My Problem With Anime Fans

Gintokikachi said:
This whole post is basically elitism and people who hate others opinion because it's different, still elitism. I've seen plenty of people hate SAO and for good reasons. Yes, the hate bandwagon is there and will always be, though I never ride on it. I see more open minded people on MAL tbh with you and if they hate something, I've seen them bringing good reasoning. The focus on your post are the bandwagons which is something I ignore since it brings the hype, and the hate.

Manaban said:
It's all just a matter of the anime fandom being Balkanized to shit. Anything else is hopeless because people are so steeped in it that trying to be diplomatic and be patient with people is fucking pointless. Just hunker down on whatever side you take or whatever faction you're with and fuck everybody else. That's the only way to stay sane in this shitheap.

Gintokikachi said:
I mean, that's my 2nd statement are the bandwagons that can be influenced by YouTubers. Well, I don't care, I don't watch much of those anime YouTubers likes Super Eyepatch, Digibro or anyone. And I mean, your first statement is about elitism....about fans self-imposing them as if they look an intelligent.

Well, the thing is, the things that did "right" are quite visible at times. And I think the OP main character they are even talking about are the actual bad ones like the one in Isekai smartphone. It's not that hard to see. Then again, I didn't like OPM either, so what do I know...

Comic_Sans said:
I'm not going to read a 1000+ word long essay in Jamaican English. TL;DR please

BurningSpirit said:
But geez, why do you care? "Why XXX sucks?" can be found on almost all popular anime.

BurningSpirit said:
I didn't find SAO to be anything special, didn't particularly like or dislike it either. Never watch Quan Shi Gao Shou and don't intend to. I find Kakegurui pretty average and pretty bad actually when it came to its gambling aspects. Your point?

Not that I hate popular anime, because I love quite a few popular ones. Also on a side note, based on MAL score people actually liked SAO more than Kakegurui... so yeah.

I'm well-aware most people who watch anime like to dissociate themselves from the "anime community", heck even I do. I only know like 1 other person in my life that has a MAL account, despite knowing dozens of people who watch anime. A handful of them watched like 100+ anime too.

Who thinks what is said on anime related content is representative of every anime watchers opinion? You might want to be talking to and discussing anime with smarter people.

However while most anime watchers don't express their opinions, most do watch some anime related content unless you are referring to those people who only have watched a handful of anime. Those people who have only watched a handful of anime don't exactly "watch anime", they just watch whatever shows comes up to them and they just so happen to watch a few. I don't really consider these people anime watchers, and I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't ever once consumed anime related content outside of watching the show itself. Again, your point?

You are kinda just strawmanning and stating the obvious, then pretending you are making a point. You seriously should considering ignoring anyone who doesn't at least understand that most opinions online isn't representative of the opinion of everyone, especially because it's blatantly obvious the vast majority of people in any community are lurkers.

Deknijff said:
I just want to say the fact they like something that is like something they tend to hate isn't always hypocritical considering there can be exceptions to certain things
for example I hate weak cry babies like these guys

But I don't hate Yukinari Sasaki so he becomes an exception

Gintokikachi said:
Some people are just blind to things that are subjective. I never cared for the Did Right videos since I know it will add conflict anyway. I already see your point that art shouldn't be seen objectively. Everyone has their own taste, someone calls Mona Lisa shit? That's them.

My taste is also diverse as you can easily see in my favorites. I like brilliantly thought provoking shows then there are my harem and ecchi shows. That is why one time, I swear, when one of the video I watched that said "To Love-Ru is bad" in a video about Jojo references in other works, it honestly pissed me off a little. I love Jojo and the guy who made the video, but I have seen the guy that can easily tick off people. I love To Love-Ru for my own reasons, it relinquish my stress, that is one. Yet, people just say it's shit because it's some ecchi harem show. I definitely get you, but people can't just leave there small mental world in circle jerking.

Rei366 said:


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Not as long as you said, plus there is nothing wrong with his text apart from his difficulty to form coherent paragraphs.

TLDR is a bad trend, like most Internet trends.

Hrybami said:
I feel you honestly and I have this same issue with other people on MAL.

It's like that they absolutely hate everythig Otaku-pandering but they still praise the shit out of Evangelion anyway. Another example is how hunter x hunter is praised for being a well executed shounen compared to other shounen that are obviously bad in their opinion. While in reality, hxh just have as much issue as the next shounen.

I was also tired of these people but now I don't really care about them anymore because I know that they are just trying to be wannabe elitist. They are mostly insignificant to me.

Written on my phone.

