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Dec 20, 2018 2:20 PM

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Calal-Chan said:


"This show is edgy and edgy is bad"


Shows like https://myanimelist.net/anime/35994/Satsuriku_no_Tenshi?q=satsu or https://myanimelist.net/anime/37517/Happy_Sugar_Life?q=happy%20s are good examples of your quote.

But don't get me wrong, the term is poorly used a lot of times. I'm just saying because it reminds me of people that complains about people complaining about generic things hahaha
Dec 20, 2018 2:23 PM

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Arkab said:
"It's generic, it's typical, therefore it can't be good" ... typical doesn't mean bad!


Generic can be good but generic never is going to be great. Also it depends how generic it is, it's not the same 1 troupe than 238686.
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Well this is something I recently saw in a review that is incredible bugging me
Really, part of the reason why I can't quite bring myself to rate this a 10, is because it doesn't stand on its own. To watch season 3 you really need season 1 and season 2, and that's probably 20 hours of show to chew through to get to this part. The payoff is well worth it, especially when the first two seasons were decent to good in their own right, but this isn't something to watch on its own.
I just don't understand how someone can use this as form of logic. Like to just say you have to watch something is awful critic. Doesn't even discuss how those 2 seasons effect the third season in a negative way at all which the review should if possible.



Eh then another thing is people who use sex as critic is something I find rather stupid but funny also. Recent example I can think of is saying seeing Sword Maiden's tits when telling MC she was raped creates tonal dissonance lol



Then there is the stupid idea by people that generic is some how a valid critic that Ill never understand because its simply a fact not something good or bad about the show itself
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DaCraziGuy said:
Calal-Chan said:


"This show is edgy and edgy is bad"


Shows like https://myanimelist.net/anime/35994/Satsuriku_no_Tenshi?q=satsu or https://myanimelist.net/anime/37517/Happy_Sugar_Life?q=happy%20s are good examples of your quote.

But don't get me wrong, the term is poorly used a lot of times. I'm just saying because it reminds me of people that complains about people complaining about generic things hahaha


The thing is it is such a shallow insult. I haven't seen either of those shows, but I know some people like them. The first one I have seen clips and it almost seems like a parody at points. Considering how sarcastic the main guy is. And I know nothing about Happy Sugar Life besides liking a few songs I have heard. The thing is if I go by what you said I might as well call Berserk edgy since when I tried reading the manga I burst out laughing in the first chapter due to how "dark" it was. I don't think the word edgy should ever be used as in insult. It usually shows how simple minded someone is about a show and about how close minded they are about learning why a show is "edgy". Shows usually have a thematic purpose behind it in someway.

And yeah using generic as in insult is pretty silly too. Most people don't realize pretty much everything is generic when you branch out to other mediums. Everything takes from everything.
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DaCraziGuy said:
Calal-Chan said:


"This show is edgy and edgy is bad"


Shows like https://myanimelist.net/anime/35994/Satsuriku_no_Tenshi?q=satsu or https://myanimelist.net/anime/37517/Happy_Sugar_Life?q=happy%20s are good examples of your quote.

But don't get me wrong, the term is poorly used a lot of times. I'm just saying because it reminds me of people that complains about people complaining about generic things hahaha

Thanks for the recommendations!

Honestly when someone calls a show edgy it most likely ends up to be pretty good. People on this website consider Majou Shoujo Site to be bad for fucks sake and that was the best anime of 2018!
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Dec 20, 2018 4:38 PM

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EndlessMaria said:
DaCraziGuy said:


Shows like https://myanimelist.net/anime/35994/Satsuriku_no_Tenshi?q=satsu or https://myanimelist.net/anime/37517/Happy_Sugar_Life?q=happy%20s are good examples of your quote.

But don't get me wrong, the term is poorly used a lot of times. I'm just saying because it reminds me of people that complains about people complaining about generic things hahaha

Thanks for the recommendations!

Honestly when someone calls a show edgy it most likely ends up to be pretty good. People on this website consider Majou Shoujo Site to be bad for fucks sake and that was the best anime of 2018!


