Australian senator is attempting to stop the screening of anime which shows child abuse and exploitation
Zeroflamez said: epidemia78 said: Asuna wasn't raped. There was no "abuse" in Eromanga. The girl in NGNL has a precocious crush on her onichan. He loves her like a brother should and nothing more. It's cute. she will grow out of it. She was not raped but she was sexually assaulted. He ripped her shirt off and was licking her tears sexually as he talked about wanting to have fun with her real body. No matter how stupid I think the scene is and how laughable the scene that is still sexual assault. Ero-Manga Sensei, yeah there is no abuse but you really think that a 12 year old drawing erotic drawings with the help of her 15 year old step brother writing the story and end up in sexual situations is appropriate and OK? Even though I don't agree with him thinking this kind of content grooms child predators, and his idea of wanting to ban it is stupid. It's one thing being aware of the content that is in the Anime you watch and understanding that it's fiction and being okay with it. It's another thing to deny that this content is very well extreme or controversial just because it's Anime. My point is sometimes you gotta remove your bias when looking at these kind of complaints..and think about things rationally instead of getting angry at this dude. I mean if you never watched Anime in your life and the first thing you saw was Ero Manga Sensei or Goblin Slayer would you not be shocked by the content without having much knowledge of Japan and Anime culture? While sexual violence is overused plotdevice in anime, its that in all medias. Tons of tv shows, films and books have rape. Why anime in particular should be banned for showing that sexual assault is villanous and traumatic? |
| Oh, I saw this news floating around Twitter yesterday. Didn’t think there was a post of this here too. It’s very saddening to hear as a fellow avid anime fan because I’ve heard there’s a fair lot of people from Australia who’re a part of our community. My prayers and thoughts are with them. |
#Anime4Life be my Life Motto! #PrayForKyoAni  |
| Well then, what shows did he give 10s in his anime list @ MAL? |
FlowersInTheRain said: Lol your thoughts and prayers? This isn't like the Christchurch shooting in New Zealand. This isn't like the raging bush fires. This isn't like Coronavirus. This isn't like #PrayForKyoAni (quoted from your sig). The aussie anime fans will find a way to get their anime fix, yeesh. I understand that the scope of this isn’t nearly as close as either of the three events that you’ve highlighted, and quite rightly so. However, I imagine there’ll still be a lot of people hurt by this and so my prayers lie with them, it’s as simple as that, |
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| @AanLovesCitrus If you're not a minor ephebophilia is as much a crime as pedophilia is. Not making any moral judgements here but it's the truth. OT, I laugh whenever some jackass Boomer decides that anime is evil and must be banned for muh childrens' safety. Absolutely silly. As someone said, it's the slow encroaching of Western moralism and sensibilities onto a foreign media. It's exactly why so many mid-teen characters were retconned to being legal age in the US, to avoid these issues entirely but with the internet and less censoring of the medium now we're back to puritanical crusaders getting to take cheap shots for easy votes. Sometimes I'm actually grateful for being American, Ozland and the rest of the Commonwealth seems pretty bonkers when it comes to these kinds of things. |
| Nico nico ni~eed a siggy like the all the cool kids Really wish we had a rep system so I could farm it and spam rep+ |
ItsaNico said: @AanLovesCitrus If you're not a minor ephebophilia is as much a crime as pedophilia is. Not making any moral judgements here but it's the truth. Some things off here linguistically and legally. Pedophilia and ephebephilia are attractions not a person's actions. Neither is a crime. Only certain actions are crimes not thoughts and feelings. Also ephebephilia is attraction and preference to about 14 or 15 to 19 or 20 years old while pedophilia is attraction to prepubescent children. Clearly as you can see this range for the so called ephebephilia includes ages above the consent age in the vast majority of the world with only exceptions being some underdeveloped Asian nations.Even in cases it is an illegal act it is often not legally prosecuted as harshly as involving a minor under about 13 or 12 or what it may be (depending on region) which is much more severely prosecuted. Also there are Romeo and Juliet laws that allow a minor of a certain age and someone else fully of age if they are close in age though range varries. This is setting aside the even more complicated legal exceptions like marriage age or parental consent which I don't know enough to expand on. So your statement isn't entirely true and thus can be very misleading and confusing. Why i even bothered writing so much aside from technicalities is because there are quite some bad consequences if the wrong person were to read what you wrote and took your statement as face value fact that those two things are equal under law. |
