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 Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
demonskul777 said: in kamisama's defense, a lot CGDCT have one-dimensional characters and pointless plotlines, that solely depend on "being cute" to get viewers. There is a lack of solid jokes, and character developement, while the show is fully based around characters, and never mind a decent setting, since they can just pick any nameless town to let the events take place in. Which, as a critic, I cannot label as a good story, nor good story-telling. However, neither is he saying that you can't enjoy it, as empathic beings humans get a warm feeling from people being happy and cute, and as lonely otaku you feel attracted to cute girls. it's understandable, however kamisama watches shows because he's interested in good characters and world-building, combined with good directing and a good narrative, which CGDCT just doesn't manage most of the time. So out of his point of view, they are bland and boring. Now, hold on. I'm not a "lonely otaku" and still like these types of shows. I think there are lonely otaku for every genre or type of anime so I don't see the worth in adding that to be honest. To add: I get no show is safe from criticism and their stories aren't amazing, but I'd take Yuru Yuri over an anime with an average story anyday. |
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Kagami said: demonskul777 said: in kamisama's defense, a lot CGDCT have one-dimensional characters and pointless plotlines, that solely depend on "being cute" to get viewers. There is a lack of solid jokes, and character developement, while the show is fully based around characters, and never mind a decent setting, since they can just pick any nameless town to let the events take place in. Which, as a critic, I cannot label as a good story, nor good story-telling. However, neither is he saying that you can't enjoy it, as empathic beings humans get a warm feeling from people being happy and cute, and as lonely otaku you feel attracted to cute girls. it's understandable, however kamisama watches shows because he's interested in good characters and world-building, combined with good directing and a good narrative, which CGDCT just doesn't manage most of the time. So out of his point of view, they are bland and boring. Now, hold on. I'm not a "lonely otaku" and still like these types of shows. I think there are lonely otaku for every genre or type of anime so I don't see the worth in adding that to be honest. To add: I get no show is safe from criticism and their stories aren't amazing, but I'd take Yuru Yuri over an anime with an average story anyday. sorry, I just snuck that in there. i'm not implying anything. xD + I mean, the average anime don't have good stories either. Elitists gotta fend for each other in these hard times, man. |
| @Kamisama751 wow really funny how these so called ppl try to defend their shit and try to shut you up isn't it? It's like they cannot accept different opinions. Really weird how freedom of speech is now also restricting itself. I do agree with your point about these kinds of shows. They just don't know that CGDGT shows are just lazily written just like Light novel adaptations although there are exceptions. |
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kamisama751 said: >for somebody who tries to put up the front of a shitposter What are you talking about? Come on, buddy, you literally did an interview where you spent a decent amount of time talking about a satirical front you put up for the sake of annoying people. How do you think the MAL community sees you? How do you feel about that? I think they see me as a complete asshole since I have done/posted many pretty "controversial" things such as about "objective quality", "attack on train-wreck mistakes". If I look back at my posts from a few months ago then I can see myself behaving kind of like an idiot. Therefore, the hate is understandable. Recently I think I have overdone the satire about elitism where I became an elitist myself. So I have gained even more hate from people on MAL. Of course, there are also a few people who see me differently. How is your posting satire when you actually are an elitist though? Or are you intentionally nudging because of the stigma around elitism? It started as satire but I overdid it and became elitistic afterwards. And yes, I did that in the first place because of the community's altitude about elitism. Now I am on a cool-down from it anyway. Such cooldown phase. Very wow. kamisama751 said: >I mean, if you can't handle people getting mad at you, maybe it's not your calling. Or they take criticism as personal attacks for instance.. kamisama751 said: Oh wow. Your reasoning is as bland as those kind of shows. I mean, you'd have to be pretty dense to actually believe that people wouldn't take that sort of thing as an attack. Criticism of an opinion it might actually be, but it doesn't take a genius to figure out that people perceive you based on the way you present yourself. And, from what I've seen, this is generally how you present yourself. Purposefully so, as well, which makes seeing you getting this upset kind of delicious, honestly. Especially when you have to stoop to the level of saying "thanks" to people for defending your ridiculous behavior. So yes, acting like that on a regular basis and then getting this flustered when people start jumping on you is something I'd expect out of the MC from a cringe comedy. |
