Unowen said: hazecloud said: I'm not too certain of that. As a kid (say when I was around 7) I'd rather have watched action-packed stuff like Yu Yu Hakusho I did back then (even if you're likely to consume whatever is airing at the moment) than something like a Ghibli movie that I easily enjoy and appreciate way more now as an adult. Like studio ghibli movies could be wonderful but if you didn't watch it as a kid, you would probably think of it as childish or simply can't get into it. Didn't watch my first Ghibli movie until like 2015 (Nausicaa) and went in chronological order. Loved the majority of them. About 5 or 6 of them are in my top 10 anime movies of all time (Grave of the Fireflies, Mononoke, Spirited Away, Howls, Totoro, and Marnie). Also agreed, when i was a kid my #1 was inuyasha, cause that was about the extent of my mental cognition "LETS WATCH THIS HALF DEMON KILL FULL DEMONS SO HE CAN COLLECT THE SACRED JEWEL SHARD" very simplistic shounen. fun stuff tho. |
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Peaceful_Critic said: Johan said: I get that, but if you aren't interested in discussing stuff with me, then why quote me and try to start a conversation? Wouldn't it be great for both of us, if you stopped replying? Y'know, if you want, you can get the last word in, and I'll stop replying 1st.Unfortunately I'm not too worried about what you would consider to be "Great" or not. I'll tag whoever i feel like responding/replying to, whenever i want. Your "wishes" or what you think is "Great" is literally the least of my concerns. I promise. lol. Okay but i literally agreed with you on this topic which is why i quoted you in the first place, and you decided to engage a separate argument i was having with someone else. Then when it doesnt go well for you, or you get frustrated or w/e you get mad and want me to stop replying. Look, i told you already I have nothing against you, and im willing to talk with you peacefully. Can you unblock me, so we can speak in private then? |
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Peaceful_Critic said: Johan said: You used me as a flexing tool(something along the lines of: "See, even this person who I owned in an argument agreed with me") Regardless, That's not the quote I'm talking about(#25).Okay but i literally agreed with you on this topic which is why i quoted you in the first place, and you decided to engage a separate argument i was having with someone else. Then when it doesnt go well for you, or you get frustrated or w/e you get mad and want me to stop replying. Look, i told you already I have nothing against you, and im willing to talk with you peacefully. Can you unblock me, so we can speak in private then? Paint whatever narrative you want. No. Okay you can say no, but then don't say im not the one willing to peacefully engage with you. |
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Greyleaf said: Man these arguments are fucking hilarious. *grabs popcorn* LOL COMEON, GO WATCH YOUR MOVIE YOU FOOL. |
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Johan said: This might sound funny but I don't think it's a matter of mental cognition after a certain age (it's variable depending on the kid, but I think they are smart enough to understand most from a movie/series quite early).Unowen said: I'm not too certain of that. As a kid (say when I was around 7) I'd rather have watched action-packed stuff like Yu Yu Hakusho I did back then (even if you're likely to consume whatever is airing at the moment) than something like a Ghibli movie that I easily enjoy and appreciate way more now as an adult. Didn't watch my first Ghibli movie until like 2015 (Nausicaa) and went in chronological order. Loved the majority of them. About 5 or 6 of them are in my top 10 anime movies of all time (Grave of the Fireflies, Mononoke, Spirited Away, Howls, Totoro, and Marnie). Also agreed, when i was a kid my #1 was inuyasha, cause that was about the extent of my mental cognition "LETS WATCH THIS HALF DEMON KILL FULL DEMONS SO HE CAN COLLECT THE SACRED JEWEL SHARD" very simplistic shounen. fun stuff tho. In my case at least I would say is 100% preference-oriented. If nowadays I prefer watching something that feels wholesome (or some bittersweet drama) odds are I'd have found it fucking boring 10-15 years ago, even if I'd understand all the actual events happening in them. And similarly today I have less patience for repetition and well, some silliness I'd probably not minded back then. |
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| Boring Masterpiece is a contradiction in itself, the closest a show ever came to that is Texhnolyze but it got far more entertaining when you actually started analysing the shit out of it. A entertaining shit show never gets above a 6 because its nothing of value, its just fun when you watch it and then you forget it after a day or two. Every Season basicially everything is a enjoyable or boring shit show, i wouldn't say no to a breath of fresh air. |