| Maybe focus on what's happening then banning anime? I didn't want Goblin Slayer but I know what happens but Eromanga Sensei, it wasn't even that bad. |
Tylaen said: PoruMairu said: "All good things"? Lmao.Our Leftist swamp-dwellers are trying to ban all of the good things, and at present Australia is going through a large bout of misandry. It is like they are tryinbg to provoke a culture war or summin'. Yes, underaged sexualization is the pinnacle of good things. Christ Let people sexualize underage girls no one with proper mind cares because it is not real human, stop trolling in this thread dude. Go away. |
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D-arts said: Stop trolling the thread yourself, man.Tylaen said: "All good things"? Lmao. Yes, underaged sexualization is the pinnacle of good things. Christ Let people sexualize underage girls no one with proper mind cares because it is not real human, stop trolling in this thread dude. Go away. |
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| idk how serious people in this thread are being, but you know people aren't actually fans of something when they just shrug their shoulders at this well shrugging your shoulders is EXACTLY what allows shit like this to slowly happen, even if not entirely, i don't know why people are stupid enough to think ONLY what they don't like is going to be targeted people like Anita Sarkbitch gained the influence they did because many people shrugged off the small changes she was making NEVER NEVER NEVER say something like this can't happen, yes with the internet, its impossible to entirely get rid of something, but that doesn't mean we don't fight this kind of thing its as if people don't realize the reason this kind of stuff usually doesn't happen is because its either ignored or fought against and you know its bad when even in Japan they have to elect someone who fights for freedom of expression in anime/manga but some people won't take shit like this seriously unless they feel its what THEY like being targeted |
EcchiGodMamsterFeb 28, 2020 3:06 AM
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Daniel_Naumov said: Banning two humiliating, shameful pieces of digital litter would lead to more bans and crack-down on humiliating, shameful, unworthy of humanity pieces of digital litter. I am all for it. Naturally, people in charge would have to be level-headed and experienced in what they are doing, instead of simply seeing one scene and marking "to be banned". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ministry_of_Truth_ |
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| If anything that's related to anime that government wants to ban, it's no other than people spending their money that goes to japan. This would affect economy in the long run and also rise of japanese subculture in their own country which they deem to be inappropriate. I figure that there would be a political party that suddenly would love to protect loli (anime) and they would suddenly vote them for that easy election. It's not even far-fetched at all at this point, considering vote brigading or bath tub water sales brainwashing people into a 'zombanime'. tee hee |
| Anyone who thinks they have the right to use force-backed coercion on people because of the animation they want to watch can only be described as casually violent to the point of evil. Cartoonophobes are the same sort of people as homophobes etc. Providing every real, not imaginary person involved is an consenting adult outside of exploitative power relationships, what sexual activities people get up to is none of anyone's business, and anyone attempting to forcefully intervene is perpetrating an act of evil. Oh, and Eromanga-Sensei doesn't actually have any incest in at all. There are two things which typify incestuous relationships. The danger of inbreeding, and the Westermarck effect. neither of those is present in Eromanga-Sensei. They're not genetically related, and they didn't grow up together. It's actually a pretty good show. Anything where the credits actually try to convey things relevant to the story instead of just showing the people and things in it looking cool or whatever is likely to be decent. |
| Why doesnt he just censor the stuff on news its alot more innapropriate |
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| More people who can't distinguish fiction from reality, yay. What kind of real child has a single dot for a nose lol. The girls in Eromanga might as well be aliens. |
| I, too, will fight to keep alien child sexualization in anime. It's an important fight! I can never be influenced by anything subconsciously because I'm a strong boy, and strong boys aren't affected by anything unless they explicitly want it to happen. |
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| I'm fine with eromanga tbh cause I think it should've not been greenlit in the first place, but goblin slayer? Yeah I know it was edgy and arguably offensive but you can't deny the fact that its far from being the only show with sexual assaults in it, anime or not Also am I the only one being reminded the whole "video games cause violence" thing from this? |