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Lisbon said: kamisama751 said: >for somebody who tries to put up the front of a shitposter What are you talking about? Come on, buddy, you literally did an interview where you spent a decent amount of time talking about a satirical front you put up for the sake of annoying people. No, like, he lived life ironically for so long that he doesn't know what's the truth anymore, and he has become what he ironically was. Like Ninja Slayer, it ironically was a bad show, and people considered it a bad show. :( |
demonskul777 said: Lisbon said: Come on, buddy, you literally did an interview where you spent a decent amount of time talking about a satirical front you put up for the sake of annoying people. No, like, he lived life ironically for so long that he doesn't know what's the truth anymore, and he has become what he ironically was. Like Ninja Slayer, it ironically was a bad show, and people considered it a bad show. :( rip in pizza for our delusional friend, then he was a good man |
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Lisbon said: demonskul777 said: No, like, he lived life ironically for so long that he doesn't know what's the truth anymore, and he has become what he ironically was. Like Ninja Slayer, it ironically was a bad show, and people considered it a bad show. :( rip in pizza for our delusional friend, then he was a good man I still love him. he's a great a person to shitpost with. Like, I understand him. I'm the same, I also love being ironic, why do you think there is ecchi all over my profile, I used to be an ironic pervert. look at what i've become |
oh hell no pizza >>>>>> spaghetti that slimy sound spaghetti makes when you start swirling your fork around in it is stomach-churning |
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Lisbon said: oh hell no pizza >>>>>> spaghetti that slimy sound spaghetti makes when you start swirling your fork around in it is stomach-churning But dude, like, Tuesday my mom made spaghetti and the sauce was like REALLY good. It was a little sweet and I love sweet and it just tasted really good. I was in heaven. And pizza is just like "oh pizza... that's nice I guess. easy to eat. fine taste." but no heaven. Like I ate pizza 4 hours ago I can know. |
demonskul777 said: Lisbon said: oh hell no pizza >>>>>> spaghetti that slimy sound spaghetti makes when you start swirling your fork around in it is stomach-churning But dude, like, Tuesday my mom made spaghetti and the sauce was like REALLY good. It was a little sweet and I love sweet and it just tasted really good. I was in heaven. And pizza is just like "oh pizza... that's nice I guess. easy to eat. fine taste." but no heaven. Like I ate pizza 4 hours ago I can know. You clearly are naught but a mere heretic. Spaghetti is just the same old predictable routine. You got your noodles, you got your sauce, you got some meat, sometimes shaped like balls and sometimes ground up, and you got your powder cheese stuff I guess if that's your thing, and maybe you can toss in something extra like herb butter or something Pizza is filled with endless possibilities for awesomeness - you can have just cheese, you can put some mushrooms on that, you can put some vegetables on it, you can put some of this and some of that, the sky's truly the limit with pizza some fringe radicals even put pineapples on that shit yo pineapples |
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Lisbon said: demonskul777 said: But dude, like, Tuesday my mom made spaghetti and the sauce was like REALLY good. It was a little sweet and I love sweet and it just tasted really good. I was in heaven. And pizza is just like "oh pizza... that's nice I guess. easy to eat. fine taste." but no heaven. Like I ate pizza 4 hours ago I can know. You clearly are naught but a mere heretic. Spaghetti is just the same old predictable routine. You got your noodles, you got your sauce, you got some meat, sometimes shaped like balls and sometimes ground up, and you got your powder cheese stuff I guess if that's your thing, and maybe you can toss in something extra like herb butter or something Pizza is filled with endless possibilities for awesomeness - you can have just cheese, you can put some mushrooms on that, you can put some vegetables on it, you can put some of this and some of that, the sky's truly the limit with pizza some fringe radicals even put pineapples on that shit yo pineapples You should reconsider: http://www.food.com/recipe/hawaiian-spaghetti-218162 You fool, you can do a lot with pizza, but that doesn't mean that those flavours are any good. more possibilities != better flavour. although i am one of those radicals that like hawaiian |
| Poorly written characters transcend moe. Having cute characters doesn't mean the writing is bad, and having bad writing doesn't mean the characters are cute. I wouldn't be surprised if there is a correlation between the two. But then again, moe shows are more designed to be light and fluffy than not, meaning that characterization forgoes the darker parts of a person's personality. |
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romagia said: I was actually referring to Azuma No Riddle bro. MasterHavik said: kill me baby was pretty good/funny thoSo it seems they just can't get away with just saying the character is cute. They don't give these girls any meat(lol) and just come off as one dimensional characters. It seems to be the easy go to do anything. Motorcycle? Throw cute girls on it. Battles? Throw cute girls on it. Assassins? Throw cute girls who are slightly crazy on it. @starlessn1ght: Thanks man. I got a friend who drew it for me. I love Sardonyx. |
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kamisama751 said: "Turning your brain off" is the worst defender ever followed by "it is just your opinion". Oh wait Well... At least my dick is awake whenever I watch CGDCT.... |
