Hager said he was returning home with his family that included his sick mom. They were returning home to the United States where his mother has lived since 1995. As they were waiting in line at the airport in Iraq on Friday, he was told that he could pass through because he was a U.S. citizen. But his family members - including his mom - weren't allowed, despite holding green cards. "They destroyed us. I went with my family, I came back by myself. They destroyed our family," Hager said. Hager was born in Iraq and fled during the Gulf War. He lived in a refugee camp with his family for four years before settling in the United States. In the 2000s, he returned to Iraq where he worked as a contractor for the United States Special forces between 2003 and 2008 as an interpreter and cultural advisor. He even survived being shot in the back while serving. He's a proud American citizen whose family has now been torn apart. "The immigration told us that the President of the United States put an order right now - you guys cannot go," he told FOX 2's Amy Lange. Hager, his niece, and two nephews were traveling with his 75-year-old mother, Naimma, home to Michigan. They traveled to Iraq to visit family and when she fell ill. Hager said he didn't expect it to be a problem for the family to travel since they all had green cards and had lived in the United States for 20 years. "I was just shocked. I had to put my mom back on the wheelchair and take her back and call the ambulance and she was very very upset. She knew right there if we send her back to the hospital she's going to pass away - she's not going to make it," Hager said. Sadly, he was right. Naimma, lived in the United States since 1995, wasn't allowed to come home. She died in her native country. Hager said if it weren't for the order, his mom would still be alive today. He blames her death on President Trump. I really believe this in my heart: if they would have let us in, my mom - she would have made it and she would have been sitting right here next to me," Hager said. "She's gone because of him." Just as the family was traveling, President Trump signed an executive order banning travelers from seven majority-Muslim countries. Travelers from Iran, Iraq, Syria, Sudan, Libya, Yemen and Somalia are banned from traveling to the United States for 90 days so the country can detect "individuals with terrorist ties and stopping them from entering the United States." Hager says he has no idea when his nephews and niece will be able to return to the United States and he's worried about his own status - even though he is an American citizen. http://www.fox2detroit.com/news/local-news/232856168-story |
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his 75-year-old mother She died in her native country. Hager said if it weren't for the order, his mom would still be alive today. I really believe this in my heart what kind of journalism is that? |
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"They destroyed us. I went with my family, I came back by myself. They destroyed our family," Hager said. That's quite the overstatement.Hager said if it weren't for the order, his mom would still be alive today. Oh please, the woman was 75 years old.EDIT: To clarify for the next a-hole that tries to use this to say "oh so edgy" and satisfy his/her inferiority complex: When you get old your body is more frail, there's no guarantee she wouldn't have died hours later even if she was allowed to go to the US. |
joe_g7Feb 1, 2017 2:36 PM
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| If you're that unwell and need to be taken home in an ambulance you probably shouldn't be flying anyway. |
SpamuraiSensei said: Severely ill patients being flown to hospitals is not an uncommon thing since not all hospitals are equipped to handle every illness and affliction available. The regional hospital I worked at had a helipad to take care of patients their respective hospitals could not handle. Flying to a 1st world hospital to receive treatment is also more preferable to staying in a 3rd world hospital with lackluster doctors and equipment.If you're that unwell and need to be taken home in an ambulance you probably shouldn't be flying anyway. joe_g7 said: He was travelling with his niece, two nephews, and mom."They destroyed us. I went with my family, I came back by myself. They destroyed our family," Hager said. That's quite the overstatement.Now, his mom is dead and he has to go home by himself while his niece and two nephews are in another country. Hardly an overstatement. joe_g7 said: Edgy xDHager said if it weren't for the order, his mom would still be alive today. Oh please, the woman was 75 years old.literally crawling n my skin rite now |
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| If you're outraged by this, just think of the thousands of other innocent civilians the US has killed over there since the start of the Iraq war. |
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PeenusWeenusCaim said: I doubt his family was "destroyed", split maybe, but not "destroyed", he still has a family even if they're not next to him, it IS an overstatement.joe_g7 said: He was travelling with his niece, two nephews, and mom.That's quite the overstatement. Now, his mom is dead and he has to go home by himself while his niece and two nephews are in another country. Hardly an overstatement. |
joe_g7Feb 1, 2017 12:32 AM
