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LightBladeNova said: That's honestly easier said than done. It's easy to tell someone not to let other people's commentary affect his/her enjoyment of a show. But when there are so many people criticizing the show, and actually giving legitimate reasoning (please don't assume people are hating on Charlotte for dumb reasons or just for the heck of it), it's hard to not be affected by that, because no matter what your enjoyment may tell you, it cannot easily deny all of the complaints. Sure, you could just try and ignore the criticism, but if you want to talk about Charlotte with people and have discussion, then you will have to face the negativity. You have every right to enjoy Charlotte, of course, but I'm just saying that it's difficult to feel unaffected by all of the criticism, unless you don't read the forums at all. I do not say that all people with negative critismn have dumb reason for doing so, but there are also the part who still hates popular shows no matter what these are. About the legitimate negative critique : Most of them is based on opinion or what should have be done better from the characters. The actions of the characters were not the best possible ones in some situation, but that does not mean these actions could be considered as out of character. We all have different kind of opinions and we all have different kind of expectations. The enjoyment itself is based on a subjective opinion. I can only talk for myself, but I have no problems to discuss the possible flaws or ways a anime choose to go and also made my own opinion simple based on the show itself. |
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Katsuruka said: For what it's worth, I think the main point of episode 11 - apart from giving us insight into what "Charlotte" actually is and what its relevance to the plotline is - was to provide a turning point where Shunsuke failed and couldn't put things right and where Yuu ended up in a position where he couldn't just Time Leap to fix things, the way Shunsuke had always done. So, apart from dealing with the consequences of what happened in episode 11, Yuu also needs to find a new strategy to save those he cares about (+ saving ability users in general). The problem is that the turning point comes out of nowhere, it doesn't feel like a natural conclusion to the previous events, but it's a last minute effort to inject some conflict into the story, while also creating way too many throwaway characters I'm given very few reasons to care about (I'm referring to Shunsuke's group too). This happened because almost every plot thread was conveniently wrapped up in episode 10. The other problem with episode 11 is that, contrary to what you said, Shunsuke still managed to solve everything with this time travel shit, as Ayumi is saved and the foreign syndacate was defeated. Of course, Shun lost Kumagami (and I gave zero fucks), while Yuu lost an eye, but the end result is still positive, and we're left with absolutely no conflict and direction AGAIN, just like at the end of episode 10. |
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Lollo36 said: The other problem with episode 11 is that, contrary to what you said, Shunsuke still managed to solve everything with this time travel shit, as Ayumi is saved and the foreign syndacate was defeated. Of course, Shun lost Kumagami (and I gave zero fucks), while Yuu lost an eye, but the end result is still positive, and we're left with absolutely no conflict and direction AGAIN, just like at the end of episode 10. I disagree on that statement because Kumagami might be very important to Shunsuke. That he failed to save his life could not be considered as managing to solve everything. |
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| Alright, I don't know why the hell I accidentally deleted my comment, but I don't feel like typing all that up again... so I'll just say that even if someone wants to enjoy the show, reading through all the negativity is bound to dampen his/her mood, it's kind of a natural reaction. So that's why SoManyRainbows up there feels like she should stay away from the comments right now. Oh, and are you really sure about your position that *most* of the criticism is based on opinions of the character's actions in this episode? |
| "Beyond the veil of cherry blossom petals blown by the wind - almost like their promised reunion - Feelings pile up with the passage of time: once the torrent of emotions comes rushing down, what is the spectacle that awaits?" |
Cyanwasserstoff said: Lollo36 said: The other problem with episode 11 is that, contrary to what you said, Shunsuke still managed to solve everything with this time travel shit, as Ayumi is saved and the foreign syndacate was defeated. Of course, Shun lost Kumagami (and I gave zero fucks), while Yuu lost an eye, but the end result is still positive, and we're left with absolutely no conflict and direction AGAIN, just like at the end of episode 10. I disagree on that statement because Kumagami might be very important to Shunsuke. That he failed to save his life could not be considered as managing to solve everything. I mostly agree with Lollo36, but I agree with Cyanwasserstoff on the one point that not everything has been resolved yet. There's still the anguish and guilt that Yuu and Shunsuke have to overcome (probably). But it is true that overall this show doesn't know what it wants to be, and so it lacks solid direction. |
| "Beyond the veil of cherry blossom petals blown by the wind - almost like their promised reunion - Feelings pile up with the passage of time: once the torrent of emotions comes rushing down, what is the spectacle that awaits?" |