DeplorableNico said: People who create these shows probably aren't lazy and have worked more than you could ever even try. Your opinion is lazy. Lol... I'm still waking-up my opinion, just wait dude... |
EcchiLordMamster said: I'm not baiting nobody. People just wanna get butthurt when someone has an opinion. way to bait all the moeblob fans man... nice try though.... Hell I didn't even say Love Live is bad. I just got the idea for the thread from it. Anyway cute girls are plague by poor writing and just base one personality trait with maybe a dash of anime trope. The cute tsudnere. The cute genki girl. I will say the main character of Love Live is an unlikeable little bitch. |
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MasterHavik said: EcchiLordMamster said: I'm not baiting nobody. People just wanna get butthurt when someone has an opinion. way to bait all the moeblob fans man... nice try though.... Hell I didn't even say Love Live is bad. I just got the idea for the thread from it. Anyway cute girls are plague by poor writing and just base one personality trait with maybe a dash of anime trope. The cute tsudnere. The cute genki girl. I will say the main character of Love Live is an unlikeable little bitch. yea? well... you know... this is just like uh... your opinion, man.... |
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MasterHavik said: EcchiLordMamster said: I'm not baiting nobody. People just wanna get butthurt when someone has an opinion. way to bait all the moeblob fans man... nice try though.... Hell I didn't even say Love Live is bad. I just got the idea for the thread from it. Anyway cute girls are plague by poor writing and just base one personality trait with maybe a dash of anime trope. The cute tsudnere. The cute genki girl. I will say the main character of Love Live is an unlikeable little bitch. The main girl of LL was okay, but Sunshine's main girl was loads worse. Doesn't matter though, Nico best girl. |
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EcchiLordMamster said: Thanks for stating the fucking obvious. Would you like to try for the 1 million dollar prize ecchi?MasterHavik said: I'm not baiting nobody. People just wanna get butthurt when someone has an opinion. Hell I didn't even say Love Live is bad. I just got the idea for the thread from it. Anyway cute girls are plague by poor writing and just base one personality trait with maybe a dash of anime trope. The cute tsudnere. The cute genki girl. I will say the main character of Love Live is an unlikeable little bitch. yea? well... you know... this is just like uh... your opinion, man.... |
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Kagami said: I'm about to head into episode 7...and she is just a bitch without knowing it. I never seen a character be os forceful and demanding and then be a lazy sack of shit while the others do all the work. Episode 6 made me really mad since she becomes der...because fuck you the story says so. She didn't earn it and is just adding to all the flaws and errors. I'm noticing. I know it's my opinion but Christ almighty Honaka is a unlikeable little shit.MasterHavik said: I'm not baiting nobody. People just wanna get butthurt when someone has an opinion. Hell I didn't even say Love Live is bad. I just got the idea for the thread from it. Anyway cute girls are plague by poor writing and just base one personality trait with maybe a dash of anime trope. The cute tsudnere. The cute genki girl. I will say the main character of Love Live is an unlikeable little bitch. The main girl of LL was okay, but Sunshine's main girl was loads worse. Doesn't matter though, Nico best girl. |
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MasterHavik said: Thanks for stating the fucking obvious. Would you like to try for the 1 million dollar prize ecchi? i have someone advice... DON'T WATCH THEM... is it that difficult? yes, i actually would, that'd be amazing |
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MasterHavik said: Kagami said: I'm about to head into episode 7...and sh is just a bitch without knowing it. I never seen a character be os forceful and demanding and then be a lazy sack of shit while the others do all the work. Episode 6 made me really mad since she becomes der...because fuck you the story says so. She didn't earn it and is just adding to all the flaws and errors. I'm noticing. I know it's my opinion but Christ almighty Honaka is unlikeable little shit.The main girl of LL was okay, but Sunshine's main girl was loads worse. Doesn't matter though, Nico best girl. Wait until you watch Love Live Sunshine. Main girl is like Honoka, but far worse. Honoka was okay, but Nico was the stand out for me. The second season and movie are better than the first, by the way. |
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MasterHavik said: Love Live has great character designs even if their personalities aren't too well developed. Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei is the opposite since the designs are fairly similar to each other and the characters are all unique (they're sort of based on different mental disorders). Moe shorts generally have very generic character designs and not much personality to their characters.Kagami said: I'm about to head into episode 7...and sh is just a bitch without knowing it. I never seen a character be os forceful and demanding and then be a lazy sack of shit while the others do all the work. Episode 6 made me really mad since she becomes der...because fuck you the story says so. She didn't earn it and is just adding to all the flaws and errors. I'm noticing. I know it's my opinion but Christ almighty Honaka is unlikeable little shit.The main girl of LL was okay, but Sunshine's main girl was loads worse. Doesn't matter though, Nico best girl. |
