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Aug 30, 2020 1:48 PM
#1
Call it whatever sometimes I've heard it been called hysteria. Extreme example would be Ataque de nervios or "Puerto Rican syndrome" seems to affect Hispanic women like when they're shouting and screaming and it looks like they're going to have a brain aneurysm. Or maybe a lesser one is just constant nagging or creating drama instead of having a rational discussion. There's lots of such portrayal in media and also general banter among men. In my experience men are generally more passive. The only times I see men explode is due to overly internalising problems or suffering la folie circulaire "circular insanity" or folie à double forme "madness in double form". Or from maybe a spouse constantly nagging with no proper communication. So just wondering if anyone thinks they may have an implicit bias to see men as more cool and collected and women perhaps the opposite. It's not "wrong" or "right" to have a bias in this context, and it's better to just discuss your general views and what builds around them without assigning the blame that comes from acting according to your bias. |
Aug 30, 2020 1:54 PM
#2
Traditionally, yes, nowadays so many "men" are effeminate and purposefully try to mimic women that it's a lot more mixed now. The opposite is ironically true for women but always has been; a lot of their views are simply based on whatever the guys they like feel, and so they can't really argue properly because they don't know why they hold those views or what those views really mean. So in a debate situation they don't know what to do. |
Aug 30, 2020 1:55 PM
#3
Men can be emotional, irrational and ignorant cunts too. Everybody is a cunt these days. Here's a cunt. There's a cunt. Every where's a dumb cunt. |
Aug 30, 2020 1:57 PM
#4
In general, yes women do overreact more. |
Aug 30, 2020 1:58 PM
#5
I know about hysteria or "crise de nerfs" (well-studied by psychiatry since Freud), but I have never heard about the expression "folie circulaire" or "folie à double forme", where did you read or hear about those last two terms? |
Aug 30, 2020 1:58 PM
#6
ah shit op you really had to ask this didnt you time to grab some popcorn i guess id say that even if it were true men and women both have their own set of emotional problems and traumas that require healing |
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Aug 30, 2020 2:02 PM
#7
Not to stereotype women or anyone for that matter, but in general women are usually more emotional or abrupt when it comes to reactions (and just in general.) I mean just thinking about it, I'm sure *most* people who are familiar with both parents can say that their mom did a lot more nagging than their father |
Aug 30, 2020 2:17 PM
#8
simone_eatsdirt said: Not to stereotype women or anyone for that matter, but in general women are usually more emotional or abrupt when it comes to reactions (and just in general.) I mean just thinking about it, I'm sure *most* people who are familiar with both parents can say that their mom did a lot more nagging than their father Because in more traditional families she usually is or might be the one responsible for everything in the household and others sit on their lazy ass doing nothing. You have to see the reasons behind this kind of stereotypes. I have seen sons of such families moving out and not even knowing how a bank account works or how to cook the simplest meals in the first year or the first few years. They usually live either in a chaotic mess too (not just chaotic but dirty and disgusting, because they have no concept and routine on how to clean on their own) or worse: mommy comes over to help her little boy cleaning and sometimes also with the cooking. One university friend / my kinda ex boyfriend was like too and I kicked his ass (metaphorically - most times...) to grow the fuck up with 23 years. He said I complain as much as his mom. Then you know why they do lol. I mean, at least now he knows how live like a fucking adult human being. But he wasn't the only one. I witnessed this more often. |
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Aug 30, 2020 2:52 PM
#9
I'll say it's pretty equal. For example, competitive video games are full of men overreacting and freaking out because they got killed in a stupid game. I wouldn't chop any of this up to gender if it feels like one gender tends to overreact to a specific thing more than another, it's usually a social/environmental reason. Like video games that are competitive, tend to have more men in them from the start which is why men are overrepresented in my example. And @ _Maneki-Neko_ did a good job explaining the nagging stereotype. |
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Aug 30, 2020 2:57 PM
#10
It's a stereotype and just like with all stereotypes it's true for some and not for others. There is no way to prove conclusively which gender overacts more. “I often wonder why the whole world is so prone to generalise. Generalisations are seldom if ever true and are usually utterly inaccurate.” ― Agatha Christie, Murder at the Vicarage |
Aug 30, 2020 2:59 PM
#11
I can only speak for myself when I say I know I overreact to literally everything. That may also be because I am in a state of being extremely hormonal constantly. But if we are talking women I know I dont particularly count, hence why I say I only speak for myself. |
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Aug 30, 2020 3:20 PM
#12
