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| Wait, what? So, his father knew that Ash was being sexually abused as a kid, and did absolutely nothing to protect him? To make matters worse, he told Ash to just let the guy have his way with him, but take revenge on him eventually. What kind of bullshit is that? I don't know if I missed something during that whole conversation, but it was very fucking odd. His father's an awful dad. Also, poor Jennifer. And Ash's father didn't really seem to care when she died. Hell, most of them didn't. There was barely any reaction, except for that "only the good die young" line. This whole episode felt tonally off. |
MormegilAug 10, 2018 9:23 AM
| I thought it was great to open the episode with Max singing, I hope he remembers the rest of the lyrics and we get a full version in the OST or something. Ash grew up in such a beautiful place that I didn't understand why he wasn't happy to be back there, as Eiji immediately realized, but it soon became all too clear. I thought that Ash ended up falling into Dino's vile hands because he lost the only family he ever had, his brother, but no, it turns out he had a "father". A "father" that doesn't even know that one of his sons is dead, one that certainly didn't even try to find out if his son returned well from the war, or opened his letters, one that treats his child, that's right in front of him like trash. I was glad to see Max enraged, because it was too much, but also relieved that Ibe-san prevented him from punching that scumbag, even though he certainly deserved it. As if the way he treats his son wasn't enough, he's even unnecessarily rude to his current partner, showing clearly the kind or person that he is. We then learn that Ash's life was never a peaceful or happy one, his home environment wasn't ideal from the start, I was as depressed as Max, even though this isn't even the worst part of Ash's damaged childhood. On a lighter and adorable scene, we can see Eiji freaking out at the sight of a rat, which was lovely as most scenes with this angel are. Also going through Griffin's stuff they managed to find the name and confirm the adress of the guy that killed him, it was good progress. I loved how Eiji stared at Ibe, it was like he was asking for permission, but at the same time saying that he just had to go. When Eiji asked Ash if he hated that place, he just answers that he never even thought about it. Feeling nothing about a place that was supposed to be a safe haven, a home, is even sadder than hating it, which made it all the more poignant. Ash teaching Eiji how to handle a gun was lovely, even though I can't help but worry a bit like Ibe-san, it was clear he was going to confront Ash, but I'm glad it was a light talk. It's true that Eiji and Ash are really different, but maybe that's why they attract each other so much. We also got a bit more of insight into Eiji's situation before being rescued by Ibe, it's a really compelling struggle, and I feel really sorry for him. Here's hoping that not just Ash, but that Ibe and the others will be able to see Eiji "flying" once again. A side comment, but I love how Max and Ibe instantly became friends, I'm glad they can talk openly. And even Max can see that the best for Eiji right now isn't to go back to Japan, but to be by Ash's side, as dangerous as it may be. Eiji then snapped at Ash's "father" because he mistreated his son again for no reason whatsoever, after we get to know how Ash's life went awry at the young age of 7... And even though this was written decades ago, unfortunately, sex crimes are still treated like this, the fault is always with the victim for "seducing" the abuser, be it a woman, a kid or even a man, they will try to find faults at them by saying that it was because they were wearing "provocative clothes" or at the "wrong place", they are rarely taken serisouly, it's truly sickening. I can't believe he had to go through this, as if what we already knew wasn't terrible enough, but the worst part of it all is how his father abandoned him, he turned away, leaving him to be abused, even though he knew it was happening. "If this happens again just accept it and ask money for it", is this truly a father? I can't put into words how despicable, unfair, coward and cruel this man is. Of course he would run away, he felt alone, powerless, maybe even guilty when he was the victim, he was just a kid, he fell into an even worse hellhole, if only his "father" had sheltered and helped him through it, things would've been different. They were then found, a pity it was the woman that died in the cross-fire and not his "father", she seemed to be a good person, and that escape scene was supposed to "redeem" him or something, I hope we won't ever have to see his face again, he's just as guilty of everything that befell his children as the mafia. And then the banker that wanted Dino out of the picture ends up joining forces with him, and they have a lot of information about all of the people helping Ash already, it seems like they have no one to count on, maybe those two policemen, but I doubt they can do much. Seeing them happy for reaching LA was nice though, I wonder how my heart will be utterly broken in the next episode. |
