Re:Zero kara Hajimeru Isekai Seikatsu Episode 5 Discussion

GrimorumInvoke said:
Someone answer my question please.

Dimethylanime said:
WHO is killing my boy Subaru in this damn mansion. This is so confusing. He ain't done nothing wrong except be a player

Lorezhno said:
I thought there was some grand plot unfolding in the first 3 episodes, so I managed to stick with with it despite the super annoying MC, but now we get some slice of life episode with completely un-interesting characters. He did die another gruesome death, so I guess that's a plus.

SeasonADay said:

I think you need to keep watching. They make him annoying on purpose btw.

Lorezhno said:
They could've give

Does he become less annoying? I'll keep watching just to watch him suffer; that's how much I dislike him at the moment.

Macka7 said:
Enjoying this so far, but Subaru constantly failing to realize that he's coming back to life and that people won't remember previous events is getting old.

It's weird that he's so slow on the uptake there, given how quickly he accepted arriving in the world in the first place.

Jagd84 said:


Getting old? That only happens once and it entirely made sense then. You have be insane to realize you looping from the get go. But he figured it out in in the first arc and never forgot again. What he wasn't expecting that he continue looping again and that's because he didn't expect to die all of sudden. Especially not in his sleep of all things. Hie's actions in his 2nd loop in of Arc 2 is entirely based on fact only he remembers things and he tries retrace his steps while regaining those moments that were lost and underrated why he died.

AxBattler said:
What is less impressive however is that despite being killed again at the end of episode 4, he seemed more concerned with hooking up with Emilia than trying to figure out what was going on. Yes, he didn't completely forget about it in light of the fact that he tried to stay awake this time.. but that is the equivalent of using his ability to be half a step ahead when he could have done so much more. Now granted, as far as his dating plans go, he is several steps ahead.. but priorities, priorities. Well, perhaps being able to reload really changes one's priority. I won't go as far as say that I am enjoy seeing him die, but I hope that this death will motivate him to focus on playing the game as something other than a plain dating sim.

AxBattler said:

TBH I also thought that he was a bit slow on the uptake. It took him three deaths to figure out what was going on, when I think most would do it in two. And he is not most people; most people would probably be confused and think that they are dreaming / hallucinating when they first arrive in this world, whereas he was pretty quick to accept it and draw parallel to a gaming world. I think that someone like that -could- have picked up right after one death (doesn't mean he would necessarily avoid the next one).

But we are past the first three episodes and at least he knows how it rolls now. I am not too fond of his quirky outburst, but well, as a shut-in it should can be expected. I must also say that for a shut in, his physical ability is rather outstanding.. Yeah, you can workout indoor, swing a sword in your room (note, IRL it is quite hard to do so in a Tokyo appartment as the ceiling tend to be quite low), but his physical feats so far is still quite impressive..

What is less impressive however is that despite being killed again at the end of episode 4, he seemed more concerned with hooking up with Emilia than trying to figure out what was going on. Yes, he didn't completely forget about it in light of the fact that he tried to stay awake this time.. but that is the equivalent of using his ability to be half a step ahead when he could have done so much more. Now granted, as far as his dating plans go, he is several steps ahead.. but priorities, priorities. Well, perhaps being able to reload really changes one's priority. I won't go as far as say that I am enjoy seeing him die, but I hope that this death will motivate him to focus on playing the game as something other than a plain dating sim.

AxBattler said:
@Jagd84

To me, they are related in the sense that they only happen in fiction. Subaru not only quickly accepted that he was in a world reminiscent of a work of fiction, but quickly imagined himself as either a protagonist, or at least as a newly created character who will eventually be able to cast magic. That to me is an indication that for better or worse (better in this case) he isn't fixated on what is realistic or not, he will just accept the evidence as they are presented. It, of course doesn't mean that he should expect to be able to reload before it happens. And while I might understand that he might write off his first death as some kind of hallucination at first, I do not think that it is too much to expect that he would be able to put 1 and 1 together the moment that he notices that everyone he knew no longer recognise him, that something outside the realm of the real world is happening. Whether it is a reload, time loop, or even a premonition, finding himself in an earlier place with past memories including his death, should have made him realise that yet another thing out of fiction is occuring in this ficticious looking world.. Which eventually happen, but it took more deaths than I thought was necessary (he is lucky to have so many lives really). Had his original characterisation at the very beginning been different (freaking out and trying to make sense of wth was going on etc.), I would've accepted that he isn't someone willing to accept the unreal quickly.. in which case it would have made sense that he isn't faster to adapt.

