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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- Very interesting episode about art and Braiking boss. The city itself is mesmerizing and mysterious. Margo is interesting and it's a guy so I was wrong in the last episode assuming this was a female robot. Let's start the review. The beginning of this episode is the most interesting and it changes the aspects of what happened to Luna completely! What I mean by this is that first we see Luna and her blood in the lake. I mean we see Luna's body floating into the lake and blood. Second would be there was someone else besides Casshern during that time *still have shivers after that* At first when Casshern enters this city it makes think the city is in ruins itself and the people living in it are also going towards the ruin regardless. They looked a lot like bums, the robots living there. The little boy was cute! :3 As Casshern walks around the city may I also add the city looks most beautiful even if it is in ruin when the snow falls on it. Then he meets Margo. A painter robot on a wheelchair that paints apparently all the city but mainly those who died, which I find very mysterious yet enchanting since this is his way of portraying his art. Margo shows and explains about BraiKing boss and how he made him see the colors he shows Casshern. I found this part interesting of the colors and that they are always only left in that place Margo shows Casshern. Ringo making a appearance was very good as usual since I appreciate Ringo appearing whenever. Ringo looks also enchanted by the city except for its dead inhabitants that have been left. The little kid was so cute with his Luna doll! :3 Wish I could help him out with that ruin of his. Looked quite innocent and was frighten by the name mention Casshern. I did not like that old man with his three stupid robot guards. He abused Margo and killed him! Although Margo's death was not by him directly he damaged Margo enough to have him death. Since he was in ruin already. Good thing Casshern kill them all! You go and kick ass Casshern! The strange in this episode is that I was into all the way but when Margo dies my T_T started to fall and it hit somehow hard. I guess he affected somehow and I did feel bad for Margo to be abused like that after all he is in a wheelchair so to me he looks to be handicap. Overall great episode! 7/5 for me since it suddenly made me T_T when I least expected it. 1.Margo..........T_T 2.Ringo.............somehow in the beginning I was ^_^ 1.  2.  |
slayer545-samaDec 21, 2008 10:15 AM
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| Lol I'm starting to see a formula here. Casshern meets someone new, the new person is threatened by some douchebag robots and Casshern beats them up. Kinda interesting with Braiking Boss. Next episode smells of win with backstory. |
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| Story was okay, but not necessarily outstanding in any way. |
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| Back to the formula...but there was some striking cinematography. Overall: just okay for me. |
| so sad! beautiful episode. |
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| Kinda sad about Margo, but really nothing special. 4/5, but closer to 3 than to 5. |
| Very poetic and desperate episode, as always. A return to the usual slow-paced/friend of the day/Casshern-centered episode, and a good one at that. |
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| Friends of Casshern and mortality rate: episode 1 - Ringo (survived) episode 2 - Friender (survived) - though Friender's former owners did not. episode 3 - Akoes (died) episode 4 - Sophita (survived) episode 5 - n/a - Dio appears episode 6 - n/a - Fight with Dio episode 7 - Lizabel (the bell girl) (survived) episode 8 - Janice (the one who sings) (surivived) episode 9 - Nico (died) episode 10 - n/a - Dio episode. The focus character (Luna's bodyguard) survives, though. episode 11 - Jin (survived) episode 12 - Margo (died) Correct me if I'm wrong on any of those, but it would appear that the side characters have a 75% survival rate, which is not bad for a world that's slowly crumbling into dust. I wouldn't say that the complaints that the series is getting overly predictable because the side characters are dying are justified. It's nothing compared to Jigoku Shoujo. |
| Now which ones end on a rather depressing note? All but Jin and the episode with Dio....maybe. And which ones end with a fight scene...most all |
| Almost none of them have been truly depressing. Even the ones that end in death have had a strong message of hope. And while true that most of the episodes have an action scene near the end, that's not really a sign of dull storytelling. It's an action series, after all. If there is an argument for needless repetition, it's with the appearance of Ringo and that Old Guy in every single episode. Seriously, what need is there to keep showing them? It's easy to understand the themes of the episode without blatant lines like, "He's pretty. I wonder if he lived life to the fullest until the end?" That's pretty trivial though, as those guys usually get less than a minute of screen time. I think you're being overly critical. The style of Casshern is only a little bit different from Kino's Journey or Mushishi. |