LightBladeNova said: Alright, I don't know why the hell I accidentally deleted my comment, but I don't feel like typing all that up again... so I'll just say that even if someone wants to enjoy the show, reading through all the negativity is bound to dampen his/her mood, it's kind of a natural reaction. So that's why SoManyRainbows up there feels like she should stay away from the comments right now. Oh, and are you really sure about your position that *most* of the criticism is based on opinions of the character's actions in this episode? I agree that it could be possible that SoManyRainbows could be influenced by the opinion of others way too much. Each person is different and that also changed the way how much they got influenced by other opinions. About episode 11: Yeah, so far I have read in this thread about the episode most critique was addressed towards the action of the characters. Some other point where about things who has not been explained so far and about the terrorists being an asspull. About the last thing : If you really expect that everything has to indicate way before it happened then you would never enjoy events that noone would expect before. |
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Cyanwasserstoff said: LightBladeNova said: Alright, I don't know why the hell I accidentally deleted my comment, but I don't feel like typing all that up again... so I'll just say that even if someone wants to enjoy the show, reading through all the negativity is bound to dampen his/her mood, it's kind of a natural reaction. So that's why SoManyRainbows up there feels like she should stay away from the comments right now. Oh, and are you really sure about your position that *most* of the criticism is based on opinions of the character's actions in this episode? I agree that it could be possible that SoManyRainbows could be influenced by the opinion of others way too much. Each person is different and that also changed the way how much they got influenced by other opinions. About episode 11: Yeah, so far I have read in this thread about the episode most critique was addressed towards the action of the characters. Some other point where about things who has not been explained so far and about the terrorists being an asspull. About the last thing : If you really expect that everything has to indicate way before it happened then you would never enjoy events that noone would expect before. Alright, well, I'm not just talking about this episode. There's been criticism against this show since episode 1, some of which include overall lack of character development, too many throwaway unimportant characters, rushed pacing, forced feeling of scenes, plot holes, plot conveniences, lack of direction, jarring tone shifts, etc. And no, I don't want events to be too predictable. But I also don't want them to come out of nowhere, like with what happened in this episode. It's called foreshadowing, and it's good to be subtle with it and not give away too much, and yet still have logical flow/transitioning. That's good writing. |
LightBladeNovaSep 19, 2015 5:27 AM
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LightBladeNova said: Alright, well, I'm not just talking about this episode. There's been criticism against this show since episode 1, some of which include overall lack of character development, Especially about what happened between Tomori and Yuu. After the time leap the development was thrown away, so it seems. We do not know about that because there are two episodes left at this moment. In many shows only the most important characters got their development and you cannot deny the development of Yuu from the start to this moment in episode 11. LightBladeNova said: too many throwaway unimportant characters You mean the characters with skills they met as Students Council ? They were important for Yuu to get important abilities. LightBladeNova said: , rushed pacing, The feel of a rushed pacing is depending on the personal view of the audience. This one is very subjective. LightBladeNova said: forced feeling of scenes, Which one especially do you mean ? LightBladeNova said: plot holes, plot conveniences, I agree that not everything has been explained at this moment. LightBladeNova said: lack of direction, jarring tone shifts, etc. This also depends on the personal view. LightBladeNova said: And no, I don't want events to be too predictable. But I also don't want them to come out of nowhere, like with what happened in this episode. It's called foreshadowing, and it's good to be subtle with it and not give away too much, and yet still have logical flow/transitioning. That's good writing. At this point you cannot satisfy everyone. If it were the other way round and there were alots of hints before many of the discussing people here would blame the series to be too foreseeable. |
CyanwasserstoffSep 19, 2015 5:48 AM
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| Yuu's fighting skills. Seriously... Sooo, someone just struck your eye. Oh wait I have powers so I'm going to use them on the two 'i just stated that they're not armed and they're old so they don't have powers meaning they're not a threat' They could've at least lent him some more abilities. I'm sure there were others who wouldn't mind getting their abilities taken so that they can go back to their normal lives.. If anything, the driver could have at least gave Yuu a scouting report. |