I liked Mahou shoujo site, it was a 6 to me. But the 2 I named I hated them. Ousama game and Dorei Ku are also examples of what I said about too edgy, you might enjoy them then.

If you liked the show you named you should check https://myanimelist.net/anime/36266/Mahou_Shoujo_Site , that one is edgy too but better.
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Calal-Chan said:
DaCraziGuy said:


Shows like https://myanimelist.net/anime/35994/Satsuriku_no_Tenshi?q=satsu or https://myanimelist.net/anime/37517/Happy_Sugar_Life?q=happy%20s are good examples of your quote.

But don't get me wrong, the term is poorly used a lot of times. I'm just saying because it reminds me of people that complains about people complaining about generic things hahaha


The thing is it is such a shallow insult. I haven't seen either of those shows, but I know some people like them. The first one I have seen clips and it almost seems like a parody at points. Considering how sarcastic the main guy is. And I know nothing about Happy Sugar Life besides liking a few songs I have heard. The thing is if I go by what you said I might as well call Berserk edgy since when I tried reading the manga I burst out laughing in the first chapter due to how "dark" it was. I don't think the word edgy should ever be used as in insult. It usually shows how simple minded someone is about a show and about how close minded they are about learning why a show is "edgy". Shows usually have a thematic purpose behind it in someway.

And yeah using generic as in insult is pretty silly too. Most people don't realize pretty much everything is generic when you branch out to other mediums. Everything takes from everything.


Like I said, it depends how it's used and I agreed that a lot of people don't used it the right way.

Here is why generic is bad: lack of effort, predictable, boring and just cheap cash grab that takes advantage of casuals or new people to anime.

And one of the latest victims of generic is Isekai, a genre that everyone is hating because they don't know much about anime. All those generic haren shows dealt a big blow to the genre, at least in the west. So yeah, generic is bad in some extremes and is a valid complain sometimes.

And pls, pay atention to the S O M E T I M E S because like I said before, I don't disagree entirely.
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DaCraziGuy said:
Calal-Chan said:


The thing is it is such a shallow insult. I haven't seen either of those shows, but I know some people like them. The first one I have seen clips and it almost seems like a parody at points. Considering how sarcastic the main guy is. And I know nothing about Happy Sugar Life besides liking a few songs I have heard. The thing is if I go by what you said I might as well call Berserk edgy since when I tried reading the manga I burst out laughing in the first chapter due to how "dark" it was. I don't think the word edgy should ever be used as in insult. It usually shows how simple minded someone is about a show and about how close minded they are about learning why a show is "edgy". Shows usually have a thematic purpose behind it in someway.

And yeah using generic as in insult is pretty silly too. Most people don't realize pretty much everything is generic when you branch out to other mediums. Everything takes from everything.


Like I said, it depends how it's used and I agreed that a lot of people don't used it the right way.

Here is why generic is bad: lack of effort, predictable, boring and just cheap cash grab that takes advantage of casuals or new people to anime.

And one of the latest victims of generic is Isekai, a genre that everyone is hating because they don't know much about anime. All those generic haren shows dealt a big blow to the genre, at least in the west. So yeah, generic is bad in some extremes and is a valid complain sometimes.

And pls, pay atention to the S O M E T I M E S because like I said before, I don't disagree entirely.


I know you didn't disagree entirely I just more wanted to flesh out my opinion on it. Since I didn't in my first post. I still think the majority of work is pretty generic though. We just don't know it until we watch even more and learn oh crap my favorite copied from 20 other shows.
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Anything having to do with edge. It seems to be blanket complaint these days.

One size fits all and whatnot.
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"This show is bad because I don't like the message".

A show doesn't have to be something you personally agree with, shows that are more on the metaphorical or psychological side are there to have you think, and not agreeing with whatever message they choose to hammer in doesn't mean it deserves a 3. That's only warranted if the way they attempt to portray the message is sloppy
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DaCraziGuy said:
EndlessMaria said:

Thanks for the recommendations!

Honestly when someone calls a show edgy it most likely ends up to be pretty good. People on this website consider Majou Shoujo Site to be bad for fucks sake and that was the best anime of 2018!