| I don't think it's trivial at all. It's formulaic. Where's the hope in Dio's episode? In Akoes episode? In friender's first episode? Especially in Lizabel and Janice's episode? If the hope is just acceptance of death then that's not hope at all. Hope has only truly been introduced in Jin's episode...the only one ending with a positive tone. As far as Kino's Journey is concerned, there was far more variety in story, not near as much death, and overall better storytellling that didn't bother to try and tie everything together. Same with Mushishi, even though it was quite formulaic and had a visual sameness. I think the difference is that Casshern is trying to tie everything thematically under Luna, while Kino and Mushishi just let the worlds speak for themselves. I don't need a little girl robot to tell me how I should feel. I don't need bad metaphors either. If they would just let the show speak for itself, like when Casshern was just staring at the Silver Road, or that shot of one of the gang robots half sobbing at the color of the wall, then that would be great, and I wouldn't have any complaints. |
| My memory is bad, but I'll try to remember what happened without actually rewatching them. Anyway, if I write an obvious lie, feel free to call me on it. In friender's episode the girl tells Friender to go with Casshern as she's dying. Doesn't get any more positive than forgiveness in the face of death. Akoes proved that Casshern isn't "the Grim Reaper" because he didn't kill him. Trying to help someone you just met as your last act is also a very positive thing. Lizabel and Janice (and Nico and Margo) were all examples of doing something productive despite the apparent hopelessness around them. They didn't give up, and accomplished something. Extremely positive. Dio's episodes have been the exception, so far, but I'd guess that will change in Dio's final episode. I won't disagree with you that Casshern tends to be heavy-handed with what it's trying to say. I'm a minimalist, and that kind of thing really bugs me. However, it's not always like that, and Casshern has some great things going for it to begin with. It's following a formula, but that's not a bad thing when the formula works, and there's enough variation to keep things interesting. Mushishi had an even more cookie-cutter approach (Ginko arrives, problem happens, Ginko fixes it [or sometimes not], Ginko leaves). I'd say that describes 90% of the episodes, but the formula didn't take away from the actual stories themselves. I'd say Casshern is doing roughly the same thing, and shouldn't be criticized on that point. |
| Average episode it was not really that interesting. Next episode looks interesting. |
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| i personally quite liked this episode, and most animes stick to a formula its just that cassherns shows quite easily. It was good to finally hear something about braking boss instead of people just mentioning his name. also does anyone have any idea who margo's voice actor was? i swear i reconsied it. I also really like that backing song with the accoustic guitars and the singer, i need to find it somewhere.... |
| Casshern does have some great things going for it...I was kind of in love with the show after the first episdoe. It just became very apparent wha the formula was after the first episode. I don't have a problem with shows being generally forumlaic, but it doesnt change anything up. While what you said was true Naikou, episodes that end up in caranage, death, suicide, destruction of life's work, or regret are all negative to me. Just because there is a positive aspect doesn't mean the overall tone was positive. You can't just look at the silver lining of a disaster and say it was a wholly positive experience, and that was what I was trying to point out. The tone is highly redundant. And I agree, there is a heavy-handedness in the show that I never appreciate in anime that adds to my disappointment in the show. |
noteDhero said: Casshern does have some great things going for it...I was kind of in love with the show after the first episdoe. It just became very apparent wha the formula was after the first episode. I don't have a problem with shows being generally forumlaic, but it doesnt change anything up. While what you said was true Naikou, episodes that end up in caranage, death, suicide, destruction of life's work, or regret are all negative to me. Just because there is a positive aspect doesn't mean the overall tone was positive. You can't just look at the silver lining of a disaster and say it was a wholly positive experience, and that was what I was trying to point out. The tone is highly redundant. And I agree, there is a heavy-handedness in the show that I never appreciate in anime that adds to my disappointment in the show. Nice comments noteDhero but I prefer to focus on the pinpoint of meaning only in the art. The story as you said may be such but the art meanings like the bell, the rusted flowers and the blue flower have far interest in knowing their meanings to me. |
