My Youth Romantic Comedy Is Wrong, As I Expected (light novel)
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Jun 27, 2017 11:48 PM
#401
Farabeuf said: why cant hachiman let people solve there own problems ????? He acts like there babysittersSparteh said: Overall nice episode. BUT any other LN reader thinks that these 2 episodes were quite rushed? Somewhat. They leave out a lot of Hachiman's monologues amongst other things. I was hoping that they wouldn't stick to the 2 episodes per book of the first season. I'm still holding out hope that they will give volumes 8 or 9 more than episodes each. There's just so much material there to cover ( and very important at that). If they keep to the 2 episodes per volume, they're going to have to adapt some of the stuff from the .5 voumes in order to get to the usual 12,13 episodes in a cour. |
Oct 9, 2017 7:11 PM
#402
I feel Hikkys methods were probably the best way to deal with that situation for everyone except for himself. It's pretty sad that he's willing to be so self destructive for their sake. I thought Yui was totally going to confess when she grabbed his sleeve, oh well, 8man is in love with Saika anyway <3 |
Feb 26, 2018 11:37 AM
#403
"Would it kill you to spare a thought for how someone feels?" What on earth is Yuigahama on about? Is she referring to her own feelings towards him? |
Apr 1, 2018 4:43 PM
#404
Throughout season one I liked Yui, but was firmly on the Hachi x Yukino ship (although not expecting much progress for them in that season) Now after this episode I'm still on the same ship, but Yui's is right alongside it. In a way it keeps me fully invested, but in another it's easier on the feels to have only one favourite |
Mar 19, 2019 8:15 AM
#407
This episode is full of FEELS AND SADNESS... i get where all the characters are wanting to. In the end Hikki is the one who has been rejected so that everyone can be saved, restore or maintain their friendship. I salute him for that as HE IS SACRIFICING HIMSELF for the others wherein they are not his friends at all... But now on side of Yui and Yukinon, they are sad and dismayed on how hikki are handling things. Its a Harsh one that to save anyone or to prevent any conflicts or fight he is the one who is receiving all the damage. As their friend they cant tolerate that one. Lets see how this will go.. |
FouAlterMar 19, 2019 8:26 AM
Apr 2, 2019 7:35 AM
#408
It tee bit exaggerated me think. Whats damage does 8man inflicted to himself? The confession isnt serious, he knows it, almost everyone involve know that. This just over the top teen drama. |
Apr 2, 2019 1:12 PM
#409
Pretty great episode, I loved the more serious tone and how things were wrapped up. Furthermore, for once I really digged the theme of an arc and the whole scenario even hit a bit close to home. |
One Piece episode 914 & 915 & 1027 were a mistake and 957 brought the salvation - FMmatron |
Jun 4, 2019 1:02 AM
#410
First of all sorry for resurrecting most likely a dead thread but after reading the first two pages it appears all the people in these comments missed what I picked up watching this amazing anime. At 14:14 they knew he was going to wrap up the situation but did it in a way they didn't expect at all because they still had hope while it would be in a way they may disagree with, it wouldn't be the nuclear strike he used. His means usually hurts himself with the others being hurt for him when it happens, this time he hurt them on a relationship level as well. At 15:45 he goes in and shocked everyone with a "confession", keep this part in mind. He does this so convincingly that Tobe (15:49), Yuki (17:23 but note what she states frustration and at 17:30 anger, which shows something he pointed in the past, you have to be close to argue), and Yui (18:13 she was shocked because she believed it momentarily, 18:30 she asks him not to do it again, and 19:17 she lays it out that he hurt her though she cloaks it as hurting others who cares about him) believes it because it impacted them. This episode is maybe more subtle and deeper than all the prior episodes of how 8man relationship is evolving with the two main female mc. The two girls obviously have a degree of how much they like 8man, Yuki likes him subconsciously and couldn't understand why this "confession" bugged her, and Yui has shown several times in past episodes she does actually like him but I think she's still confused to what level as well (more than Yuki at this point). Of course Yui might have confessed to 8man on the fireworks episode if it wasn't for a phone call she answered from her mother. Of course as we watch later episodes this becomes more obvious. |
Jun 5, 2019 10:26 PM
#411
We're just two episode in and we already in some deep drama. I never noticed about Ebina up until this episode. She's always the type of person who prefers her hobby(Fujioshi) and friends rather than entering a deep relationship. As usual, Hachiman is taking the heat. Damn, this guy just doesn't give a fuck XD Next one! |
Jan 6, 2020 2:57 AM
#412
-Stray said: How do his methods hurt him, since he doesn't feel any pain (as he mentioned when sensei told him that he shouldn't hurt himself)? Can you elaborate so that I can understand? Thanks in advance :)Elegade said: I don't understand why Yui and Yukinoshita we're dissapointed at Hikigaya. Is it the fact that he took action without discussing it with Yui and Yukinoshita, or they're both hurt because Hikigaya "confessed." I'm really slow when it comes to these kind of things so I don't really get subtle hints. They arent disappointed, infact they think his way of doing things are quite accurate, its HOW he does things that both of them doesnt like since it hurts him thus them getting hurt as well since they like him. |
Jan 13, 2020 5:07 AM
#413
hikkiGOAT said: -Stray said: How do his methods hurt him, since he doesn't feel any pain (as he mentioned when sensei told him that he shouldn't hurt himself)? Can you elaborate so that I can understand? Thanks in advance :)Elegade said: I don't understand why Yui and Yukinoshita we're dissapointed at Hikigaya. Is it the fact that he took action without discussing it with Yui and Yukinoshita, or they're both hurt because Hikigaya "confessed." I'm really slow when it comes to these kind of things so I don't really get subtle hints. They arent disappointed, infact they think his way of doing things are quite accurate, its HOW he does things that both of them doesnt like since it hurts him thus them getting hurt as well since they like him. It's one of the things he lied about this episode, and is what he was really talking about when he called himself the biggest liar. There's been hints throughout that his reputation does harm him deep down. He's trying but not succeeding to truly let those feelings bounce off of him. At the very least, Yukino & Yui don't like to see him commit social suicide like that because it would hurt them. With that their sympathy could be hurting them to watch him do that. However, since he basically asked for the go-ahead before performing the "confession", I wouldn't be surprised if if was really something else they didn't like about all of that. |
Jan 13, 2020 5:54 AM
#414
TK8878 said: hikkiGOAT said: -Stray said: Elegade said: I don't understand why Yui and Yukinoshita we're dissapointed at Hikigaya. Is it the fact that he took action without discussing it with Yui and Yukinoshita, or they're both hurt because Hikigaya "confessed." I'm really slow when it comes to these kind of things so I don't really get subtle hints. They arent disappointed, infact they think his way of doing things are quite accurate, its HOW he does things that both of them doesnt like since it hurts him thus them getting hurt as well since they like him. It's one of the things he lied about this episode, and is what he was really talking about when he called himself the biggest liar. How did you deduce that when he says he is the biggest liar of them all. I interpreted this as he was talking how he hates superficiality yet he maintained quo of that group an that's why he called himself the biggest liar. I am curious as to how you jumped to this conclusion? One another proof of my interpretation is the parallelism that was being shown during his this monologue, he says people hide the truth to protect something that is so dear to them, so everyone lies, and hence I am the biggest lier of them all. So can you please tell me how you jumped to this conclusion? |
Jan 13, 2020 6:18 AM
#415