I liked Mahou shoujo site, it was a 6 to me. But the 2 I named I hated them. Ousama game and Dorei Ku are also examples of what I said about too edgy, you might enjoy them then.

If you liked the show you named you should check https://myanimelist.net/anime/36266/Mahou_Shoujo_Site , that one is edgy too but better.

Yeah I found Mahou Shoujo Site to be phenomenal. I hope it gets a second season!
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DaCraziGuy said:
This show is shit because the male mc is protected by girls.


Dude, someone on this site actually argued that "strong females" was a trope more tired than personality-less self insert MC and that he was tired of them. Like ffs a female character being competent isn't a trope. Big agree, on this and your next couple.

DaCraziGuy said:
This show is so random/confusing, this is shit. (even tho the show has a linear plot that explains everything)

They don't explain anything, this is so bad. (Tag: MYSTERY... omg, this one is the worse)


I really like the Higurashi series. Like a lot. And I stg I've spoken to multiple people that dropped it halfway through season one cause "it didn't explain anything." The way the resets are done though, you can either assume A) Each is an alternative universe and nothing really needs explaining. Or B) They'll explain it later. Which they did. In the very good season two that lots of people never got to cause they're too impatient to watch a proper mystery/thriller.
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"Too edgy..."
"Too girly..."
"Nothing happens in slice of life..."

"Its cute and moeshit is garbage..."
"Its not cute enough where are the waifus..."

Two sides of the same coin.

"It looks old and bad..."
"All new anime is shit..."

I especially dislike when people make complaints like "It's too trashy," when they decide to watch a seasonal trashy, guilty pleasure show. Like ofc its trashy what did you expect? Personally, I don't generally care for these kinds of shows. But you'll never see me calling them objectively bad because "oh no, not boobs." Same with "it had mecha." Well bitch if you don't like mecha then why tf did you watch a mecha show?? Or when people hate on a comedy because they personally weren't into its kind of humor. Comedy is literally one of the most subjective things on the planet like...? I once stumbled across someone who hated Nichijou with a passion. (One of my favorites.) And they were so convinced it was objectively obnoxious, tasteless, garbage that surely, the only reason so many people claim its good is to do so ironically or to jump on the bandwagon. Even ignoring all the stuff outside it's comedy which I love (and I love the comedy too,) I wish I'd asked "Don't you think that maybe the reason so many people like it is cause... idk... a lot of people think its good? And that there's maybe a reason for that? And that your opinion isn't fact...?"

Lastly, when people say ___ genre is always bad and I hate it.
"Shounen is always bad..."
"Ecchi is always bad..."
"Magical girl, mecha, horror, idol, comedy, slice of life, moe, etc etc... is always bad."

Nothing about a genre in it of itself makes everything within that genre objectively bad. You may not particularly care for a majority of a genre. But that doesn't make all of it 100% bad no ifs ands or buts. Like I said, I don't usually watch ecchi sorta stuff. But there are ecchi shows I do in fact like, cause nothing about fanservice on its own automatically ruins anything a series has to offer. I like Kill la Kill a bunch and that's ecchi as fuck. Monogatari has tons of fanservice. Still thoroughly enjoy the series.
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"The anime doesn't follow the source word by word, beat by beat, therefore it's trash"

As if it's a requirement for the anime to cram every single fat from the source into its 4 hours run time.
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I don't understand when people say that ending ruined the series, it was already bad from the start.


There are a lot of shows in which the ending or the last arcs are what turns the anime/manga into a pile of garbage. I would rather have the writers taking a break before writing the ending to make sure it is good.
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It's old, so it's outdated by current year standards
It's new, and has the same trash problems as all other new series
Nostalgic series A is better than new comparable series B, though I'm not going to say what flaws that both series have in common to make it a fair comparison

Graphic rape scenes, exploding pregnant women - sm1 give berserk award plz
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I really like the Higurashi series. Like a lot. And I stg I've spoken to multiple people that dropped it halfway through season one cause "it didn't explain anything." The way the resets are done though, you can either assume A) Each is an alternative universe and nothing really needs explaining. Or B) They'll explain it later. Which they did. In the very good season two that lots of people never got to cause they're too impatient to watch a proper mystery/thriller.


