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| Well fuck. I missed watching this on the day it aired, and now there's already 400 replies. Sadly I'll have to skip reading all the posts for this round :( Missing out all the fun. Anyway, I think I liked the episode, hated the previous one but now they're finally doing something interesting with this. Besides of all the past grievances I've mentioned, as they still continue, my biggest problem was that ridiculous censoring. Looking at that small censor blob, looking at that whole scene unfold, I really don't know what that was supposed to help. Can't bother waiting for uncensored versions tho, so I guess I'll go with this Unless someone knows where to see uncensored already, that would help. As for the theory on the episode. The only sensible thing I can think so far is that K1 was hallucinating most of what happened. There's really no way he would survive all that and not get immediately to hospital. He should have been lying there hours and hours until someone finds him. And with those wounds, yeah, not happening. If it's not that, then someone must have "resurrected" him, or for worse, it's the stupidity of the makers. |
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| Nah, no way someone would survive being countlessly stabbed and having lost that much blood. |
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| How tf Keiichi survived after all that stabbing and blood loss ?? And I'd never ever underestimate clocks, they're lethal |
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| How did Keiichi even survive? Like I'm still in disbelief after that many stabs. |
WatchTillTandava said: Zeus_Strider said: you'll have to forgive me for not being hip but I just got to ask cuz I seen a couple people using "L5" and I know what you're referring to but why is it "L5"? I understand where the "K1" came from but I can't figure out the other abbreviation. It's just thank you! |
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| Rena has been suspicious since episode 1 for me so I'm not surprised about that. What I am puzzled by though is why made Rena think Keiichi was a threat to her father at all. Was it because Keiichi asked about the events that happened in the first year of the curse and getting suspicious of Rena? But the first three episodes seem to contradict this. Because of Rena acting suspicious since the first episode, it makes me think that already kicked in way earlier. And I'm wondering what started it for her. Since as one might remember and referenced in the first episode it activated for Keiichi partly because he came back from a funeral. Is it because she |
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| Now that we've concluded the first arc I think it's prudent to talk theories! I think Gou is going to be more fun for those familiar with the original series (whatever iteration that may be, sound novel/anime/manga) since a lot of it is relying on altering the arcs and "deceiving" the viewer. There's been talk about the point of this repeat is to decieve Rika, since she absolutely didn't seem to know what was going on. As someone who hasn't watched the OG anime in many years please forgive any glaring errors and use of spoiler tags for newbies! Obviously, Onidamashi-hen was an alteration of both Onikakushi and Tsumihoroboshi. It's obvious from ep 2 that but I think it's fair if people interpret the episode literally. Seriously, K1 must be superman to have made it through that! The most interesting thing about this episode was Rika. Clearly fresh from Someone or something is deliberately messing with her. Re K1 visiting the clinic I'm going to be very interested to see how the anime develops and ends, and I'm wondering if maybe they'll adapt some of the playstation arcs (which I've never seen aside from browsing the wiki back in the day) or if theyre going to Ok now for the technicalities of the episode. Honestly, I'm not sure about the horror scene. It's censored, obviously, but more the pacing and how it's played out I was disappointed. Feels too far-fetched and K1 surviving at the end drags away from the drama of the situation. Would've been more interesting, imo, if the "epilogue" of the episode was from Mion's POV alone, and that K1 had died. Or maybe even Rika and Hanyuu discussing it, and realising things are Not Right (perhaps that'll be the start of the next arc?). Some of the animation was alright: the still of Rena smiling creepily in the kitchen and her at the door was nice, but I'm doubtful whether the studio and staff will be able to pull the horror scenes off effectively given Passione's "library" of works. There was lots of debate last ep about the "uso da!" scene, and honestly for me the tone between the two is quite different so it's kinda hard to compare. The original had a subdued K1 and eery Rena, with the scene intending to mount paranoia and shock the viewer with her scream. This time K1 was angry back, and I think the focus was to emphasise Rena's monologue (which was delivered well) and unnerve the viewer with it. I think this is going to carry through the rest of the series, and may well annoy some viewers. I'm hoping that now they've set the stage, the next arcs will have the horror portrayed better and have the scares really amped up! Some moments, such as Rena and Mions denying anything happened at the Dam, were done alright, but I think Passione is unfortunately going to excel more with the club scenes than the drama and horror ones. We'll see. |
| Well shit escalated quick, the curse lives on. |