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EcchiLordMamster said: Here's the kicker....I don't hate all the shows and telling me not to watch is deflecting criticism and just trying to censor opinions you don't wanna hear because confirmation bias hype. Now let me make something clear. I don't hate this as a whole. There are some shows that have been able to take cute girls and really work like Azuma No Riddle and Strike Witches. Another that comes to mind is A-channel. I'm sorry high level discussion is not your thing you should avoid threads where I'm actually trying to discuss shit and get people talking. MasterHavik said: Thanks for stating the fucking obvious. Would you like to try for the 1 million dollar prize ecchi? i have someone advice... DON'T WATCH THEM... is it that difficult? yes, i actually would, that'd be amazing Kagami said: Oh lord....that doesn't sound fun at all. Btw if you're wondering I think the show is just painfully average with a little bit of confusion since I don't think the writers get what being an idol means and they just want to think being an idol is super fun all the time and you have to conform to whatever the idol business wants. Also I noticed that in the scores. I look forward to watching the second season and the movie. I gotta say the music and voice acting(English dub) have made me put up with this show and not hate it. A lot of my favorite VAs in this dub are really on their game especially Mendez as Nico. I can see why Nico is a show stealer for many people because it seems she actually has bite to her character unlike others. I like her too.:)MasterHavik said: I'm about to head into episode 7...and sh is just a bitch without knowing it. I never seen a character be os forceful and demanding and then be a lazy sack of shit while the others do all the work. Episode 6 made me really mad since she becomes der...because fuck you the story says so. She didn't earn it and is just adding to all the flaws and errors. I'm noticing. I know it's my opinion but Christ almighty Honaka is unlikeable little shit. Wait until you watch Love Live Sunshine. Main girl is like Honoka, but far worse. Honoka was okay, but Nico was the stand out for me. The second season and movie are better than the first, by the way. |
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zombie_pegasus said: You have been very thought provoking sir. You have given me a lot to think about and check out. I also should rewatch A-channel since I recall loving that show since it was similar to Lucky Star.MasterHavik said: Love Live has great character designs even if their personalities aren't too well developed. Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei is the opposite since the designs are fairly similar to each other and the characters are all unique (they're sort of based on different mental disorders). Moe shorts generally have very generic character designs and not much personality to their characters.I'm about to head into episode 7...and sh is just a bitch without knowing it. I never seen a character be os forceful and demanding and then be a lazy sack of shit while the others do all the work. Episode 6 made me really mad since she becomes der...because fuck you the story says so. She didn't earn it and is just adding to all the flaws and errors. I'm noticing. I know it's my opinion but Christ almighty Honaka is unlikeable little shit. |
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MasterHavik said: Here's the kicker....I don't hate all the shows and telling me not to watch is deflecting criticism and just trying to censor opinions you don't wanna hear because confirmation bias hype. Now let me make something clear. I don't hate this as a whole. There are some shows that have been able to take cute girls and really work like Azuma No Riddle and Strike Witches. Another that comes to mind is A-channel. I'm sorry high level discussion is not your thing you should avoid threads where I'm actually trying to discuss shit and get people talking. who said anything about censoring? im saying you have that option if you don't like what you're watching. your freedom to criticize a show is my freedom to criticize your criticizing great, then you can watch those shows instead |
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| Not lazy, just safe. They know it'll sell, which is important when oftentimes the "original" and "boundary pushing" works don't even break even. For every Code Geass there's god knows how many not-CGDCT shows that failed hardcore. |
MasterHavik said: A-Channel is actually a pretty mediocre moe anime. Acchi Kocchi and Kiniro Mosaic would be better options in my opinion. Non Non Biyori is another good one with a slightly different feel.zombie_pegasus said: You have been very thought provoking sir. You have given me a lot to think about and check out. I also should rewatch A-channel since I recall loving that show since it was similar to Lucky Star.Love Live has great character designs even if their personalities aren't too well developed. Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei is the opposite since the designs are fairly similar to each other and the characters are all unique (they're sort of based on different mental disorders). Moe shorts generally have very generic character designs and not much personality to their characters. |
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fst said: Damn...you just hit hard right there sir. You are right one could say they are save. I mean no animation studio outside of newer ones like Trigger have made CGDCT shows. I don't know if Ginax did one. Not lazy, just safe. They know it'll sell, which is important when oftentimes the "original" and "boundary pushing" works don't even break even. For every Code Geass there's god knows how many not-CGDCT shows that failed hardcore. @Ecchi: Don't like don't watch is a bad argument. Stop using it. |