Hahahaa, I'm actually one of those that dropped it. But it was because I usually don't enjoy the kind of show nor how it was presented and I didn't liked the characters. I can't enjoy that kind of shows and I know that I don't have any objective reason.
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"Steins;Gate 0 destroyed the franchise"
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I've legit seen people criticize and dislike shows like Kuroko no Basuke, Free, and Haikyuu just for having a male-focused cast instead of female like what? You're that shallow to where you need boobs bouncing up and down on your screen all the time to keep you entertained? The reverse of this probably happens but I've only ever seen this angle.
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Any criticism towards Hunter X Hunter.

Legit perfection of a show. We need to start a petition to add "Masterpiece x Masterpiece" under synonyms for the show.
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Yes, and Erased was never a 'romance' anime to begin with. I do agree that the ending was rushed but the final episode was perfect, I really loved the very last scene! :)

In my case, I don't understand any criticism on my favourite anime, I believe my favourites are the absolute best and flawless.
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DaCraziGuy said:
Aidyr said:


I really like the Higurashi series. Like a lot. And I stg I've spoken to multiple people that dropped it halfway through season one cause "it didn't explain anything." The way the resets are done though, you can either assume A) Each is an alternative universe and nothing really needs explaining. Or B) They'll explain it later. Which they did. In the very good season two that lots of people never got to cause they're too impatient to watch a proper mystery/thriller.


Hahahaa, I'm actually one of those that dropped it. But it was because I usually don't enjoy the kind of show nor how it was presented and I didn't liked the characters. I can't enjoy that kind of shows and I know that I don't have any objective reason.


That's fair. Not enjoying the characters is a fine reason to dislike the series. But had it been "they don't explain anything" I'd be more disappointed. Although its not a perfect series. Higurashi Kira could stand for some improvement. Mostly they could remove the first episode entirely and make the last one a two parter.
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"Criticism You Don't Understand"

1. It lacks characterization and character development.
In particular cases it's a valid point but not every story needs them.

2. No exposition it should be "Show don't tell"l!
In some cases exposition is more appropriate.

3. This show is too episodic!
It highly depends on what kind of story the author is tying to tell. Some work better in longs arcs and overarcing mysteries, other with small facets from the whole picture.


Yes, they can be used appropriately but people frequently abuse them just to bash on some title they dislike.
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"It's pretentious".

Well I'll never get why some people are always saying that something that they don't like (maybe because it's complex or because it's not like other things) its pretentious.
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I don’t understand why The tone of an anime or any story for that matter changing is a valid criticism.

It makes it even more realistic... since in real life, It’s not always Doom and gloom, and nor are we always happy...We have our good moments and we have our bad moments.
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I don’t understand why The tone of an anime or any story for that matter changing is a valid criticism.

It makes it even more realistic... since in real life, It’s not always Doom and gloom, and nor are we always happy...We have our good moments and we have our bad moments.


It does matter if the tonal shift is too extreme or poorly placed. In anime, that's a problem and it does break immersion. There are anime that do tonal shifts naturally like Spice and Wolf but they are very rare.

For instance, Sangatsu no Lion has some jarring tonal shifts that are hurting the focus at least so far. Your Lie in April was the worst offender of this.
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I've legit seen people criticize and dislike shows like Kuroko no Basuke, Free, and Haikyuu just for having a male-focused cast


For free swimming club the criticism people had was
the use of reverse sexism/objectification of men body’s
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ecchiharemgeek said:
JoshsoJB said:
I've legit seen people criticize and dislike shows like Kuroko no Basuke, Free, and Haikyuu just for having a male-focused cast


For free swimming club the criticism was
the use of sexism/objectification of men body’s

i still don't understand why you care about this so much man ._.

just let them do their thing, it isn't hurting anything

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Hajime_Hinata said:
I don’t understand why The tone of an anime or any story for that matter changing is a valid criticism.