Meusnier said: it's the first conception of a biphasic mental illness causing recurrent oscillations between mania and melancholia, due to the confusion and mysticism around psychosis (which is a term used in the time of Freud as an important label, but has been largely discarded in favour of other terms which are still in flux). anyway, I avoid using the english term "bipolar" because of the associated misconceptions and negative connotations. like every anecdote i come across portrays the person as experiencing euphoric moods and increased productivity or creativity, when it's often not the case. the mania I refer to is agitation and irritability which is still increased psychomotor energy. this can also present in mood incongruence or inappropriate reactions and affective state vs situation at hand.I know about hysteria or "crise de nerfs" (well-studied by psychiatry since Freud), but I have never heard about the expression "folie circulaire" or "folie à double forme", where did you read or hear about those last two terms? _Nette_ said: nah you will probably be the least biased here from your perspective as you are now treated like a female and accordingly soI can only speak for myself when I say I know I overreact to literally everything. That may also be because I am in a state of being extremely hormonal constantly. But if we are talking women I know I dont particularly count, hence why I say I only speak for myself. Peaceful_Critic said: shit I've witnessed some scary gamer rage at small Lan events so that's some manchild type anecdotes.I'll say it's pretty equal. For example, competitive video games are full of men overreacting and freaking out because they got killed in a stupid game. I wouldn't chop any of this up to gender if it feels like one gender tends to overreact to a specific thing more than another, it's usually a social/environmental reason. Like video games that are competitive, tend to have more men in them from the start which is why men are overrepresented in my example. And @ _Maneki-Neko_ did a good job explaining the nagging stereotype. as for the nagging stereotype, maybe the problem can be in part due to bad communication from the man or even lack thereof. I prefer to look at it from gender perspectives as this is still the current societal norm and most people live with the same unconscious distinction in mind |
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Aug 30, 2020 3:41 PM
#13
Eh, the women at my workplace are mostly calmer than the men. If there is such a stereotype, I haven't seen it in action. Bring forth the statistics. |
Aug 30, 2020 4:21 PM
#14
@Korishi I prefer to look at it from gender perspectives as this is still the current societal norm and most people live with the same unconscious distinction in mind The reason why it is a societal norm has a lot to do with society itself. If you are going to stereotype, it's more helpful to look at it through that lens and not just end with: "women are more emotional" as that can be used for sexist beliefs. |
Aug 30, 2020 4:27 PM
#15
@Peaceful_Critic what? like I said already, I'm not looking for wrong or right, just discussing why this stereotype exists. something like "nagging" could even just be a perceived experience by someone avoiding responsibility. maybe, or maybe not. |
Aug 30, 2020 4:52 PM
#16
Korishi said: I meant that Society affects the way people act and I think that your OP probably shouldn't have just left it at: "women are more emotional imo" with little to no analysis because I'm worried about the ways it can be used. @Peaceful_Critic what? like I said already, I'm not looking for wrong or right, just discussing why this stereotype exists. something like "nagging" could even just be a perceived experience by someone avoiding responsibility. maybe, or maybe not. If you want to discuss the reasons why this stereotype exists, that's fine by me. I have nothing against you personally. I'm just worried about what some people would take away from this thread. |
Aug 30, 2020 4:57 PM
#17
its just traditional gender roles imo like we males grow up being taught to never show emotion as showing emotion is weakness (unless its anger that is considered good for battle) and etc while females do not have that taught to them |
Aug 30, 2020 4:59 PM
#18
Yes, stereotypes exist for a reason, they have some truth in them, otherwise it wouldn't be a stereotype. |
Aug 30, 2020 5:05 PM
#19
I've only had one calm woman the rest of them though... were Procedurally-Generated-overheating-reactors (constantly required a bucket of cold water at the top of their heads). |
Aug 30, 2020 5:14 PM
#20
operationvalkyri said: I found the perfect statistical analysis for you then(https://www.icos.umich.edu/sites/default/files/lecturereadinglists/Leading_with_their_Hearts-Brescoll%20%282016%29%20Leadership%20Quarterly.pdf):Eh, the women at my workplace are mostly calmer than the men. If there is such a stereotype, I haven't seen it in action. Bring forth the statistics. "Specifically, female leaders can be penalized for even minor or moderate displays of emotion, especially when the emotion conveys dominance (e.g., anger or pride), but being emotionally unexpressive may also result in penalties because unemotional women are seen as failing to fulfill their warm, communal role as women"-pg 1 "Since people conflate control over emotional display with control over the “biasing” influence of emotions on thoughts and behavior, and women are less likely than men to control the outward display of their emotions, then people may view women's decisions and behaviors as more influenced by their emotions. Furthermore, since there is a strong lay belief that emotions detract from effective decision making and behavior, then women, as a result, may also be seen as irrational, lacking objectivity, biased, unstable, unpredictable, and sentimental (Citrin & Roberts, 2004). Supporting this argument, one study found that when people were asked to predict men's and women's responses to emotion-eliciting events, they believed that only women would react in an incompetent and irrational manner because of their inability to handle their emotions (Zammuner, 2000). Specifically, while people believed that men would control their emotions and “intervene in the situation,” they believed that women would be unable to “keep calm” and would thereby be “confused” and “bewildered” by the events. Thus, women's (anticipated) inability to control the expression of their emotion was linked to their irrational and incompetent response to such events."