DrBalls said: If you include sth that isn't anime on MAL, then why not add Castlevania, Avatar and other western produced shows on here? Because those aren't Chinese. The admins have to limit the scope of this database somehow, and they arbitrarily chose to limit it to east Asia. |
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| The 2011 reboot of Thundercats is more anime than any of the chinese series on this website. |
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| MAL should remove them. Anime by the definition of westerners (MAL is an English language website) should be Japanese animation only. If not, then every animation would be called anime and listen on here. Also MAL refuses to list some actual anime, such as the Rick and Morty shorts made by Studio Deen, just because Rick an Morty is a western IP (this was the actual response I was given when I asked about it). Yet The Animatrix and other Marvel and Star Wars properties are allowed. MAL has no standards at all. |
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DrBalls said: EndlessMaria said: MAL should remove them. Anime by the definition of westerners (MAL is an English language website) should be Japanese animation only. If not, then every animation would be called anime and listen on here. Exactly. It's also a bit annoying since chinese animated shows are promoted a lot on here. While a lot of actual anime aren't. Do you have any thoughts on the edit I made to my post? MAL is an absolute joke. |
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DrBalls said: They couldn't just limit it to Japan only? That would be the most obvious course of action, but no. |
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| Only Chinese, Korean, Japanese, and now Taiwanese, are allowed on this database. Idk why it is so hard to understand. I think the logic was something along the lines of many "anime" sites that had Chinese and Korean media on their databases or whatever, so it was all cool. I personally don't mind it really. It's not hurting anyone. Also, imagine being a mod of the past using MAL only to hear that your efforts have become meaningless because MAL decided it would be a good idea to purge a huge part of the database. Talk about lack of respect for work. EndlessMaria said: Also MAL refuses to list some actual anime, such as the Rick and Morty shorts made by Studio Deen, just because Rick an Morty is a western IP (this was the actual response I was given when I asked about it). Yet The Animatrix and other Marvel and Star Wars properties are allowed. MAL has no standards at all. Lol, this one annoyed me quite a bit even with what evidence I had to say that the short does indeed satisfy all the MAL guidelines. Oh well, an issue of the past now, the database has some consistency fixes now too so it isn't all so bad. |
NextUniverse said: Only Chinese, Korean, Japanese, and now Taiwanese, are allowed on this database. Idk why it is so hard to understand. I think the logic was something along the lines of many "anime" sites that had Chinese and Korean media on their databases or whatever, so it was all cool. I personally don't mind it really. It's not hurting anyone. It is hurting the identity of anime. Anime is a work of Japanese culture. Chinese, Korea, and others have their own identities. We shouldn't lump them all under the same umbrella just because they are all Asian. That devalues Asian culture. The animation of these various cultures should be appreciated by their own merits and not lumped into one. NextUniverse said: Also, imagine being a mod of the past using MAL only to hear that your efforts have become meaningless because MAL decided it would be a good idea to purge a huge part of the database. Talk about lack of respect for work. Who cares. It happens all the time. Websites evolve. I have been an editor and online writer for years and many of the stuff I have written has been made worthless. It is life. |
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| tencent is a big company with loads of money. you can't deny chinese show if you want to make good money. |
Kasutoro-Kun said: EndlessMaria said: MAL should remove them. Anime by the definition of westerners (MAL is an English language website) should be Japanese animation only. If not, then every animation would be called anime and listen on here. Also MAL refuses to list some actual anime, such as the Rick and Morty shorts made by Studio Deen, just because Rick an Morty is a western IP (this was the actual response I was given when I asked about it). Yet The Animatrix and other Marvel and Star Wars properties are allowed. MAL has no standards at all. If you're referring to star wars visions that's made by a bunch of anime studios Which makes it an anime. I was never saying that the Marvel and Star Wars stuff made by anime studios isn't anime. The point of my post was to call out MAL database staff for not including the Rick and Morty anime shorts by Studio Deen. Because this makes MAL database mods hypocrites. |
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| Chinese and Korean cartoons are, to say it rough, relative to Japanese anime. While Western cartoons like Avatar are still unrelated replica, no matter how similar it looks like. I don't mind if Avatar or something were added to database. But then they would have to add everything else, including Pixar movies, Sponge Bob, Simpsons etc, which I don't think is a good idea. |
Nemo_NiemandJul 9, 2022 8:29 AM
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| MAL mods have a thing for chinese animation probably |