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Unowen said: Johan said: This might sound funny but I don't think it's a matter of mental cognition after a certain age (it's variable depending on the kid, but I think they are smart enough to understand most from a movie/series quite early).Didn't watch my first Ghibli movie until like 2015 (Nausicaa) and went in chronological order. Loved the majority of them. About 5 or 6 of them are in my top 10 anime movies of all time (Grave of the Fireflies, Mononoke, Spirited Away, Howls, Totoro, and Marnie). Also agreed, when i was a kid my #1 was inuyasha, cause that was about the extent of my mental cognition "LETS WATCH THIS HALF DEMON KILL FULL DEMONS SO HE CAN COLLECT THE SACRED JEWEL SHARD" very simplistic shounen. fun stuff tho. In my case at least I would say is 100% preference-oriented. If nowadays I prefer watching something that feels wholesome (or some bittersweet drama) odds are I'd have found it fucking boring 10-15 years ago, even if I'd understand all the actual events happening in them. And similarly today I have less patience for repetition and well, some silliness I'd probably not minded back then. I gotta disagree, I don't believe your average 7, 9, 11, 13, even 15 year old can really watch those deep, deep shows like Mawaru Penguindrum or whatever and truly grasp all the concepts and themes of what the shows were trying to portray. Now of course, no ghibli movies are quite on that level, but i do believe cognition is correlated to your ability to fully ascertain more complex anime. |
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Johan said: When I was around 8 I remember watching and enjoying Utena (which is from the same creator of Penguindrum) and I probably enjoyed it more than when I rewatched it 3 years ago. Yes it was less confusing and it made much more sense this second time around, but you're still getting something different from the experience. Getting all that surreal imagery when you're not used to it and in a more impressionable age is also a thing in its own you can't replicate. Utena was kind of targeted towards girls in their early teens anyway.Unowen said: This might sound funny but I don't think it's a matter of mental cognition after a certain age (it's variable depending on the kid, but I think they are smart enough to understand most from a movie/series quite early). In my case at least I would say is 100% preference-oriented. If nowadays I prefer watching something that feels wholesome (or some bittersweet drama) odds are I'd have found it fucking boring 10-15 years ago, even if I'd understand all the actual events happening in them. And similarly today I have less patience for repetition and well, some silliness I'd probably not minded back then. I gotta disagree, I don't believe your average 7, 9, 11, 13, even 15 year old can really watch those deep, deep shows like Mawaru Penguindrum or whatever and truly grasp all the concepts and themes of what the shows were trying to portray. Now of course, no ghibli movies are quite on that level, but i do believe cognition is correlated to your ability to fully ascertain more complex anime. Hell even now when watching certain shows like that I don't bother with the meaning so much as I do with the watching experience. I didn't like Lain because it was cryptic or ''needs to be rewatched several times to be understood'' (I only watched it once after all) but because I enjoyed the style and got interested from the get-go with its really good opening theme. To this day I'm not too sure what I watched, but I don't care too much either. |
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| I’d rather watch something I find entertaining than something I find boring. |
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Waifwu said: An entertaining masterpiece is ideal ik but if i have to choose between these two i'd always choose the latter. I'd be interested to know what shows you consider to be a "boring masterpiece"? |
| I d say there is no such thing as a boring masterpiece. But if there were, I'd choose that for clout. |
| There is not such thing as boring masterpiece or an entertaining shitshow. That is bullshit peddled by self-important, snobbish anime "fans" who think certain tropes or genres cannot be good. They have a narrow-minded indea of what counts as "high art". Certain shows I won't name, because they present themselves in a certain way and have high production value, become known as "high quality". But if they don't entertain people they are worthless outside of being a wanking sock for the ego. |
| “In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule.” -Friedrich Nietzsche Aggregate scoring is bad for the anime fandom |
| It isn't a masterpiece if its boring and something can't be shit if its entertaining. |
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Johan said: Unowen said: This might sound funny but I don't think it's a matter of mental cognition after a certain age (it's variable depending on the kid, but I think they are smart enough to understand most from a movie/series quite early). In my case at least I would say is 100% preference-oriented. If nowadays I prefer watching something that feels wholesome (or some bittersweet drama) odds are I'd have found it fucking boring 10-15 years ago, even if I'd understand all the actual events happening in them. And similarly today I have less patience for repetition and well, some silliness I'd probably not minded back then. I gotta disagree, I don't believe your average 7, 9, 11, 13, even 15 year old can really watch those deep, deep shows like Mawaru Penguindrum or whatever and truly grasp all the concepts and themes of what the shows were trying to portray. Now of course, no ghibli movies are quite on that level, but i do believe cognition is correlated to your ability to fully ascertain more complex anime. Using the words 'deep' and 'complex' is something I find dumb because there is no true quantification for it. Why can a person not understand Penguindrum just because it has a lot of themes and ideas packed into it? Hunter x Hunter has loads of complicated themes and concepts in it but it's easily accessible and not to difficult to diagnose even for a kid. What you are labelling as 'deep' is literally just a difference in how said themes are presented |
| I'm down for some entertaining trash. It just might take me a while to get to it, that's all. |