-pg 4 "Indeed, women's emotional displays are more likely to be attributed to something internal to them, such as their personality, rather than due to some feature of the external environment or the situation (Barrett & Bliss-Moreau, 2009). For example, one experiment found that people were more likely to say that a female target became angry because “She is just an angry person” while a male target got angry because “The situation caused his anger” (Brescoll, 2006). "-pg 5 " This is because when people attribute gender differences to internal factors (e.g., differences in hormones, genes, personality, etc.), they view those differences as fixed and immutable, likely persisting over time and across situations (Brescoll, Uhlmann, & Newman, 2013; Martin & Parker, 1995). Thus, when observing men and women behaving differently, people are more likely to discount or ignore the situational and contextual factors that may be causing the gender stereotypical behavior, instead viewing such behavior as reflecting an essential, deepseated feature of the true nature of men and women. "- pg 5 "Although passionate restraint is perceived as the ideal form of emotion display for men (Zawadzki, Warner, & Shields, 2013), male leaders will not be punished if they fail to engage in this restrained form of emotional display (Brescoll & Uhlmann, 2008). Thus, male leaders have a very straightforward default strategy for navigating display rules; they can choose to not express emotion and they will still be seen favorably. In contrast, female leaders do not have the luxury of such a straightforward default strategy; if they fail to express emotion, they risk being seen as cold and unlikable. Thus, women leaders may find themselves in a double-bind when it comes to emotion displays—they can be “damned if they do (express emotion)” and “damned if they don't (express emotion)” (Shields, 2002)."-pg 7 "However, Brescoll and Uhlmann (2008) found that anger did not yield increases in status for women as it did for men. Specifically, a series of experiments revealed that female targets who displayed even very mild amounts of anger were seen as less competent, hireable, and deserving of power, status, and independence in their jobs compared to male targets displaying the identical amount of anger"- pg 8 "In sum, beliefs about gender and emotion directly harm women leaders' chances of success but also harm organizations because, by allowing these stereotypes to bias the selection and assessment of women leaders, organizations are not effectively leveraging their entire pool of talent. Thus, organizations should consider expanding the scope of their bias awareness training programs (Moss-Racusin et al., 2014) to include information and discussions about the ways that gender–emotion stereotypes hinder women's ability to succeed in leadership roles within the organization"-pg 11 That tackles why you might see women being calmer in the workplace(they have to hold it in more to not get backlash for leadership/workplace roles) and helps OP and others explain why women seem to overreact more in their experiences(they are naturally more perceived that way due to bias and they get backlash for also not being emotional enough as an expectation for women generally). |
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Aug 30, 2020 5:21 PM
#21
Peaceful_Critic said: I'll say it's pretty equal. For example, competitive video games are full of men overreacting and freaking out because they got killed in a stupid game. I wouldn't chop any of this up to gender if it feels like one gender tends to overreact to a specific thing more than another, it's usually a social/environmental reason. Like video games that are competitive, tend to have more men in them from the start which is why men are overrepresented in my example. And @ _Maneki-Neko_ did a good job explaining the nagging stereotype. Thanks but I think these moms are kind at fault too. Some even enjoy to pamper their kids, especially sons and think in stereotypes themselves like: "A girl must learn this, but not a boy" or something. Even tho they get mad at their behavior on the other hand. A guy I knew online was a grown ass young man with 18 years and then he complained: My mom doesn't understand anything! She always shouts that the food is ready when I want to keep playing the game - and then complaining and kinda insulting his mom. I told him then that I would let him cook for himself at his age, if I were her or that he could just starve, if she cooks and he is that ungrateful lol it's not something that you should take for granted, if she still wants to cook for your grown-man ass. But these pampered kids (I mean technically he's a grown up and I expect more from a man this age) take everything for granted, of course their mom will not be stand there and smile happily at this behavior in that moment. But many give in too easily as well. |
Aug 30, 2020 5:33 PM
#22
@_Maneki-Neko_ No problem and I agree with everything you wrote in that response as well. Spoiling children too much is a parenting flaw and the mother, as you said, would also be in the wrong for doing so. |
Aug 30, 2020 5:42 PM
#23
Yes. Woman and men are different. They aren't exactly the same. |
Aug 30, 2020 11:08 PM
#25
Peaceful_Critic said: Thank you for sharing the paper. The passages you quoted are telling indeed. It seems biased will always help paint women as weak be they exhibiting traditional female traits or not. I would also be interested in seeing any biological studies of differences of emotion between the two genders and what part hormones actually play.operationvalkyri said: I found the perfect statistical analysis for you then(https://www.icos.umich.edu/sites/default/files/lecturereadinglists/Leading_with_their_Hearts-Brescoll%20%282016%29%20Leadership%20Quarterly.pdf):Eh, the women at my workplace are mostly calmer than the men. If there is such a stereotype, I haven't seen it in action. Bring forth the statistics. "Specifically, female leaders can be penalized for even minor or moderate displays of emotion, especially when the emotion conveys dominance (e.g., anger or pride), but being emotionally unexpressive may also result in penalties because unemotional women are seen as failing to fulfill their warm, communal role as women"-pg 1 "Since people conflate control over emotional display with control over the “biasing” influence of emotions on thoughts and behavior, and women are less likely than men to control the outward display of their emotions, then people may view women's decisions and behaviors as more influenced by their emotions. Furthermore, since there is a strong lay belief that emotions detract from effective decision making and behavior, then women, as a result, may also be seen as irrational, lacking objectivity, biased, unstable, unpredictable, and sentimental (Citrin & Roberts, 2004). Supporting this argument, one study found that when people were asked to predict men's and women's responses to emotion-eliciting events, they believed that only women would react in an incompetent and irrational manner because of their inability to handle their emotions (Zammuner, 2000). Specifically, while people believed that men would control their emotions and “intervene in the situation,” they believed that women would be unable to “keep calm” and would thereby be “confused” and “bewildered” by the events. Thus, women's (anticipated) inability to control the expression of their emotion was linked to their irrational and incompetent response to such events."