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Wvdk said: Rena has been suspicious since episode 1 for me so I'm not surprised about that. What I am puzzled by though is why made Rena think Keiichi was a threat to her father at all. Was it because Keiichi asked about the events that happened in the first year of the curse and getting suspicious of Rena? But the first three episodes seem to contradict this. Because of Rena acting suspicious since the first episode, it makes me think that already kicked in way earlier. And I'm wondering what started it for her. Since as one might remember and referenced in the first episode it activated for Keiichi partly because he came back from a funeral. Is it because she |
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| as I recall this is the same as the old anime why people declining that its a reboot? |
ElyessKhalifa said: This is nothing like the old anime.as I recall this is the same as the old anime why people declining that its a reboot? Well the set up is pretty similar, |
ElyessKhalifa said: as I recall this is the same as the old anime why people declining that its a reboot? You're not recalling correctly at all, I must say. There are enormous differences and the second half of the fourth episode is completely different in every plot point. |
| The announcer in the preview... that was Bernkastel, wasn't she? |
| I did not read the VNs of Higurashi but there's something in this season that I am thinking a lot after finish this episode |
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If you mean the Logic Error, it can be both actually. Just different interpretation depending on the story, Higurashi and Umienko. Ignoring all magic bullshit, Bern is just For Higurashi's gameboards she is Rika's collective despair. For Umineko's meta world, ranking higher than Higurashi's gameboard, she is Featherine's miko that was forced to solve a Logic Error that her Master caused. |
| So, I can say that this is more of a sequel than a remake/retelling. How? I'm gonna jot down the differences from Deen's work and Passione's work for this episode in points. However, I may be mistaken about certain points so please feel free to correct me. Also, just to be spoiler free for newcomers, I'm gonna put in spoiler tags. |
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ovy7 said: That's understandable. Although, the question is, till where was the fight a hallucination? Also, I jave some questions I need answered. I honestly have no idea how people that watched the original and know what was going on can question what went on in this episode with the fight. Did you guys forgot one of the most important plot points and reveals in the OG which puts the entire first season in a different perspective? Like, I can understand the people that are new to Higurashi (and When They Cry in general), they have a reason for thinking the episode was weird, but the people who already watched the og and know the secrets? Like, come on! |
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ssjokg said: The only question here is when exactly K1's hallucinations started. Before Rena attacked? When he pushed her and she hit her head possibly dying ? After the first stabs? Depending on when the entire scene changes. If he started before she attacked then the entire scene can be reversed. For those that mentioned Rika's death and what may happen sfter that according to "34", remember that it does not just start immediately when she dies. Buuut the real weird thing is that the GHD didn't happen so I guess someone was already - really-dead in this kakera. |
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CMYK said: I prefer KeiichixMion over KeiichixRena, but I'm still fine with it. Besides, didn't the maker confirm KeiichixRena as Canon?Keiichi opened the door ;_; ... Obviously it's not the same world as Onikakushi-hen but that moment did make my heart flutter a bit, knowing the Rena of that kakera would have been very happy. The music! The overlay flickering! I agree with everyone saying it was intentionally exaggerated and therefore untrustworthy. Seeing as how they kinda pulled the rug for existing fans this episode, I seriously can't wait to see whatever else Gou has in store for us. Will there be another transition Rika scene in the next one like in episode 2, I wonder. If the overlay really is part of the mystery and not just for scary atmosphere, doesn't it mean the producers figured out how to show for anyone who's paying attention. Hm. Alas, one final nipah to soothe hearts before the carnage. Best girl should be making her appearance soon. |
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SPIDEY_rockzzzzz said: ovy7 said: That's understandable. Although, the question is, till where was the fight a hallucination? Also, I jave some questions I need answered. I honestly have no idea how people that watched the original and know what was going on can question what went on in this episode with the fight. Did you guys forgot one of the most important plot points and reveals in the OG which puts the entire first season in a different perspective? Like, I can understand the people that are new to Higurashi (and When They Cry in general), they have a reason for thinking the episode was weird, but the people who already watched the og and know the secrets? Like, come on! |
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ovy7 said: I don't mind the Umineko spoilers, so fire away. As for Takano, thanks for clearing it up. However, if I'm not mistaken, wasn't Rina killed by SPIDEY_rockzzzzz said: That's understandable. Although, the question is, till where was the fight a hallucination? Also, I jave some questions I need answered. |
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SPIDEY_rockzzzzz said: I don't mind the Umineko spoilers, so fire away. As for Takano, thanks for clearing it up. However, if I'm not mistaken, wasn't Rina killed by |