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| Oh nooo, the elitist scare again. How about disagreeing something being masterpiece? Having your own opinion? And how about the opposite situation - everybody says that some title is shitty but entertaining...but you only see it as very stupid. What do you do? You pretend to like it because you are afraid that everybody will think you are dumb and misunderstood it? Or because you fear retribution by its fans? Or because you want to be part of the hype train? |
| An entertaining shitshow. Boring things are boring. |
| woah there |
| Boring masterpiece doesn't make sense but if it did exist I'd say entertaining shitshow |
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| I just want a very SoL-like atmosphere isekai to be adapted |
| Boring Masterpiece. Because I hate to waste my time on useless things. |
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| an entertaining shitshow for sure. call me crazy but i think the most important thing entertainment should be is entertaining. |
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| I would ask for further clarification on what you mean by boring before answering. Like just having a slower pace than you would feel comfortable with doesn't necessarily make something boring, especially if they are using that slow pace to build tension, the world, or the characters. But then again, I watched a lot of regular cinema people would consider boring before getting into anime and, most times at least, I usually always got something out of it. |
| "Boring masterpiece"? What does that even mean? I'll assume that you were trying to say a widely acclaimed show/movie by critics and viewers, but it's boring in your opinion. Well, if it's boring then of course it's not gonna work out. Choose the latter one then. And if you were trying to say a dubbed masterpiece but it's slow, thoughtful and can hardly be entertaining (but not boring), like Kubrick's or Fellini's, then well it's a completely different story. In this case, to me, it depends on what my current mood and what I want. If I want to mire in thoughts and themes, and to experience the art of cinema that people constantly praising, then I'd say I'll go for the dubbed masterpiece. But if I'm bored and just wanted a thoroughly fun and brainless experience, I'll go for the second one. Anyway, I don't think your question was very clear, but if it's boring as stated then I'll pass. |
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| First of all, a masterpiece can't be boring. It's either too complicated for somebody's silly brain or it's really boring and thus is not a masterpiece at all. "Entertaining shitshows" are so-so. You can enjoy them at some point but shit remains shit anyway |
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| it depends on my mood i can handle both :D |
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| I'll take Black Clover over Ghost in The Shell manga if that's what you're asking. |
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| an entertaining shitshow.i need to rest my mind. there's enough crap going on outside society |
Waifwu said: An entertaining masterpiece is ideal ik but if i have to choose between these two i'd always choose the latter. I think the word classic would've been a much better choice than masterpiece Calling something a masterpiece is a personal choice you make and no one will call something that bores them to death that |
JoyBoy_316Jul 12, 2019 3:32 AM
| I like to think there is no such thing as a boring masterpiece. If the show is boring, there is a reason for it and therefore it can't be a masterpiece. But if you're saying something is a masterpiece only because most of people are saying it's a masterpiece, then I'd definitely choose a entertaining shitshow, since I've been disappointed with a lot of high praised shows lately |
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| I would never consider an anime or any other media a masterpiece if it is boring, it has to be entertaining to be considered a masterpiece, i recently thought about this when i recently saw the movie Roma from Alfonso Cuaron, it is considered by many people and critics one of the best movies in recent years but i found it very boring, it is a visual masterpiece i give them that but i found the story and characters to be really bland, to the point where i almost dropped it, so at least for me there can´t be a boring masterpiece, i need to have some fun watching the anime or movie for me to consider it a masterpiece. |
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| I don't consider a boring show a masterpiece to begin with. At best I'll acknowledge the care and thought put into a show but if it didn't hit the marks for me it's still meh. |
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| no, a masterpiece is still better. Idc about your fanservice if you don't provide a story |
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| Masterpiece is not really a quality word, at least not one that is supposed to sit at the top of positive word hierarchy despite what MAL ratings say (which probably was something randomly copy/pasted from elsewhere ages ago). It has more to do what is the most well known and influential work of an artist or some kind of group. Or in other words - popularity, especially long lasting one. Yes, they can be boring and even horrible as age was not necessarily as kind to their way to entertain/engage as it was to their legacy. Frankly speaking I would welcome removing the word from the ratings altogether. As for the question, I rather not be bored out of my mind if possible. |
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