-pg 4 "Indeed, women's emotional displays are more likely to be attributed to something internal to them, such as their personality, rather than due to some feature of the external environment or the situation (Barrett & Bliss-Moreau, 2009). For example, one experiment found that people were more likely to say that a female target became angry because “She is just an angry person” while a male target got angry because “The situation caused his anger” (Brescoll, 2006). "-pg 5 " This is because when people attribute gender differences to internal factors (e.g., differences in hormones, genes, personality, etc.), they view those differences as fixed and immutable, likely persisting over time and across situations (Brescoll, Uhlmann, & Newman, 2013; Martin & Parker, 1995). Thus, when observing men and women behaving differently, people are more likely to discount or ignore the situational and contextual factors that may be causing the gender stereotypical behavior, instead viewing such behavior as reflecting an essential, deepseated feature of the true nature of men and women. "- pg 5 "Although passionate restraint is perceived as the ideal form of emotion display for men (Zawadzki, Warner, & Shields, 2013), male leaders will not be punished if they fail to engage in this restrained form of emotional display (Brescoll & Uhlmann, 2008). Thus, male leaders have a very straightforward default strategy for navigating display rules; they can choose to not express emotion and they will still be seen favorably. In contrast, female leaders do not have the luxury of such a straightforward default strategy; if they fail to express emotion, they risk being seen as cold and unlikable. Thus, women leaders may find themselves in a double-bind when it comes to emotion displays—they can be “damned if they do (express emotion)” and “damned if they don't (express emotion)” (Shields, 2002)."-pg 7 "However, Brescoll and Uhlmann (2008) found that anger did not yield increases in status for women as it did for men. Specifically, a series of experiments revealed that female targets who displayed even very mild amounts of anger were seen as less competent, hireable, and deserving of power, status, and independence in their jobs compared to male targets displaying the identical amount of anger"- pg 8 "In sum, beliefs about gender and emotion directly harm women leaders' chances of success but also harm organizations because, by allowing these stereotypes to bias the selection and assessment of women leaders, organizations are not effectively leveraging their entire pool of talent. Thus, organizations should consider expanding the scope of their bias awareness training programs (Moss-Racusin et al., 2014) to include information and discussions about the ways that gender–emotion stereotypes hinder women's ability to succeed in leadership roles within the organization"-pg 11 That tackles why you might see women being calmer in the workplace(they have to hold it in more to not get backlash for leadership/workplace roles) and helps OP and others explain why women seem to overreact more in their experiences(they are naturally more perceived that way due to bias and they get backlash for also not being emotional enough as an expectation for women generally). |
Aug 30, 2020 11:22 PM
#26
My Mother is extremely disapproving of my occupation. She tells me that I will never understand what it feels like to give life. Only to destroy it. I told her it was her own fault for being with a reptilian and making me a hybrid half-reptilian. It is a learned behavior. Men are taught to control and suppress their emotions. It is essential to being a good Tetra Grammaton. |
Aug 31, 2020 12:06 AM
#27
This stereotype goes around constantly,I've heard it mentioned many times in conversations. But I didn't actually experience it myself,so I don't know what to think of it. Or maybe I have,but didn't recognize it. If anything else,my parents are the opposite. My mom always has to calm my dad down after a fight,and dad is the one nagging and having fits of explosive anger. You can't have a civilized discussion with him. I can't judge by myself either,as I've always been the calm collected one,in comparison to my brother. How does the opposite look like exactly and in what situations? When women are the ones overreacting. |
Aug 31, 2020 12:12 AM
#28
operationvalkyri said: No problem, I actually find statistical analysis like that way more interesting then studies by themselves. Speaking of which here's a study(https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5937254/):Thank you for sharing the paper. The passages you quoted are telling indeed. It seems biased will always help paint women as weak be they exhibiting traditional female traits or not. I would also be interested in seeing any biological studies of differences of emotion between the two genders and what part hormones actually play. "In accordance with popular beliefs, there is some evidence that in the domain of emotional expression, women display more emotion than men (Brody, 1997). However, reports of emotion measured in other domains are less straightforward. Some studies of self-reported emotional experience indicate that women may indeed be more emotionally responsive than men (Bradley et al., 2001; Fujita et al., 1991; Lucas & Gohm, 2000; Seidlitz & Diener, 1998). One limitation of these studies is that most have relied upon self-report methods, which leave them vulnerable to the effects of gender stereotypes because they ask individuals to report their experiences retrospectively (Grossman & Wood, 1993; Hess et al., 2000). When retrospective and stereotypical biases are removed from these reports, gender differences in emotional responding tend to disappear (Barrett, Robin, Pietromonaco, & Eyssell, 1998; Robinson et al., 1998) or emerge only relatively late in the emotional response, after offset of emotional stimuli (Gard & Kring, 2007)."