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ssjokg said: Damn. That was actually next level Hinamizawa syndrome.SPIDEY_rockzzzzz said: I don't mind the Umineko spoilers, so fire away. As for Takano, thanks for clearing it up. However, if I'm not mistaken, wasn't Rina killed by |
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Marinate1016 said: Fucking speechless bro. Firstly, how the fuck do you survive being stabbed 25+ times in the chest? Considering when help would’ve arrived there’s no way you’re not dead from internal bleeding and blood loss. That scene was supposed to be really serious, but I couldn’t help but laugh. This. The original story had a few unrealistic scenes, but nothing came anywhere near close to this. They could've easily made it look far less stupid, like going for one or two stabs at most, not this. |
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Syureria said: Rena Was the impostor... Nice duel, thaks for bloody episode...I think it's a difference. Keiichi opened the door and let Rena come in to house and make some dinner with Keiichi. When Rena opened the lunchbox, I was surprised because it contained needles, knives, I don't really remember After several stabbing scenes, Keiichi was still conscious and trying to stop Rena. They both fainted and finally Keiichi was taken to the hospital. When Keiichi asked about Rena, Mion answered that Rena, Satoko, and Rika was die. Keiichi still alive, It seems like Keiichi get Oyashiro-sama's curse. One question, how humans are still alive even though they have been stabbed like that. Thanks for the black censor. I'm afraid to open the door right now. Via extremely heavy plot / MC armor. No human could ever survive so many stabs in the chest and belly, Keiichi's survival was five levels beyond ridiculous. |
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| I had a dumb smile on my face when Keiichi hugged Rena. But then, well... frick... |
| Woah!!!!!! That just blew me away! Damn! |
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| Is funny how people say it's unrealistic for Keiichi to survive that many stab wounds and no human could do that when this entire thread is full of people linking to IRL cases of people surviving many more stab wounds that Keiichi got. Hell, I think there are cases of people surviving being stabbed in their very skull and brain, for crying out loud. Our bodies are very resilient, we don't go down in a few stabs like movies want to make you believe. Also, |
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jaw20 said: ssjokg said: If you mean the Logic Error, it can be both actually. Just different interpretation depending on the story, Higurashi and Umienko. Ignoring all magic bullshit, Bern is just For Higurashi's gameboards she is Rika's collective despair. For Umineko's meta world, ranking higher than Higurashi's gameboard, she is Featherine's miko that was forced to solve a Logic Error that her Master caused. |
ovy7 said: Is funny how people say it's unrealistic for Keiichi to survive that many stab wounds and no human could do that when this entire thread is full of people linking to IRL cases of people surviving many more stab wounds that Keiichi got. Hell, I think there are cases of people surviving being stabbed in their very skull and brain, for crying out loud. Our bodies are very resilient, we don't go down in a few stabs like movies want to make you believe. Also, The way K1 was being mounted & stabbed doesn't really leave any shadow of doubt how it happened, and even if we count the amount of stabs we saw, the event likely continued longer than what was shown. People have survived multiple stabs yes, but in the most cases (I'd guess "all" with exceptions) they were getting help quickly. I don't remember if his parents were supposed to return by morning or evening the next day, but that would likely be around 12-24hours, and in that case it would be pretty much definite that he wouldn't survive. Of course we don't know if any 3rd party called for help, but I don't think that's the case. Due to this the most plausible explanation by the evidence is, and I hope that it is the case that PS. Imagine if that Black Blob of Deceiving was there just to fool us. jaw20 said: Sharpedon said: Via extremely heavy plot / MC armor. No human could ever survive so many stabs in the chest and belly, Keiichi's survival was five levels beyond ridiculous. A woman in japan survived 61 stab wounds to her face and chest. It is not outside of the realm of possibility. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stabbing_of_Mayu_Tomita The difference between this case and what we just saw is, that Mayu got help sent to her pretty much immediately, and she was lucky enough to get all her vitals unscatched. Mounting K1 like that, making his torso swiss cheese and letting him lay on ground for hours isn't really survivable. Of course, if you were hit like that you wouldn't exactly be sitting on your bed right away either, so I guess there's something slightly different going on than what we just saw. Also I found it peculiar that he had that neck thingy around his neck, that doesn't exactly fit the wounds either. |
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naens said: sadist2dkun said: We don't really know yet. It's not a remake because the story is different. Now it seems more similar to how Lupin III works, where movies and seasons reintroduce the characters each time to the new viewers. So this season seems to work well enough for people without prior knowledge...Is this a remake or sequel? If Rika referencing the events of Kai isnt proof enough that this is a sequel then I dont know what is. |
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