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| I dont know ... im not sure about this episode. Felt pretty damn rushed. |
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Major_Gilbert said: The way Dino knows everything so quickly is pretty scary. I get that he's a mafia boss, but still... Things that we can't see is what scares us the most. Dino has his way around everything. |
When someone asks me why I like anime, I'd say Just Because. |
| I'm probably the only one but this episode is the first one that left me pretty underwhelmed. The father as a character and his relationship with Ash seemed so unrealistic and I just couldn't suspend my disbelief any further anymore. Especially when he chose to open up to Ash's group out of nowhere and just told his complete backstory to a group of strangers after he's been presented as the type of person who would never share anything like that even to his closer friends. Finding out through Jennifer or that friend of his would've been more realistic. I just didn't like this episode because I didn't feel any genuine emotion or any realistic emotional depth to the relationship and character of the father. Him covering for Ash didn't convince me either. |
Because this anime has no place for girls. |
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| I'm enjoying the show quite a bit, but these deaths feel weird to me. Like someone dies, the characters look affected for the reminder of the scene, but as soon as we switch to a new one, they're acting like nothing ever happened. I get that for most of these deaths, Ash is the only person out of the group that really had any semblance of a connection with the deceased, but it's still kinda jarring to see the rest of them default back to their usual banter so quickly. Hope I explained that well enough, because honestly, it's my only real complaint so far. |
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| Glad this part is over and done with because it's one of my least favorite parts in the manga. Ash's backstory is just too much and I hated the attempt to redeem his shitty dad at the end. Looking forward to the next arc because that's when the story really gets going. The girl who shows up next episode is pretty much best girl by default because she's the only one who will get a decent-ish amount of screentime. |
anime_kitchen said: As someone who grew up on Cape Cod, I was very interested to see how it would look in an anime (the only instance, to my knowledge). At first, I was disappointed by what looked like mountains in the background of one shot. The bar was generic, and the grassy fields looked more like prairie than seashore (not enough sand!). I'll give the animators credit for the "dairy" Cape newspaper, the sailboat on the shelf, and the lighthouse later in the episode. The houses weren't really indicative of what you'd see on the Cape, but again, I'll give credit for switching up the architecture a little. I hope it was as fun for the animators to go to an offbeat locale as it was for me to see what home looks like through their eyes! In the creators defense they pretty much replicated what was in the manga. Which is basically all we saw both ways tbh |
| Oscar and Andre deserved better |
| Good epsiode, this. We got to know more of Ash’s backstory and it’s depressing as expected. This show really likes to top around with him, by the looks of it. It’s a bit saddening that his father will have to go behind bars now but I’m glad his farewell message to his son might just save Ash when things get more intense and hopeless for him, unlike a certain mother in SnK. Dino seems like a much more challenging mafia than I expected. Op and especially the ED is just dope! I’m beginning to really enjoy the show now. Looking forward to the next epsiode! |
#Anime4Life be my Life Motto! #PrayForKyoAni  |
| This anime always suprises me i never expected to see something like that .... Looking forward to the next episode!! |
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Holy fuck, Ash’s childhood was fucked up. He had a dad who didn’t fight for him. Yes, he went over to the baseball coach’s house with the police but after that he just told his son to let pedophiles to rape him and to make money from it too? He just confirmed that he allowed SEVERAL ADULT MEN to rape his son. No wonder Ash never cared whenever he was sexually assaulted and even used sex on the same-sex to get what he needs or wants. His own father didn’t love him enough to protect him. Jennifer, who is completely unrelated to him, treats him better. She’s already a better parent than Ash’s own father. She was the nicest person in this episode and she was killed. His shitbag father survived though. Ugh. I have a fair idea who Yut Lung, the Dragon Moon guy is. He’s most likely that guy in the opening who was caressing Shorter’s face with a sly look on his face. He’s probably going to be all buddy-buddy with them or he’s Shorter’s boyfriend or something. My favorite part was when Shorter slit Golzine’s henchman’s throat. Also, taking note that these characters have updated gadgets and technology. Since the manga was set in the 80s, I’m sure they still had the Yellow Pages and giant cellphones and shit. |
