Should sexual violence against women in Japanese media be banned?
| Do you think that media representing violence against women made from Japan should be banned? The UN definitely thought so. To be clear though we're not just talking about panty shots and petty fanservice, or girls only fighting shows where their clothes rip off when they fight each other here. This includes hentai which can consist of rape, torture, bdsm, humiliation, impregnation... the list goes on. Obviously some pretty fucked up shit, but does it deserve to be banned? The UN has actually tried to ban this, but has been met with a clear resounding no from Japan and I find the reason behind it to be really interesting. http://nichegamer.com/2016/03/01/japanese-representative-refutes-un-suggestion-to-ban-media-depicting-sexual-violence/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/olliebarder/2016/03/03/japanese-response-to-un-proposed-ban-for-media-depicting-sexual-violence-is-cogent-and-sane/#57983ff85b3e So to basically summarize its a reals over feels argument. The careers and livelihood of the real life women working in those industries in Japan are more important than the depictions of the fictional women in the media, whether that be anime (hentai), videogames, manga etc. I know a lot of people have some very strong opinions about depictions of women here though, so I'm curious do you agree with Japan (specifically Kumiko Yamada of the Japanese Women’s Institute Of Contemporary Media Culture) or with the United Nations on this issue? Also my favorite waifu meme image, which is actually super relevant this time |
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| Firstly UN Should give some f**k about syira iraq and afghanistan not the fictional things |
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| If the sexual violence is purely to further the story, that's fine. If the sexual violence is, in any way, meant to titillate the audience, fuck that shit, get rid of it. |
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| I support Freedom of Expression. Women could be represented however the author wants. Zelkiiro said: If the sexual violence is, in any way, meant to titillate the audience, fuck that shit, get rid of it. There is nothing wrong with appealing to one's audience. It's called Freedom! |
| fam that shit is a yr old *notlikethis* |
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| The UN should get violent tsunderes banned instead for promoting violence against men. Screwed up stuff is common in porn in general so it's not like hentai is specifically promoting sexual violence against women. Live action porn has gangbang and other stuff that can be considered sexual violence against women but on the other side there is also balls busting which is major sexual violence against men. Getting kicked in the balls too hard can damage the male reproductive system. |
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AA5x4 said: Zelkiiro said: If the sexual violence is purely to further the story, that's fine. If the sexual violence is, in any way, meant to titillate the audience, fuck that shit, get rid of it. I agree with you. It's bad for anime to have scenes of sexual violence just to amuse the audience. So you support censorship, because it fits your social narrative. So with that mindset, you are fine with Christians trying to ban violence, cause it goes against their social narrative. Or do you think your views are better than theirs, so you are "right". |
| @LoneWolf Just wondering, did you create this thread because my anti-feminist threads encouraged you? AA5x4 said: Nyu said: So you support censorship, because it fits your social narrative. So with that mindset, you are fine with Christians trying to ban violence, cause it goes against their social narrative. Or do you think your views are better than theirs, so you are "right". How is Christianity related to this issue? Or should I say Religion... I was pointing out how Christians (during the 90s) had the same view as you. Back then they were trying to get violent video games banned. And comparing it with your view, how anime is bad if it doesn't conform to your social views. |
RuneRemJun 15, 2017 7:30 PM
Zelkiiro said: If the sexual violence is purely to further the story, that's fine. If the sexual violence is, in any way, meant to titillate the audience, fuck that shit, get rid of it. AA5x4 said: Zelkiiro said: If the sexual violence is purely to further the story, that's fine. If the sexual violence is, in any way, meant to titillate the audience, fuck that shit, get rid of it. I agree with you. It's bad for anime to have scenes of sexual violence just to amuse the audience. if you guys don't gtfoh with that SJW garbage, art is about freedom of expression the author can do w/e the fuck they want.. its fiction, and the beauty of fiction is that it can be made HOWEVER, and has no rules |
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| @Nyu Specifically the article you brought up on this issue yeah. You want a mention in the OP? Didn't mean to steal your thunder or anything, just thought it deserved a thread of it's own considering what it says about Japanese culture and how they view their media. Also it seems like something a lot of people (including myself) were unaware. |