hikkiGOAT said: TK8878 said: hikkiGOAT said: -Stray said: How do his methods hurt him, since he doesn't feel any pain (as he mentioned when sensei told him that he shouldn't hurt himself)? Can you elaborate so that I can understand? Thanks in advance :)Elegade said: I don't understand why Yui and Yukinoshita we're dissapointed at Hikigaya. Is it the fact that he took action without discussing it with Yui and Yukinoshita, or they're both hurt because Hikigaya "confessed." I'm really slow when it comes to these kind of things so I don't really get subtle hints. They arent disappointed, infact they think his way of doing things are quite accurate, its HOW he does things that both of them doesnt like since it hurts him thus them getting hurt as well since they like him. It's one of the things he lied about this episode, and is what he was really talking about when he called himself the biggest liar. How did you deduce that when he says he is the biggest liar of them all. I interpreted this as he was talking how he hates superficiality yet he maintained quo of that group an that's why he called himself the biggest liar. I am curious as to how you jumped to this conclusion? One another proof of my interpretation is the parallelism that was being shown during his this monologue, he says people hide the truth to protect something that is so dear to them, so everyone lies, and hence I am the biggest lier of them all. So can you please tell me how you jumped to this conclusion? I might be getting this wrong, but are you saying that lied to protect something that wasn't dear to him (the social status quo) despite what he said? Or is the service club that dear to him? Anyhow, my conclusion was not a "jump" but rather based on the narrative structure of the last scene. That final monologue was prefaced with Ebina & Hikigaya conversing about their traits and only finding similarities. Ebina would state a trait, and Hikigaya would concur regarding himself. The last thing mentioned by Ebina was that because of all of her traits, she hates herself. She then walks off, but Hikigaya's monologue is framed as his last response. I don't believe that Hikigaya holds those classmates, his relations to them, or even the service club as "dear to him". It's all something he does because he has to, whether he particularly minds or not. His confession lie was done to protect things that others held dear, not him. The one thing I can think of in this situation that Hikigaya holds dear and would need to protect is his self-proclaimed loner status, the idea that he does not need a group to belong to. In lying to himself that his social position doesn't matter to him, he can pull stunts like the fake confession. There is a paradox in how he commits social suicide more than once to fulfill his promises to those same others he apparently doesn't care about, and the service club where he does all he can to keep to himself. He does care, but admitting to it would render his worldview invalid (or so I would conclude from this point having not watched or read further). I don't imagine he would call himself the biggest liar if he was lying to protect things he didn't care about, because that would be the end of it for him while everyone else continues lying about it. |
Jan 13, 2020 7:25 PM
#416
TK8878 said: hikkiGOAT said: TK8878 said: hikkiGOAT said: -Stray said: How do his methods hurt him, since he doesn't feel any pain (as he mentioned when sensei told him that he shouldn't hurt himself)? Can you elaborate so that I can understand? Thanks in advance :)Elegade said: I don't understand why Yui and Yukinoshita we're dissapointed at Hikigaya. Is it the fact that he took action without discussing it with Yui and Yukinoshita, or they're both hurt because Hikigaya "confessed." I'm really slow when it comes to these kind of things so I don't really get subtle hints. They arent disappointed, infact they think his way of doing things are quite accurate, its HOW he does things that both of them doesnt like since it hurts him thus them getting hurt as well since they like him. It's one of the things he lied about this episode, and is what he was really talking about when he called himself the biggest liar. How did you deduce that when he says he is the biggest liar of them all. I interpreted this as he was talking how he hates superficiality yet he maintained quo of that group an that's why he called himself the biggest liar. I am curious as to how you jumped to this conclusion? One another proof of my interpretation is the parallelism that was being shown during his this monologue, he says people hide the truth to protect something that is so dear to them, so everyone lies, and hence I am the biggest lier of them all. So can you please tell me how you jumped to this conclusion? I might be getting this wrong, but are you saying that lied to protect something that wasn't dear to him (the social status quo) despite what he said? Or is the service club that dear to him? Anyhow, my conclusion was not a "jump" but rather based on the narrative structure of the last scene. That final monologue was prefaced with Ebina & Hikigaya conversing about their traits and only finding similarities. Ebina would state a trait, and Hikigaya would concur regarding himself. The last thing mentioned by Ebina was that because of all of her traits, she hates herself. She then walks off, but Hikigaya's monologue is framed as his last response. I don't believe that Hikigaya holds those classmates, his relations to them, or even the service club as "dear to him". It's all something he does because he has to, whether he particularly minds or not. His confession lie was done to protect things that others held dear, not him. The one thing I can think of in this situation that Hikigaya holds dear and would need to protect is his self-proclaimed loner status, the idea that he does not need a group to belong to. In lying to himself that his social position doesn't matter to him, he can pull stunts like the fake confession. There is a paradox in how he commits social suicide more than once to fulfill his promises to those same others he apparently doesn't care about, and the service club where he does all he can to keep to himself. He does care, but admitting to it would render his worldview invalid (or so I would conclude from this point having not watched or read further). I don't imagine he would call himself the biggest liar if he was lying to protect things he didn't care about, because that would be the end of it for him while everyone else continues lying about it. Yes, your conclusion might be true that all he was doing was simply trying to act cool, sticking to his ideals. My conclusion was rather simple and that is: he said he hates superficiality and still he backed that superficiality which I think he did because he somehow empathized with Hyama and his group and was afraid what would he do if the same would happen to his group. Couple with the fact that Yui was finding the perfect moment to confess. Anyways, as you know there are sets of ideals/beliefs Hikki holds (like he does not need anyone, he is all good being a loner), what do you think Yukino beliefs/ideals are? And why did Sensei said she wants Hikigaya to break through her shell (I am sure what did she mean when she says 'shell')? I believe shell is the same as her ideal. |
Jan 14, 2020 10:46 AM
#417
hikkiGOAT said: TK8878 said: hikkiGOAT said: TK8878 said: hikkiGOAT said: -Stray said: How do his methods hurt him, since he doesn't feel any pain (as he mentioned when sensei told him that he shouldn't hurt himself)? Can you elaborate so that I can understand? Thanks in advance :)Elegade said: I don't understand why Yui and Yukinoshita we're dissapointed at Hikigaya. Is it the fact that he took action without discussing it with Yui and Yukinoshita, or they're both hurt because Hikigaya "confessed." I'm really slow when it comes to these kind of things so I don't really get subtle hints. They arent disappointed, infact they think his way of doing things are quite accurate, its HOW he does things that both of them doesnt like since it hurts him thus them getting hurt as well since they like him. It's one of the things he lied about this episode, and is what he was really talking about when he called himself the biggest liar. How did you deduce that when he says he is the biggest liar of them all. I interpreted this as he was talking how he hates superficiality yet he maintained quo of that group an that's why he called himself the biggest liar. I am curious as to how you jumped to this conclusion? One another proof of my interpretation is the parallelism that was being shown during his this monologue, he says people hide the truth to protect something that is so dear to them, so everyone lies, and hence I am the biggest lier of them all. So can you please tell me how you jumped to this conclusion? I might be getting this wrong, but are you saying that lied to protect something that wasn't dear to him (the social status quo) despite what he said? Or is the service club that dear to him? Anyhow, my conclusion was not a "jump" but rather based on the narrative structure of the last scene. That final monologue was prefaced with Ebina & Hikigaya conversing about their traits and only finding similarities. Ebina would state a trait, and Hikigaya would concur regarding himself. The last thing mentioned by Ebina was that because of all of her traits, she hates herself. She then walks off, but Hikigaya's monologue is framed as his last response. I don't believe that Hikigaya holds those classmates, his relations to them, or even the service club as "dear to him". It's all something he does because he has to, whether he particularly minds or not. His confession lie was done to protect things that others held dear, not him. The one thing I can think of in this situation that Hikigaya holds dear and would need to protect is his self-proclaimed loner status, the idea that he does not need a group to belong to. In lying to himself that his social position doesn't matter to him, he can pull stunts like the fake confession. There is a paradox in how he commits social suicide more than once to fulfill his promises to those same others he apparently doesn't care about, and the service club where he does all he can to keep to himself. He does care, but admitting to it would render his worldview invalid (or so I would conclude from this point having not watched or read further). I don't imagine he would call himself