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| This serie is getting better and better! Only downside was the lack of emotions when Jennifer died. She was the best person that ep and deserved more screen time or something :(. |
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| Ash really is just a magnet for death and destruction huh |
| “I love heroes, but I don't want to be one. Do you even know what a hero is!? For example, you have some meat. Pirates will feast on the meat, but the hero will distribute it among the people! I want to eat the meat!” - Monkey D. Luffy |
| i'm just laughing so hard at everyone revolted at banana fish "turning gay" because 1) they're literally just adapting the manga, it's all in the source material too; 2) most of it (save for ash and eiji's relationship) is outright abusive and depicted as such throughout the entire series (aka absolutely not fetishized by the fandom, which in fact recognizes that yoshida's treatment of these issues was not always the best); 3) it is gay, fam, get over it. not every character has to be a hettie ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ |
| It was a good episode because of the background story. Now we know where Ash came from but honestly, I don't get his father and trying to humanise him at the end also didn't work for me. |
| Yeah it was almost a perfect epsiode except the part where the woman(Jennifer) died like it was so unnecessary I couldn't help but be bothered by it till the end |
thepath said: It keeps getting better. best episode so far coalas said: i'm just laughing so hard at everyone revolted at banana fish "turning gay" because 1) they're literally just adapting the manga, it's all in the source material too; 2) most of it (save for ash and eiji's relationship) is outright abusive and depicted as such throughout the entire series (aka absolutely not fetishized by the fandom, which in fact recognizes that yoshida's treatment of these issues was not always the best); 3) it is gay, fam, get over it. not every character has to be a hettie ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Agreed on both counts. Who cares if there are gay themes throughout, are people that insecure? The story is progressing and the characters are worth following and show growth. AOTS at the moment for me. |
Vindicater said: thepath said: It keeps getting better. best episode so far coalas said: i'm just laughing so hard at everyone revolted at banana fish "turning gay" because 1) they're literally just adapting the manga, it's all in the source material too; 2) most of it (save for ash and eiji's relationship) is outright abusive and depicted as such throughout the entire series (aka absolutely not fetishized by the fandom, which in fact recognizes that yoshida's treatment of these issues was not always the best); 3) it is gay, fam, get over it. not every character has to be a hettie ¯_(ツ)_/¯ Agreed on both counts. Who cares if there are gay themes throughout, are people that insecure? Yes, especially on MAL lol. Also there are a lot of anime watchers unable to understand there are other audiences watching stuff, hence the screaming and screeching every time a female-oriented anime is announced. Ironically most of the "gay" stuff in BF isn't even played for fanservice! |
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| Even though Ash's father told the backstory, I still don't get why he made fun of his son in such a way in the beginning of the episode. Also poor Jennifer, the show indicated that both father and son cared about her but in the end 2 mins after she died no one blinked an eye, just a "the good ones die first" or something. But this was an awesome episode, we got the backstory for both Ash and Eiji and also beautiful sceneries! Some contact on the shooting scene as well, that certainly got my secret fujoshi self shipping. But I mean, there is no shounen-ai tag, only shoujo which is something you wouldn't expect alongside action, mafia etc but I can see how that works. In general, it is a really fast-paced show, I saw all 6 episodes in one sitting and now I feel like my brain really needs a break from anime for a couple of days. I wish they had slice of life-type of scenes every once in a while so that the viewers can take a break. That would result in a greater impact for the action scenes. Cause even when there is no action, we are bombarded with information and mystery. Also I was wondering how the author came up with all this, was she like "Hey, let's give this guy the worst possible childhood that we can think of with a past of the most disgusting things that could happen at the most vulnerable time of his life" |