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| The whole blocking PRs from moving back into the States was a fucking retarded decision that anyone with half a brain can realize. But one thing about that lady, if she was that sick wouldn't she have died during the plane ride or after she arrived in the US before getting the treatment she needed? joe_g7 said: "They destroyed us. I went with my family, I came back by myself. They destroyed our family," Hager said. That's quite the overstatement.Hager said if it weren't for the order, his mom would still be alive today. Oh please, the woman was 75 years old.The edge is so fucking real lmao |
joe_g7 said: You do know there are multiple meanings to "destroyed"?PeenusWeenusCaim said: I doubt his family was "destroyed", split maybe, but not "destroyed", it IS an overstatement.He was travelling with his niece, two nephews, and mom. Now, his mom is dead and he has to go home by himself while his niece and two nephews are in another country. Hardly an overstatement. 1) put an end to the existence of (something) by damaging or attacking it. 2) ruin (someone) emotionally or spiritually. 3) defeat (someone) utterly. Look at 2). |
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PeenusWeenusCaim said: At this point you are simply guessing and assuming whichever option suits you. If you say that it is 2), then just as easily I can say that it is 1) or even 3) and you can't prove me wrong in any way, not can I prove you wrong xD. But when a person says "I was destroyed" they usually mean 1), if they mean 2) then they'll most likely add the word "emotionally".joe_g7 said: You do know there are multiple meanings to "destroyed"?I doubt his family was "destroyed", split maybe, but not "destroyed", it IS an overstatement. 1) put an end to the existence of (something) by damaging or attacking it. 2) ruin (someone) emotionally or spiritually. 3) defeat (someone) utterly. Look at 2). |
"At some point, I stopped hoping." |
hoopla123 said: Stress and low willpower can drastically affect your health. Being rejected from medical treatment in the US and having to resort to a 3rd world healthcare system that's been damaged from a dictatorship, war, and shitty economy probably stressed her enough to make her croak. The whole blocking PRs from moving back into the States was a fucking retarded decision that anyone with half a brain can realize. But one thing about that lady, if she was that sick wouldn't she have died during the plane ride or after she arrived in the US before getting the treatment she needed? That's not the main issue though. The real issue is that she was denied a chance at survival because of a poorly implemented plan. |
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joe_g7 said: That's not how it works dude.PeenusWeenusCaim said: At this point you are simply guessing and assuming whichever option suits you. If you say that it is 2), then just as easily I can say that it is 1) or even 3) and you can't prove me wrong in any way, not can I prove you wrong xD. But when a person says "I was destroyed" they usually mean 1), if they mean 2) then they'll most likely add the word "emotionally".You do know there are multiple meanings to "destroyed"? 1) put an end to the existence of (something) by damaging or attacking it. 2) ruin (someone) emotionally or spiritually. 3) defeat (someone) utterly. Look at 2). Also, one does not gain autism, one is born with it. You can stop trying dude. |
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PeenusWeenusCaim said: Don't believe everything you think.joe_g7 said: That's not how it works dude.At this point you are simply guessing and assuming whichever option suits you. If you say that it is 2), then just as easily I can say that it is 1) or even 3) and you can't prove me wrong in any way, not can I prove you wrong xD. But when a person says "I was destroyed" they usually mean 1), if they mean 2) then they'll most likely add the word "emotionally". Also, one does not gain autism, one is born with it. You can stop trying dude. |
"At some point, I stopped hoping." |
joe_g7 said: Of course. I thought and believed I was going to have a meaningful discussion with reasonable and decent human beings. And then you posted.PeenusWeenusCaim said: Don't believe everything you think.That's not how it works dude. Also, one does not gain autism, one is born with it. You can stop trying dude. |
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PeenusWeenusCaim said: So it's my fault now? I tried to explain my point and you started talking about autism.joe_g7 said: Of course. I thought and believed I was going to have a meaningful discussion with reasonable and decent human beings. Then you posted.Don't believe everything you think. |
"At some point, I stopped hoping." |
joe_g7 said: Point? Yeah, as a case for your madness, but for the whole discussion?PeenusWeenusCaim said: So it's my fault now? I tried to explain my point and you started talking about autism.Of course. I thought and believed I was going to have a meaningful discussion with reasonable and decent human beings. Then you posted. But when a person says "I was destroyed" they usually mean 1) 1) put an end to the existence of (something) by damaging or attacking it. Think about it. Just for a moment. Then look at your second post. |
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| @PeenusWeenusCaim Yes, he meant the first one and that's why I'm saying he's overreacting with his words. |
joe_g7Feb 1, 2017 2:19 AM
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joe_g7 said: And what makes you think that? Obviously his family is still there, so logically, it is not the first one.@PeenusWeenusCaim Yes, he meant the first one and that's why I'm saying he's overreacting with his words. You're trying too hard. |