the biggest liar if he was lying to protect things he didn't care about, because that would be the end of it for him while everyone else continues lying about it. Yes, your conclusion might be true that all he was doing was simply trying to act cool, sticking to his ideals. My conclusion was rather simple and that is: he said he hates superficiality and still he backed that superficiality which I think he did because he somehow empathized with Hyama and his group and was afraid what would he do if the same would happen to his group. Couple with the fact that Yui was finding the perfect moment to confess. Anyways, as you know there are sets of ideals/beliefs Hikki holds (like he does not need anyone, he is all good being a loner), what do you think Yukino beliefs/ideals are? And why did Sensei said she wants Hikigaya to break through her shell (I am sure what did she mean when she says 'shell')? I believe shell is the same as her ideal. I don't know where you got the "trying to act cool" notion from my post. After all, he claims to not care. My conclusion at this point is that he's consciously finding flaws in his narrative, and is subconsciously denying his observations so that he doesn't have to confront himself over it. He's forcing himself to not question his ideals. I think I understand where you're coming from better though. He would want to deal with the teen drama that comes with romantic tension less than he wants to deal with people to begin with, so the status quo works better for him too. It plays off of his relation with Yui as well (something else which he has been denying himself over). While I believe his "biggest liar" statement was referring to something deeper than just his current situation, I agree that this is something he lied about and is struggling with internally. I don't have as much of a grasp on Yukino's mindset, but from what I can gather the sensei believes that Hikigaya & Yukino interacting with each other will help each of them see the flaws in their narratives. Yeah, Yukino's shell is probably related to her ideals. From what I can tell, Yukino believes that she is overall better than the overwhelming majority of people, and therefore must help them. Sensei probably saw that Hikigaya's opposition to being helped by others and lack of care for the social repercussions of his actions would highlight the issues with Yukino's beliefs (while Hikigaya being made to experience and associate with a group long-term would give him a wiser perspective). As for why, I wouldn't put it beyond her just being a decent teacher and seeing this as a natural extension of her duties as one. |
Jan 14, 2020 9:04 PM
#418
TK8878 said: hikkiGOAT said: TK8878 said: hikkiGOAT said: TK8878 said: hikkiGOAT said: -Stray said: How do his methods hurt him, since he doesn't feel any pain (as he mentioned when sensei told him that he shouldn't hurt himself)? Can you elaborate so that I can understand? Thanks in advance :)Elegade said: I don't understand why Yui and Yukinoshita we're dissapointed at Hikigaya. Is it the fact that he took action without discussing it with Yui and Yukinoshita, or they're both hurt because Hikigaya "confessed." I'm really slow when it comes to these kind of things so I don't really get subtle hints. They arent disappointed, infact they think his way of doing things are quite accurate, its HOW he does things that both of them doesnt like since it hurts him thus them getting hurt as well since they like him. It's one of the things he lied about this episode, and is what he was really talking about when he called himself the biggest liar. How did you deduce that when he says he is the biggest liar of them all. I interpreted this as he was talking how he hates superficiality yet he maintained quo of that group an that's why he called himself the biggest liar. I am curious as to how you jumped to this conclusion? One another proof of my interpretation is the parallelism that was being shown during his this monologue, he says people hide the truth to protect something that is so dear to them, so everyone lies, and hence I am the biggest lier of them all. So can you please tell me how you jumped to this conclusion? I might be getting this wrong, but are you saying that lied to protect something that wasn't dear to him (the social status quo) despite what he said? Or is the service club that dear to him? Anyhow, my conclusion was not a "jump" but rather based on the narrative structure of the last scene. That final monologue was prefaced with Ebina & Hikigaya conversing about their traits and only finding similarities. Ebina would state a trait, and Hikigaya would concur regarding himself. The last thing mentioned by Ebina was that because of all of her traits, she hates herself. She then walks off, but Hikigaya's monologue is framed as his last response. I don't believe that Hikigaya holds those classmates, his relations to them, or even the service club as "dear to him". It's all something he does because he has to, whether he particularly minds or not. His confession lie was done to protect things that others held dear, not him. The one thing I can think of in this situation that Hikigaya holds dear and would need to protect is his self-proclaimed loner status, the idea that he does not need a group to belong to. In lying to himself that his social position doesn't matter to him, he can pull stunts like the fake confession. There is a paradox in how he commits social suicide more than once to fulfill his promises to those same others he apparently doesn't care about, and the service club where he does all he can to keep to himself. He does care, but admitting to it would render his worldview invalid (or so I would conclude from this point having not watched or read further). I don't imagine he would call himself the biggest liar if he was lying to protect things he didn't care about, because that would be the end of it for him while everyone else continues lying about it. Yes, your conclusion might be true that all he was doing was simply trying to act cool, sticking to his ideals. My conclusion was rather simple and that is: he said he hates superficiality and still he backed that superficiality which I think he did because he somehow empathized with Hyama and his group and was afraid what would he do if the same would happen to his group. Couple with the fact that Yui was finding the perfect moment to confess. Anyways, as you know there are sets of ideals/beliefs Hikki holds (like he does not need anyone, he is all good being a loner), what do you think Yukino beliefs/ideals are? And why did Sensei said she wants Hikigaya to break through her shell (I am sure what did she mean when she says 'shell')? I believe shell is the same as her ideal. I don't know where you got the "trying to act cool" notion from my post. After all, he claims to not care. My conclusion at this point is that he's consciously finding flaws in his narrative, and is subconsciously denying his observations so that he doesn't have to confront himself over it. He's forcing himself to not question his ideals. I think I understand where you're coming from better though. He would want to deal with the teen drama that comes with romantic tension less than he wants to deal with people to begin with, so the status quo works better for him too. It plays off of his relation with Yui as well (something else which he has been denying himself over). While I believe his "biggest liar" statement was referring to something deeper than just his current situation, I agree that this is something he lied about and is struggling with internally. I don't have as much of a grasp on Yukino's mindset, but from what I can gather the sensei believes that Hikigaya & Yukino interacting with each other will help each of them see the flaws in their narratives. Yeah, Yukino's shell is probably related to her ideals. From what I can tell, Yukino believes that she is overall better than the overwhelming majority of people, and therefore must help them. Sensei probably saw that Hikigaya's opposition to being helped by others and lack of care for the social repercussions of his actions would highlight the issues with Yukino's beliefs (while Hikigaya being made to experience and associate with a group long-term would give him a wiser perspective). As for why, I wouldn't put it beyond her just being a decent teacher and seeing this as a natural extension of her duties as one. Trying to act cool is one of his beliefs in my opinion. He pretends that he is not hurting and always try to act cool as if doesn't need anyone. Yes, I think Yukino's cold nature and driving people away from her is her shells. Thats why Sensei wants Hikigaya to break her shells and try to make her understand she needs someone she can rely upon and can trust others and the same goes for Hikigaya with Yukino in his position this time. Btw have you read the LN? If yes, is it worth giving a try because S3 is on the clock so I am kinda confused as to what should do? Read LN or wait for S3 |
Jan 15, 2020 12:31 AM
#419
