why not befriend Annerose instead and then give her the wine while sharing a drink with a "friend?" Surely it would have been a better plan instead of kidnapping her, drugging the drink infront of her, and then explaining in details how you are about to ruin her image. I do feel a bit sad for her though.

I think this episode is setting up a much bigger feud between Reinhard and Flegel(?) for later on in the story.

Kircheis winning more best bro points by saving the sister of his best friend also.
 
May 6, 2015 9:14 PM

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Good episode, quite serious towards the end.
 
May 21, 2015 9:14 PM

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Loved this episode. I love how LoGH will have an episode like this that'll feature a minor character that we won't see again, but it adds more depth to the world and even adds a bit to the overarching plot.

I loved Benemude's over the top drama, but I can see where she's coming from. Kinda. lol.
 
May 23, 2015 12:20 PM

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Fantastic episode, my favourite so far. She deserved to die though, how dare she spitted on Reinhard's face ? Disgraceful bitch lmao.
 
May 27, 2015 11:57 AM

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I find this anime really interesting. I love both main characters so far. The FPA seems more high tech and modern and the Empire being like 1800s royalty. I enjoy both societies but I definitely find the workings and schemes of the Imperial Court more interesting so far. Reminds me of the count of Monte Cristo in a way.

Am I rooting for the Empire or FPA? I really don't even know. What I enjoy the most is these guys quickly coming
up the ranks and gaining power in their respective societies. I'm really interested in who my fav character out of these two will be by the end of the anime!
 
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I definitely enjoyed this episode. The women got what she deserved.
 
Jun 30, 2015 8:31 AM

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She took her time in trying to kill her.
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Jul 16, 2015 2:49 PM

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Annerose is too much of a goody. Try to forgive the Sussana? I think not. I would've helped hold her down and forced the poison down her throat.

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that was stupid
 
Aug 10, 2015 10:49 PM

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Marquise Benemude was beautiful.
Oh well, a sad destiny.
Many would act the way she did.
 
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