Vinland Saga Episode 14 Discussion

operationvalkyri said:
The scene in the blizzard was gruesome and beautiful at the same time.

Yes I noticed she says doki doki. What would the correct translation be? What mood is she in there?

Neji said:
Another shit episode. Characters that we don't care about, violence that we have seen countless times already. All of the people who comment on realism, how many burned villages we have seen already? What the hell you think that dane invasion is anyway. Everyone knows that innocent die, so what was the purpose of this episode. Also those two brothers didn't know why Thor died or who he was? That is idiotic, this show is going down the drain, but fanboys are too blind to see it.

P.S. Also can people please stop going crazy about background and such, yes we got it it looks good, but how many episodes are we going to discuss it.

Gabisu said:
Jesus, You only draw superficial conclusions, you are not immersed in anything, you speak and speak, but you elaborate nothing, specify your argument of motherhood more.

It's meant to be a solid episode, from the TOTALLY innocent point of view of this massacre, because we always watching the eyes of Askeladd or Thorfinn about them, and here comes an episode that builds this little empathy between the viewer and the characters. We even had a good background and deepening in Priest, something that already shapes his character completely, of course is a small bonus in the episode.

And the brothers had been knocked out by Thors, just visiting the first episodes of the anime you will see. So it is possible that they do not remember very much who he was, as they must have been woken up after the fight was over.

AbsurdistOtaku said:
Damn. Even though I read the manga, seeing this scene again was just...painful. Sure, there was a scene prior to this one where a village gets masscared, but it didn't go into as much intimidate detail as here.
Vinland Saga isn't exactly one of the goriest anime, but it's definitely one of the most painful to watch, because you just can't root for the main characters at all. Thorfinn makes post-Eclipse Guts look nice in comparison. Thorfinn isn't like Guts; even though Guts was cold-hearted in the beginning of Berserk, he didn't team up with people who killed innocents, and he even showed remorse in a few scenes.
At the same time though, that's why I like Guts more than Thorfinn; Guts is more complex, and it's harder to figure out his mental state of mind.



The fucked up thing is that Thorfinn doesn't want to kill Askeladd for the atrocities he's done, other than killing his father.

najumobi said:

Is there a particular reason why or do you feel the episode doesn't come together well.
The priest portion didn't click for me compared to when I read it, though the 2nd half made up for it, to me.

Pyoung said:
Its not that it didn't come together well. It just seemed to be a completely different tone than the usual series and seemed to be pretty brutal.What they did to those people.. I know a lot of people like stuff like this but it isn't my cup of tea. Instead of feeling hyped and good after this episode I just felt kind of shitty lol.

ChainxBastard said:


You're supposed to feel that way. Askeladd didn't have his men raid the village for nothing, if he didn't then he and his men were going to die. It was them - or him. And he chose them.

Simple as that.

Amazing how no one mentioned that fact yet.

Neji said:
Another shit episode. Characters that we don't care about, violence that we have seen countless times already. All of the people who comment on realism, how many burned villages we have seen already? What the hell you think that dane invasion is anyway. Everyone knows that innocent die, so what was the purpose of this episode. Also those two brothers didn't know why Thor died or who he was? That is idiotic, this show is going down the drain, but fanboys are too blind to see it.

P.S. Also can people please stop going crazy about background and such, yes we got it it looks good, but how many episodes are we going to discuss it.

Neji said:
Another shit episode. Characters that we don't care about, violence that we have seen countless times already. All of the people who comment on realism, how many burned villages we have seen already? What the hell you think that dane invasion is anyway. Everyone knows that innocent die, so what was the purpose of this episode. Also those two brothers didn't know why Thor died or who he was? That is idiotic, this show is going down the drain, but fanboys are too blind to see it.

P.S. Also can people please stop going crazy about background and such, yes we got it it looks good, but how many episodes are we going to discuss it.

Hatsuyuki said:


How dare everyone enjoy something ? No no no, he's here to tell you why you're WRONG and why you shouldn't have FUN watching Vinland. You should all adhere to his tastes.

LlamaSan said:


-Wouldn't say I loved the episode but this isn't rinse and repeat of the last few village attacks to emphasise the harshness of war. This time we saw how Christianity during that time worked among commoners and how little the Danes know about it.
-We saw a sort of mercy killing of the villagers as I doubt Askeladd really believed that the villagers would give any valuable information to the pursuers in this tundra so instead of them starving and dying to the cold or their pursuers in fact, he gave them a swift end.
-Concerning the brothers not knowing about Thors, you have to realise this happened years ago (shown by Thorfinn's growth from child to teenager) and these guys have gone to countless fights since and they must have joined the crew after that. Thorfinn may be our MC but he's just the feisty kid who has a bone to pick with Askeladd to them.
-For those who are sad about the lack of Thorfinn and Canute and the screentime given to pointless characters, go watch a shounen. This anime might not be for you just saying.

Pyoung said:
Its not that it didn't come together well. It just seemed to be a completely different tone than the usual series and seemed to be pretty brutal.What they did to those people.. I know a lot of people like stuff like this but it isn't my cup of tea. Instead of feeling hyped and good after this episode I just felt kind of shitty lol.

