| I call this a case of big horny that weebs have. |
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| only westerners complain about sexy woman. they are not allowed an opinion so no one cares. |
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| It's anime we're talking about why do people care if they are sexualized? It's nothing new in the industry. I already see some people complaining about Iruru design for her being 'not proportional' enough or 'little girls don't have boobs that big'. I'm sick of that. Deal with it. My response to your post, yes, people shouldn't complain about sexualized anime characters. |
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| I completely agree. I'd say the same exact thing to people who complain about female outfits in games. I'm carrying around comically large swords and guns and killing hoards of monsters and people complain about the unrealistic armor. I'll never understand that. |
FanofActionFeb 25, 2021 6:30 PM
FanofAction said: I don't think many people complain about sexualization of armors as much as they ridicule the impracticality of it.I completely agree. I'd say the same exact thing to people who complain about female outfits in games. I'm caring around comically large swords and guns and killing hoards of monsters and people complain about the unrealistic armor. I'll never understand that. You are fighting monsters and your armor is a metal bikini, that's just hilarious and impractical. Ridicule is not the same as complaining. |
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| I think it's because some people have the misunderstanding that a character being sexy means the sex appeal was the priority or that the author didn't think the character could stand on their own from just the way they're in the story. Being sexy and being a good character aren't mutually exclusive, so these really are just misunderstandings. I can maybe understand these kinds of criticisms if it's a sexy but completely one dimensional character in a cast of well written characters, but complaining about a good character being sexy doesn't feel like actual proper criticism unless it's just that distracting. |
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| Quick question, aren't haikyuu characters bishounen? |
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Judevin said: FanofAction said: I don't think many people complain about sexualization of armors as much as they ridicule the impracticality of it.I completely agree. I'd say the same exact thing to people who complain about female outfits in games. I'm caring around comically large swords and guns and killing hoards of monsters and people complain about the unrealistic armor. I'll never understand that. You are fighting monsters and your armor is a metal bikini, that's just hilarious and impractical. Ridicule is not the same as complaining. we're just trying to see some voluptuous titties bounce mid-fight. we can't see them bounce with a full suit of armor my dude |
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waifusimpin said: No I get that, I'm down for fan service too.Judevin said: I don't think many people complain about sexualization of armors as much as they ridicule the impracticality of it. You are fighting monsters and your armor is a metal bikini, that's just hilarious and impractical. Ridicule is not the same as complaining. we're just trying to see some voluptuous titties bounce mid-fight. we can't see them bounce with a full suit of armor my dude But my point is people don't complain about sexualization in anime but make fun of how impractical it is. As I said making fun of a design isn't the same as complaining. FanofAction said: Again, if you just take Iruru's example.Judevin said: I don't think many people complain about sexualization of armors as much as they ridicule the impracticality of it. You are fighting monsters and your armor is a metal bikini, that's just hilarious and impractical. Ridicule is not the same as complaining. It was mostly a response to that last bit at the end rather than the post as a whole. I know it's not just about the sexualization. But going back to anime, I'm expected to believe that within these worlds, it's perfectly normal for a shirtless or barely clothed character to take on entire armies or giant monsters and come out relatively ok. I don't see why that logic shouldn't be applied to games as well. Her design is ridiculous, like comically funny, even the manga makes fun of her design. So people calling her design weird aren't complaining but rather just making fun and commenting on her design. I think a lot of people don't understand the difference between a complaint and mockery. |
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Judevin said: waifusimpin said: No I get that, I'm down for fan service too.we're just trying to see some voluptuous titties bounce mid-fight. we can't see them bounce with a full suit of armor my dude But my point is people don't complain about sexualization in anime but make fun of how impractical it is. As I said making fun of a design isn't the same as complaining. FanofAction said: Again, if you just take Iruru's example.It was mostly a response to that last bit at the end rather than the post as a whole. I know it's not just about the sexualization. But going back to anime, I'm expected to believe that within these worlds, it's perfectly normal for a shirtless or barely clothed character to take on entire armies or giant monsters and come out relatively ok. I don't see why that logic shouldn't be applied to games as well. Her design is ridiculous, like comically funny, even the manga makes fun of her design. So people calling her design weird aren't complaining but rather just making fun and commenting on her design. I think a lot of people don't understand the difference between a complaint and mockery. I get that .I just find weird that people would focus on one specific aspect. If you're going to poke fun at something, you might as well poke fun at the whole thing. How is skimpy armor any more ridiculous than anything else that's happening is these games? |