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PeenusWeenusCaim said: hoopla123 said: Stress and low willpower can drastically affect your health. Being rejected from medical treatment in the US and having to resort to a 3rd world healthcare system that's been damaged from a dictatorship, war, and shitty economy probably stressed her enough to make her croak. The whole blocking PRs from moving back into the States was a fucking retarded decision that anyone with half a brain can realize. But one thing about that lady, if she was that sick wouldn't she have died during the plane ride or after she arrived in the US before getting the treatment she needed? That's not the main issue though. The real issue is that she was denied a chance at survival because of a poorly implemented plan. well millions of people are denied a chance at surival every day. she lives in a country for 22 years without applying for citizenship? it's her own fault. also "fell ill" is a wide term. e.g. if she died of a stroke her chances of surivel aren't much higher in the us at the age of 75 than in iraq. the story sounds like fox wanted something similar to this with more drama that shows the negative consequenzen of the executive order, but only got this old woman |
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Nigami_Shin said: She has a green card dude. Legally, that's all you need to travel to the US and it's been like that for years. Do I need to be a citizen of Germany to travel to Germany? Do I have to apply for Canadian citizenship to go to Canada? Do I need to apply for citizenship for every country I travel to?PeenusWeenusCaim said: Stress and low willpower can drastically affect your health. Being rejected from medical treatment in the US and having to resort to a 3rd world healthcare system that's been damaged from a dictatorship, war, and shitty economy probably stressed her enough to make her croak. That's not the main issue though. The real issue is that she was denied a chance at survival because of a poorly implemented plan. well millions of people are denied a chance at surival every day. she lives in a country for 22 years without applying for citizenship? it's her own fault. also "fell ill" is a wide term. e.g. if she died of a stroke her chances of surivel aren't much higher in the us at the age of 75 than in iraq. the story sounds like fox wanted something similar to this with more drama that shows the negative consequenzen of the executive order, but only got this old woman Also what? "Bad things happen every day so this bad thing..." Stop being retarded. Skepticism can only take you so far. |
PeenusWeenusCaimFeb 1, 2017 3:51 AM
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Nigami_Shin said: well millions of people are denied a chance at surival every day. she lives in a country for 22 years without applying for citizenship? it's her own fault. also "fell ill" is a wide term. e.g. if she died of a stroke her chances of surivel aren't much higher in the us at the age of 75 than in iraq. the story sounds like fox wanted something similar to this with more drama that shows the negative consequenzen of the executive order, but only got this old woman Exactly this. As if an old woman that died the same day after falling ill would've lived long enough to last a flight which takes about a day. There's thousands, if not millions of people that died due to US foreign involvement already, I'm not really surprised anymore. Besides which, didn't Trump allow green card holders through? Like, the same day? |
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PeenusWeenusCaim said: Nigami_Shin said: She has a green card dude. Legally, that's all you need to travel to the US and it's been like that for years. Do I need to be a citizen of Germany to travel to Germany? Do I have to apply for Canadian citizenship to go to Canada? Do I need to apply for citizenship for every country I travel to?well millions of people are denied a chance at surival every day. she lives in a country for 22 years without applying for citizenship? it's her own fault. also "fell ill" is a wide term. e.g. if she died of a stroke her chances of surivel aren't much higher in the us at the age of 75 than in iraq. the story sounds like fox wanted something similar to this with more drama that shows the negative consequenzen of the executive order, but only got this old woman Also what? "Bad things happen every day so this bad thing..." Stop being retarded. Skepticism can only take you so far. maybe you should take some time to think about the stuff you write before you call others a retard. she didn't travel to the us, she lived there - for 22 years. And yes i expect from people to apply for citizenship if they live or plan to live in germany for a long time. |
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Nigami_Shin said: And?PeenusWeenusCaim said: She has a green card dude. Legally, that's all you need to travel to the US and it's been like that for years. Do I need to be a citizen of Germany to travel to Germany? Do I have to apply for Canadian citizenship to go to Canada? Do I need to apply for citizenship for every country I travel to? Also what? "Bad things happen every day so this bad thing..." Stop being retarded. Skepticism can only take you so far. maybe you should take some time to think about the stuff you write before you call others a retard. she didn't travel to the us, she lived there - for 22 years. Again, she has a green card. She's legally entitled to travel and/or live in the US as she desires. That's the system and it has been like that for years in America. Saying it's her fault for not being able to travel to the US despite having the legal right to do so is downright stupid. It's illogical victim-blaming. Trump successfully stopped the TPP. He managed to 4-D chess Mexico. This ban; however, is a downright failure of a plan. And yes i expect from people to apply for citizenship if they live or plan to live in germany for a long time. That was a rhetorical question. You weren't supposed to answer it kraut. Germany is a shitty country anyways.Maybe you should stop acting dumb and think for a sec. |