- Empirical findings regarding gender differences in emotion "Although there appear to be gender differences in laterality of amygdala responding as it relates to subsequent memory (Cahill et al., 2001; Cahill, Uncapher, Kilpatrick, Alkire, & Turner, 2004) the literature is unclear as to gender differences in overall responding. There have been reports of greater amygdala activity in men than women (Hamann, Herman, Nolan, & Wallen, 2004; Schienle, Schafer, Stark, Walter, & Vaitl, 2005) but some meta-analytic data show no gender differences in emotional reactivity in the amygdala (Wager et al., 2003)."-Empirical findings regarding gender differences in emotion "Reinterpretations were limited to three categories: (1) It’s not real (e.g. it’s just a scene from a movie, they’re just pretending), (2) Things will improve with time (e.g. whatever is going wrong will resolve over time), (3) Things aren’t as bad as they appear to me (e.g. the situation looks worse than it is, it could be a lot worse, at least it’s not me in that situation). Any reports which suggested that participants were using a non-cognitive strategy (such as expressive suppression, or averting attention from the emotional aspects of the picture) led to the participants being corrected and redirected to use one of the three strategies mentioned above."-Procedure ^relevant for the discussion part later "In terms of self-reported negative affect, we found that the negative picture stimuli elicited comparable levels of negativity in men and women. In addition, both genders were equally effective at using cognitive reappraisal to down-regulate their negative affective responses to the negative pictures. Neurally, we found that men and women show comparable amygdala response to the negative images, but men showed greater down-regulation than women (as indexed by decreases in amygdala activity during reappraisal). Furthermore, men showed significantly less activity than women in pre-frontal regions that have been previously observed as more active during the cognitive regulation of emotion. Lastly, women showed greater ventral striatal activity during the down-regulation of negative emotion than men. The discrepancy between behavioral and BOLD responses offers potentially important insights regarding gender differences in emotion regulation. Because men and women do not differ on either self-reported negative affect or amygdala reactivity to the unregulated negative pictures, it is unlikely that these differences arise because women initially found the negative images more unpleasant than men. What, then, might account for this discrepancy? In the following sections, we consider two non-competing possibilities. The first is that men are able to use regulation with greater efficiency, or less effort, than women. The second is that women up-regulate positive emotion to a greater extent than men when attempting to down-regulate negative emotion."-Discussion "The ventral striatum has been implicated in reward-related processing in humans (Knutson, Adams, Fong, & Hommer, 2001; McClure, York, & Montague, 2004) and animals (Elliott, Friston, & Dolan, 2000). The ventral striatum is also more active when individuals are processing positive or humorous stimuli (pictures, films, etc; (Mobbs, Greicius, Abdel-Azim, Menon, & Reiss, 2003) and its activity may predict self-reports of positive affect (Knutson, Taylor, Kaufman, Peterson, & Glover, 2005). Therefore, it is possible that women are generating positive affect to a greater extent than men in order to down-regulate their negative responses. It is well-documented that positive emotion, or humor, can be used strategically to regulate negative emotion (Tugade & Fredrickson, 2004). In accordance with these studies, we suggest that men may be quantitatively reducing the amount of negative affect they are experiencing, whereas women may be qualitatively transforming their negative affect into positive affect."-Do women use positive emotion more than men? "In particular, many affective disorders are characterized by failures of emotion regulation and many of the empirically validated treatments for these disorders involve training in emotion regulation in general, and the type of cognitive change that is used during reappraisal more specifically (Beck, Rush, Shaw, & Emery, 1979). The present results imply that gender differences may be important when using cognitive-based therapies to decrease negative affect in the context of affective disorders. If the first hypothesis is taken seriously, the lesser prefrontal activity in males might lead to the conclusion that women devote more executive resources toward cognitive reappraisal than men. Therefore, interventions that instruct patients in the use of reappraisal may benefit from the proposal that women may not have as many resources available for concurrent executive tasks. Conversely, when women are faced with distraction or fatigue, their ability to successfully down-regulate negative emotions may be compromised to a greater extent than is seen in men. Alternatively, these results might lead one to conclude that men may be able to be trained in reappraisal with more ease and efficiency than women"-Implications for psychopathology "f this is the case, therapies that guide patients toward reducing their overall arousal state, or use neutral as a target state, may work less successfully in women. At present, there is limited support for this notion."-Implications for psychopathology "As we have seen, however, empirical studies on this topic have been mixed. This presents something of a puzzle, and in this article, we have explored one possible explanation for this puzzle, namely that gender differences in emotional responding may arise—at least in part – from differences in emotion regulation. To test this idea, we used fMRI to examine gender differences in emotional reactivity and emotion regulation using cognitive reappraisal. We found that men and women did not differ on measures of emotional reactivity. In addition, both genders reported comparable decreases in negative experience when using cognitive reappraisal. However, men showed greater decreases in amygdala activity during regulation, along with lesser control-related prefrontal activity during cognitive regulation. Women showed greater ventral striatal activity during cognitive regulation than men."-Concluding Comment |