FanofAction said: I think ridiculous games own up to it often.Judevin said: No I get that, I'm down for fan service too. But my point is people don't complain about sexualization in anime but make fun of how impractical it is. As I said making fun of a design isn't the same as complaining. Again, if you just take Iruru's example. Her design is ridiculous, like comically funny, even the manga makes fun of her design. So people calling her design weird aren't complaining but rather just making fun and commenting on her design. I think a lot of people don't understand the difference between a complaint and mockery. I get that .I just find weird that people would focus on one specific aspect. If you're going to poke fun at something, you might as well poke fun at the whole thing. How is skimpy armor any more ridiculous than anything else that's happening is these games? Take Dante from DMC or Bayonetta, they know their games are over the top. They own it, you know they're weird because the MCs literally admit they're weird. Their designs are sexualized and pure fan service as well. Problem with anime or say some games is that they try to present themselves as much serious, but then the character designs are goofy looking and you're just left feeling confused. You either dedicate everything to being weird or you dedicate everything to being serious. If you half-ass either it just becomes shitty writing. That is the problem with some RPG games, they have this serious foreboding plot, and then your character is running around in a metal bikini, it creates a disconnect in the universe. Doesn't have to be the female either, a guy wearing just pants fighting monsters bare chested would be just as weird, because it doesn't fit the theme of the story. |
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Judevin said: FanofAction said: I think ridiculous games own up to it often.I get that .I just find weird that people would focus on one specific aspect. If you're going to poke fun at something, you might as well poke fun at the whole thing. How is skimpy armor any more ridiculous than anything else that's happening is these games? Take Dante from DMC or Bayonetta, they know their games are over the top. They own it, you know they're weird because the MCs literally admit they're weird. Their designs are sexualized and pure fan service as well. Problem with anime or say some games is that they try to present themselves as much serious, but then the character designs are goofy looking and you're just left feeling confused. You either dedicate everything to being weird or you dedicate everything to being serious. If you half-ass either it just becomes shitty writing. That is the problem with some RPG games, they have this serious foreboding plot, and then your character is running around in a metal bikini, it creates a disconnect in the universe. Doesn't have to be the female either, a guy wearing just pants fighting monsters bare chested would be just as weird, because it doesn't fit the theme of the story. Ok, that's completely fair. I just prefer to look at these as worlds that aren't restricted by the same logic as ours. I've heard it helps some people to just assume that there's some kind of magical element at play. This isn't "normal" armor but instead "magic" armor. Sure, it's a lame way to explain things, but it works to an extent. |
| Obviously because we want more sexy topless men. If we can't then you shouldn't too. |
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| If a person's opinion is just their personal taste, it's kinda rude for someone else to tell them what they should or shouldn't like. And this goes both ways, both for stuff like "you shouldn't like this because it's objectifying" and for stuff like "you shouldn't dislike this because sexualization complaints make no sense". FanofAction said: Regarding a criticism based on realism, i.e. "It's bad because it's not realistic", I agree.I just find weird that people would focus on one specific aspect. If you're going to poke fun at something, you might as well poke fun at the whole thing. How is skimpy armor any more ridiculous than anything else that's happening is these games? Though, I think people should just come out and say they prefer or disprefer something on a personal basis. It's just their taste. If they would prefer a certain thing to look more realistic, that's just their taste. And people (and other people) should acknowledge that other people can have different tastes than themselves. |
| Avatar character is Gabriel from Gabriel DropOut. |
| It is not really a problem of finding characters who are not sexualized sexualized, but rather misinterpreting the term "sexualizing". Progressives especially, tend to think that making a character cute or handsome is sexualizing him and gaining commercialization based on that. It is not that they are hot people, but people so delicate with beauty that they cannot see something beautiful and call it sexualized or exploited. |
| Well you can't really expect realism in anime . There isn't a point in complaining . |
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| Well, they don't call it Rule 34 for nothing. |
GlennMagusHarvey said: If a person's opinion is just their personal taste, it's kinda rude for someone else to tell them what they should or shouldn't like. And this goes both ways, both for stuff like "you shouldn't like this because it's objectifying" and for stuff like "you shouldn't dislike this because sexualization complaints make no sense". FanofAction said: Regarding a criticism based on realism, i.e. "It's bad because it's not realistic", I agree.I just find weird that people would focus on one specific aspect. If you're going to poke fun at something, you might as well poke fun at the whole thing. How is skimpy armor any more ridiculous than anything else that's happening is these games? Though, I think people should just come out and say they prefer or disprefer something on a personal basis. It's just their taste. If they would prefer a certain thing to look more realistic, that's just their taste. And people (and other people) should acknowledge that other people can have different tastes than themselves. Agree that people should be more willing to accept not everyone likes/dislikes the same things, nor should they. Too many times I've come across people with the "I hate this therefore it should not exist" mentality. |
