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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- Jesus Christ, Usagi is batshit insane. An abomination of a character to even exist in their world imo. I gotta give the Ox guy some credit for holding his own and not backing off though. Oh Nezumi...I feel like this guy is in the wrong show. |
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| I did not expect Rat to have an ability like that, like wow that was surprising O_O I kinda wish that I had that ability myself lol Now that it's all over, I have no idea what's gonna happen in the final episode but I hope that we get to see his wish and that it'll be a good one (I kinda want Ox, Tiger, Boar and Monkey to be brought back to life) Overall, pretty good ep, and also RIP to my boy Ox, you're still the real MVP next to Tiger imo |
| Rabbit looked hideous in this episode. He had Monkey inside him. Rat won the juuni taisen. He has an interesting ability, it sounds pretty OP. He was running a lot of simulations in his head and just picked one where he wins. Sometimes he resets to a save point if he wants to try again. I'm curious what his wish is going to be. |
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| Wow, I was definitely not expecting the fight to end halfway through this episode... I would have thought right at the end of the episode at the earliest, so now I'm curious to see how they fill another episode. The first half with Usagi was a little disturbing O-o Wish we had more backstory to explain why he was so insane. Hmmm, so I guess when I predicted back in the episode 2 or 3 discussion that Nezumi's power somehow made him extremely numerous, I wasn't entirely wrong... it just wasn't at all how I expected. Being able to try approaching a situation 100 different ways simultaneously and pick the one that works the best would be a really handy ability. |
| "EVERYBODY, CLAP YOUR HANDS!" "PLUS ULTRA!" |
| everything with nezumi is just so good. pretty cool ep. good that he can lock in the check point manually unlike re-zero. would be funny if everytime nezumi die, he needs to reset the whole juuni taisen again lol |
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| That's fucking broken LOL. Rat's awesome, his personality as well as his power. |
| Why it looks like in the next episode they try to kill Nezumi? I wonder why they want him dead |
| So they combined chapters 11 and 12 in 1 episode so I presume the last episode will be based on Dōshitemo Kanaetai Tatta Hitotsu no Negai to Wari to Sōdemonai 99 no Negai, which is the one-shot manga Nisioisin wrote and supposedly subsequent to the novel. Can't wait. And I kind of didn't like how they presented Nezumi's ability in the anime. Now people think he creates simulation in his head instead of actually experiencing those paths/realities and discarding them if it isn't to his liking. That's why he's tired all the time, because he's experiencing 100 scenarios at the same time. That's why the other characters feel that they've met him or heard his voice somewhere, because Nezumi has either worked with them or spoke with them in the other discarded paths/realities. Also, since they kind of rushed things in 1 episode, they failed to show a glimpse of Ox's background, which in the novel isn't much, but for those curious... And Rat? Not sure if they'll show Rat's background in the next episode so I'll keep my fingers crossed for now. |
staraniseDec 12, 2017 9:53 AM
| I legit made a theory about that shit. I knew there was something up with the Rat and time travel or something. I wonder what the next episode will be about, since they pretty much ended it there. I would actually like to see all the other 99 wars, but oh well. Great show imo. |
| despite them not giving Ox's backstory (which was disappointing as hell), I loved the episode really wonder what will happen in the final episode, since this week's episode was where the light novel ended as well |
phantomfandom said: What show in this episode may just be one of 99 possibilities but not true route, the true route might be the next episode, this is just my guess (I also guess loop time plot in episode 4 discussion thread https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1676807&show=50#post85 ) . We don't know the story behind Rabbit yet, that might be in the true route, and the story behind the Rat himself. Look like there's something more to Rat's ability, and he use his ability to investigate Juuni Taisen organization Except there's no time loop involved? Nezumi experiences all 100 possibilities simultaneously and he chooses 1 he wants to become a reality. That's why he's asleep most of the time because experiencing 100 potential realities can be pretty exhausting. The simplest example is as explained in the novel: if he were playing rock-paper-scissors, he could throw rock, paper, and scissors at the same time. Should he settle on rock, then reality acts as if he never tried paper or scissors. (Just adding more to help you understand Nezumi's ability, and I don't think this counts as a spoiler since his ability has already been revealed. This is from the novel.) 'If you considered the power as predicting the future one hundred different ways and then selecting one of them, you’d be fairly close, but for two major differences: the predictions are based on actions of his choosing, and he experiences every one. If time is like a flowchart, he can test one hundred of its forked paths, then choose whichever route he likes the best. This may seem a bit like cheating, but most paths end up being largely similar, and simultaneously experiencing one hundred potential realities comes with a heavy mental burden—in other words,it’s exhausting.' Oh, and the last episode would most likely be based on Dōshitemo Kanaetai Tatta Hitotsu no Negai to Wari to Sōdemonai 99 no Negai, the one-shot manga Nisioisin wrote and was published before the light novel but is actually a continuation of the novel. |
