| This thread is kind of dealing with a comment I made earlier, in this thread asking why people single out those who are religious. It is all fine and well until you take a look and notice that many of the members complaining about "militant atheism" are the same members referring to Islam as basically the religion of murder and mayhem. Is this irony just lost on them? Or perhaps there is something more. Discuss. ------------------------------------------------------------------ I agree that singling out people for being religious is bad. Atheists imposing their views are bad. However why do people think this is any different from their own bashing of Islam? I dunno, I just thought that when you were obviously being a hypocrite a siren would go off in your head telling you to take a look inward first. |
Pirating_NinjaNov 20, 2015 8:23 PM
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| This is the first I've heard of such a thing. |
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| someone's triggered |
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| It doesn't. MAL is just retarded. |
| Because Christianity is the most common one. |
| Since when has it ever? Religious extremists is a term used and usually means like, Islamic extremists. |
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| Because minority beliefs are irrelevant. |
BlueKite said: Because minority beliefs are irrelevant. That too |
BlueKite said: Because minority beliefs are irrelevant. Except there are more Muslims than Christians in the world but okay. |
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| What? I've never heard anyone use the term religious to only refer to Christianity. |
kobun said: It doesn't. MAL is just retarded. |
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traed said: Well the same people consistently singling out and bashing Islam are complaining about being singled out for "religious" beliefs. How else can you take it? Surely Islam does not count as "religious" otherwise why would they be bashing those with religious beliefs AND complaining about people bashing religious beliefs?What? I've never heard anyone use the term religious to only refer to Christianity. |
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Zazie122 said: BlueKite said: Because minority beliefs are irrelevant. Except there are more Muslims than Christians in the world but okay. They're considered a minority in Western countries. And like 99% of MAL I'm pretty sure is in the west so |
| @OP: They mean their religious beliefs. kobun said: Zazie122 said: Except there are more Muslims than Christians in the world but okay. They're considered a minority in Western countries. And like 99% of MAL I'm pretty sure is in the west so I get that, but still. People need to learn that they're not actually an kind of minority on the whole. |
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Zazie122 said: They mean their religious beliefs. Its still a minority...? |
kobun said: Zazie122 said: They mean their religious beliefs. Its still a minority...? I was talking to OP. And yes, people do that, OP. It's called being a hypocrite. |
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| Islam's coo |
Zazie122 said: kobun said: Its still a minority...? I was talking to OP. And yes, people do that, OP. It's called being a hypocrite. Oh ok. |
yhunata said: This is the first I've heard of such a thing. |
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| I guess it depends on where you live... on the internet though idk. I guess it's just the most mainstream. |
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Anti-Illuminatus said: Islam's coo What is cool about it? |
| well now that's stupid lol |
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Altairius said: bruthahoodAnti-Illuminatus said: Islam's coo What is cool about it? |
AllenVonStein said: yhunata said: This is the first I've heard of such a thing. |
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Paella_ said: someone's triggered you? |
traed said: This, wth OP?What? I've never heard anyone use the term religious to only refer to Christianity. Zazie122 said: No? Most sources put Christians at 2.2~2.4 billion and muslims at 1.6~1.8 billion. None of those is a "minority" though unless we're referring to specific countries.BlueKite said: Because minority beliefs are irrelevant. Except there are more Muslims than Christians in the world but okay. |
| Have you considered that these people may have solid evidence that Islam is a religion of 'murder and mayhem' (extreme expression, but still)? |
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TheBrainintheJar said: Have you considered that these people may have solid evidence that Islam is a religion of 'murder and mayhem' (extreme expression, but still)? Have you considered that you have always failed to provide any substantial evidence as to how the mainstream Islam can be a religion of murder and mayhem? |
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Bernkastel said: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Paella_ said: someone's triggered BlueKite said: Because minority beliefs are irrelevant. |
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geniobastardo said: TheBrainintheJar said: Have you considered that these people may have solid evidence that Islam is a religion of 'murder and mayhem' (extreme expression, but still)? Have you considered that you have always failed to provide any substantial evidence as to how the mainstream Islam can be a religion of murder and mayhem? Is this one blocked in your country: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7TAAw3oQvg |