Aug 31, 2020 12:55 AM
#29
There is a condition that used to be called "hysteria", but is nowadays called "histrionic personality disorder". It more often involves girls and women, because - they are more likely to receive abuse and/or sexual violence and/or unwanted, sexual attention: https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1861511 - unlike guys, they are expected to be open about their feelings More often than not, any extreme over-reaction (excluding common frustrations with losing a game or when stuck in traffic) is the result of either trauma, (sexual) abuse or (parental) neglect It doesn't have to become a full-fledged Grande Mal attack with the typical Arc de Cercle, but there can be other examples of a conversion disorder for which the symptoms of the inner life are "conversed" in the outside behaviour But since girls/women are more likely to be treated badly and more likely to acknowledge that, they are more likely to develop a dissociative disorder or at the very least: experience dissociation https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4695775/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3480686/ https://www.mind.org.uk/information-support/types-of-mental-health-problems/dissociation-and-dissociative-disorders/about-dissociation/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4479361/ Conversion disorder is a condition where mental or emotional crises produce stress that converts to a physical problem. People diagnosed with conversion disorder are not feigning the symptoms; the symptoms are real. Therefore, it is important not to label patients with conversion disorder as manipulative. https://www.health.harvard.edu/newsletter_article/Conversion_disorder https://www.researchgate.net/figure/The-circular-arc-arc-de-cercle-Paul-Richer-Etudes-cliniques-sur-lhystero-epilepsie_fig6_221926258 https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/grand-mal-seizure/symptoms-causes/syc-20363458 |
NoboruAug 31, 2020 1:59 AM
Aug 31, 2020 2:08 AM
#30
Speaking from my exp, one time I cut myself and I was bleeding like mad, my mother was almost hysterical but my father was chill, he just called an ambulance, end of story. But you should see me in front of tv when barça is playing. After the match against bayern I drank a full 6pack and started shouting insults and punching house objects. But I am usualy very calm |
Aug 31, 2020 3:11 AM
#31
Yes women are on average more emotional and less logical than men and are prone to overreact. Not to say that there are no effeminate men that are just as emotional if not more than women especially in this day and age. |
“There is great satisfaction in fighting for the sake of gaining power, but it’s joyless to fight for the sake of maintaining it.” – Reinhard Von Lohengramm |
Aug 31, 2020 3:12 AM
#32
Peaceful_Critic said: Korishi said: I meant that Society affects the way people act and I think that your OP probably shouldn't have just left it at: "women are more emotional imo" with little to no analysis because I'm worried about the ways it can be used. @Peaceful_Critic what? like I said already, I'm not looking for wrong or right, just discussing why this stereotype exists. something like "nagging" could even just be a perceived experience by someone avoiding responsibility. maybe, or maybe not. If you want to discuss the reasons why this stereotype exists, that's fine by me. I have nothing against you personally. I'm just worried about what some people would take away from this thread. don't really know what you mean because I didn't leave it at "women are more emotional"... I already explicitly stated that one should state their implicit bias and try to reason why they think it has formed in their mind. so ye I'm personally not interested in stats for this one just more introspective analysis and one's own view of society |
Aug 31, 2020 3:20 AM
#33
Korishi said: Alright, whatever. As I told you before, I have nothing against you personally. I guess I'm just going to leave it here. Thinking about it you probably would've gotten these replies no matter what you wrote as not everyone reads the OP or would even care enough to consider it. Have a nice day. Peaceful_Critic said: Korishi said: @Peaceful_Critic what? like I said already, I'm not looking for wrong or right, just discussing why this stereotype exists. something like "nagging" could even just be a perceived experience by someone avoiding responsibility. maybe, or maybe not. If you want to discuss the reasons why this stereotype exists, that's fine by me. I have nothing against you personally. I'm just worried about what some people would take away from this thread. don't really know what you mean because I didn't leave it at "women are more emotional"... I already explicitly stated that one should state their implicit bias and try to reason why they think it has formed in their mind. so ye I'm personally not interested in stats for this one just more introspective analysis and one's own view of society |
removed-userAug 31, 2020 3:28 AM
Aug 31, 2020 3:29 AM
#34
@Peaceful_Critic uh okay... lol you are still good with remaining objective like viewing society as a whole moving part so some interesting points but I prefer some personal reasoning too Catalano said: lol these type of anecdotes hold true and at least it shows your mom cares a lot.Speaking from my exp, one time I cut myself and I was bleeding like mad, my mother was almost hysterical but my father was chill, he just called an ambulance, end of story. But you should see me in front of tv when barça is playing. After the match against bayern I drank a full 6pack and started shouting insults and punching house objects. But I am usualy very calm I still think sports and competition is more acceptable compared to general situations in interpersonal relationships like at home |
Aug 31, 2020 3:32 AM
#35
Yes, clearly they do, there is evidence even on the MAL forums. In this thread even. God, women make me cringe. |
Aug 31, 2020 3:37 AM
#36
Nah, just look at Trump and his followers. If someone startles him by whistling, he will say it was an assassination attempt orchestrated by Obama. The Little Mermaid being played played by a black girl in the upcoming live action adaptation, mostly males see it as a form of judgment day. |