staraniseDec 12, 2017 10:38 AM
| so thats why Rat is familiar to all the other warriors because in a parallel timeline/universe they already know him lol what an awesome power he has though to test 100 possibilities/future timelines at once |
phantomfandom said: That's why I said there's something more to his ability. Other zodiacs seem to think they've seen him before, but their memory is not clear. The reason why the others seem to have some sense of deja vu when they see or hear Nezumi is because he has either worked with them, encountered them or spoke to them in the other 99 realities/possibilities he has discarded. As it was written in the novel: 'The discarded paths are remembered only by him (with some exceptions), but he doesn’t have perfect recall—one hundred different experiences make for too much to retain completely.' The 'with some exceptions' part refers to the other warriors who seem to remember him from the discarded realities. |
| Rabbit, Monkey and Ox were done away with fast... not that I didn't expect it, I guess I've gotten used to fast and kinda anticlimactic deaths by now. Aw, Rat won. Good. He's a guy very easy to root for, perhaps even easiest because of how he's neither particularly good nor bad, or insane or bloodthirsty or burdened with complicated pasts, ideals and whatnot. He looks truly neutral. His ability is straight from All You Need Is Kill/Edge of Tomorrow - an ability of a strategist rather than a warrior, but that's what makes it cool. Aaand, this is not finished yet, he's not completely safe yet. I hope he doesn't get killed by those scumbag organizers. |
| ったく、嫌な世の中だよ。 |
| Hmmm...I wonder if Ox figured out Rat's ability at the end, since he said "I feel like I saw him before. I believe -" |
| loved this episode. Ox speaks too much :'D since it's a common thing in this anime, I kept waiting for the the ubw-Shinji-Matou-bulk to finish him but thank god it wasn't Rabbit who did it. Rat's ability has been hinted at a few times, it was no surprise to me. sounds kinda OP even though he does experience all the routes himself. is there any limit to that? like in Sakurada Reset you couldn't "save" for some time after resetting. I get it that his ability is not time travel but he's able to see the routes, choose the most suitable one, then he locks that one, and in the next situation he does the same thing. quite convenient I'd say. the moment with Rat dying inevitably after leaving the building was done pretty well, reminded me of Steins;Gate. really curious as to what's going to happen in the finale. P.S. no 'everybody, clap your hands' in the PV ;( |
demimondeDec 12, 2017 11:39 AM
phantomfandom said: staranise said: 'The discarded paths are remembered only by him (with some exceptions), but he doesn’t have perfect recall from what you describe it is more close to 'parallel timeloop' to me. But I understand that when mention timeloop most people will only think of linear timeloop like Re:Zero, Steins;Gate, Haruhi or Boku Dake (Erased). When you say time loop, I imagine something like Groundhog Days when the same scenario happens over and over and over with little changes. Nezumi's ability involves experiencing realities at the same time. He doesn't experience 1 scenario, discards it and experiences another, discards it again and chooses another route. All alternate realities happens at the same time. |
| Damn, I thought this show would just go downhill after the set up of "Background story = death" but this revelation of the Rat was really interesting, then this could mean that the Rat wanted them to die fast? if this is true, then that could answer why almost everyone died stupidly. PD: I wonder how the fights looked on those other 100 routes he experienced |
| "We could make the world better, but it's easier to just shut our eyes." ~Blackwall |
| Only one episode left. Now that the Juuni Taisen is over I wonder how they will end this series and what Rat's wish will be. |
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| I didn't expected the episode to conclude the Juuni Taisen, but, well, the episode has responded some of the doubts we had in the previous episodes, like why everyone seemed know Rat in the past when he was a nobody or why many of the skilled fighters of the tournament commited such stupid mistakes (since that was the only way someone like Rat could have won the tournament, since even when he won, it was thanks to Monkey). Rat's ability could sound awesome in paper, but that thing of dying 99 times to achieve a route when he could have won the Juuni Taisen sounds horrible. It's like Subaru's ability in Re: Zero, but more dangerous (since with this, you know you are done if there is no path who can save you). I wonder how he can retain his sanity after all the horrible stuff he had to live. Even though I liked Ox more, and I would have liked to see his past, I'm fine with his ending. There was no way he could have won against Rabbit + Monkey and did a good job in the tournament, being one of the last survivors. Nisio did justice to my sign at the end. Rest in Peace, you magnificent warrior. Respecting Rabbit, he died (for good) like how he lived, as a creepy son of a bitch. At the end, as I though at the beginning of the series, Nisio pulled a Katanagatari (AKA 90% talk, 10% action). I'm not even surprised. I wonder how this is going to end, I guess they are going to show what happened to Rat after the ending of the Juuni Taisen. |