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Altairius said: geniobastardo said: Have you considered that you have always failed to provide any substantial evidence as to how the mainstream Islam can be a religion of murder and mayhem? Is this one blocked in your country: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7TAAw3oQvg No, it's not. And I don't disagree with that guy at all. But then again, I missed the part where Islam was violent, barbaric or whatnot. |
[i]"Yet each man kills the thing he loves, [/i]By each let this be heard, Some do it with a bitter look, Some with a flattering word, The coward does it with a kiss, The brave man with a sword!'' ~Oscar |
| This happens among atheists too. Most atheists happen to be quite liberal and "progressive" so they never really mention jews or muslims (because they only single out whites, who happen to be mostly Christians). Seriously, look around. Whenever I see internet atheists bashing religion, it's always Christianity. They bring up stupid, untrue and/or exaggerated examples as to why Christianity is bad, like "they caused the most wars", or "they agree with hurting non-religious or homosexual people". For some reason, they don't bash Judaism nor Islam for doing the exact same things Christianity does. Heck, it's even funnier in hindsight, considering both Judaism and Islam happen to be a lot more extreme and ostracizing than Christianity. Jewish people believe they are the chosen ones of God and everyone else is inferior. Atheists have no problem with this. The Ottomans conquered almost 1/3 of the Old World using their religion as an excuse. Atheists rarely or never mention this, even though it's easily on par with the crusades. The most hilarious example is when they bring up the Spanish chasing away the Jews in the 16th century. The Jews did this in the 20th century (Palestine anyone?), but nobody brings up that as an example. 95% of people in Europe, the Americas and Australia are either Christians, or atheists. The rest are the small Jewish and Muslim minorities and the special snowflakes who visited Thailand once in their life and decided to convert to Buddhism. MAL's userbase is mostly European and American (although there are a lot of asians, I don't really see them posting in religious topics), so it's understandable why they use a hyperbole and refer to Christianity as "being religious". As I said before atheists always single out Christians so when a Christian makes a topic about atheists bashing their religion, they have no reason to include other major religions because atheists almost always ignore everything but Christianity. The only times when atheists start bashing islam is when the topic is connected to ISIS or terrorism in general. Most atheists live in America or in Europe, so to them Christianity is a lot more imporant. Atheists often resort to mocking Christians because they ran out of excuses. Christianity is not like islam, you can't just say "it breeds terrorists" (which is of course, an untrue statement), at best atheists bring up the "believing in a magical existence is for kids" or "but Christianity is so homophobic and racist". I can't be the only one who noticed that when atheists very rarely bash judaism or islam, they can actually bring up examples as to why either of them is bad, but when it's about christianity they always recicle the same stupid statements or start mocking them for no reason. This makes it seem like atheists gang up on and harass christians on purpose. As I said before, most internet atheists happen to be quite liberal, which sadly means they avoid hurting the feelings of muslims or jews (cuz dats racist and they have minority status), but have a grand time personally insulting Christians because they assume they are white. E.g. (atheist->muslim) "Your religion promotes violence." (atheist->christian) "You are stupid for believing in something as homophobic and violent as Christianity." I guess one could say atheists have a stronger connection to Christianity and that's why the arguments between the two sides happen to be more personal, while they know less about other religions and therefore they try to keep the argument between them and the other believers more shallow/superficial. Islam happens to be a religion with the highest number of...not completely sane followers, to put it mildly. That's not saying it's the religion's fault, because other factors such as war, education, cultural background and upbringing are very important. I'm pretty sure nobody turns into a gun wielding terrorist after reading the Quran. You either get brainwashed by your parents or someone else, or you suffer a great loss (war) that turns you against the ones who caused your misery (NATO, UN, etc.). Christians tend to bash Islam because muslim countries happen to be the most dangerous and they don't really care about human rights. People may think the reason for that is because the religion and the state/government are not separated from eachother and it causes religious extremism to have government level power. I don't think there is a country where Christianity and the government are strongly tied, therefore Christian extremism on a government level doesn't exist. Most Christians are not the types who read the Bible every day and flagellate themselves if they said a swearword by accident. They are religious but not as much as some muslims. Islam plays a big role in a muslim's life while most Christians can separate their social life from their religion. This is another thing Christians can criticise islam for. When you look at YouTube comments (which is a bad idea), you can expect atheists to always turn the discussion into religion bashing. Let's face it, internet atheists start arguments with their insults 99% of the time. They can always turn the otherwise completely unrelated discussion into religious debate. They can say something as simple as "I believe the unicorn in this video exists because I am Christian" and everything goes to shit. I rarely, almost never see these atheists starting islam or judaism bashing on purpose. TL;DR atheists tend to gang up on Christianity while ignoring other religions so Christians have no reason to include other religions when they are discussing atheism. |