It makes it even more realistic... since in real life, It’s not always Doom and gloom, and nor are we always happy...We have our good moments and we have our bad moments.


It does matter if the tonal shift is too extreme or poorly placed. In anime, that's a problem and it does break immersion. There are anime that do tonal shifts naturally like Spice and Wolf but they are very rare.

For instance, Sangatsu no Lion has some jarring tonal shifts that are hurting the focus at least so far. Your Lie in April was the worst offender of this.
Yes, I agree anything that is executed poorly is bad, but some people criticize tone shifts just for the reason that the story’s tone changed.(Ie:My teen romantic comedy snafu.)
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"It's poorly paced." when used just because a show simply has an odd pacing. "Tone shifts." usually shows up in conjunction. What do people want? Cookie cutter paced monotonous shows? I guess that explains why endless shounens with endless battles with endless recaps are so popular...
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ecchiharemgeek said:
JoshsoJB said:
I've legit seen people criticize and dislike shows like Kuroko no Basuke, Free, and Haikyuu just for having a male-focused cast


For free swimming club the criticism people had was
the use of reverse sexism/objectification of men body’s


So let me get this straight whenever a anime objectifies female characters it's okay. But god forbid they the opposite it's a threat to society?

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Saying Boku no Hero is a generic shounen by having attributes that are common in these types of series but can never articulate as to why these elements that are adopted are bad for the story. It also lends to people not seeing any depth going on in the background "blah blah" this character is one note, "Oh I'm sorry, did you need the mangaka to hold your hand and tell you why the plot is moving and how the characters have changed" < < Feel like the case every single time I talk to anyone's negative stance on the series.
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The double standard that is believing that anime doesn't care about the Western fandom/culture, while at the same time trying to reaffirm your views of Western fandom/culture through anime and assuming that it caters to your own Western political spectrum, is one of the nicest samples of intellectual dishonesty out there.

Urgh, I was arguing with one such specimen just last week... It's like someone failed to inform them that Edo period ended already in 1860s.

I must also echo people complaining about "it's old, so it's bad" criticisms. You hear that way too much.
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To this day, I am not really into the nitpick only kind of criticism. Where plot holes are the focus. Sure, you can include this but don't make it the only thing you say about a show. It's an extremely vapid and frankly pointless endeavor. It fails as actual criticism too.
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"Hey this Slice of Life anime sucks because it is really slow y'know"

...and others which criticise an anime for doing exactly what it was supposed to do.
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There are various examples of criticisms I don't really "get" scattered amongst the handful of things that I really like that others seem to have middling opinions about -- Beatless is the most recent one for example, though Final Fantasy: the Spirits Within is another.
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"It's bad because that's what youtuber I subscribe said so"



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Saying Boku no Hero is a generic shounen by having attributes that are common in these types of series



Their not wrong it is every cliche superhero/shounen trope
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"this version is better because it is more consistent with the manga"
but if i never plan to read the manga, for all i know you could be lying and the other version is consistent with the manga
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I've legit seen people criticize and dislike shows like rosario vampire and My First Girlfriend Is a Gal for “not following the manga/LN”
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"It looks bad, because it's old"...
ya same, its fine to compare it to shows of ova/films from around the same time but ya its old so it looks bad is a shitty argument against an old show.
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"This anime did one thing wrong so obviously I'm rating it a 1 and ignoring all the things it did that were actually good" (and the reverse)

"I haven't seen it but....*negative comment here*"

"I didn't like it because the main character was too powerful"
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It's edgy.
It's not cell animation.
It has no deep social message,theme, substance etc.
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The original ending of evangelion and overall evangelion in general.
Also FMAB ...while i agree its not as good as its rating but its not a bad show.
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basically same as above

"i don't like X anime so imma give it 1" well i gave sao fair score despite i don't like it
”nothing happened in SoL and it's automatically trash”
“it's pretentious chinese cartoon so it's good but ignoring why it's gud”
"it's predictable therefore it's bad" so what i predict most of events in LoGh still gud animu to me
“it's an old animu”
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