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PeenusWeenusCaim said: Yeah maybe I am haha xDjoe_g7 said: And what makes you think that? Obviously his family is still there, so logically, it is not the first one.@PeenusWeenusCaim Yes, he meant the first one and that's why I'm saying he's overreacting with his words. You're trying too hard. |
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| While I like the general idea of the ban (although it's not that important for the US - the European Union should do the same asap), I think some changes should be made. Like, only ban people from those countries if they spent less than 2-3 years in the US, or ban those who frequently go back and forth between the US and their home country. This lady had lived in the US for 20 years and she was 75 years old, I doubt she was a threat to the Americans. Pretty sad, tbh. |
PeenusWeenusCaim said: Nigami_Shin said: And?maybe you should take some time to think about the stuff you write before you call others a retard. she didn't travel to the us, she lived there - for 22 years. Again, she has a green card. She's legally entitled to travel and/or live in the US as she desires. That's the system and it has been like that for years in America. Saying it's her fault for not being able to travel to the US despite having the legal right to do so is downright stupid. It's illogical victim-blaming. Trump successfully stopped the TPP. He managed to 4-D chess Mexico. This ban; however, is a downright failure of a plan. And yes i expect from people to apply for citizenship if they live or plan to live in germany for a long time. That was a rhetorical question. You weren't supposed to answer it kraut. Germany is a shitty country anyways.Maybe you should stop acting dumb and think for a sec. first of all i didn't answer any rhetorical question of yours or is "And yes i expect from people to apply for citizenship if they live or plan to live in germany for a long time." the answer to "Do I need to be a citizen of Germany to travel to Germany?"? Right, it isn't. I thought that was clear, but maybe i should consider that there are also handicapped people on mal. Well the incident showed that she didn't have the legal right to travel back to the us. isn't that exactly the point? it seems that you don't even understand the fox article. it criticizes or shows the negative consequences of the executive order. the fact that she was denied entry isn't illegal. And to finish my last post in this thread; what country are you from? UK? i don't even want to commentate that |
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| @joe_g7 You lost any credibility in this discussion at least 4 posts ago. Swallow your pride and stop trying to make comebacks, it's embarassing :x. Nice edge btw hehehe. OT: it sucks for America I guess... TBH Trump will probably ruin any influence the USA still had in 4 years and I can see China being the mot influential country when his presidency ends. |
DeathkoFeb 1, 2017 6:27 AM
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| We all knew this kind of stuff was bound to happen after the executive order, this system could do with some reforms already that's for sure. Also Jesus wept, all this namecalling makes this thread look like a certain Hungarian parliament meeting in 1989, it makes y'all look silly. |
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| I don't like Donald or his policies and it looks like he is trying to make enemies more than help. But I don't see how this is related to the death of this guy's mom. She fell ill during the visit and they were going to go back home to the U.S but were not able to so they call an ambulance and he says she is upset because she knows she won't make it. Okay then that means you wouldn't have made it through the would be flight either. So tough cookies. If the woman had a history of being sick before this, it was their own gamble to take. Watch the new next time and pay attention. With this kind of president you really can't afford not to watch it if you're not a US citizen. |
HaanFrost said: Probably dual citizen.Indian Muslim from my state wasn't given visa to attend a sports event in US . Seems like its extended to Muslims from other places . |
Wecc said: All hail HaXXspetten king of the loli traps!  |
HaanFrost said: lol I should have read a bit about the subject, he probably got OCI then.Rothion said: Probably dual citizen. Um ..... India doesn't allow dual citizenship . Off Topic : My brother is an IT professional in America . I wonder what will happen to him . He is new there . |
Wecc said: All hail HaXXspetten king of the loli traps! |
| That part of Trump's new ban is particularly retarded, I am more in favor of it than against it but I don't see why green card holders shouldn't have the right to enter the U.S. joe_g7 said: "They destroyed us. I went with my family, I came back by myself. They destroyed our family," Hager said. That's quite the overstatement.Hager said if it weren't for the order, his mom would still be alive today. Oh please, the woman was 75 years old. |
 Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