hikkiGOAT said: TK8878 said: hikkiGOAT said: TK8878 said: hikkiGOAT said: TK8878 said: hikkiGOAT said: -Stray said: How do his methods hurt him, since he doesn't feel any pain (as he mentioned when sensei told him that he shouldn't hurt himself)? Can you elaborate so that I can understand? Thanks in advance :)Elegade said: I don't understand why Yui and Yukinoshita we're dissapointed at Hikigaya. Is it the fact that he took action without discussing it with Yui and Yukinoshita, or they're both hurt because Hikigaya "confessed." I'm really slow when it comes to these kind of things so I don't really get subtle hints. They arent disappointed, infact they think his way of doing things are quite accurate, its HOW he does things that both of them doesnt like since it hurts him thus them getting hurt as well since they like him. It's one of the things he lied about this episode, and is what he was really talking about when he called himself the biggest liar. How did you deduce that when he says he is the biggest liar of them all. I interpreted this as he was talking how he hates superficiality yet he maintained quo of that group an that's why he called himself the biggest liar. I am curious as to how you jumped to this conclusion? One another proof of my interpretation is the parallelism that was being shown during his this monologue, he says people hide the truth to protect something that is so dear to them, so everyone lies, and hence I am the biggest lier of them all. So can you please tell me how you jumped to this conclusion? I might be getting this wrong, but are you saying that lied to protect something that wasn't dear to him (the social status quo) despite what he said? Or is the service club that dear to him? Anyhow, my conclusion was not a "jump" but rather based on the narrative structure of the last scene. That final monologue was prefaced with Ebina & Hikigaya conversing about their traits and only finding similarities. Ebina would state a trait, and Hikigaya would concur regarding himself. The last thing mentioned by Ebina was that because of all of her traits, she hates herself. She then walks off, but Hikigaya's monologue is framed as his last response. I don't believe that Hikigaya holds those classmates, his relations to them, or even the service club as "dear to him". It's all something he does because he has to, whether he particularly minds or not. His confession lie was done to protect things that others held dear, not him. The one thing I can think of in this situation that Hikigaya holds dear and would need to protect is his self-proclaimed loner status, the idea that he does not need a group to belong to. In lying to himself that his social position doesn't matter to him, he can pull stunts like the fake confession. There is a paradox in how he commits social suicide more than once to fulfill his promises to those same others he apparently doesn't care about, and the service club where he does all he can to keep to himself. He does care, but admitting to it would render his worldview invalid (or so I would conclude from this point having not watched or read further). I don't imagine he would call himself the biggest liar if he was lying to protect things he didn't care about, because that would be the end of it for him while everyone else continues lying about it. Yes, your conclusion might be true that all he was doing was simply trying to act cool, sticking to his ideals. My conclusion was rather simple and that is: he said he hates superficiality and still he backed that superficiality which I think he did because he somehow empathized with Hyama and his group and was afraid what would he do if the same would happen to his group. Couple with the fact that Yui was finding the perfect moment to confess. Anyways, as you know there are sets of ideals/beliefs Hikki holds (like he does not need anyone, he is all good being a loner), what do you think Yukino beliefs/ideals are? And why did Sensei said she wants Hikigaya to break through her shell (I am sure what did she mean when she says 'shell')? I believe shell is the same as her ideal. I don't know where you got the "trying to act cool" notion from my post. After all, he claims to not care. My conclusion at this point is that he's consciously finding flaws in his narrative, and is subconsciously denying his observations so that he doesn't have to confront himself over it. He's forcing himself to not question his ideals. I think I understand where you're coming from better though. He would want to deal with the teen drama that comes with romantic tension less than he wants to deal with people to begin with, so the status quo works better for him too. It plays off of his relation with Yui as well (something else which he has been denying himself over). While I believe his "biggest liar" statement was referring to something deeper than just his current situation, I agree that this is something he lied about and is struggling with internally. I don't have as much of a grasp on Yukino's mindset, but from what I can gather the sensei believes that Hikigaya & Yukino interacting with each other will help each of them see the flaws in their narratives. Yeah, Yukino's shell is probably related to her ideals. From what I can tell, Yukino believes that she is overall better than the overwhelming majority of people, and therefore must help them. Sensei probably saw that Hikigaya's opposition to being helped by others and lack of care for the social repercussions of his actions would highlight the issues with Yukino's beliefs (while Hikigaya being made to experience and associate with a group long-term would give him a wiser perspective). As for why, I wouldn't put it beyond her just being a decent teacher and seeing this as a natural extension of her duties as one. Trying to act cool is one of his beliefs in my opinion. He pretends that he is not hurting and always try to act cool as if doesn't need anyone. Yes, I think Yukino's cold nature and driving people away from her is her shells. Thats why Sensei wants Hikigaya to break her shells and try to make her understand she needs someone she can rely upon and can trust others and the same goes for Hikigaya with Yukino in his position this time. Btw have you read the LN? If yes, is it worth giving a try because S3 is on the clock so I am kinda confused as to what should do? Read LN or wait for S3 Ah, I see. I had a different interpretation of cool in mind, yours makes much more sense for this, for both Hikigaya & Yukino. I haven't read the LN, though unless you can read Japanese you're probably not going to be able to complete it before the third (final) season comes out anyways. Despite what MAL says it finished at volume 14 not that long ago, but translations for English never got past volume 11. To my knowledge there's volume 12 translations in Korean and Russian, but I haven't heard about anything past that. Season 3 only has 3 volumes to adapt from (12, 13, & 14) while seasons 1 & 2 adapted 6 & 5 volumes each, so it's doubtful that there will be anything substantial to adapt after season 3. |
Jan 15, 2020 12:38 AM
#420
TK8878 said: hikkiGOAT said: TK8878 said: hikkiGOAT said: TK8878 said: hikkiGOAT said: TK8878 said: hikkiGOAT said: -Stray said: How do his methods hurt him, since he doesn't feel any pain (as he mentioned when sensei told him that he shouldn't hurt himself)? Can you elaborate so that I can understand? Thanks in advance :)Elegade said: I don't understand why Yui and Yukinoshita we're dissapointed at Hikigaya. Is it the fact that he took action without discussing it with Yui and Yukinoshita, or they're both hurt because Hikigaya "confessed." I'm really slow when it comes to these kind of things so I don't really get subtle hints. They arent disappointed, infact they think his way of doing things are quite accurate, its HOW he does things that both of them doesnt like since it hurts him thus them getting hurt as well since they like him. It's one of the things he lied about this episode, and is what he was really talking about when he called himself the biggest liar. How did you deduce that when he says he is the biggest liar of them all. I interpreted this as he was talking how he hates superficiality yet he maintained quo of that group an that's why he called himself the biggest liar. I am curious as to how you jumped to this conclusion? One another proof of my interpretation is the parallelism that was being shown during his this monologue, he says people hide the truth to protect something that is so dear to them, so everyone lies, and hence I am the biggest lier of them all. So can you please tell me how you jumped to this conclusion? I might be getting this wrong, but are you saying that lied to protect something that wasn't dear to him (the social status quo) despite what he said? Or is the service club that dear to him? Anyhow, my conclusion was not a "jump" but rather based on the narrative structure of the last scene. That final monologue was prefaced with Ebina & Hikigaya conversing about their traits and only finding similarities. Ebina would state a trait, and Hikigaya would concur regarding himself. The last thing mentioned by Ebina was that because of all of her traits, she hates herself. She then walks off, but Hikigaya's monologue is framed as his last response. I don't believe that Hikigaya holds those classmates, his relations to them, or even the service club as "dear to him". It's all something he does because he has to, whether he particularly minds or not. His confession lie was done to protect things that others held dear, not him. The one thing I can think of in this situation that Hikigaya holds dear and would need to protect is his self-proclaimed loner status, the idea that he does not need a group to belong to. In lying to himself that his social position doesn't matter to him, he can pull stunts like the fake confession. There is a paradox in how he commits social suicide