Aug 31, 2020 3:41 AM
#37
From my experience at various schools and also from parents who are teachers, women as school principals suffer and panic much more in general when under pressure. One even suffered a stroke right in front of us. |
Aug 31, 2020 3:42 AM
#38
Zoldra0 said: that's a good example of another explanation I have for overreacting negatively: it's perhaps caused by an upsetting feeling of not being in control and therefore insecure. Trump stuff is some paranoid schizoid type shitNah, just look at Trump and his followers. If someone startles him by whistling, he will say it was an assassination attempt orchestrated by Obama. The Little Mermaid being played played by a black girl in the upcoming live action adaptation, mostly males see it as a form of judgment day. |
Aug 31, 2020 5:38 AM
#39
Peaceful_Critic said: Thank you for sharing this also. I think my biggest takeaway from this study is what they say about there being large gaps in literature about gender differences in processing emotion. But I believe another significant conclusion that can be made is that both genders do differ in some aspects significantly, in what aspects and how much is yet to be scientifically determined. Very interesting reading. I must say we have had some stimulating discussions today.operationvalkyri said: No problem, I actually find statistical analysis like that way more interesting then studies by themselves. Speaking of which here's a study(https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5937254/):Thank you for sharing the paper. The passages you quoted are telling indeed. It seems biased will always help paint women as weak be they exhibiting traditional female traits or not. I would also be interested in seeing any biological studies of differences of emotion between the two genders and what part hormones actually play. "In accordance with popular beliefs, there is some evidence that in the domain of emotional expression, women display more emotion than men (Brody, 1997). However, reports of emotion measured in other domains are less straightforward. Some studies of self-reported emotional experience indicate that women may indeed be more emotionally responsive than men (Bradley et al., 2001; Fujita et al., 1991; Lucas & Gohm, 2000; Seidlitz & Diener, 1998). One limitation of these studies is that most have relied upon self-report methods, which leave them vulnerable to the effects of gender stereotypes because they ask individuals to report their experiences retrospectively (Grossman & Wood, 1993; Hess et al., 2000). When retrospective and stereotypical biases are removed from these reports, gender differences in emotional responding tend to disappear (Barrett, Robin, Pietromonaco, & Eyssell, 1998; Robinson et al., 1998) or emerge only relatively late in the emotional response, after offset of emotional stimuli (Gard & Kring, 2007)."- Empirical findings regarding gender differences in emotion "Although there appear to be gender differences in laterality of amygdala responding as it relates to subsequent memory (Cahill et al., 2001; Cahill, Uncapher, Kilpatrick, Alkire, & Turner, 2004) the literature is unclear as to gender differences in overall responding. There have been reports of greater amygdala activity in men than women (Hamann, Herman, Nolan, & Wallen, 2004; Schienle, Schafer, Stark, Walter, & Vaitl, 2005) but some meta-analytic data show no gender differences in emotional reactivity in the amygdala (Wager et al., 2003)."-Empirical findings regarding gender differences in emotion "Reinterpretations were limited to three categories: (1) It’s not real (e.g. it’s just a scene from a movie, they’re just pretending), (2) Things will improve with time (e.g. whatever is going wrong will resolve over time), (3) Things aren’t as bad as they appear to me (e.g. the situation looks worse than it is, it could be a lot worse, at least it’s not me in that situation). Any reports which suggested that participants were using a non-cognitive strategy (such as expressive suppression, or averting attention from the emotional aspects of the picture) led to the participants being corrected and redirected to use one of the three strategies mentioned above."-Procedure ^relevant for the discussion part later "In terms of self-reported negative affect, we found that the negative picture stimuli elicited comparable levels of negativity in men and women. In addition, both genders were equally effective at using cognitive reappraisal to down-regulate their negative affective responses to the negative pictures. Neurally, we found that men and women show comparable amygdala response to the negative images, but men showed greater down-regulation than women (as indexed by decreases in amygdala activity during reappraisal). Furthermore, men showed significantly less activity than women in pre-frontal regions that have been previously observed as more active during the cognitive regulation of emotion. Lastly, women showed greater ventral striatal activity during the down-regulation of negative emotion than men. The discrepancy between behavioral and BOLD responses offers potentially important insights regarding gender differences in emotion regulation. Because men and women do not differ on either self-reported negative affect or amygdala reactivity to the unregulated negative pictures, it is unlikely that these differences arise because women initially found the negative images more unpleasant than men. What, then, might account for this discrepancy? In the following sections, we consider two non-competing possibilities. The first is that men are able to use regulation with greater efficiency, or less effort, than women. The second is that women up-regulate positive emotion to a greater extent than men when attempting to down-regulate negative emotion."-Discussion "The ventral striatum has been implicated in reward-related processing in humans (Knutson, Adams, Fong, & Hommer, 2001; McClure, York, & Montague, 2004) and animals (Elliott, Friston, & Dolan, 2000). The ventral striatum is also more active when individuals are processing positive or humorous stimuli (pictures, films, etc; (Mobbs, Greicius, Abdel-Azim, Menon, & Reiss, 2003) and its activity may predict self-reports of positive affect (Knutson, Taylor, Kaufman, Peterson, & Glover, 2005). Therefore, it is possible that women are generating positive affect to a greater extent than men in order to down-regulate their negative responses. It is well-documented that positive emotion, or humor, can be used strategically to regulate negative emotion (Tugade & Fredrickson, 2004). In accordance with these studies, we suggest that men may be quantitatively reducing the amount of negative affect they are experiencing, whereas women may be qualitatively transforming their negative affect into positive affect."