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yoti said: To deny media has an influence on you, as an individual, is a bit of an arrogant claim. It's plausible that playing violent videogames has led me to have a degree of reduced empathy but it isn't to say that it'll cause me to become a mass murderer.I'm fine with eromanga tbh cause I think it should've not been greenlit in the first place, but goblin slayer? Yeah I know it was edgy and arguably offensive but you can't deny the fact that its far from being the only show with sexual assaults in it, anime or not Also am I the only one being reminded the whole "video games cause violence" thing from this? Similiarly, it's the case here where seeing child sexualization doesn't automatically nudge you in that direction but as is evident, it has de-sensitized people to it. The important thing is the light such is portrayed in. SAO, Ero-manga sensei, etc aren't exactly anime about the dangers of such but instead seem to indulge in sexualization with the goal merely being that. It's simply sexualization of a minor for the sake of titillation. The goal of banning such shows, or simply preventing such material from making it's way into new ones, is to prevent the concept of "normalization". |
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| As stupid as it is. It's not gonna happen. Remember when the UN "tried" to ban lolis. And that failed badly. Truth be told, it's just another scare tactic. But it still shows that politicians can't tell the difference between fiction and non fiction, what else is new. |
| If this senator thinks SAO and Goblin Slayer should be banned then I wonder how he is gonna react to Berserk after watching eclipse scene lol |
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Tylaen said: yoti said: To deny media has an influence on you, as an individual, is a bit of an arrogant claim. It's plausible that playing violent videogames has led me to have a degree of reduced empathy but it isn't to say that it'll cause me to become a mass murderer.I'm fine with eromanga tbh cause I think it should've not been greenlit in the first place, but goblin slayer? Yeah I know it was edgy and arguably offensive but you can't deny the fact that its far from being the only show with sexual assaults in it, anime or not Also am I the only one being reminded the whole "video games cause violence" thing from this? Similiarly, it's the case here where seeing child sexualization doesn't automatically nudge you in that direction but as is evident, it has de-sensitized people to it. The important thing is the light such is portrayed in. SAO, Ero-manga sensei, etc aren't exactly anime about the dangers of such but instead seem to indulge in sexualization with the goal merely being that. It's simply sexualization of a minor for the sake of titillation. The goal of banning such shows, or simply preventing such material from making it's way into new ones, is to prevent the concept of "normalization". So you would be okay with such shows if they told you at the beginning of every episode that such things are bad irl like with every WWE clip? You don't need anime to tell you what's normal or not. Anime is fantasy and telling you what's moral isn't its purpose.Btw banning such material isn't usefull at all because the internet and illegal streaming exist. Unless you also want people to be put behind bars for streaming such shows or taxes getting wasted on tracing IPs of weebs, this banning won't do anything. |
BlueMaximilian said: You don't seem to understand that I'm not advocating for warning labels, I'm advocating for the removal of it. Tylaen said: To deny media has an influence on you, as an individual, is a bit of an arrogant claim. It's plausible that playing violent videogames has led me to have a degree of reduced empathy but it isn't to say that it'll cause me to become a mass murderer. Similiarly, it's the case here where seeing child sexualization doesn't automatically nudge you in that direction but as is evident, it has de-sensitized people to it. The important thing is the light such is portrayed in. SAO, Ero-manga sensei, etc aren't exactly anime about the dangers of such but instead seem to indulge in sexualization with the goal merely being that. It's simply sexualization of a minor for the sake of titillation. The goal of banning such shows, or simply preventing such material from making it's way into new ones, is to prevent the concept of "normalization". So you would be okay with such shows if they told you at the beginning of every episode that such things are bad irl like with every WWE clip? You don't need anime to tell you what's normal or not. Anime is fantasy and telling you what's moral isn't its purpose.Btw banning such material isn't usefull at all because the internet and illegal streaming exist. Unless you also want people to be put behind bars for streaming such shows or taxes getting wasted on tracing IPs of weebs, this banning won't do anything. And yes, yes. I'm aware, you don't believe you can be swayed subconsciously. I have little interest in discussing such with people who dismiss fiction as a tool for influence with people who deny it wholesale, so I won't engage in such with you. Pick it up with your psychology professor. |