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LoneWolf said: @Nyu Specifically the article you brought up on this issue yeah. You want a mention in the OP? Didn't mean to steal your thunder or anything, just thought it deserved a thread of it's own considering what it says about Japanese culture and how they view their media. Also it seems like something a lot of people (including myself) were unaware. Nah, ya don't need to credit me, I was interested to see if I was having an impact on people here. Great thread dude, it certainly does deserve its own thread. |
EcchiLordMamster said: Zelkiiro said: If the sexual violence is purely to further the story, that's fine. If the sexual violence is, in any way, meant to titillate the audience, fuck that shit, get rid of it. AA5x4 said: I agree with you. It's bad for anime to have scenes of sexual violence just to amuse the audience. if you guys don't gtfoh with that SJW garbage, art is about freedom of expression the author can do w/e the fuck they want.. its fiction, and the beauty of fiction is that it can be made HOWEVER, and has no rules Not wanting to see sexual assault glorified makes you a "SJW" now? I don't even... |
SuperRed said: EcchiLordMamster said: if you guys don't gtfoh with that SJW garbage, art is about freedom of expression the author can do w/e the fuck they want.. its fiction, and the beauty of fiction is that it can be made HOWEVER, and has no rules Not wanting to see sexual assault glorified makes you a "SJW" now? I don't even... saying that something should be removed because it bothers you is some SJW bullshit |
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EcchiLordMamster said: saying that something should be removed because it bothers you is some SJW bullshit Dude, just think about the hypocrisy. When gaming was under attack by Christians, who wanted violent video games banned, these same people would of used your argument "saying that something should be removed because it bothers you". |
| Eh. I'm just going to say this. The only time I ever found a rape scene genuinely compelling (as in, it felt truly disturbing and heartbreaking and didn't just feel cringy and absurd), was in Black Lagoon: Roberta's Blood Trail, which is probably one of the darkest and most tragic things I ever saw in an anime. Most rape scenes don't feel real, probably because I'm not a rapist and don't think like that. But most rape scenes in general have a 'ridiculous' feel to them, either because of the appearances of those involved, or because of the animation style. I guess this is sort of off topic, but I felt like it had some relevance to the discussion at hand. |
Nyu said: Dude, just think about the hypocrisy. When gaming was under attack by Christians, who wanted violent video games banned, these same people would of used your argument "saying that something should be removed because it bothers you". how does this argue against what i said? _Lightsbane said: EcchiLordMamster said: saying that something should be removed because it bothers you is some SJW bullshit You don't have to have it removed. You can offer feedback or just avoid the product. I don't like stuff that's just there to titillate, so that's what I do. Do I think it shouldn't exist? Well, it's always going to, because people keep paying for it. Censorship wouldn't solve a thing, but voting with our wallets would. i don't understand why people have to bitch instead of just not watching |
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| Freedom of speech allows you to bitch about anything you want. People can't be forced to not complain if they dislike something. |
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EcchiLordMamster said: Nyu said: Dude, just think about the hypocrisy. When gaming was under attack by Christians, who wanted violent video games banned, these same people would of used your argument "saying that something should be removed because it bothers you". how does this argue against what i said? I really should explain things better, this is becoming a grind. The guy you were responding to, his point was - He doesn't like something, thus doesn't want it to be in anime. If you know anything about gaming, you would know it went through a similar phase, Christians wanted violent video games banned, why? Because they didn't like violent games, thus didn't want them to exist. The dude, you were responding to said he wasn't a SJW, So if he is - He would more than likely be against Christians trying to ban media. If he isn't - Well, by saying he wasn't an SJW, yet having a somewhat SJW viewpoint, means he is a moderate. And moderates are more than likely against censorship of video games. _Lightsbane said: EcchiLordMamster said: i don't understand why people have to bitch instead of just not watching There's just one problem. Sometimes it's like fan service, you're just watching a random anime and BAM! Here's a little rape to wake you the hell up. And let's not play dumb here, that shit's all over Japanese media. When you've got nothing else, a little shock factor will go a long way. Hmm, that sounds familiar, just like how Political Correctness is forced into every work of fiction in the West. |
RuneRemJun 15, 2017 8:31 PM
TohkaKotori said: Real-life Sexual violence against anyone is alot more serious than the supposed sexual violence in anime. Tell that to the Covenant. Oh, I mean, tell that to the United Nations and Feminists. |