more than once to fulfill his promises to those same others he apparently doesn't care about, and the service club where he does all he can to keep to himself. He does care, but admitting to it would render his worldview invalid (or so I would conclude from this point having not watched or read further). I don't imagine he would call himself the biggest liar if he was lying to protect things he didn't care about, because that would be the end of it for him while everyone else continues lying about it. Yes, your conclusion might be true that all he was doing was simply trying to act cool, sticking to his ideals. My conclusion was rather simple and that is: he said he hates superficiality and still he backed that superficiality which I think he did because he somehow empathized with Hyama and his group and was afraid what would he do if the same would happen to his group. Couple with the fact that Yui was finding the perfect moment to confess. Anyways, as you know there are sets of ideals/beliefs Hikki holds (like he does not need anyone, he is all good being a loner), what do you think Yukino beliefs/ideals are? And why did Sensei said she wants Hikigaya to break through her shell (I am sure what did she mean when she says 'shell')? I believe shell is the same as her ideal. I don't know where you got the "trying to act cool" notion from my post. After all, he claims to not care. My conclusion at this point is that he's consciously finding flaws in his narrative, and is subconsciously denying his observations so that he doesn't have to confront himself over it. He's forcing himself to not question his ideals. I think I understand where you're coming from better though. He would want to deal with the teen drama that comes with romantic tension less than he wants to deal with people to begin with, so the status quo works better for him too. It plays off of his relation with Yui as well (something else which he has been denying himself over). While I believe his "biggest liar" statement was referring to something deeper than just his current situation, I agree that this is something he lied about and is struggling with internally. I don't have as much of a grasp on Yukino's mindset, but from what I can gather the sensei believes that Hikigaya & Yukino interacting with each other will help each of them see the flaws in their narratives. Yeah, Yukino's shell is probably related to her ideals. From what I can tell, Yukino believes that she is overall better than the overwhelming majority of people, and therefore must help them. Sensei probably saw that Hikigaya's opposition to being helped by others and lack of care for the social repercussions of his actions would highlight the issues with Yukino's beliefs (while Hikigaya being made to experience and associate with a group long-term would give him a wiser perspective). As for why, I wouldn't put it beyond her just being a decent teacher and seeing this as a natural extension of her duties as one. Trying to act cool is one of his beliefs in my opinion. He pretends that he is not hurting and always try to act cool as if doesn't need anyone. Yes, I think Yukino's cold nature and driving people away from her is her shells. Thats why Sensei wants Hikigaya to break her shells and try to make her understand she needs someone she can rely upon and can trust others and the same goes for Hikigaya with Yukino in his position this time. Btw have you read the LN? If yes, is it worth giving a try because S3 is on the clock so I am kinda confused as to what should do? Read LN or wait for S3 Ah, I see. I had a different interpretation of cool in mind, yours makes much more sense for this, for both Hikigaya & Yukino. I haven't read the LN, though unless you can read Japanese you're probably not going to be able to complete it before the third (final) season comes out anyways. Despite what MAL says it finished at volume 14 not that long ago, but translations for English never got past volume 11. To my knowledge there's volume 12 translations in Korean and Russian, but I haven't heard about anything past that. Season 3 only has 3 volumes to adapt from (12, 13, & 14) while seasons 1 & 2 adapted 6 & 5 volumes each, so it's doubtful that there will be anything substantial to adapt after season 3. I think I should wait for S3. And yes, that why S3 is going to be more detailed as its got only 3 volumes to cover. Must rewatch this now, everything seems vague and it leaves you doubting yourself. Don't you think the same? Its quite deep and intellectual at the same time. |
Jan 15, 2020 1:15 AM
#421
hikkiGOAT said: TK8878 said: hikkiGOAT said: TK8878 said: hikkiGOAT said: TK8878 said: hikkiGOAT said: TK8878 said: hikkiGOAT said: -Stray said: How do his methods hurt him, since he doesn't feel any pain (as he mentioned when sensei told him that he shouldn't hurt himself)? Can you elaborate so that I can understand? Thanks in advance :)Elegade said: I don't understand why Yui and Yukinoshita we're dissapointed at Hikigaya. Is it the fact that he took action without discussing it with Yui and Yukinoshita, or they're both hurt because Hikigaya "confessed." I'm really slow when it comes to these kind of things so I don't really get subtle hints. They arent disappointed, infact they think his way of doing things are quite accurate, its HOW he does things that both of them doesnt like since it hurts him thus them getting hurt as well since they like him. It's one of the things he lied about this episode, and is what he was really talking about when he called himself the biggest liar. How did you deduce that when he says he is the biggest liar of them all. I interpreted this as he was talking how he hates superficiality yet he maintained quo of that group an that's why he called himself the biggest liar. I am curious as to how you jumped to this conclusion? One another proof of my interpretation is the parallelism that was being shown during his this monologue, he says people hide the truth to protect something that is so dear to them, so everyone lies, and hence I am the biggest lier of them all. So can you please tell me how you jumped to this conclusion? I might be getting this wrong, but are you saying that lied to protect something that wasn't dear to him (the social status quo) despite what he said? Or is the service club that dear to him? Anyhow, my conclusion was not a "jump" but rather based on the narrative structure of the last scene. That final monologue was prefaced with Ebina & Hikigaya conversing about their traits and only finding similarities. Ebina would state a trait, and Hikigaya would concur regarding himself. The last thing mentioned by Ebina was that because of all of her traits, she hates herself. She then walks off, but Hikigaya's monologue is framed as his last response. I don't believe that Hikigaya holds those classmates, his relations to them, or even the service club as "dear to him". It's all something he does because he has to, whether he particularly minds or not. His confession lie was done to protect things that others held dear, not him. The one thing I can think of in this situation that Hikigaya holds dear and would need to protect is his self-proclaimed loner status, the idea that he does not need a group to belong to. In lying to himself that his social position doesn't matter to him, he can pull stunts like the fake confession. There is a paradox in how he commits social suicide more than once to fulfill his promises to those same others he apparently doesn't care about, and the service club where he does all he can to keep to himself. He does care, but admitting to it would render his worldview invalid (or so I would conclude from this point having not watched or read further). I don't imagine he would call himself the biggest liar if he was lying to protect things he didn't care about, because that would be the end of it for him while everyone else continues lying about it. Yes, your conclusion might be true that all he was doing was simply trying to act cool, sticking to his ideals. My conclusion was rather simple and that is: he said he hates superficiality and still he backed that superficiality which I think he did because he somehow empathized with Hyama and his group and was afraid what would he do if the same would happen to his group. Couple with the fact that Yui was finding the perfect moment to confess. Anyways, as you know there are sets of ideals/beliefs Hikki holds (like he does not need anyone, he is all good being a loner), what do you think Yukino beliefs/ideals are? And why did Sensei said she wants Hikigaya to break through her shell (I am sure what did she mean when she says 'shell')? I believe shell is the same as her ideal. I don't know where you got the "trying to act cool" notion from my post. After all, he claims to not care. My conclusion at this point is that he's consciously finding flaws in his narrative, and is subconsciously denying his observations so that he doesn't have to confront himself over it. He's forcing himself to not question his ideals. I think I understand where you're coming from better though. He would want to deal with the teen drama that comes with romantic tension less than he wants to deal with people to begin with, so the status quo works better for him too. It plays off of his relation with Yui as well (something else which he has been denying himself over). While I believe his "biggest liar" statement was referring to something deeper than just his current situation, I agree that