MinorTatu said: This isn't a "But men get sexualised too!" post Here and there you'll see people complain about the design of an anime character (usually girl) for being too sexualised. Chest too big, or a waist too thin. And sometimes I can agree but... If we take a famous example like Levi, or the Haikyuu dudes, they get sexualised without even trying. They're fully clothed, but people still find them hot. So if in the end: Barely clothed, the character gets lewded Fully clothed, the character gets lewded What are we complaining for? Is it realism? You're watching a show where a guy shoots tape out of his elbow.... This is the STUPEDEST thing I've heard all day LOOOL are u serious? Why is this even a discussion? Do u even know the meaning of sexualised? There's a HUGE difference between PURPOSFULLY trying to make a character look sexy & making them LOOK LIKE HUMANS/have certain personalities. It's not about what the viewers think or feel because no one can fully control that, rather it's about what the ARTIST IS TRYING TO DO. And I will complain & keep complaining. |
Hydre_ItoFeb 26, 2021 4:10 AM
| People will sexualize everyone and everything Source trust me bro, I was on rule 34 |
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| "They'll be sexualised regardless", I completely agree. If I had anything to complain about it would be one of two things: 1.Characters from certain anime get their designs unnecessarily changed (some times more, some times less). In fan-art and diujinshi. 2.More characters from more anime should be sexualised. An anime like SAO gets plenty of sexualisation. While "Nagi no Asukara" doesn't get enough, or gets only a sliver. |
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| You have a point... I mean, rule34 exists for a reason. Even if a character has normal proportions, is wearing a lot of clothing at all times, and is not a seductive or flirty kind of character SOMEONE out there is going to draw rule34 NSFW art of that character. Just the way things go lol. |
CrimsonMidnight said: Obviously because we want more sexy topless men. If we can't then you shouldn't too. Listen, I'm as horny for Makoto as the next guy, but what's the point of looking at someone topless? |
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| I'm pretty sure the reason changes from person to person. But I find your comparisons weird, since your male examples are characters who to my knowledge don't get sexualized by the marketing nor in the actual show and it's just fan(girl)s creating their own content. Actually I think I have seen quite often on MAL people complaining about those fans who do that, and usually it involves some comment how they're ruining the show/character for the commenter. If I am complaining how a character gets treated or about their design (in this case making it overtly sexual), I'd say it's more about how I feel the writer/artist doesn't actually want to treat said character beyond blank object to insert their wants and that only definite trait of said character is they're sexy. It is even more glaring to me if other characters (often male characters) will get their own scenes to shine. Having a character who has big tits isn't in itself sexualizing, writing that character in a way where all her scenes involve something about that fact is more like it. Like lets take a male character here. I doubt anyone would call character Guts sexualized because in the movies we had few scenes of his bara tits jiggling and people have created gifs of those for people to ogle at. However if every scene where camera was on him included that yes he would be sexualized). Other is if there's no variety in characters and everyone gets the sexy treatment, then it's just boring to me. I'm not a big fan on idea just because some female character has big breasts people call it lewd or whatever. For some reason I have seen more people doing that, I blame hentai. |
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| I still don't get why people want plain looking characters in dragon maid, if you remove the sexiness, that show would not have been so popular, look at sansha sanyou, who the hell knows that that anime exists. Dragon Maid was intended to be sexy, adding another big chested chick in the next season is a no brainer, it's like adding another waifu in your usual harem anime, people get bored of the same chicks. |
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| @MinorTatu if we're going to call having attractive characters as sexualizing then every Disney movie would also be sexualized. I think idealized word would fit better in that context and sexualization would start to lose its meaning if it's used to describe something like hq! male characters. And I'm not up to date with aot merchandising, since it's far from my favorite show, but if fans didn't find Levi attractive would you then say he's not sexualized? Since I'd imagine any merch is done due to demand. I know plenty of people went all horny over the scene where Levi beats Eren in season 1, but I doubt it was the main intent to get out of that scene. Ah if my comment came out as sounding me thinking sexualization itself is a problem, that isn't the case. While in some few cases it could be done in bad taste I don't believe it is a bane in media or pop culture. That's overall just my "issue" with characters designed to be sexy in media also beyond anime. Mostly how female characters get written, sometimes how male character is written. |
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| Probably because they are insecure about their own bodies. xD I personally don't like the new character in Dragon Maid's body proportions...because it just looks really ridiculous. So I'll critique it from an artist's POV instead of an SJW's. Uzaki-chan looked fine but this new girl looks pregnant in the wrong place. |