| [quote=_Lightsbane message=51124080] EcchiLordMamster said: There's just one problem. Sometimes it's like fan service, you're just watching a random anime and BAM! Here's a little rape to wake you the hell up. Keep in mind, I'm not against sexual violence. I'm against gratuitous sexual violence. And let's not play dumb here, that shit's all over Japanese media. When you've got nothing else, a little shock factor will go a long way. But as I said, bans are not the way, and it would never happen over there anyway. So it doesn't even matter... you do realize that surprise factor is a fetish for many people, right? when something is ingrained in the plot or w/e, it doesn't give the same thrill as when you don't see it coming, its like how when someone gives you a gift out of nowhere, you're going to be more excited about the gift than if you already know you're getting something DrGeroCreation said: Freedom of speech allows you to bitch about anything you want. People can't be forced to not complain if they dislike something. ofc it does, and it always gives me the freedom to bitch about their bitching @Nyu oh yea, i had a feeling you were agreeing with me LOL, yes its pretty much the same thing |
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EcchiLordMamster said: Yeah we all have the freedom to bitch but bitching about others bitching creates a cycle of non stop bitching.ofc it does, and it always gives me the freedom to bitch about their bitching |
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| Fiction is fiction and entertainment is entertainment- if you don't like what a certain series is doing, then just don't watch it. Most of these things have tags, and forums like MAL exist so most of the time, potential viewers know what to expect. Do I like tentacle rape and harems? No, I really don't. So what do I do? I make sure to steer clear of titles with the tags "harem" and "rape". Unfortunately things don't just disappear because we don't approve of them...and these things cater to some people or they wouldn't exist. It's just like trying to ban video games for explicit violence...if the industry nitpicked at everything in fear of offending the public or peoples morals, there'd be no entertainment industry left! |
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DrGeroCreation said: EcchiLordMamster said: Yeah we all have the freedom to bitch but bitching about others bitching creates a cycle of non stop bitching.ofc it does, and it always gives me the freedom to bitch about their bitching while it kind of does, theres people that like the stuff i say, so im here for them I know, but they can't have it both ways. If they want to appeal to people who get off on that, they need to be aware that they're going to alienate people like me. I've never bought the BD of a show that pulled shit like that, and I never will. If you want to, go nuts buddy, but I think it belongs in the trash.[/quote] ok, and so what? not everything can appeal to everyone, and honestly, thats just a personal problem, as it is with most bitch about anime "i can't get into this because it has this thing i don't like" 100% personal issue |
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| why ban it? if you dont like you can always watch one of the thousands of anime that dont have sexual violence |
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| you can't stop me re-watching kodomo no jikan... also the author is female... lot of ecchi mangaka in fact female (and their art oftenly glorious)... your morality actually hurt real woman who get their life from that... woman has same tallent in this area than man... even highly more potential since they actually know how woman body works and for me, it sexier that way... slight reminder that kuzu no honkai original creator is female as well... |
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| nah not really! some people actually like things like these cough* .me. cough* still tho the classic hentai was pretty gruesome! the hentai being released nowadays is not that gore instead most of hentai we see are vanilla if there is any tentacle rape hentai then the most violent it goes is as much as getting the girl pregnant! |
| >Get Molested in every Train by some petty old geezer. This is just ain't right and very common to looked up. Unless, Every society falls onto that laws are really neither legal and should be directly against by witnessing some ulterior motives which can highly pursue any set of methods |
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| I'm sure it would sound good to criminalize drawings of sexual violence... Even more if the artist is female and UN would stop her from exploring her sexual fantasies or even worse her own sexual assault experience. And because were people who want equality lets also stop sexual violence towards boys and men too in anime and manga! Lets just ban yaoi altogether because it's full of rape and it's romanticed af, i'm sorry teenage girls I don't make the rules UN does :( Lets also stop those gay men from drawing porn for other gay men! Oh man Gengoroh Tagame is going to get a life time in prison. |
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| Fiction is still fiction, same problem with lolis. If you can't distinguish between fiction and real life you have a serious problem. |
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| Drawings are not real people Does that answer your question? |