Nigami_Shin said: Again, stop being retarded. Changing the subject and direction of the argument will not help you, nor cover up your foolishness.PeenusWeenusCaim said: And? Again, she has a green card. She's legally entitled to travel and/or live in the US as she desires. That's the system and it has been like that for years in America. Saying it's her fault for not being able to travel to the US despite having the legal right to do so is downright stupid. It's illogical victim-blaming. Trump successfully stopped the TPP. He managed to 4-D chess Mexico. This ban; however, is a downright failure of a plan. That was a rhetorical question. You weren't supposed to answer it kraut. Germany is a shitty country anyways. Maybe you should stop acting dumb and think for a sec. first of all i didn't answer any rhetorical question of yours or is "And yes i expect from people to apply for citizenship if they live or plan to live in germany for a long time." the answer to "Do I need to be a citizen of Germany to travel to Germany?"? Right, it isn't. I thought that was clear, but maybe i should consider that there are also handicapped people on mal. 1) The old lady has a greencard 2) The greencard allows anyone to travel and/or live in the US as a permanent resident. 3) Trump denied the old lady of rightful passage into the US despite her having the legal right to do so. This is 100% a mistake on Trump's side and no amount of mental excercises can help you here. "b-b-but it's her fault, she should have gotten a citizenship" That's retarded and absurd. If every motherfucker has to apply for citizenship for every country he travels to, the world would be a more isolated and inconvenient place. And no, you did answer a rhetorical question. Back to German schooling little boy. At least it's free there. Well the incident showed that she didn't have the legal right to travel back to the us. isn't that exactly the point? it seems that you don't even understand the fox article. it criticizes or shows the negative consequences of the executive order. the fact that she was denied entry isn't illegal. She has a green card. She's legally allowed to travel to America. Also, America follows the Consitution first and foremost. The President's word is secondary bullshit in comparison to the words of the Constitution. If anything, what Trump did was illegal, as it violates the Constitution's 1st, 5th, and 14th amendment along with many other established immigration laws that have been in America for years. Already, part of Trump's order has been rightfully overturned by federal judges, with more lawyers working to overturn more parts of the order due to its unconsitutionality. German education.And to finish my last post in this thread; what country are you from? UK? i don't even want to commentate that My country is irrelevant. Last post though? Good riddance. |
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Comic_Sans said: I'm actually fine with the "no refugees" bit. I still remember sharing a few laughs on this board when Merkel vowed to bringThat part of Trump's new ban is particularly retarded, I am more in favor of it than against it but I don't see why green card holders shouldn't have the right to enter the U.S. 8 0 0 K 0 0 K refugees into Germany. This order is just so bad though. The intentions are there but the execution is very flawed with it applying to greencard. I'd give this 2/10 at most. Mexican 4D chess was 8/10 and signing out of TPP was 9/10 tbh though. |
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| http://archive.is/bgDnP This smells like more fake news. |
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Clebardman said: @joe_g7 You lost any credibility in this discussion at least 4 posts ago. Swallow your pride and stop trying to make comebacks, it's embarassing :x. Nice edge btw hehehe I don't need you to tell me what to do, you SHOULD have realised by my last post that I realised my mistake and stopped, but I guess that's too hard for you. |
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| Trump's own new DHS secretary John F. Kelly who only just got sworn in has already revised this aspect of the EO to allow green-card holders to return. This "ban" has only affected green-card holders for, like, 3 or so days. |
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Narmy said: If you're outraged by this, just think of the thousands of other innocent civilians the US has killed over there since the start of the Iraq war. Not to mention the millions of innocents killed in genocides caused by military coups directly backed by the CIA (e.g. Pinochet in Chile, Khmer Rouge in Cambodia, Timor genocide etc.) U.S foreign policy is probably responsible for more deaths than Nazi Germany funnily enough. |
Lobinde said: Narmy said: If you're outraged by this, just think of the thousands of other innocent civilians the US has killed over there since the start of the Iraq war. Not to mention the millions of innocents killed in genocides caused by military coups directly backed by the CIA (e.g. Pinochet in Chile, Khmer Rouge in Cambodia, Timor genocide etc.) U.S foreign policy is probably responsible for more deaths than Nazi Germany funnily enough. ISIS itself is a US creation as well. |
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Grey-Zone said: And didn't affect this dude's mother. She died before his executive order. My archive above talks about it.Trump's own new DHS secretary John F. Kelly who only just got sworn in has already revised this aspect of the EO to allow green-card holders to return. This "ban" has only affected green-card holders for, like, 3 or so days. |
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