Gintokikachi said:
I feel you brother. I feel you. I do also think the fanservice isn't the problem. I mean come on, it's ecchi, you go in an ecchi show expecting no fanservice? The fuck is wrong with anyone who watches ecchi with that expectations. Well, I never really hated any fanservice, mostly xD

Halpher said:
The wording of your post is weird. Look at "The Fall Of Bleach" video. Many people use that video to state why Bleach failed and in that video it states some things that people now use to state what is requied such as a "necessity".

Halpher said:
Also you are advising me to ignore them, but how do you know that I don't already ignore them? You can ignore them and still have a problem.
Someone can scream in your ear and you can ignore it and you can still have a problem as thats why you stay away from that person.

Halpher said:
Your first Point asking me "Your Point?" is weird. What is my point there? I'm not defending a show or saying one is better than the other necessarily. Thats not even the point at all.
I am stating the "Obvious" if you think so.

Halpher said:
The Title is "My problem with fans"
It's my issue and why I feel this way. The point is to state what my problem is and you act like since it's obvious it can't be a point? I don't know...your post is weird and i'm not very sure of what you're saying.
Literally it's my problem and whether it's obvious or not it doesn't take away from the fact that I state it's my problem.

Halpher said:

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However I feel those who hate Sword Art Online just hate on it just to validate that they have good taste or follow the crowd. The lies I see told about Sword Art Online piss me off and it's not fair to the anime. If you're going to dislike the show atleast be honest about it.
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It's because people can watch The Kings Avatar's (snip) and love it despite it having issues like SAO did.
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BurningSpirit said:


Sure. I've not watched Bleach so I've got no comments on that those particular haters. But geez, why do you care? "Why XXX sucks?" can be found on almost all popular anime.

If you are so intent on defending Bleach go ahead, I do it sometimes with the series I like.



Because you create a thread on the forum regarding the topic?

There we go again, conflating opinions on the Internet and maybe occasional trolling with real life harrassment. You can call the cops if someone harassed you because that's actually hard to ignore, but you can ignore a poorly formulated opinion or a statement meant to get a reaction out of people.




It was to make a point as an opener to my post, clearly stating that I don't fit into the group of people you are criticising.

"Stating the obvious" was meant for your second point.



You are complaining about people who use opinions online as a representation of opinions as as whole, you even acknowledge it's a minority of people that do this. There are always going to be that minority of people, and most of us know they exist. Sure you are free to post about it, but I'm just here telling you that most of us know already, so your efforts of creating a thread is in vain as it neither informs nor helps correct the people you are referring to.

Also you can ignore people. You seem to be putting in a lot of effort thinking, so channel it to create actual productive discussion rather than thinking about about small minority of people who can't think for themselves anyways, so they wait for anime youtubers to post and pretty much want their opinion told to them.

le_halfhand_easy said:


F*CKING THANK YOU !

It's sickening how people call it the better SAO simply because there is no Digibro to bash it and an influx of anime YouTubers following suit and regurgitating the same old arguments to the point where it becomes synonymous with the word shitshow and it's now the cool thang to hate. (Yes, thang.)

It's like nobody watched Pokemon: Hoopa and the Clash of Ages to see what a real f*cking shitshow looks like.

All it does is remind me that some "critically-acclaimed masterpieces" are circlejerked to remain unassailable "masterpieces" and are un-ironically considered testament to intelligence and rational thinking when sheepism is basically what's keeping it afloat.

Halpher said:

It's called "E-Sports the anime" while not actually focusing on the E-Sports side.
It's like people just repeat what everyone else said.

Halpher said:



I agree. HXH being my most favorite series isn't outselling Naruto in any way. It isn't outselling SAO and neither is it outselling Bleach.
I like how they state "The Perfect Anime" yet they are in the minority. Why aren't people watching the "Perfect Anime"? Are they stupid or is it they don't think what you think is the perfect anime or maybe they didn't know it existed.

Manaban said:
It's all just a matter of the anime fandom being Balkanized to shit. Anything else is hopeless because people are so steeped in it that trying to be diplomatic and be patient with people is fucking pointless. Just hunker down on whatever side you take or whatever faction you're with and fuck everybody else. That's the only way to stay sane in this shitheap.

Aslt said:
Thank you, for bringing up Kakegurui and comparing it to Sword Art Online. I genuinely don't understand how someone can enjoy it when they didn't like Sword Art Online. Like garbage but dislike garbage? Ok then.