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| It still amazes me how people advocate censoring and destroying content they don't like and jailing people for looking at it simply because it doesn't fit with their perceived utopia of animation, artwork and literature should be. |
| We're the same. Nuisances with nowhere to go. |
Jigsy said: Some of us have moral values that stretch outside of dubious phrases like "Censoring stuff you don't like is bad, mkay"It still amazes me how people advocate censoring and destroying content they don't like and jailing people for looking at it simply because it doesn't fit with their perceived utopia of animation, artwork and literature should be. I'm aware as a self-professed lolicon that saying simulated child sexualization should be curbed would bounce right off of you. |
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Tylaen said: Some of us have moral values that stretch outside of dubious phrases like "Censoring stuff you don't like is bad, mkay" I'm aware as a self-professed lolicon that saying simulated child sexualization should be curbed would bounce right off of you. Lolis are the best thing to come out of Japan.   |
IpreferEcchiFeb 28, 2020 5:45 AM
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Tylaen said: I'm aware as a self-professed lolicon that saying simulated child sexualization should be curbed would bounce right off of you. Do you actually have any arguments which aren't personal attacks? |
| We're the same. Nuisances with nowhere to go. |
Jigsy said: Why do you take issue with something you describe yourself as? If you're taking it as a personal attack, do you admit that it's wrong or are you simply searching for a way to turn it around from yourself?Tylaen said: I'm aware as a self-professed lolicon that saying simulated child sexualization should be curbed would bounce right off of you. Do you actually have any arguments which aren't personal attacks? |
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| I'll take your response/strawman as an emphatic "No," then. |
| We're the same. Nuisances with nowhere to go. |
Haven't they heard of or seen Game of Thrones, where during an episode, real, not drawn , innocent children are thrown out of windows by cowards who want to avoid taking responsibility for being caught committing incest, or viciously raped to onscreen to consolidate political power while watched by a gutless crying manservant? I also immediately thought about GoT. Either you ban every media with stuff like that or you don't, it's that simple. Defending that kind of thinking is hypocritical because we can all cherry-pick and find bad things happening in fiction. |
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Jigsy said: Sorry if your self-described identity is somehow offensive to yourself. You didn't seem to have much of a back-up outside of parroting others and calling "Personal attack!" as a means of self-defense.I'll take your response as an emphatic/strawman "No," then. Have a nice one. Edit: Better explain the strawman or else it's simply a case of utilizing a word without care for knowing what it actually means. Nice edit yourself, btw. |
TylaenFeb 28, 2020 5:56 AM
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Nubiellee said: You seem to forget to mention that not only are these two that are committing incest ADULTS, it's very clearly framed in a negative light.Haven't they heard of or seen Game of Thrones, where during an episode, real, not drawn , innocent children are thrown out of windows by cowards who want to avoid taking responsibility for being caught committing incest, or viciously raped to onscreen to consolidate political power while watched by a gutless crying manservant? I also immediately thought about GoT. Either you ban every media with stuff like that or you don't, it's that simple. Defending that kind of thinking is hypocritical because we can all cherry-pick and find bad things happening in fiction. Violence against kids framed positively is not okay, framed negatively is okay. FRAMING, FRAMING, FRAMING. |
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Tylaen said: BlueMaximilian said: You don't seem to understand that I'm not advocating for warning labels, I'm advocating for the removal of it. So you would be okay with such shows if they told you at the beginning of every episode that such things are bad irl like with every WWE clip? You don't need anime to tell you what's normal or not. Anime is fantasy and telling you what's moral isn't its purpose.Btw banning such material isn't usefull at all because the internet and illegal streaming exist. Unless you also want people to be put behind bars for streaming such shows or taxes getting wasted on tracing IPs of weebs, this banning won't do anything. And yes, yes. I'm aware, you don't believe you can be swayed subconsciously. I have little interest in discussing such with people who dismiss fiction as a tool for influence with people who deny it wholesale, so I won't engage in such with you. Pick it up with your psychology professor. >people who dismiss fiction as a tool for influence It's not that fiction can't have any influence. It's the fact that you think people are too retarded to dismiss or refuse to accept theses ideas by themselve. Don't worry mate.Anime isn't going to destroy your moral ground or western society. Remember guys, the bad things we refused as a society for decades are bad. Please don't let Animu trick you. |