this is something he lied about and is struggling with internally. I don't have as much of a grasp on Yukino's mindset, but from what I can gather the sensei believes that Hikigaya & Yukino interacting with each other will help each of them see the flaws in their narratives. Yeah, Yukino's shell is probably related to her ideals. From what I can tell, Yukino believes that she is overall better than the overwhelming majority of people, and therefore must help them. Sensei probably saw that Hikigaya's opposition to being helped by others and lack of care for the social repercussions of his actions would highlight the issues with Yukino's beliefs (while Hikigaya being made to experience and associate with a group long-term would give him a wiser perspective). As for why, I wouldn't put it beyond her just being a decent teacher and seeing this as a natural extension of her duties as one. Trying to act cool is one of his beliefs in my opinion. He pretends that he is not hurting and always try to act cool as if doesn't need anyone. Yes, I think Yukino's cold nature and driving people away from her is her shells. Thats why Sensei wants Hikigaya to break her shells and try to make her understand she needs someone she can rely upon and can trust others and the same goes for Hikigaya with Yukino in his position this time. Btw have you read the LN? If yes, is it worth giving a try because S3 is on the clock so I am kinda confused as to what should do? Read LN or wait for S3 Ah, I see. I had a different interpretation of cool in mind, yours makes much more sense for this, for both Hikigaya & Yukino. I haven't read the LN, though unless you can read Japanese you're probably not going to be able to complete it before the third (final) season comes out anyways. Despite what MAL says it finished at volume 14 not that long ago, but translations for English never got past volume 11. To my knowledge there's volume 12 translations in Korean and Russian, but I haven't heard about anything past that. Season 3 only has 3 volumes to adapt from (12, 13, & 14) while seasons 1 & 2 adapted 6 & 5 volumes each, so it's doubtful that there will be anything substantial to adapt after season 3. I think I should wait for S3. And yes, that why S3 is going to be more detailed as its got only 3 volumes to cover. Must rewatch this now, everything seems vague and it leaves you doubting yourself. Don't you think the same? Its quite deep and intellectual at the same time. It's definitely gotten the old gears turning for me. It will be interesting to have an ending that a lot of people don't know about yet due to the translation delays. Hopefully it will encourage more thought and discussion rather than digging for spoilers. |
Jan 15, 2020 3:14 AM
#422
TK8878 said: hikkiGOAT said: TK8878 said: hikkiGOAT said: TK8878 said: hikkiGOAT said: TK8878 said: hikkiGOAT said: TK8878 said: hikkiGOAT said: -Stray said: How do his methods hurt him, since he doesn't feel any pain (as he mentioned when sensei told him that he shouldn't hurt himself)? Can you elaborate so that I can understand? Thanks in advance :)Elegade said: I don't understand why Yui and Yukinoshita we're dissapointed at Hikigaya. Is it the fact that he took action without discussing it with Yui and Yukinoshita, or they're both hurt because Hikigaya "confessed." I'm really slow when it comes to these kind of things so I don't really get subtle hints. They arent disappointed, infact they think his way of doing things are quite accurate, its HOW he does things that both of them doesnt like since it hurts him thus them getting hurt as well since they like him. It's one of the things he lied about this episode, and is what he was really talking about when he called himself the biggest liar. How did you deduce that when he says he is the biggest liar of them all. I interpreted this as he was talking how he hates superficiality yet he maintained quo of that group an that's why he called himself the biggest liar. I am curious as to how you jumped to this conclusion? One another proof of my interpretation is the parallelism that was being shown during his this monologue, he says people hide the truth to protect something that is so dear to them, so everyone lies, and hence I am the biggest lier of them all. So can you please tell me how you jumped to this conclusion? I might be getting this wrong, but are you saying that lied to protect something that wasn't dear to him (the social status quo) despite what he said? Or is the service club that dear to him? Anyhow, my conclusion was not a "jump" but rather based on the narrative structure of the last scene. That final monologue was prefaced with Ebina & Hikigaya conversing about their traits and only finding similarities. Ebina would state a trait, and Hikigaya would concur regarding himself. The last thing mentioned by Ebina was that because of all of her traits, she hates herself. She then walks off, but Hikigaya's monologue is framed as his last response. I don't believe that Hikigaya holds those classmates, his relations to them, or even the service club as "dear to him". It's all something he does because he has to, whether he particularly minds or not. His confession lie was done to protect things that others held dear, not him. The one thing I can think of in this situation that Hikigaya holds dear and would need to protect is his self-proclaimed loner status, the idea that he does not need a group to belong to. In lying to himself that his social position doesn't matter to him, he can pull stunts like the fake confession. There is a paradox in how he commits social suicide more than once to fulfill his promises to those same others he apparently doesn't care about, and the service club where he does all he can to keep to himself. He does care, but admitting to it would render his worldview invalid (or so I would conclude from this point having not watched or read further). I don't imagine he would call himself the biggest liar if he was lying to protect things he didn't care about, because that would be the end of it for him while everyone else continues lying about it. Yes, your conclusion might be true that all he was doing was simply trying to act cool, sticking to his ideals. My conclusion was rather simple and that is: he said he hates superficiality and still he backed that superficiality which I think he did because he somehow empathized with Hyama and his group and was afraid what would he do if the same would happen to his group. Couple with the fact that Yui was finding the perfect moment to confess. Anyways, as you know there are sets of ideals/beliefs Hikki holds (like he does not need anyone, he is all good being a loner), what do you think Yukino beliefs/ideals are? And why did Sensei said she wants Hikigaya to break through her shell (I am sure what did she mean when she says 'shell')? I believe shell is the same as her ideal. I don't know where you got the "trying to act cool" notion from my post. After all, he claims to not care. My conclusion at this point is that he's consciously finding flaws in his narrative, and is subconsciously denying his observations so that he doesn't have to confront himself over it. He's forcing himself to not question his ideals. I think I understand where you're coming from better though. He would want to deal with the teen drama that comes with romantic tension less than he wants to deal with people to begin with, so the status quo works better for him too. It plays off of his relation with Yui as well (something else which he has been denying himself over). While I believe his "biggest liar" statement was referring to something deeper than just his current situation, I agree that this is something he lied about and is struggling with internally. I don't have as much of a grasp on Yukino's mindset, but from what I can gather the sensei believes that Hikigaya & Yukino interacting with each other will help each of them see the flaws in their narratives. Yeah, Yukino's shell is probably related to her ideals. From what I can tell, Yukino believes that she is overall better than the overwhelming majority of people, and therefore must help them. Sensei probably saw that Hikigaya's opposition to being helped by others and lack of care for the social repercussions of his actions would highlight the issues with Yukino's beliefs (while Hikigaya being made to experience and associate with a group long-term would give him a wiser perspective). As for why, I wouldn't put it beyond her just being a decent teacher and seeing this as a natural extension of her duties as one. Trying to act cool is one of his beliefs in my opinion. He pretends that he is not hurting and always try to act cool as if doesn't need anyone. Yes, I think Yukino's cold nature and driving people away from her is her shells. Thats why Sensei wants Hikigaya to break her shells and try to make her understand she needs someone she can rely upon and can trust others and the same goes for Hikigaya with Yukino in his position this time. Btw have you read the LN? If yes, is it worth giving a try because S3 is on the clock so I am kinda confused as to what should do? Read LN or wait for S3 Ah, I see. I had a different interpretation of cool in mind, yours makes much more sense for this, for both Hikigaya & Yukino. I haven't read the LN, though unless you can read Japanese you're probably not going to be able to complete it before the third (final) season comes out anyways. Despite what MAL says it finished at volume 14 not that long ago, but translations for English never got past volume 11. To my knowledge there's volume 12 translations in Korean and Russian, but I haven't heard about anything past that. Season 3 only has 3 volumes to adapt from (12, 13, & 14) while seasons 1 & 2 adapted 6 & 5 volumes each, so it's doubtful that there will be anything substantial to adapt after season 3. I think I should wait for S3. And yes, that why S3 is going to be more detailed as its got only 3 volumes to cover. Must rewatch this now, everything seems vague and it leaves you doubting yourself. Don't you think the same? Its quite deep and intellectual at the same time. It's definitely gotten the old gears turning for me. It will be interesting to have an ending that a lot of people don't know about yet due to the translation delays. Hopefully it will encourage more thought and discussion rather than digging for spoilers. Definitely agree with you but it seems improbable tbh |