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Nemo_Niemand said: I don't mind if Avatar or something were added to database. But then they would have to add everything else, including Pixar movies, Sponge Bob, Simpsons etc, which I don't think is a good idea. Avatar has absolutely no similarities to any Japanese animation work. It is a show made by westerners for westerners with western values. |
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Kasutoro-Kun said: EndlessMaria said: Which makes it an anime. I was never saying that the Marvel and Star Wars stuff made by anime studios isn't anime. The point of my post was to call out MAL database staff for not including the Rick and Morty anime shorts by Studio Deen. Because this makes MAL database mods hypocrites. I don't think mods are in charge of that the person who owns Mal is. The people who manage the database are mods. That is literally their title. |
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EndlessMaria said: It is hurting the identity of anime. Anime is a work of Japanese culture. Chinese, Korea, and others have their own identities. We shouldn't lump them all under the same umbrella just because they are all Asian. That devalues Asian culture. The animation of these various cultures should be appreciated by their own merits and not lumped into one. But it isn't hurting identity. The only ones calling media not anime "anime" are misinformed people. Not even MAL calls it anime. |
NextUniverse said: EndlessMaria said: It is hurting the identity of anime. Anime is a work of Japanese culture. Chinese, Korea, and others have their own identities. We shouldn't lump them all under the same umbrella just because they are all Asian. That devalues Asian culture. The animation of these various cultures should be appreciated by their own merits and not lumped into one. But it isn't hurting identity. The only ones calling media not anime "anime" are misinformed people. Not even MAL calls it anime. My guy, you are quoting sources from the same people who push the agenda that anime should be all Asian animation. This means nothing. The whole point of this discussion is to call out MAL for being wrong. So you siting MAL as a source is just hilarious. |
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DrBalls said: It does hurt, when they shove chinese titles in my face before showing me actual anime. I'm here to watch anime, just like everyone else, promoting sth that most people don't care about, goes against the core idea of MAL as an anime site. This is a lie. MAL has no function that would allow that to happen because it does not exist. EndlessMaria said: My guy, you are quoting sources from the same people who push the agenda that anime should be all Asian animation. This means nothing. The whole point of this discussion is to call out MAL for being wrong. So you siting MAL as a source is just hilarious. Again. Not even MAL called Aeni or Donghua "anime" lol. |
| I think I remember a mod saying they added Chinese and Korean shows because of user demand. |
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| "Why are chinese animated shows registered on this site?" No idea. They have korean titles too. On the other hand they refuse to register shows animated by japanese studios like Pacific Rim: The Black. |
Monochrosanity said: I think I remember a mod saying they added Chinese and Korean shows because of user demand. That's obviously a lie; the demand for American shows like Avatar and Castlevania leaves China and Korea in the dust. |
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Lucifrost said: Maybe I’m thinking of something else but I’m pretty sure I recall a mod saying that at the very least manhwa were added because of people requesting it. But who knows, you’ve got me second guessing myself now lolMonochrosanity said: I think I remember a mod saying they added Chinese and Korean shows because of user demand. That's obviously a lie; the demand for American shows like Avatar and Castlevania leaves China and Korea in the dust. |
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Monochrosanity said: Lucifrost said: Maybe I’m thinking of something else but I’m pretty sure I recall a mod saying that at the very least manhwa were added because of people requesting it. But who knows, you’ve got me second guessing myself now lolThat's obviously a lie; the demand for American shows like Avatar and Castlevania leaves China and Korea in the dust. It's not your fault; the mods could have lied to you. |
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EndlessMaria said: MAL should remove them. Anime by the definition of westerners (MAL is an English language website) should be Japanese animation only. If not, then every animation would be called anime and listen on here. Also MAL refuses to list some actual anime, such as the Rick and Morty shorts made by Studio Deen, just because Rick an Morty is a western IP (this was the actual response I was given when I asked about it). Yet The Animatrix and other Marvel and Star Wars properties are allowed. MAL has no standards at all. I was wondering why that first short was taken off...Pretty sure I had that on my list. If I had to guess why that got rejected and things like the Marvel and Star Wars anime and Ninja Batman didn't is because they have that anime artstyle. I'm willing to bet if the Rick and Morty shorts didn't look like...well...Rick and Morty, they'd be "qualified" to be on here, as dumb as that sounds. |
| They are at least better than your avg isekai/harem seasonal. Some of them are genuinely really fkin good |