BlueMaximilian said: I'm glad you agree with me, so now we can collectively ban this so we don't have to worry even if they are retarded.Tylaen said: You don't seem to understand that I'm not advocating for warning labels, I'm advocating for the removal of it. And yes, yes. I'm aware, you don't believe you can be swayed subconsciously. I have little interest in discussing such with people who dismiss fiction as a tool for influence with people who deny it wholesale, so I won't engage in such with you. Pick it up with your psychology professor. >people who dismiss fiction as a tool for influence It's not that fiction can't have any influence. It's the fact that you think people are too retarded to dismiss or refuse to accept theses ideas by themselve. Don't worry mate.Anime isn't going to destroy your moral ground or western society. Remember guys, the bad things we refused as a society for decades are bad. Please don't let Animu trick you. You're a pal, Blue. |
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Daniel_Naumov said: Usually people who advocate for disciplining children with spanking but that's usually not inserted into any TV shows anymore, so I don't have any immediate examples come to mind which I find to be overall positive :pTylaen said: I'm glad you agree with me, so now we can collectively ban this so we don't have to worry even if they are retarded. You're a pal, Blue. Wait who is abusing children in a positive way? I must know! FOR MY RESEARCH?! Also, you quoted the wrong conversation man. C'mon! |
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| You'd think Australia would have actual problems to worry about atm considering the wildfires and coronavirus epidemic but I guess that was too much to hope for |
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Tylaen said: Jigsy said: Sorry if your self-described identity is somehow offensive to yourself. You didn't seem to have much of a back-up outside of parroting others and calling "Personal attack!" as a means of self-defense.I'll take your response as an emphatic/strawman "No," then. I wasn't going to bite, but I've changed my mind. First of all, you didn't rebuke my argument. You just attacked my character. Probably because it was far easier for you to do so than to come up with a lucid, intelligent, well thought out objection. Secondly, you introduced an argument to make sound like I was ashamed of who I am, and it still has no bearing on my initial point. In any case, you've established that debating with you would be a waste of my time and effort. |
| We're the same. Nuisances with nowhere to go. |
Tylaen said: yoti said: To deny media has an influence on you, as an individual, is a bit of an arrogant claim. It's plausible that playing violent videogames has led me to have a degree of reduced empathy but it isn't to say that it'll cause me to become a mass murderer.I'm fine with eromanga tbh cause I think it should've not been greenlit in the first place, but goblin slayer? Yeah I know it was edgy and arguably offensive but you can't deny the fact that its far from being the only show with sexual assaults in it, anime or not Also am I the only one being reminded the whole "video games cause violence" thing from this? Similiarly, it's the case here where seeing child sexualization doesn't automatically nudge you in that direction but as is evident, it has de-sensitized people to it. The important thing is the light such is portrayed in. SAO, Ero-manga sensei, etc aren't exactly anime about the dangers of such but instead seem to indulge in sexualization with the goal merely being that. It's simply sexualization of a minor for the sake of titillation. The goal of banning such shows, or simply preventing such material from making it's way into new ones, is to prevent the concept of "normalization". I fully agree with you on that one man, its messed up thing that really shouldn't be normalized in media, this is why I'm advocating against eromanga, but not against video games, its been proven time and time again that video games have no link to actual violence There's a big difference from being desensitized of something in media, like guns and sex than seeing it in real life, if I were to actually see someone shooting in my direction I would be frightened for my life, and not desensitized since I'm used to seeing it in movies and games But when it comes to children sexualization, most people could agree that it's just straight up disturbing even in fictional media, like eromanga, and to most ordinary and sane people it just feels wrong, a lot of it could probably be distributed to how it presents the child sexualization, in a way that it makes it look perfectly fine, the series doesn't show it in a bad light, if you had a series where a pedo was the bad guy, it would be perfectly fine, that is unlike most games where you know that shooting a gun is a bad thing when you're playing it Tdlr I don't think children sexualization should be desensitized, even in media as it raises everyone's eyebrows and for a good reason |
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