Jan 18, 2020 8:36 PM
#423
Hachiman is such an amazing character; however, that is also the reason why he is so misunderstood by a lot of people; some cannot properly understand him and thus falsely snatch his philosophy. |
Jun 9, 2020 8:18 PM
#424
What an anticlimactic way to solve this request, huh? Ebina's answer was a "No" no matter who asked, according to her. And with that, Hayato's group who wanted this, will get a sense of normalcy again. But the problem is Hachiman had to throw himself under the bus even though he has no genuine interest in their little group. Hachiman's way of doing things, they wouldn't sit well with a fella like me, but I can't deny it does solve the problem. This is why Hachiman has to look within himself. You don't need to scapegoat yourself. I feel like Yukino is disappointed because she does care for Hachiman and it hurts to see the person you care about hurt themselves. I'm reminded of what Sensei said in the last season. Speaking of that, Yui is brought to tears (sheesh!). "How can you be so smart and yet not understand something simple? I never wanted to see something like that!" She does like Hachiman and wants to let him know that, so it hurts when you see your crush confess to someone else. Even if you know and say it's fake. But if she did that, wouldn't she be changing the group dynamic? Hm, no lie, but Ebina and Hachiman would make a nice couple. They're both smart, have a more cynical, jaded view on others, they know their shortcomings and love (and simultaneously loathe) themselves for it. She can't get close to anyone except him probably. I really do feel for both of them this episode, self-loathing (idk if it's more common in high school) ain't no joke. It seems like Hachiman himself still doesn’t care about himself and doesn't think what he thinks and feels matters. Maybe that's why he's the biggest liar of them all. He says he hates superficiality, but his actions aren't in alignment with how he feels |
Jun 14, 2020 10:18 PM
#425
The writing in this anime is just phenomenal. No matter how many times I watch this episode, it still gets me, beautifully crafted and amazing. Love this anime |
Jul 4, 2020 5:50 AM
#426
Shit. The title actually spoiled everything on here. Like, obviously man, Ebina was a maniac BL. She couldn't loved some boy normally, so her reason was understandable. The shocking moment was indeed the usual punchline from Hachiman, it really hurted some people. Obviously to the other two girls who felt like a trainwreck. Lmao, girls, you were all so wrong. Once again, like i said in the carnival fest arc, you were a real dude, Hachiman. I gave you a huge saluted. And thanks to the feel. that kept adaptating this normal Hachiman harsh way of solution. A liar man, with a wise decision. A lonely hero with all the negativity he packed. The real hero. Shit. Such an impressive continuations from my scepticsm in the previous comment. Great job, Oregairu! Ebina, really had a great personality. I never pinned her appearance much till this episode. Her shyness was great, actually i remembering that, and these design of her, was absolutely sooo kawaaii! That line had a no regret. So, yeah, need to see her crazy commentary on some moment later.... Okay, next episode. Finally, Komachi brought back some loss mood. Lol! |
badabassJul 4, 2020 6:07 AM
Hide and seek is the best offline games on this fatamorgana-called-world-thing. Please comment nicely. I am newbie here. I'm level on mal-badges. View my badges |
Jul 4, 2020 10:23 AM
#427
Ebina went from joke character to best supporting character |
El-MelloiJul 4, 2020 10:26 AM
Jul 25, 2020 12:00 PM
#428
I don't get Hachiman's quote in the supermarket - "If you had to sacrifice many things to protect one, you are more likely to give up and throw it away. Including the relationships you have right now". How does it apply to Ebina? It felt kind of random to me. Otherwise a great episode. Hachiman relieved the pressure between Tobe and Ebina by interfering with the confession. But he also sidelined Tobe's efforts even though it wouldn't be answered. I also didn't understand why Yui was upset. Hachiman didn't exactly become a villain in this episode and everyone appreciated his actions / wasn't angry with him. Maybe it is clearer in light novels, but I always end up struggling to find meaning in character actions in these kind of stories. Hayato is quite hopeless. He is selfish but doesn't want to get his hands dirty. Ebina was great. It was a good thing her character design changed. Previous design wouldn't have suited for this episode. |
Chrome_FalconJul 25, 2020 12:06 PM
Jul 26, 2020 9:33 PM
#429
This was my absolute favourite episode so far. Most of the romance felt like shitty filler up until now, but this made an enjoyable plot and character dynamic. Hikitani has an appearance that suits his tone, and this felt well written. Whenever romance used to be incorporated he'd just look flushed, but this is a throwback to the hikigiya of the first few episodes that made me want to watch this series. I'm not sure why, but I dislike edina's redesign and Yukinon's. it feels like it strays too far from their character |
Aug 2, 2020 12:31 PM
#430
Episode title "His and Her confession Won't reach anyone" Here "his" refers to Tobe, as he couldn’t get to confess And "Her" refers to Yuigahama, she was planning to confess but situations didn’t allow her. |
Aug 8, 2020 8:44 AM
#431
Aug 20, 2020 9:34 AM
#432
The vibe of this season got really better in this episode. |
Sep 17, 2020 11:26 PM
#433
Good thing we finished this arc, I really don't like Tobe as a character but obviously the most interesting thing were Hayato's actions in trying to maintain the status quo, Hachiman's deduction of what Ebina really wanted, and Yui's and Yukino concerns on Hachiman's ways of doing things. I can't blame Hachiman. 4/5 |
NurguburuSep 17, 2020 11:43 PM
BANZAI NIPPON. Nippon is the Land of freedom. Nippon is the Land of Peace. Nippon is the Land of Justice and Prosperity. In Nippon, we trust. We love Nippon, we love Anime. Anime love us, Nippon love us. 日本 |
Oct 1, 2020 2:28 AM
#434
Oct 23, 2020 11:20 AM
#435
Hikigaya is so fucking cool. OMG I just love everything he does |
Oct 24, 2020 7:22 PM
#436
Nov 10, 2020 4:53 PM
#437
How cute was the sharing food scene :( |
Jan 16, 2021 2:03 AM
#439
that Yui moment kinda hit me. It's true, Hachiman is so aware of everything and sees through everything, but not through the people closest to him. |
Apr 19, 2021 6:34 AM
#440
L O L @ Saki just noping her way out from the haunted house. She’s so cuteeeeeeeeee. Ahhhh when the trio shared Yui’s food, that was such a subtle & nuanced scene. When Ebina said she doesn’t want to be with anyone right now & said that she’s messed up & how she hates herself. Wow, I felt that. That was a great ending to the episode. That voice acting omg......so good...... Because it’s precious, because you don’t want to lose it, you hide it away and put up a front. That’s why everyone lies. But.....the biggest liar of all, was me. Also I must be the only one who likes the change in art & character design. What I don’t like is the ED. OP is so great tho♡ |
ꕤ but i’ll probably remember over and over again you were there and everyone else was there — the day we all searched for just one thing ꕤ |
Jun 16, 2021 12:45 AM
#441
Question. Why Yukino and Yui doesnt like Hachiman's way (being the bad guy to make everyone the good one except for him) to solve things this time. Hachiman did the same thing at season 1(sagami arc) and Yukino seems to be really fine about it. Is it because they dont know what Ebina and the other really want from the start(when Ebina comes to the clubroom) or something that I miss |
Jun 16, 2021 12:53 AM
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IWatchLegal said: Question. Why Yukino and Yui doesnt like Hachiman's way (being the bad guy to make everyone the good one except for him) to solve things this time. Hachiman did the same thing at season 1(sagami arc) and Yukino seems to be really fine about it. Is it because they dont know what Ebina and the other really want from the start(when Ebina comes to the clubroom) or something that I miss Yukino was okay with Hachiman's action the first time because it was the first time anyone stood up for Yukino. She just met him not long ago, anyways. She also found Hachiman to be an interesting person with his ideology. Getting past season 1 and into season 2, Yukino got know Hachiman a little bit more and grown comfortable around him--she considered him to a precious friend or something. When Hachiman did the second time, she became upset because she doesn't want him to suffer. As for Yui, I think it's the same thing except, Yui has romantic feelings for Hachiman, unlike Yukino. And obviously, when Yukino started to realize her feelings, it comes even more clear. Given by Hachiman and Yukino's desire for something Genuine, Yukino hated the fact that Hachiman was putting up with fake status to avoid the real issue. Again, circling back to being truthful, genuine. Though, she does that sometimes too, which is ironic. |
