One Piece Chapter 1044 Discussion

MuzainaR said:

I’m confused now. What did chopper eat cuz I though he ate the Human- Human fruit ????

Napeti said:


Personally I have a bit of an issue with that explanation. The fact that they actually send Cp9 to guard Gomu Gomu no mi, that they imprison him for failing to do so and that they were actively looking for this DF over the course of 800 years suggest that they actually still see it as at least some sort of threat. And if so it is hard not to wonder why they didn't try to do anything about Luffy when he was relatively weak and could be defeated without assigning any major resources to do so. I could understand that they didn't know about him until he start his journey, and that they maybe didn't want to act on rumours, I could even understand that they didn't want to attract any additional attention to him in case someone could figure it out that his DF is more powerful then it seems. But we are talking about pirate who start a war against WG and punched Celestial Dragon, they have plenty of reasons and opportunities to take him down. They didn't even have to allocate any additional resources to do so all they have to do is make his head a priority for Kizaru during Sabody incident which wouldn't even be that odd taking in account that he was actually main offender there. They have months to try it on East Blue, Paradise even at the start of New World but they never actually actively attempt to take Luffy down which is almost unbelievably weird. I mean his actions alone could justify WG sending someone with direct mission to take him down and if you add to that the DF that was consider threat enough to actively look for it and try to obtain it WG actions seems almost impossible to explain.

And that is actually only of the issues I personally have with this recent revelation. I actually still think that it is not unreasonable to call this powerup Luffy got an asspull. Yea I know that Nika name was mentioned before, and quite recently it was mentioned that one Devil Fruit has fake name due to WG actions as well as well as it was hinted that Gomu Gomu no mi is somehow important but I'm still not convinced. I think my main problem here is that Luffy actually got this power up seemingly out of thin air. In the past each time he got major power up it was result of either him getting and inspiration from one of his enemies or actual training he have to go through. But this time I fail to see how any of his previous experiences could lead to him awakening this power.

I also don't like the idea of Gomu Gomu no Mi being Zoan. Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't it actually a first time we see a Zoan fruit with seemingly no source in real life? I believe up to this point Zoan fruits was always entities that you could at least hear of in real life that were portraited with a pinch of creativity from Oda that often lead to them having some surprising powers. But no matter how hard I look I just don't see any supposed god with rubber body in real life mythologies not to mention them beeing somehow related to the Sun. It kinda feels like this is the first Zoan based purely on entity created in One Piece world kinda makes me feel it is a cheap trick.

Also I believe with this revelation we are dangerously close to Luffy actually being a chosen one. I mean we know that Joy Boy is supposed to be some sort of liberator destined to do at least few things including opening Wano borders and I was okay with that until there was possiblity of Joy Boy being simply a title which would mean anyone from One Piece world could achieve that. But with Joy Boy being closely tied with Gomu Gomu no Mi it kinda feels like Luffy as a Gomu Gomu no Mi was destined to that instead. And concept of chosen one seem to be lazy plot point that just doesn't fit Luffy very well - he is someone who wants to be trully free and just following your destiny does not fit that concept very well imo.

Got quite a bit sidetrack here but felt like I really would like to discuss about that, and actually would love to be proven wrong here as this plot point is making it much harder to enjoy what was until now one of my favourite series of all time.

Brack said:
The World Government can't draw too much attention to the importance of Luffy's Devil Fruit. Going heavily after Luffy early in his career would have been a mistake. Just let the system do its work, the pirate dies and we quietly try to track the fruit down again.

The fact that they didn't immediately execute Who's Who, and instead locked him up, points to them not wanting to draw attention to the importance of that particular Devil Fruit. Otherwise you'd have people immediately seeking it out every time a user died, much like Doflamingo did with Ace's fruit.

In this very chapter they are happy to have lost a skilled agent and angered Kaido in order to remove the possibility that anyone could have realised the true nature of the fruit. In their minds they can assign Luffy to history as one of many ambitious young pirates crushed by the 3 (now 2) power system.

Of course, we, the readers, know that they are very much wrong about this assumption.

Napeti said:


I have two issues with that logic. First of all WG have no issues with targeting Robin directly just because she have ability to read Poneglyphs and they don't seem to care that much about bringing attention to her ability this way. So why they approach would be so different when it comes to Luffy?

Also this theory kinda stops being valid during Enies Lobby arc. Luffy literally declares war against WG during this arc so if WG would target him after that it would actually seem like quite natural thing to do just because of Luffys actions so there should not be any suspicion around it and thus there should be no risk of bringing attention to Gomu Gomu no Mi. Not to mention that after that Luffy provided another excuses for WG to try to take him down during Sabody Island arc and Impel Down and yet there seem to be no proactive attempt to take him down.