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LoneWolf said: Do you think that media representing violence against women made from Japan should be banned? In short, NO. 1) No matter how distasteful you find them, it is important for the media to be able to discuss questions like sexual violence. Trying to sweep them under the rug before they are solved is evil. Now, I understand that "Rape!Rape!Rape!" probably doesn't take the subject as seriously as "Ookami-san to Shichinin no Nakama-tachi". But any ban implemented by politicians will necessarily affect them both. 2) For the sake of gender equality, it is only right that anime women would be able to endure and overcome hardships equal to their male counterparts. Yes, hentai with men being raped or BDSMed exists. In fact, much of harem genre can be described as "female-on-male sexual harassment the animation". But this argument mostly applies to non-sexual violence. 3) I consider "games made him shoot up his classmates" argument to be bullshit, and consider the opposite argument "games/anime/whatever exists as a safety valve to release harmful desires" to be true. Thus, I consider producing such "fucked up" material to be necessary for proper functioning of society. And animation/drawings are safer to produce than live action (where the actors might actually get hurt if something goes wrong). I know a lot of people disagree with me on this point, but the evidence is overwhelming: millions of people are playing video games, yet the world isn't a postapocalyptic wasteland filled with murderous psychos. |
| let's go one step further and just ban japanese media |
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| I've never believe in censorship. NEVER. They should be allowed to do what they want as long as it doesn't impede the rights of real life individuals or directly incite violence. |
| I'm not a lolicon, you're just projecting your tendency to lewd 2D characters. If your favourite character is Tsutsukakushi Tsukiko, you are my soul mate. Been a long time since I've been here, I'll continue expressing myself freely and believe everyone should too. My MAL Interview |
| Imo if it's banned good for them, if it's not good for them. If people like making messed up hentai then let them do it, they just won't look normal for the majority of society. Also why is the UN getting involved in this? They get involved in animation which doesn't actually have anything to do with humans, but they won't get involved in the Rwunda gnoeicee? |
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| I'm against censorship, but I don't mind a content warning. There's a hentai where you're supposed to get off on the fact this girl gets constantly abused and beaten up complete with black'n'blue marks. Produce it, sure, but if you jerk off to it - question yourself why. |
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SuperRed said: EcchiLordMamster said: if you guys don't gtfoh with that SJW garbage, art is about freedom of expression the author can do w/e the fuck they want.. its fiction, and the beauty of fiction is that it can be made HOWEVER, and has no rules Not wanting to see sexual assault glorified makes you a "SJW" now? I don't even... Usually the anti-something tend to become like like the ones they don't like. The same with the anti-SJW, like them they put a label on the person with an opinion that they don't approve to invalidate it. |
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EcchiLordMamster said: saying that something should be removed because it bothers you is some SJW bullshit Freedom of expression is not freedom from criticism, the people you quoted don't want sexual violence to be banned from media, they want it to be portrayed correctly, i.e. as something bad which makes people's lives worse. |
| there should be an option that says "no, who cares if women get raped" |
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SuperRed said: EcchiLordMamster said: saying that something should be removed because it bothers you is some SJW bullshit Freedom of expression is not freedom from criticism, the people you quoted don't want sexual violence to be banned from media, they want it to be portrayed correctly, i.e. as something bad which makes people's lives worse. So what you're saying is, people don't want it banned, they just wanna spin their narrative on it. That's as bad as censorship. |
Nyu said: SuperRed said: Freedom of expression is not freedom from criticism, the people you quoted don't want sexual violence to be banned from media, they want it to be portrayed correctly, i.e. as something bad which makes people's lives worse. So what you're saying is, people don't want it banned, they just wanna spin their narrative on it. That's as bad as censorship. Do they want to enforce it using violence and sanctions, to make things illegal? |
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| first you have to ask How often does enjoying violence against women translate into real life rape And how popular are these anime really? because I havent seen any. Is there really a big market? If there is a market I would imagine it is pretty niche. And I wouldnt consider stuff like Berserk or Nijigahara Holograph to be promoting violence because they explore the psyche pretty well. And plus lots of males get killed and hurt as well. |
| Why do so many people complain about sexual violence against women, but say nothing about sexual violence against men? Why are women allowed to enjoy their yaoi where men get raped all the time, but if a woman gets raped it needs to be banned? |
| Erm no ofcourse not! I don't like it but that doesn't mean that I want it banned, Fiction needs freedom and such things as Sexual violence needs to be talked about in it as well! |
| L M F A O We humans are fucking ridiculous and i love it how we look at nonexistent problems and make shit out of that while forgetting about real world problems ..... Fucking priceless... |
| The beauty of humans is that they say one thing then do another, but at the same time that can also be their ugliest side. |
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