Jun 16, 2021 2:39 AM
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LordSozin said: Ah,thanks for the answer man. Appreciate itIWatchLegal said: Question. Why Yukino and Yui doesnt like Hachiman's way (being the bad guy to make everyone the good one except for him) to solve things this time. Hachiman did the same thing at season 1(sagami arc) and Yukino seems to be really fine about it. Is it because they dont know what Ebina and the other really want from the start(when Ebina comes to the clubroom) or something that I miss Yukino was okay with Hachiman's action the first time because it was the first time anyone stood up for Yukino. She just met him not long ago, anyways. She also found Hachiman to be an interesting person with his ideology. Getting past season 1 and into season 2, Yukino got know Hachiman a little bit more and grown comfortable around him--she considered him to a precious friend or something. When Hachiman did the second time, she became upset because she doesn't want him to suffer. As for Yui, I think it's the same thing except, Yui has romantic feelings for Hachiman, unlike Yukino. And obviously, when Yukino started to realize her feelings, it comes even more clear. Given by Hachiman and Yukino's desire for something Genuine, Yukino hated the fact that Hachiman was putting up with fake status to avoid the real issue. Again, circling back to being truthful, genuine. Though, she does that sometimes too, which is ironic. |
Jul 17, 2021 12:50 PM
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Chrome_Falcon said: I don't get Hachiman's quote in the supermarket - "If you had to sacrifice many things to protect one, you are more likely to give up and throw it away. Including the relationships you have right now". How does it apply to Ebina? It felt kind of random to me. Hey. I don't even know if you remember your question. But i guess i will answer it. when miura said that ebina rejected any proposals and didn't want to talk about herself, hachiman had most probably already deciphered Ebina's true personality and her true motives in the ep which is to prevent Tobe from confessing her so that their normal relationships as friends in the group is not ruined. Considering this, hachiman's quote perfectly fits here that ebina probably rejected proposals and didn't talk about herself because for a single relationship, she can't ruin many others i.e. with her friends. If you had to sacrifice many things to protect one, you are more likely to give up and throw it away. Including the relationships you have right now. The wordings of this quote you mentioned in the post is quite wrong. Here is the same quote from the official English translated light novel vol. 7 : I didn’t think that was quite it. I figured if Ebina were about to lose something, she would choose to break it herself instead. She would give up on it and throw it away rather than making the many sacrifices needed to protect it I hope you have a great day! :D |
Jul 17, 2021 9:47 PM
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nick_kun said: The LN quote makes more sense. I have forgotten the exact reason I found it confusing since it has been a year since I watched this. I think it was because when Hachiman said "including the relationships you have right now", I thought he was saying it was more likely that Ebina would throw her friendship with her friends away. The sub I watched may have botched it up. I will read the LN eventually so it should flow better there. Thanks for answering.Chrome_Falcon said: I don't get Hachiman's quote in the supermarket - "If you had to sacrifice many things to protect one, you are more likely to give up and throw it away. Including the relationships you have right now". How does it apply to Ebina? It felt kind of random to me. Hey. I don't even know if you remember your question. But i guess i will answer it. when miura said that ebina rejected any proposals and didn't want to talk about herself, hachiman had most probably already deciphered Ebina's true personality and her true motives in the ep which is to prevent Tobe from confessing her so that their normal relationships as friends in the group is not ruined. Considering this, hachiman's quote perfectly fits here that ebina probably rejected proposals and didn't talk about herself because for a single relationship, she can't ruin many others i.e. with her friends. If you had to sacrifice many things to protect one, you are more likely to give up and throw it away. Including the relationships you have right now. The wordings of this quote you mentioned in the post is quite wrong. Here is the same quote from the official English translated light novel vol. 7 : I didn’t think that was quite it. I figured if Ebina were about to lose something, she would choose to break it herself instead. She would give up on it and throw it away rather than making the many sacrifices needed to protect it I hope you have a great day! :D |
Oct 18, 2021 7:10 AM
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The cons from the previous episode apply to this one, same for the pros, but I have to say, I was expecting the confession to be handled with more drama, maybe proper use of OST or sound could pull it further, outside that, I liked how they handled it. And I guess my cons will be retained for the whole season, which is fine, as long as they at least deliver the scenes decently. Looking forward to the next few episodes. |
Oct 30, 2021 10:56 AM
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I too don't agree of which how Hachiman goes about his problem solving, it's even more disagreeable that he became a hypocrite for the sake of others. Worse is that he's aware of it yet I can't help but feel symphatethic to why he might've still done so. |
Dec 15, 2021 12:38 AM
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I personally believe these 2 episodes were better than pretty much anything from the first season, other than the first two introductory episodes of the first season as well haha |
Jan 31, 2022 12:41 PM
#449
milch_holstein said: It tee bit exaggerated me think. Whats damage does 8man inflicted to himself? The confession isnt serious, he knows it, almost everyone involve know that. This just over the top teen drama. This is what I thought as well... Ebina now knows for certain that Tobe fancies her, the relationships in their friendship group is already getting awkward as more and more of it becomes a facade that nothing is changing. Hayato and Ebina understandably want to keep plastering the cracks, but eventually the genuine substance of their friendship will evaporate. As Yui says in the next episode "Everything seems the same, but I can't tell what they're thinking anymore". And what is the purpose of friendship if you have to constantly pretend important parts of your life don't exist? What Hayato is trying to do is fossilize their relationship by stunting the growth of his friends, in the vain hope that it will always be there. Honestly? From his convo with Hachiman, I think he knows that the hope is vain. I can empathise with not wanting to lose a greatfriendship group, but people change, and real, living friendships like the Yui/Yukino/Hachiman trio change to accommodate them. Significant others will bring new blood to the group while some people will find they no longer have anything in common. There is nothing sadder than trying to keep a friendship group stuck in adolescence when your mates are becoming adults, and ironically it can actually end many long-standing friendships. Also, I highly doubt being rejected is any less painful because you're standing next to another guy who also wants to go out with her XD |
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Feb 10, 2022 12:04 PM
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Ouch that was some pretty heavy stuff from Hachiman again but not what I was expecting. I was sure he would break that confession by insulting Tobe right before he would confess, but I guess that would have some errors. What I'm getting confused (again) by are (ironically enough) Yui and Yukino's response to his plan. I don't remember Yukino having a problem with what Hachiman did with Sagami at the end of last season, quite the opposite, she was joking on it while making fun of how everyone hates Hachiman now. I really don't see why she was so angry with his plan given that she didn't have a problem the last time. And again, I still don't get what Yui said. Who got hurt? What do you mean by "You should give more thought to how other people feel", neither Tobe nor Ebina got depressed after that, they realized what he did and everything ended peacefully, I really don't see who got hurt here. The only person I could think of is Yui because she loves him, but she also realized Hachiman's confession to Ebina wasn't true so that can't be it either. |
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