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Seiya said: CrimsonMidnight said: Obviously because we want more sexy topless men. If we can't then you shouldn't too. Listen, I'm as horny for Makoto as the next guy, but what's the point of looking at someone topless? The same point of looking at someone big boobs? |
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| You see, if it was that simple, every character could be fully naked and that wouldn't impact your experience. In fact, I believe that's feasible in a sense, and it's sort of how I felt towards Kill la Kill - everyone was so "undressed" all the time that it just didn't matter anymore. The problem, in my opinion, is when animes start adding scenes and dialogue just for the sexualization and objectification of characters. It's very common. It makes characters poor and annoying, and often derails the story, and spoils my enjoyment. In short, I don't care if you want to add a hot woman/man who is always naked in your cast, just don't make the characters and their participation in the story stupid and useless because of that aspect. |
CrimsonMidnight said: Seiya said: Listen, I'm as horny for Makoto as the next guy, but what's the point of looking at someone topless? The same point of looking at someone big boobs? Well, I'm not attracted to naked people. I only care about faces and hairsyles. I don't mind seeing someone in a sexy outfit, but if they take their clothes off, I get turned off. Am I the only person like this? |
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LegionCrow said: The issue at hand might be bad storytelling and frustrated expectations. Some anime can pull off sexualizing characters if that's not the entire focus of the anime. If they can't pull that off, it seems like a cheap strategy to get views, making it detrimental. And a few apples spoil the bunch. All you need is contact with a single anime that does that cheap trick and trauma installs itself in your brain. I remember loving High School of The Dead for having the Romero approach to zombies, engaging survival activities, etc... Then the first few episodes ended and they simply left school... and there was some weird ballistic boobies? Also something about being peed on by a middle schooler...?!!! Then when they reached living together with a naked samurai girl on an apron I quit because the plot was never going to develop further from that. Point is I might have missed the best storytelling ever (maybe? past that point...?) because the anime was too focused on fan-servicing to deliver what it promised: a good zombie flick with Japanese high-schoolers (just thinking about this concept makes me poop my pants in excitement). And that actually pushed me off some good titles, because they would also focus on sexualization to a boiling point. It took me till last week to watch Tenkū Shinpan which was actually good entertainment. Nothing masterpiece material. But solid entertainment. I actually agree with you on this. Sometimes shows with potential just mess up by oversexualizing characters and practically ignoring any form of plot. Although I think Highschool of the Dead was pretty good, the main story could have been portrayed at least 5x better if the budget was not blown on jiggly boobs. I think complaining about it IS valid once it affects the actual story telling otherwise it's bless. |
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Kayle_x_Morgana said: Says who? Of course there is a growing opposition against objectification of females and unequal roles in society and media in Japan as well. They are pretty much still stuck in the 1950s in that area but catching up quickly. It would be nice if somebody with extremist positions like yourself would not pose as a speaker for "the west" in sweeping nonsense statements about other cultures.only westerners complain about sexy woman. they are not allowed an opinion so no one cares. EDIT PS: This is not about your and my position towards sexualization and objectification. I, for one, watched my share of anime of that type and enjoy it occasionally. The point you are randomly abusing this topic to spread extremist ideology and objective falsehoods. |
inimFeb 27, 2021 7:07 AM
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| I agree with you completely. No matter how busty or flat a anime character is they usually get hentai either way. |
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| At this point I have stopped trying to understand these people just few weeks ago everyone were gushing about the tall vampire lady from the upcoming RE game yet nobody bathed an eye at it. |
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SgtBaitMan said: Rule 34 on the Internet: If something exists, there should be porn of it. Correction: If something exists, there should will be porn of it. |
Glordit said: SgtBaitMan said: Rule 34 on the Internet: If something exists, there should be porn of it. Correction: If something exists, there should will be porn of it. Well should also means that there will be, won't they? |
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Seiya said: Well, I'm not attracted to naked people. I only care about faces and hairsyles. I don't mind seeing someone in a sexy outfit, but if they take their clothes off, I get turned off. Am I the only person like this? ahahahaha i see, that's quite interesting! not sure if you are the only one, probably not, the world is a big place, there are all kind of ppl out there xD tho I'm too, prefer clothed over naked -the more clothing the better-, this, however doesn't cancel my love for big boobs and muscles lol. But yeah, topless men always a feast to my eyes, so it'd be great if the obligatory beach episode also feature topless muscled men :> this is another reason why I love shounen :D muscles, torn clothes, and all that yumm. but ofc face and hairstyle also matter a lot, like, no offense to saitama fans but i cannot take his face and hair (or lack of it lmao) seriously, even tho his body is sexy lol. |
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