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DrBalls said: That just doesn't make sense to me. If you include sth that isn't anime on MAL, then why not add Castlevania, Avatar and other western produced shows on here? Is it because a lot of japanese staff, mainly animators work on a lot of these chinese works? Although that still wouldn't make sense, I believe there are japanese animators who worked on Castlevania too. Is there any other reason, or is MAL just adding them cuz why not? How can it be called anime or manga if it's not japanese? I asked this question before and couldn't understand why they're listed as anime on mal... they're not anime since they're not made in japan or written in japanese.. |
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| https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=141101 The answers to your questions are all there. You could have just read it. |
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| I think probably because they share many attitudes towards waifus and other plot elements and tropes which is different from western media. Manga readers, in significant numbers, seem inclined to read manhua but not western comics, they seem to see it as more of the same to some extent. |
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| I see your point. MAl should remove them because logic then says that other countries shows can come in like Avatar and Castlevania as you said. Anime is supposed to be Japanese cartoons even if these chinese animated shows are the same quality as regular anime. |
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| yeah, can't believe the original RWBY isn't even on mal smh |
| Because China, Japan and Korea are basically the same country from the view of an educated American citizen. How dare you compare that to stuff made in the glorious country of freedums. |
| First, you do know google is a thing and you can use that to collect easy information. Thanks to that you would not look like a ignorant fool. For something to be considering a Anime 2 things need to be done. First, created in China, Japan and Korea. Second it need to be streamed in either of the three countries. When this have been done it can be branded as Anime. Are you guys butthurt or what is going on that Avatar is not loaded up here? As you don't know the rules of what can be branded as a Anime or not. Just because you have a opinion about something dosen't mean it's a fact. If you know don't like Chines Anime, that is far superior to a lot of shows that get released now days, just ignore them. No one is going to force you to watch them. It's rather sad to see people this butthurt and it's reason too, why their popularity will not raise. As we have fools like you, that can't even try something out. As you have already made up a opinion in your head, that it's bad. Thanks for the laugh MaL, it's nice to see that we have so many ignorant people here. And that my opinion about Anime community being dumb is true, thank you very much.  |
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DrBalls said: TheBigGuy said: https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=141101 The answers to your questions are all there. You could have just read it. I've read it. And it doesn't answer anything. It's just mal mods tryna convince its users that their money-grabbing scheme is actually justifiable lmao. Actually if you had read it, you'd know it provides 0 info on the topic of this thread, it never even explains why these chinese and korean cartoons are included in the database. That thread answers the question on a basic level: - Section I.1, basically says Anime = "Animation of Japanese, Chinese, and Korean origin intended for that same audience." - Section I.2.2 stipulates that, "If only the animation is outsourced to Japan/Korea/China, the animation is not eligible [as a DB entry]." That's how the MAL staff chose to define anime. If you want to know why they chose just J, C, and K, I think it's safe to say it's something close to what doormat said above me. |
PrincipiaAmorisJul 9, 2022 5:34 PM
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| While I have no interest at all in Chinese series, all this "Chinese cartoons should be removed from MAL" sounds to me like another case of the this-is-not-for-me-so-it-shouldn't-exist mentality. People seem to think that because it's on MAL it's mandatory to watch it or something. Or is it that it takes space on their screens? In any case, the solution is just to filter those out (like you can filter out hentai or kids' shows) using this option:  |
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| Something about their definition being animated series aimed at an east asian audience where what we consider anime in the west comes from. Personally I don't mind that definition but down the line as disney and netflix get their grubby hands on the industry more they may have to change haha Mean that light-hearted btw not in the east vs west way, even I get tired of those arguments |
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Tirinchas said: While I have no interest at all in Chinese series, all this "Chinese cartoons should be removed from MAL" sounds to me like another case of the this-is-not-for-me-so-it-shouldn't-exist mentality. People seem to think that because it's on MAL it's mandatory to watch it or something. Or is it that it takes space on their screens? And if Chinese cartoons are removed from MAL, those who like them will still be allowed to watch them. I didn't insist on adding Adventure Time to the database when I watched it in 2021. |
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