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zombie_pegasus said: You may be right. I'll give those shows a look. Hey do you know if A-channel or the other two shows are dubbed? I don't know what it is with me but these shows are easier to get through with a solid English dub.MasterHavik said: A-Channel is actually a pretty mediocre moe anime. Acchi Kocchi and Kiniro Mosaic would be better options in my opinion. Non Non Biyori is another good one with a slightly different feel.You have been very thought provoking sir. You have given me a lot to think about and check out. I also should rewatch A-channel since I recall loving that show since it was similar to Lucky Star. |
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MasterHavik said: They aren't. Railgun, Red Data Girl (wouldn't really recommend), K-On!, Tamako Market, and Hanayamata (haven't seen) are some dubbed moe anime I know of. Girls und Panzer has a dub, but it's recommended that you watch subbed.zombie_pegasus said: You may be right. I'll give those shows a look. Hey do you know if A-channel or the other two shows are dubbed? I don't know what it is with me but these shows are easier to get through with a solid English dub.A-Channel is actually a pretty mediocre moe anime. Acchi Kocchi and Kiniro Mosaic would be better options in my opinion. Non Non Biyori is another good one with a slightly different feel. |
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| I don't think they are lazy, I agree with mostly you have said though. They use the same formulas (whatever + cute girl), because IT SELLS. . . *cough* otaku *cough* |
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zombie_pegasus said: I do both really but I'm not afraid to watch subbed but in this sea of anime looking and being the same having a dub break it up makes me happy. It's gets tiring reading after awhile.MasterHavik said: They aren't. Railgun, Red Data Girl (wouldn't really recommend), K-On!, Tamako Market, and Hanayamata (haven't seen) are some dubbed moe anime I know of. Girls und Panzer has a dub, but it's recommended that you watch subbed.You may be right. I'll give those shows a look. Hey do you know if A-channel or the other two shows are dubbed? I don't know what it is with me but these shows are easier to get through with a solid English dub. |
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| Great... You have fun in your Mariana Trench and I'll have fun in my kiddie pool mate World needs more kiddie pools |
| You seem to be confusing the terms "trope" and "cliche". All media contain tropes, this is not a bad thing. A piece of media without tropes would just be a black screen with nothing happening. (and even that is arguably a trope) |
Lobinde said: Nah. I missued the word and should have just said they were boring and bland. A poor choice of word but you know some of these creator take the most overused trope in anime and it pretty much writes their story.You seem to be confusing the terms "trope" and "cliche". All media contain tropes, this is not a bad thing. A piece of media without tropes would just be a black screen with nothing happening. (and even that is arguably a trope) |
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MasterHavik said: Lobinde said: Nah. I missued the word and should have just said they were boring and bland. A poor choice of word but you know some of these creator take the most overused trope in anime and it pretty much writes their story.You seem to be confusing the terms "trope" and "cliche". All media contain tropes, this is not a bad thing. A piece of media without tropes would just be a black screen with nothing happening. (and even that is arguably a trope) From your perspective yes, but the truth might just be that they are taking influence from other successful works in the industry. Sometimes a unique spin on an overused premise can have better results than creating something entirely original for originality's sake. |
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Lobinde said: But those type of shows suck balls...unless you're talking about things making fun of it like One Punch Man.MasterHavik said: Nah. I missued the word and should have just said they were boring and bland. A poor choice of word but you know some of these creator take the most overused trope in anime and it pretty much writes their story. From your perspective yes, but the truth might just be that they are taking influence from other successful works in the industry. Sometimes a unique spin on an overused premise can have better results than creating something entirely original for originality's sake. |
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| being crative in limitation is more creative than being creative in liberty... you have to make sure the already abused trope not getting any lower... you have to entertain viewer which can easily got saturated with a very little content can be explored... how the fuck is that not creative? |
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MasterHavik said: I'm not one to put labels on anything but I won't call them crazy. Let's be reasonable here. :( .......nobody got the joke in the appropriate thread. Now I'm sad.....:( |
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Chiibi said: Oh I just reread it....I take back my other comment. I'm sorry dude. I am rolling on the floor now.MasterHavik said: I'm not one to put labels on anything but I won't call them crazy. Let's be reasonable here. :( .......nobody got the joke in the appropriate thread. Now I'm sad.....:( |
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