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| Hmmm... I don't think I'm looking for any silver linings. There might be more negativity in the episodes, but the main point of each one is positive. And I don't agree that Casshern Sins is redundant - only a few of the episodes have had the same theme. Maybe my sense of redundancy is dull though. As I mentioned before, nothing can ever compare to Jigoku Shoujo, outside of actually showing the same episdoe 26 times. |
| Never seen hell girl, it seemed to be on par with xxxholic, which I have already seen. It might be a little dull, or I could be overexaggerating, but I don't think I am. |
Jarmel said: Ah, now that you mention it, that does seem to be the case for most episodes. But that new person always has an interesting and different story.I'm starting to see a formula here. Casshern meets someone new, the new person is threatened by some douchebag robots and Casshern beats them up. Depressing episode. I thought Margo was a girl at first though :P |
| Episode gets 4/5 points from me. No significant story development but still great animation, characters and settings! |
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| dun knoe y.... but i feel sleepy... -_-zZZ.... |
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| The same reason why I've felt sleepy half of this season? |
| oh no another doomed robot dude who we are supposed to feel terribly sorry for! i'm not sure if i can feel as sorry for him as i've felt for each one of the dudes in all the past few episodes! pointless drama wheeeeeeeeeeeeee |
| this may be what his being is meant for. the fact that he is invulnerable means that he can witness the result of the ruin first hand. it is only natural that he would meet people with unique qualities, and the fact that he had no memories of his own probably facilitates the role of a surveyor. the fact that he has no choice but to fight back when he is threatened probably has meaning too. |
| That maybe true, but unfortunately, if that is what his goal is as a character, then that means that each episode wholly revolves around the art, atmosphere, and story, just like Mushishi. The problem you run into is that after a while, things feel the same, and you have to be even more visually engaging. |
kisami said: this may be what his being is meant for. the fact that he is invulnerable means that he can witness the result of the ruin first hand. it is only natural that he would meet people with unique qualities, and the fact that he had no memories of his own probably facilitates the role of a surveyor. the fact that he has no choice but to fight back when he is threatened probably has meaning too. i completely agree, the thing about a series like this is that some people will love it and some will hate it. Anyone who hates slow animes definitely wont like it, personally i think it's great. |
| it's not that it's slow, it's that it goes nowhere, that the formula got old quickly, and that it now feels like it was pointless to begin with |
| The cinematography always amazes me, but it was a meh episode. |
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spiesc said: it's not that it's slow, it's that it goes nowhere, that the formula got old quickly, and that it now feels like it was pointless to begin with In my opinion you can't say it goes to nowhere before the show is over ; ) i think in the end everything will fit together |
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| Margo's a dude? Sad ending. I feel bad for Casshern. Seems like every kind person he meets dies on him. |
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| I want to know how Margo painted tops of high buildings. And he looks like Utena. |
sovacaJan 21, 2011 11:33 AM
| Good call on the Utena comparison, I knew Margo looked familiar! I don't mind the formula, because that's really kind of the essence of the show. Every show has formulas, they're just not so overt. Hell, I'll point out the most obvious one right now, character designs! Most shows that have a similarity in the character designs are praised for their unity. If you had a character that looked like Casshern put into Nana, you would be all "wut, you're breaking the formula!" Think about shows like Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei where teacher gives a lesson, class goes outside to "learn", and we are subject to examples and absurdity. The formula is the springboard to approach different kinds of humor than usual. Hell, look at Utena again, total monster of the week formula, and repeating sequences up the wazoo, but these were all intentional and beneficial to the show. I guess what I'm saying is that there's nothing wrong with formulas and a show without any formulas would actually suck. |