CuriousNekoAug 15, 2018 2:04 PM
| "Sometimes life is like jazz, and goes in an unexpected direction." (Sakamichi no Apollon) |
| Pretty good episode but very flawed. Still the story is pretty strong. Defenitely a must-watch. Mormegil said: Wait, what? So, his father knew that Ash was being sexually abused as a kid, and did absolutely nothing to protect him? To make matters worse, he told Ash to just let the guy have his way with him, but take revenge on him eventually. What kind of bullshit is that? I don't know if I missed something during that whole conversation, but it was very fucking odd. His father's an awful dad. Also, poor Jennifer. And Ash's father didn't really seem to care when she died. Hell, most of them didn't. There was barely any reaction, except for that "only the good die young" line. This whole episode felt tonally off. To be honest that was very confusing. Considering the fact that Ash was raped as a kid this accusation was totally baseless. Dad has no idea what Ash was doing when he ran away. So why? Was something cut from the manga? And the way father told this story to some group of strangers just because... Yeah, that was info dump at best. No wonder nobody cared when Jennifer died. So far the woman are treated like a 5-th grade characters that are just there because they need to(Jennifer, Doctor`s assistent). Nobody gave a shit when she died. Shame. |
| well people really die hard in this anime.. not very accustomed to see people die like that.. things may go even more haywire from now on… |
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| Will Eiji ever stop fucking up things? |
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| Well, in this episode, we got some more information about Ash's past. So he was 8 when he killed for the first time and has been abused since then too. That's rough, for sure. Regarding the episode, I liked most of it but I don't know what to think about Ash's father and his attitude towards his son... he didn't protect him like a real father should do and years later, he just hates him and says he "seduces" men and shit... Not to mention that when they tried to redeem himself, it just felt so artificial and sudden. So yeah, that redemption didn't make me feel anything at all. And ralated to that, I also feel bad for Jennifer, she was a kind woman and despite not being relatives, she treated Ash in such a maternal way I though she was his mom the first time a saw her. Man, what a curse Ash possesses... all the people he cares, get killed. |
| Despite being an asshole, that was a cool dad til the end, pity the girl died like that. |
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| The crew heads out to Cape Cod, Ash’s hometown, to get Griffin’s things. We’re introduced to Ash’s dad and his wife. Tbh I wasn’t too fond of his dad as he was a total jerk. But the wife was very kind. I can’t believe Ash went through even more sexual trauma. He was abused several times as a child all while his father knew. How could any parent live knowing their child was going through that? Sadly, Dino’s Men catch up to them and end up killing the wife, Jennifer, and injuring Ash’s father. At the last minute, Ash’s dad actually decides to be nice and helps them all escape. Still don’t like him. And now, we’re in LA. I’m guessing we’re gonna see the guy with The pretty hair soon? |
| Just what is this show's problem? Not that I'm complaining, I'm loving the plot and everything, it's just that this show doesn't know when to tone down the tragedies, and again, I don't mean it in a bad way, it seems that as we get deeper into the story and we get more information about Ash, it's only getting more depressing for him and the people around. His father played the tough stance till the end (Not that he's dead, but you get me), a father's love, maybe not like a mother's, probably because of the manly facade. Everybody is now at this strange territory, Los Angeles, we shall see some real action here, the land of no return. |
| This episode is another heartbreaking EP, I really feel sad when Ash's past is being flashback. He suffered a lot. Jennifer also seems to be a nice woman she she needs to die (sobs) but good to see his Dad still cares for him |
  ★━━─ 𝘏𝘰𝘸 𝘤𝘢𝘯 𝘐 𝘣𝘳𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘱𝘦𝘢𝘤𝘦 𝘵𝘰 𝘮𝘺 𝘩𝘦𝘢𝘳𝘵? 𝘞𝘩𝘦𝘯 𝘐 𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘬 𝘢𝘣𝘰𝘶𝘵 𝘪𝘵 𝘦𝘷𝘦𝘳𝘺 𝘥𝘢𝘺? |