Forever_A said:

3- Luffy doesn't have a normal or hybrid form. No other zoan is like that, and none of them gives power to the human form. Oda cleary didn't plan it at all from the beginning.

abystoma2 said:

Considering how Nika seems to be pretty much humanoid, would Luffy's usual form be the hybrid one, having the Luffy body mixed with the Nika's body of rubber?

FMmatron said:


I don't see how targeting Robin brought much attention to her ability. She was wanted for destroying warhsips at the age of or so it was sold to the world. CP9 is a secret organisation and the newspaper didn't mention Robin, nor was her bounty increased by much after the Enies Lobby incident. The Wold Goverment is still after Robin, but rather low-key




As for the second point. Post Enies Lobby they sent Kuma to assist Moria to take down the Straw Hats if necessary. Kuma failed and he helped the crew escape at Sabaody. Luffy went missing post Marineford. And after the Straw Hat's reunion there weren't many chances to take down Luffy.

I'd say it's not perfectly satisfying overall, but not completely implausible either.

Napeti said:


If they could go secretly after Robin they could do the same with Luffy especially since Who's Who story proves that they valued Gomu Gomu no Mi enough to get CP9 envolved to obtain it. And as you said targeting Robin wouldn't necessarily bring attention to her ability to read Polneglyphs but neither would targeting Luffy bring attention to Gomu Gomu no Mi. Just both cases could be considered unnatural if revealed which in the end could lead to someone trying to find a true reason behind it. Yet despite Robin and Luffys cases being quite similar the WG actions seems to be completly different and I just fail to see any compelling reason why would that be.

And IIRC Kuma actually didn't come to Thriller Bark with mission to assist Moria with taking down Straw Hats. I'm pretty sure his initial orders was just to inform Moria about Blackbeard replacing Crocodile as a Shichibukai and giving him a warning to not lose against SH but I'm pretty sure that when Moria asked Kuma himself confirmed that his orders did not include assisting him in any way. He attacked Strawhats as part of new orders he recieved after reporting that Moria was taken down in an attempt to not make word spread that another Shichibukai was defeated. Not something that I would call true attempt to take Luffy down, if anything I would say it make it look like WG would not care about Luffy at all if he didn't encounter Moria in the first place.

VolKur said:
@Mei-o_Scarlett @Ayu_01
I didn't get spoiled on the chapter other than the title and Luffy's fruit real. Again I swear to god that I'm not spoiled on the chapter, other than Luffy's devil fruit & Title of the chapter.
My 1st comment, literally is nothing but the title of the chapter itself.

FMmatron said:
I think we also got a potenial explanation as to why Luffy looks like he does in Gear 4th and why Hyogoro took him for a guardian deity and as to why Gear 4th got so many variations. It's really neat how it adds up. I also want to see Luffy taking a Rumble Ball so badly.

@Mei-o_Scarlett nice Blackbeard could be a Zoan too take

Sun vs Darkness

Ayu_01 said:

NO surprises there. lol , the chapter was so hype no one can escape it XD XD

Calherbie said:
The fact that 60 people got this far into One Piece and decided to vote that they hated this chapter.... unforgivable.

Mikasa said:


This comment really demonstrates the sunk cost fallacy... for both sides really.

The fact that fans like you think you need to keep liking it if you've made this far, and the fact that fans like me keep watching it even after it's gone to shit.

Sakuta002766 said:


"the fact that fans like me keep watching it even after it's gone to shit."
Is this supposed to be a joke?

Mikasa said:


It did become a joke, really. It's kinda like the mess that GOT S8 was and that has its own kind of entertainment.

Sakuta002766 said:


So you agree that your comment is joke? Because i was talking about your funny Comment

" It's kinda like the mess that GOT S8 was and that has its own kind of entertainment."

Agree, aot really become mess just like got S8.

Mikasa said:


Lol why is it that insecure fans bring up other works in an irrelevant thread? Is this an ego thing?

"This person criticized my favorite manga its discussion thread so I'll just creep through their profile and try to hurt them like they hurt me >;("

This only goes to prove my point, OP fans are just rabid, devoid of thought, and unable to take criticism like adults.

Sakuta002766 said:


"why is it that insecure fans bring up other works in an irrelevant thread? Is this an ego thing?"
You are really saying this?? Lol

This past of ypur comment is still funny tho-
"the fact that fans like me keep watching it even after it's gone to shit."

"OP fans are just rabid, devoid of thought, and unable to take criticism like adults."
If you change this to aot and hxh from op this statement won't change

Example -
"aot fans are just rabid, devoid of thought, and unable to take criticism like adults"