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| the formula is getting real old with me, so this gets bumped to a 5/10 for now. I hope the 2nd half shows some improvement. |
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| I liked this episode ,it was sweet and understandable |
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| Margo ideal's was a good one. I guess these robots don't quite understand death as it is for humans. Live your life, while it last, just like humans. Being immortal can be a curse as well. Margo VA seem familar. |
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| I might have been doing something on another tab while I let this episode play. |
| Holy crap I thought for sure that Margo guy was a girl until I heard his voice and was like wtf? Pretty good episode, nothing too special. 4/5 |
| Pretty slow yet interesting episode! |
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| Nothing new here really but the cinematography is breathtaking. |
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| Margo, we'll never forget you :( I don't get why people are complaining that the series is formulaic. Its basically similar to Mushishi. Throughout the series, Casshern meets various humans and robots; some resigned to their fate, some still carrying hope. Casshern slowly develops as a character through these experiences. This episode was as good as it gets. Amazing cinematography, soundtrack and a bit of info on Luna.. 5/5 |
Kagami_Hiiragi said: Idc if you think its weird, I have a life and friends and an income of money. |
| It was a great episode, most likely my fav so far. Margo :/ |
| Can't wait to see more of Luna, she has been built up so much. Also wonder how far Casshern has traveled so far. It's been kind of strange how Ouji and Ringo have always been right behind wherever Casshern travels. It can't be a coincidence, it would be nice if it was explained why they are traveling from place to place too. |
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sovaca said: I want to know how Margo painted tops of high buildings. And he looks like Utena. LMAO I had the same question regarding this episode. Nigga couldn't climb stairs but apparently painted the tops of buildings. Wonderful. |
 From artists to dictators, everyone wants to leave their mark upon the world. Dying isn't as scary as being forgotten, so we should live life to its fullest until then. Furthermore, as history moves on, conflicts will forever blemish and scar the pages of time, and all we can do is continuously repaint the present to cover up the past. Maybe not for the future, but at least so we can keep moving on. At least, that's Margo's outlook. This was a particularly optimistic episode, despite how it ended. For some reason, whenever we get artists in anime, they're either eccentric or insane, consumed by their art since apparently all artists are obsessive. I thought we were going to get that when Casshern stepped into Margo's work initially, but thankfully he ended up being a kindred soul. There was a lot of food for thought in this episode, and I liked the notion of different rulers painting over each other before nature would overtake everything at the end. It does sound really futile, trying to leave our marks on the world only for everything to reset to zero. For the world of Casshern Sins, who would remember the remnents of the Ruin after everyone is gone? If memories are preserved in art, architecture, literature and other artifacts, who would be there to learn of them? The next forms of intelligent life? Aliens? It's almost a fatalistic way of thinking, but as far as the episode goes, leaving one's mark upon the world, even if it's ugly and scarred, is better than just wasting away in apathy and despair. Kinda heavy handed in how it was presented by the end, but I think that's still a nice lesson to take from this show. |
| Fine episode, nothing special |
| Wow, I loved this episode's message ! I'm totally agreeing with Margo's philosophy. Speaking of Margo, another wonderful character who didn't get to live long enough... Poor guy. It was so sad to see that ruin had to ruin him too. He seemed to be an eccentric but lively artist with a great view of the world. And I got so anxious when those guys beat him up and started destroying his paintings, though I can't say I truly blame them for giving up on hope. When everything is falling apart, can definitely be hard to have the same mental strength as Margo or Janice in an earlier episode (which makes me realize, while we met a lot of characters who gave up on hope, most of the "main" ones from each episode have been the opposite, that's a beautiful message right there). About the plot, we learned some interesting things, about the Breaking Boss' reign but also about Luna's view of the world. She wanted to let nature take over the city... But I agree with Casshern, what was she really trying to save ? To me it just sounds like she led the world to ruin. |
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