-Do women use positive emotion more than men? "In particular, many affective disorders are characterized by failures of emotion regulation and many of the empirically validated treatments for these disorders involve training in emotion regulation in general, and the type of cognitive change that is used during reappraisal more specifically (Beck, Rush, Shaw, & Emery, 1979). The present results imply that gender differences may be important when using cognitive-based therapies to decrease negative affect in the context of affective disorders. If the first hypothesis is taken seriously, the lesser prefrontal activity in males might lead to the conclusion that women devote more executive resources toward cognitive reappraisal than men. Therefore, interventions that instruct patients in the use of reappraisal may benefit from the proposal that women may not have as many resources available for concurrent executive tasks. Conversely, when women are faced with distraction or fatigue, their ability to successfully down-regulate negative emotions may be compromised to a greater extent than is seen in men. Alternatively, these results might lead one to conclude that men may be able to be trained in reappraisal with more ease and efficiency than women"-Implications for psychopathology "f this is the case, therapies that guide patients toward reducing their overall arousal state, or use neutral as a target state, may work less successfully in women. At present, there is limited support for this notion."-Implications for psychopathology "As we have seen, however, empirical studies on this topic have been mixed. This presents something of a puzzle, and in this article, we have explored one possible explanation for this puzzle, namely that gender differences in emotional responding may arise—at least in part – from differences in emotion regulation. To test this idea, we used fMRI to examine gender differences in emotional reactivity and emotion regulation using cognitive reappraisal. We found that men and women did not differ on measures of emotional reactivity. In addition, both genders reported comparable decreases in negative experience when using cognitive reappraisal. However, men showed greater decreases in amygdala activity during regulation, along with lesser control-related prefrontal activity during cognitive regulation. Women showed greater ventral striatal activity during cognitive regulation than men."-Concluding Comment |
Sep 8, 2020 11:24 AM
#40
I would say so yeah they overeact more due to different biological and societal norms. |
Sep 8, 2020 11:40 AM
#41
On average? Probably, because males have way less estrogen, but more importantly because men are taught to suppress their emotions (except anger and confidence/pride). I've seen men get super angry over petty shit though (video games are a good example of this) so I don't think the gap in emotionality between men and women is too big, they just express emotions in different ways |
Sep 8, 2020 6:18 PM
#42
thats a sexist assumption. If u think so, u should study a bit about it and im 98% sure u will change ur opinion about it. |
Sep 8, 2020 6:21 PM
#43
have u ever seen a guy arguing w a girl because of jealousy? Or two drunk guys fighting for stupid reasons? |
Sep 8, 2020 9:34 PM
#44
no dudes are equally guilty of being whiny a-holes. There is no limit to how petty humans can be. |
Sep 8, 2020 9:52 PM
#45
They do present more of some behaviors that most would call overreaction but theres is two important things to think about: Correlation does not mean causation and diferent people think and quantify overeacting diferently so if we don't ground the terms the response will change acording to the POV. |
N04L1TYSep 8, 2020 10:14 PM
heh. |
Sep 8, 2020 11:41 PM
#46
Hmmmm just by anecdotal evidence I'd say yes but it depends what we're reacting to. Is it TV? I overreact to TV shows as well. I know many guys that do as much as girls so I think it depends on what we're reacting to |
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Sep 10, 2020 11:46 AM
#47
Nothing I love more than a totally logical, non emotional man going on presumptuous tirades about half the worlds population because they're depressed about not being able to get laid. Don't worry boys, your insecurity isn't showing at all, it's definitely the women who are wrong for not loving you. Who wouldn't want to be in a relationship with such logical, emotionally mature individuals? Yes, they are all just so irrational. You're all so rational I'm literally drowning in the amount of logic and science in this thread SargonTheGreat said: Yes women overreact a shit ton and never stop nagging, then they proceed to blame you for their own mistakes. Lol I don't even know you and I already want to break up with you |
Sep 10, 2020 11:50 AM
#48
I guess you never seen how men behave during sports events. |
Sep 10, 2020 11:58 AM
#49
Video games? Sports? Online flame wars? Literally anything competitive? Escalation of minor kerfuffles to full-blown fights? Display of disproportionate force in general? Rioting? Responses to rejection/being dumped? This thread shows so much disconnect honestly I don't know where to start. |
Auron_Sep 10, 2020 12:04 PM
Sep 10, 2020 12:22 PM
#50
Both nales and females can overreact but because of cultural influences and maybe some averaged neurological differences they react to different things and may react in different ways. Males are more physically aggressive and females more psychologically aggressive. Females are more expressive on their feelings of sadness and males hold them in more. Males have wider tear ducts so it takes more tear volume for them to cry while females ducts are more narrow. Both can either drag out anger or let it out explosively. Stereotypes also alters perception of how the same behaviours are interpreted with a male vs a female |
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