I fucking love you for this thread.

iscum said:
off topic but i'm surprised someone mentioned the word elitist and no one is screaming LoGH and EoE yet

it's kinda of a rule on this forum

Aslt said:
Thank you, for bringing up Kakegurui and comparing it to Sword Art Online. I genuinely don't understand how someone can enjoy it when they didn't like Sword Art Online. Like garbage but dislike garbage? Ok then.

I fucking love you for this thread.

Halpher said:
Introduction
Some of you may already be aware of who I am. I stayed up for almost 24 hours yesterday and when I got home from the mall I played NBA2k11 and went straight to sleep after to answer why some may haven't seen me respond to the "Other" forum.
I want to make people aware that this isn't really what you expect. My opinions from my perception feels like it's in the minority than anything else.

Some Anime Fans Are Hypocritical, Pretentious, Superficial, Elitists
I hope that didn't get redundant. I think when it pertains to real iife? People who are fans or like anime aren't really similar to those I encounter on the internet. Infact only anime fans in real life I see are the ones who act like Japan > Every American Media and be like "Anime > Cartoons" "Anime is flawless". Kind of weeb behavior and some of those fans who run in the hallway like Naruto. This isn't about them though. The ones on the internet piss me off. I call them hypocritical for a reason. Sword Art Online is one of the most hated shows and I also think Sword Art Online is shit However I feel those who hate Sword Art Online just hate on it just to validate that they have good taste or follow the crowd. The lies I see told about Sword Art Online piss me off and it's not fair to the anime. If you're going to dislike the show atleast be honest about it.
There are things people hated about SAO and people made it clear on how they did not prefer the writing....but you know why I mention this?
It's because people can watch Kings Avatar and Kakegurui and love it despite it having issues like SAO did. People always misunderstand why I have a problem with this thinking I have an issue with people liking it. It's not I have an issue with people liking it....it's that I have an issue with "Certain People" liking it.

If you state you hate every kind of Vanilla then you eat some Vanilla flavor snack saying it's Perfect....I call bullshit. Now don't get me wrong..people can change their minds about things, but no one I ever see really admits that. I see people saying The perfect way to write anime, This is how Anime should be written, The rules of narrative, Insert Rules for everything, Why this show is successful and why we love it Then literally go against what they established by liking something that contradicts those set of rules or ideals.
I can respect Kakegurui, Sword Art Online and Kings Avatar Fans and People who dislike the shows, but I don't respect hypocrites. It's the lack of self-respect for your own self and the pompous, pretentious feeling of people who think they know what they're talking about, but know nothing at all. They want the industry to listen to them when they're inconsistent. It's why despite not liking SAO I dislike many who dislike SAO because they just spout bullshit about the show just to spite it.

There are people who can explain why a show is popular then act like the internet represents the entire fan-base
If you really want me to be honest with you....many people don't know many popular Anime Youtubers and many don't get on MAL. I know many Anime Fans in real life who don't get on MAL or the internet. Not all anime fans are gathered on these site and possibly not even a majority of them are even here at all. It's like when I seen Anime Youtubers Shame Fans who pirate and illegally stream anime when literally EVERY ANIME FAN YOU COME ACROSS ILLEGALLY STREAMS! I think the internet creates this bubble for them thinking the internet represents what the world thinks.
There are alot of people who love SAO then hate it, but many people on the internet will act like SAO was shattered to pieces when Season 3 will come out and take everyones attention again and people will most likely watch Season 3 because many people actually like SAO. I met many people in real life and causually at School when I used to go everyone in the class to Casual to Frequent have all seen it and many have liked it.
But on Youtube you will see the dislike for SAO to be high.
If in real life you can find more SAO Fans commonly than SAO haters (The Minority) Then what does that say?
I want people to understand this Popularity doesn't equate to a show being good
It's funny because people can say why an anime they liked was successful was because it was good...they can't explain that for an anime that they dislike which they think it was bad.
People should understand that the world does not revolve around your opinion or you at all.
There are other people who make up this world and have different beliefs, personalities and preferences from you. If you can look at it from their perspective to why they like something it can easily make you understand why they like it....it's called Opening your Mind

This is my main problem with anime fans.

Wasshio said:
As some people mentioned here, most of your problems comes from the "fandoms" standpoint. Which is something that I don't really like about anime fandoms because they go complete hypocritical sometimes. But that doesn't necessarily mean that they would be hypocritical every time.

People can dislike whatever they want though no matter the connotation nor the reasons it is. Even if it is stupid (unless its complete asinine argument to where it breaks basis of logic) @CodeBlazeFate remember the Hand Shakers thing *cough*