Neji said:


Couple of things here? Empathy between characters? Which characters is that? The nobodies that got killed, Askellad, priest who makes no sense and pretends to be some kind of deep meaning? Also considering thorfin has been trying to kill askellad for years, I am pretty sure that everyone knows who Thor was and how he was killed. The pacing is extremely slow and episode after episode don't cover anything? Why is the religion here anyway, is the story going anywhere. I read the manga years ago and loved it, but I don't remeber it and most likely I had hundreds of chapters to read so garbage like this didn't bother me. This episode was 90% pointless. Everyone talks slowly like they are retards and they don't even make sense. I am complaining because there is no value in the 20 min episode and people are wanking over background.

Pyoung said:
I was thinking that the whole time. I want Askeladd to be a good guy so bad haha. when he said he hated the Danes last episode I was thinking.... No way.. he doesn't hate his crew ..he must be lying... I guess time will tell

najumobi said:
The backgrounds in the 2nd half of the episode look amazing.

LlamaSan said:

-Concerning the brothers not knowing about Thors, you have to realise this happened years ago (shown by Thorfinn's growth from child to teenager) and these guys have gone to countless fights since and they must have joined the crew after that. Thorfinn may be our MC but he's just the feisty kid who has a bone to pick with Askeladd to them.

Birdsanddrugs said:
Only part that I didn't like from the EP were the CG axes during the culling.

Neji said:
Another shit episode. Characters that we don't care about, violence that we have seen countless times already. All of the people who comment on realism, how many burned villages we have seen already? What the hell you think that dane invasion is anyway. Everyone knows that innocent die, so what was the purpose of this episode. Also those two brothers didn't know why Thor died or who he was? That is idiotic, this show is going down the drain, but fanboys are too blind to see it.

P.S. Also can people please stop going crazy about background and such, yes we got it it looks good, but how many episodes are we going to discuss it.

Dariat said:
I don't really get the purpose of this episode. We all know that vikings do bad stuff, we've seen it the show plenty of times already. Do they really need to a whole episode about this?

Gabisu said:
Ok, listen here, Anne is a character in this episode, that whole family are > THIS EPISODE <, characters are not the ones that cover the spotlight during an entire work, even in an isolated moment, they are characters.

So why doesn't the priest make sense? He is an example that he was always listening to his own hypocrisy, and when we finally have his recent moments, which are for something deep or something average, they become complementary. There is no construction without these little things, and the anime works slowly on it, fitting in a few, or wanted something extremely forced and crushed? Religion is the strong point of this arch, especially about the Priest and Canute own questioning when 'these' scenes occur (this is not a spoiler here).

Knowing is different from meeting fully, they see 1% of the person Thors was, and both were unconscious at the time Thors was killed, the anime didn't give them a single touch, so why the hell would they know directly how he was? If the fact that the same happens after the fall of Thors, they do not carry as memorable for their lives, they all have their goals what fill in their head with it, practically Thorfinn has no major impact on the lives of these Vikings except Askeladd.

Have you ever watched Monster or Erin? Do you know what is the most important step for the progress of a narrative? The preservation of an atmosphere, an episode without this, becomes a coreless episode, the stories are just poorly structured, some lucky enough to hold, what you say is the kind of saying: '' Ah, this episode hunter x hunter only had dialogue, so he's useless and bad ''. An example of another famous anime, this kind of comment already says a lot about someone who is not immersed in anything displayed, and if it really is, then it may be superficially.

> Characterization of the priest
> Approach a different perspective among massacres victims
> Also reinforce how brutal and focused on Askeladd (after this episode creates, that there are no more scenes of the kind, so I think he corrects that, there Askeladd is not the hero everyone thinks)
> The plot needs to progress doesn't it? How will they take shelter this winter? Here was the first step, which then gives the consequences for what comes next.
> And Anne will be important for the next episode too, if you have read the manga, know what happens next, which becomes a consequence.

ALSO: the way they put this girl, a character who is in a very religious family and she was going out of the way and was afraid of being punished by God, but her greed was high and she couldn't get rid of the ring. And then they introduced the Askeladd which is something that is not afraid of punishment and goes only with the focus of achieving their goals and keeping their men alive, and with the death of the village people he ended up giving "salvation" to the Girl who now knows that if worse people than her are not being punished, he will not be punished either and again this comes into effect in the future episode.

But i following your concept, it's just useless, isn't it?

Dariat said:
I don't really get the purpose of this episode. We all know that vikings do bad stuff, we've seen it the show plenty of times already. Do they really need to a whole episode about this?

AnubisSchu said:
I love this episode so much... It depicts the several beliefs and faction of humanity that divides how the way they think but not just because of their exposure to such an environment, but also their sets of beliefs. Just like Askeladd said, Evey human is a slave to something. Like the belief of Danes in particular, they don't have sets of belief that fears them over their judgment by God as Christians do that fears the judgement of God. They were able to d what they do because of, let me reiterate again, their environment and sets of beliefs. Thorfinn is selfish of taking revenge over helping the imminent suffering and death of these individuals, which means he is a slave of the notion of having a conventional fight rather than eliminating the threat right away. It as well, emphasize the word love in the initial episodes which the Christian priest stated. Thors embodies this, he has love, compassion, and eccentric personality that the Priest was stunned by it, implying the word it's seeking.

Best episode so far besides episode 9 which Thorinn questioned himself what so fun about war and episode 3 that shines brightly over Thor's personality and wisdom.

I really need to read the manga now, this show is really well oriented. One of the best storytelling I've seen and Mob Psycho 100 as well. It's been a long time since I've watched anime and this anime really shines brightly to me.