The fact is that his "Good End" isn't on the horizon as long as he is due to die in a few days. No, the two goals aren't mutual exclusive, but given the limited amount of time before his game over, the sane choice is maximise information collection / detective work so that survive. Even if the ultimate goal is to get the Good End with Emilia, survival is a pre-requisite. This is something even he had to come to realisation as in the following episode, where he start to balance his priorities in a way that I would expect a person who is a target for assassination would do. TBH, there is worse than a MC a bit slow on the uptake, but I do hope that he tries a bit harder to limit his death count from now on (until now I felt that he is about one episode behind what I expect). After all, at this point we don't know if he can do what he can reload an unlimited amount of time.

I could argue that plenty of stories on hysterical strength is anecdotal, though I am fine accepting that he got enough of a boost from the circumstances to lift a massive club with one hand extended, or not realising that he was fatally wounded until a while later. But the physical feats I refered to was less to do with his strength but his chuunibyou derived combat skill is rather impressive (e.g. when the way he took down the two thugs, or three thugs in a later load state is rather impressive for a shut-in who only *thought* that he is destined for greatness at that very moment *even* as a surprise attack). Ultimately I think this is best explained with "anime logic".. which fine considering that this isn't an anime that is trying to be realistic. My comment on his physical feat wasn't even a criticism, they had to give him a little something otherwise he'd be instant killed as soon as he comes under attack.

AxBattler said:
@Jagd84

1. The thugs, for one. If someone takes a good beating, they sure will remember the person who did it. Or seeing a person go chuunibyou-fu before wimping out in rather outlandish manner the moment they see a knife. Or the person they were beaten up only to have the table turned on them (being a bad memory, they would likely remember not just the person that did the table turning but also the entire event leading to that including the victim). Besides, he is not exactly conspiciouhs. His eccentric manerism aside, people have noted his unusual clothing (though, knowing Subaru, it might be a detail that might slip through his mind).

The ringa seller shouldn't be written off either. Subaru -did-, alongside Emilia, bring find and bring his lost daughter back to his wife. You do not treat such someone like a stranger the next day.

2. The truth is, he got so little out of his time leading to his second death (that is not to do with how he might impress Emilia) that most of the detective work happened after that, with still very little to go on (and while it ended in failure, it was a significant improvement over the previous run in terms information gathered).

Subsequent episodes have pretty much cemented my belief that the guy doesn't use his brain too much. If I found him a little more likeable and wanted to dress out my words, I would say that he think with his heart. But I don't, so I will say what I really think, that is the guy is too emotional and it is affecting his capabilities for rational thoughts. Yes he is going through a lot, and perhaps he is going through a vicious circle where his mental breakdown is affecting his capability for rational thoughts, but his emotional outburst leads him to bad outcome, which worsens his breakdown.

3. I strongly object to the notion that there is nothing impressive with beating up three thugs if it were IRL even for someone who does "regular exercise". Someone who show hostility (the thugs) can expect a fight or flight response. So the time spent being surprised if the person choose to charge (second loop, when he took them all out) will be a short one. It is actually pretty hard to knock someone to the ground in one hit especially if they see you charging because the body will react instinctively to lessen the damage unless the person know what he is doing (just being reasonably fit won't do). But even if that is achieved, the time it takes to do that is enough for the others to react before you can take care of them.

Still having seen more episodes now, I recognise that Subaru isn't that special in the universe this take place. The three stooges were just comically weak, but it is anime.

Jagd84 said:
He met every single of these people once PER loop. They didn't forget Subaru they never when he dies and returns to a new loop. His history with them is gone, a point that empathized more as the show continues and why reestablishing relationships with people are more important to him than anything.

Jagd84 said:
Whether he gets something big or little out of what he does is irrelevant as long as he get something. He's not a situation when can pick and choose or has convenient events happen to drop on his lap. He's not trying to specifically impress Emilia either, he was trying to get his bonds with mansion residents to level they were in the first loop while trying to avoid dying in the loop.

If by not using his brain you mean acting like so me inhuman calculating machine or professional detective sure. He neither of these of those things. Subaru didn't come to and live at Roswaal's mansion to deal with all the stuff, he came to start a new life and while saying by the side of his benefactor. He only had to as byproduct of that desire.

All that varies on the circumstances, timing and who the opponent(s) are. Even a civilian can kill a trained soldier in real life under right conditions. It's not cut and dry.

ZeroDragon said:
-Beatrice remembered their previous interaction??? Hmm...

mozgow said:
The save point is after their first meeting (the one when she drained his mana).