| Emotionally, this episode left an impact on me. I'm taking a course now about violence and family. I'm reminded of my professor talking about the focus, and especially, the blame going to the victim. A major reason why so many people do not report on abuse is because of the fear that people won't believe them, and/or they don't have faith in the justice system because it heavily relies on physical evidence. (Physical evidence isn't always present, like if the victim was too shocked and/or afraid to fight back. Some people know they'll get severely beaten or even killed if they fight back, so they don't and hope it all ends :/) So, it's incredibly horrible and cruel that the police did not believe Ash, despite how bruised he was, and his clothes were ruined @____@ Why would a seven-year-old ever lie about the sexual and physical abuse they experienced?? Since the police did not believe Ash, I see why Jim told his son to accept the sexual abuse but to at least get paid for it. And thank goodness Ash killed that "Bluebeard of Cape Cod," but Ash was only eight years old :(( Maybe Jim speaks to Ash as a sex worker and wants Ash to leave, for Ash's sake too? After all, Jim sent his son to his little sister's house, so Ash could get away from the community gossip after Ash murdered that rapist. Poor Jennifer shouldn't have died.... ;------; Jennifer did nothing wrong, and she was caring towards Ash. And she didn't deserve the verbal abuse Jim was giving her too. I'm happy to see that our main crew are finally in LA! :) And knowing that this series was completed in the 1990s, I'm impressed by the animation team's thoughtfulness, like having Ash pull out an iPhone and searching the Internet. There were lots of lights in LA too. It's nice to see Ash teaching Eiji how to shoot. My country also doesn't allow people to carry guns for self-defence, so I wouldn't know how to hold a gun just like Eiji xD Ideally, I'd like Ash to eventually live a normal, peaceful life... It's not fair that he experienced so much violence growing up, and he learned to protect himself (like holding a gun) because no one else would :/ Now, Dino agreed to give Mr. Lee a portion of a heroine market in Europe. We'll probably meet Yut Lung, one of Mr. Lee's workers, next episode... I love that fluffy moment at the beginning of the episode when Max kept singing a phrase of a song on repeat (he couldn't remember the rest lol), and then we have Eiji, Ibe, and Shorter asleep in the back of the truck :P |
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| Textbook definition of victim blaming, and how close it is still in our society. A terrible father is what Ash's dad was, glad he wasn't making things worse in the end though. I'm still at dark about where this show is heading, and the anticipation is rather exciting. |
| Yea just tell your son to keep getting fucked in the ass, by the fucker who raped him too, as long as the guy pays him. What the fuck even is this shit. |
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| Eiji getting scared from a rat... so cute. Also damn. No one seems safe in this anime. Side character wise, at least. |
LycanAug 16, 2019 7:41 PM
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| Man, Ash's father was kinda fucked up, what kind of support towards his son is that supposed to be, lol. His "redemption" and sudden bonding time felt forced. He's so cold, even after Jennifer died he barely reacted :| Other than that I did enjoy this ep quite a lot. Can't wait for Ash and Eiji to form stronger relationship! |
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| Poor Jennifer, I feel so bad for her |
| I'm Bruneian and I like anime. And Manchester United. And fat cats. |
| the father was kinda of a shit father for just telling ash to get raped but ask for pay afterwards. I'm glad ash killed the rapist |
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| Eiji is right.....after all Ash has been through, he’s still not broken, he still shows kindness to others who may be hostile towards him like sparing their lives. Poor Ash, what a dark childhood he had. What a trashy dad???? At least he bothered to cover up for his son & gave him his blessing. Poor Jennifer, she was so kind. RIP ㅠㅡㅠ Can’t get attached to these characters. Someone always dies. I teared up when Ash was running away & hopping on the truck. Damn it! Someone give him a break already. |
 ꕤ but i’ll probably remember over and over again you were there and everyone else was there — the day we all searched for just one thing ꕤ |
| "Yes. I will assign Yut Lung to personally attend to it." WHEEZES HE'S COMING |
CalmTeaTimeJan 8, 2022 2:39 PM
| back to Ash hometown... Bruhh more of Ash tragic backstory. RIP good girl Jennifer. |
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| Damn, not Jennifer, she definitely didn't deserve to die. At least from this whole situation, Ash was more or less able to reconcile with his father. Speaking of Ash, wow what a character. To go what he has gone through (it seems like every episode we are given more insight into how hard his past was), would break almost anybody. But it all just made this guy even stronger. |
  NYANPASU  whiskey tango foxtrot |
| Oh come on I didn't want her to die :( |
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