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| I'm kind of glad that Boar died first because if you think about it.. she's basically Gilgamesh from F/Z with that overpowered gun of hers. Imo, the best characters were Chicken, Monkey, and Tiger. All the guys sucked. Symbolism of Zodiacs: Snake: Rebirth, transformation, immortality, and healing due to the shedding of their skin. Also known as a "creative life force." Boar: Defense, war, courage. Dog: Guidance, protection, loyalty, faithfulness. Chicken: A symbol of parental and spiritual love Monkey: Tails represent tools of balance and control. Sheep: Renewal, purification, compassion. Horse: A universal symbol of freedom without restraint. Dragon: Chinese dragons traditionally symbolize potent and auspicious powers, particularly control over water, rainfall, typhoons, and floods. Rabbit: Symbolic rabbit meanings deal primarily with abundance, comfort, and vulnerability. Traditionally, rabbits are associated with fertility, sentiment, desire, and procreation. Tiger: Patience. Fiery strength of will. Greatest potential. Ox: Often a symbol of power. The irony of their deaths: Snake: He is still killing people even after his death, hence the "creativeness" and "rebirth." Boar: Her arrogance (or twisted form of "courage") did her in. Dog: He was too trusting of Chicken. Chicken: She let her birds eat her, hence the "parental love" part. Monkey: Her personality is all about peace or "control." She died because she couldn't control Rabbit/get through to him/figure him out. Everything was out of control for her. Sheep: This one is kind of a stretch, but he was old, so I guess that figures on the "renewal" part. Either that, or his "compassion" for replacing his son in the war ended up killing him. Horse: He died in a barricaded room with no escape. Dragon: Liquid nitrogen. Pretty obvious symbolism there. Rabbit: It took group effort and group thinking to finally bring him down. Tiger: She threw away her potential to win the whole thing. It was also ironic that she lived the life of a drunk with no patience or determination/will to do anything. Ox: He was overpowered by Rabbit. |
ZelevDec 12, 2017 12:02 PM
 Three things cannot be long hidden.. ...the s u n, the m oo n, and the tr u th. |
| So....that was okay I guess but I'm betting on the "Everybody Dies At The End" route for the finale. |
| Don't believe the hype. |
| Rat has one crazy power. No wonder he won. I'm intrigued about what his wish will be. |
| "Perhaps there is a universal, absolute truth. Perhaps it justifies every question. But that's beyond the reach of these small hands." Mamoru Oshii There is a cult of ignorance (...) nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that “my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.” Isaac Asimov |
| Damn Rat's power is crazy, but man that could be pretty useful in real life. I guess that also explains why all the other warriors kept saying he seemed familiar. I wasn't expecting everything to end in this episode, so it should be interesting to see what goes down in next week's finale. Also, it seems like Ox does remember meeting Tiger before, I guess he just didn't realize they were the same person. |
| People on MAL refuse to actually enjoy watching anime. Your taste in anime isn't a personality trait. |
| I've long wanted Rat's ability in real life man. Would be so convenient |
| ok that was something...I really liked rat power...explains how he was so lucky...guy had lived it sixty times....ok I am satisfied...I really want to know his wish |
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| Rat cheated!! That was a pretty good end to the war, everything laid out clearly almost like a recap. Rat's power is pretty cool and explains why he was able to avoid dying for so long. I hope his wish will be interesting given how carefully he can consider his choice. |
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| I'm not even mad at how the Juuni Taisen ended up. Even without the spoilerish ED, it was easy for me to guess at episode 1 that Rat would win. I did have expectations of more action packed fights but the way they were handled in the anime felt strangely more realistic. I'm looking forward to see how everything wraps up next episode! |
| All that's left to do now is wish everybody except usagi back to life😂😅😭 |
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| Nezumi was my favourite from the get-go, and he ends up as some Mad strategist. Now time for shokugeki no souma ✌ |
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| what an absolutely amazing reveal. love the character of rat. it all makes so much sense now. this single episode bumps my rating for this show up one digit. lets see, maybe the last episode will have even more great stuff coming for us. |
| Objectivity doesn't exist. Subjectivity is an excuse. Beautiful world of online discourse. |
thebrentinator24 said: Damn Rat's power is crazy, but man that could be pretty useful in real life. Yeah... like asking a girl to go on a date 100 times and she declines every single time. |
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