ZeesNov 21, 2015 7:47 AM
Szefi said: Mostly agree with this, but mainly for the Internet. |
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| Hmmm, well technically the word should count for all religions, but I assume Christians are the easier target for people in the western world as they're not as much of a minority etc. Is it a bit hypocritical of those who mock religion, to only mock one branch, sure, but I guess that branch is withing their comfort zone or whatever. And yes I can agree that if you're a Christian that bash Islam it's basically the same in many ways, bashing different faiths is bad wether you're Christian, Muslim or Atheist. Or Jewish, or well, you get the idea. |
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DateYutaka said: TheBrainintheJar said: Have you considered that these people may have solid evidence that Islam is a religion of 'murder and mayhem' (extreme expression, but still)? Judaism has the JDL but thtere not really covered in the press ni matter how much they do since thee really just the undercoer shock troopd of the ZOG Evidence? @geniobastardo: Well, I could be wrong. I'm not an expert on Islam and all I have are some stuff I found on the internet. I'm saying it's better if we'll address why someone thinks Islam is violent or not, rather than just call him Islamophobic. |
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Sugoi said: It doesn't. |
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| Denouncing the current wave of Islamic terrorism isn't ironic or hypocritical. If it were Christian terrorists doing it we'd say the same. If its ironic that currently Islam is the focus of terror attacks then just blame reality rather than people. I do offer a reversal, what do you think of the people that have spend years complaining or denouncing Christianity that now turn and offer no criticism towards Islam? why do people fear Islamophobia and feel Islam is beyond questioning but not Christianity. |
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Pacifica_Ocean said: Denouncing the current wave of Islamic terrorism isn't ironic or hypocritical. If it were Christian terrorists doing it we'd say the same. If its ironic that currently Islam is the focus of terror attacks then just blame reality rather than people. I do offer a reversal, what do you think of the people that have spend years complaining or denouncing Christianity that now turn and offer no criticism towards Islam? Hypocrites, every letter gets double capitalization. |
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geniobastardo said: No, it's not. And I don't disagree with that guy at all. But then again, I missed the part where Islam was violent, barbaric or whatnot. Don't be difficult. Do you think the believers don't represent the religion, or do you think that death for adultery, honor killings and the like aren't barbaric? I'll assume the former for now. In that case, who is to say their version of Islam is wrong? Is it not a problem within the text that it's so widely, easily misunderstood? If I'm not mistaken, the Quran says on multiple occasions that it is perfectly clear in itself. |
| It doesn't but that is the biggest one. |
Altairius said: Don't be difficult. Do you think the believers don't represent the religion, or do you think that death for adultery, honor killings and the like aren't barbaric? I'll assume the former for now. In that case, who is to say their version of Islam is wrong? Is it not a problem within the text that it's so widely, easily misunderstood? If I'm not mistaken, the Quran says on multiple occasions that it is perfectly clear in itself. I'd have accepted that Muslims represented Islam if: 1. There were no sects. 2. Even 80% of the Muslims understood the Quran. Right now, with all these surveys, I'd pay you as much as you want me to just to do a survey in your own town. You only have to go around and ask the Muslims in your vicinity these two questions: 1. Have you read the Quran? 2. Do you understand it? I support death for adultery. Honor killings is a form of Shirk in Islam after Surah-an-Na'am. And shirk, as Quran puts it, is 'worse than killing'. The Quran is not misunderstood when it's not even read in the first place. |
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geniobastardo said: Altairius said: Don't be difficult. Do you think the believers don't represent the religion, or do you think that death for adultery, honor killings and the like aren't barbaric? I'll assume the former for now. In that case, who is to say their version of Islam is wrong? Is it not a problem within the text that it's so widely, easily misunderstood? If I'm not mistaken, the Quran says on multiple occasions that it is perfectly clear in itself. I'd have accepted that Muslims represented Islam if: 1. There were no sects. 2. Even 80% of the Muslims understood the Quran. Right now, with all these surveys, I'd pay you as much as you want me to just to do a survey in your own town. You only have to go around and ask the Muslims in your vicinity these two questions: 1. Have you read the Quran? 2. Do you understand it? I support death for adultery. Honor killings is a form of Shirk in Islam after Surah-an-Na'am. And shirk, as Quran puts it, is 'worse than killing'. The Quran is not misunderstood when it's not even read in the first place. I find it strange that the perfectly clear Quran is profoundly misunderstood by 80% of Muslims. Do you have a strong, fundamental feeling that adultery is worthy of death, or is it a largely dispassionate thing caused by the fact that Allah wills it? |
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