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ronpdee said: Yuu's fighting skills. Seriously... Sooo, someone just struck your eye. Oh wait I have powers so I'm going to use them on the two 'i just stated that they're not armed and they're old so they don't have powers meaning they're not a threat' The basic problem of mankind. Human do not react the most logical way if they are in a panic situation. ronpdee said: They could've at least lent him some more abilities. I'm sure there were others who wouldn't mind getting their abilities taken so that they can go back to their normal lives.. Sure, but the time for them after making the choice to send Yuu was not that much to steal more abilities outside of the organisation. ronpdee said: If anything, the driver could have at least gave Yuu a scouting report. Yeah, but I am afraid that he was to scared of his parents being killed that he would not risk any more then necessarily. |
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| What a trainwreckcollapse this plot has turned into. (and yet, above average episode) That kind of torture just doesn't belong in this kind of show. 1. Yuu should have made both jump. 2. Plunder fail. Idiot, bust out the telekinesis sooner. Plus, he basically forgot about her. |
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| Shit got real so fast wtf lol, almost forgot this was P.A. Works for a sec, what's with Kumagami and Nao treatment. Geh ofc Kumagami becomes a meatshield ;( Me no likey how quick and easily he got brutalized. Need an uncensored version of that death scene. With the amount of shit that pierced his body, an uncensored version has to be done to justify his death. Also Yuu surprisingly didn't even think shit through, and ignored that hyperbeam girl...fuckin idiot lol. I coulda swore he had more powers he looted too? At that rate he should've lost his left arm after his right eye got slashed, then that would've gave him pro veteran status ffs |
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| that was just one useless death ever out of many I have seen This feels like aldnoah zero. I can't even think to grasp what's going on in the character's head. What the heck were they thinking? How did they thought it was good idea to send yuu into the middle of enemy territory. Is he a superhero? He's just an average highschool student who just got caught up in this silly mess. What are all these new characters dude? who the heck are these random villains, who the heck is this driver, Wtf is going on seriously. This ep just made me feel all this kind of complex mix of emotion like sadness, hatred, discomfort, obnoxiousness, confusion and doubt (mostly towards anime director and script writer). Basically, I felt crap. Bad episode is bad. One day, Maeda will learn how to write a story. EDIT: holy shit what a hater have I became! no it's all because I liked this anime till this ep |
| Pooh =,( WET-KUN NOOOO Why couldn't he use his time leap just because one eye got damaged? According to Shunsuke, using the time leap ability "Depends on whether or not [he] can see any light", so with one eye he still should have been able to see light and use it =/ |
BlackFox24 said: Pooh =,( WET-KUN NOOOO Why couldn't he use his time leap just because one eye got damaged? According to Shunsuke, using the time leap ability "Depends on whether or not [he] can see any light", so with one eye he still should have been able to see light and use it =/ That means even Shunsuke did not know that it would be impossible to use time leap with only one healthy eye. |
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| Somehow Nao's brother is gonna end up being Yuu, and Nao is gonna end up being the blind singer. |
| Okay .Bullshit .Total ,utter .condensed bullshit .What happened was the worst case scenario that could only occur when bad luck is combined with utter stupidity .The plan was stupid from the start .Why didn't they turn back time in the first place before going to the terrorists and avoid all that pointless drama .Also ,even if they needed to find out where the other guy's family was ,as soon as Yuu stopped to briefly talk to him ,he could have gotten the location ,turned back time and saved them without the need for Kumagami to get captured . Don't even tell me that they were just kids cuz I'm 17 ,actually ,I'm turning 17 ,and I thought that up as soon as they were preparing to send in Yuu |
SodiumChlorideSep 21, 2015 11:32 AM
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| I'm crying. A lot. ;_; The terrorists were too cruel. The bad luck was too bad. Kumagami shouldn't have died. This everything shouldn't have happened. ;_; |
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| Wow, this episode was far removed from anything else that has occurred so far in its brutality. I can't even recall any Jun Maeda works that have gone so far as to portray torture. It did come out of left field (which is nothing new for this show), but it still left a huge impact and was very much unsettling to watch. Kumagami obviously, but also how they continued to maim Yuu and prevent him from doing anything to smooth this conflict over. I'm not entirely sure how I feel about what just happened, but now I feel rather depressed. Speaking of depressing, some of the posts in this thread are absolutely astounding. I can't believe how many people mistook the Nao underwear scene as fanservice. It was a choice, just like ripping Kumagami apart, to show us the ruthless mindset of the torturers. And people are bashing P.A. Works for fanserv--no, I can't even do this right now. |
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| ;_; WHHHHHYYYYYYYYYY |
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| This right here. Shittiest episode I've seen in a long while. If I wasn't two eps away from the end I'd drop the show just to spite it. So much stupid stuff happening: Why the hell does the driver's family matter to these kids at all when on the other hand of the scale lies being tortured/used/experimented upon, not just for them but for all the kids in the country? Why is she freaking hanging from the chains in her underwear?? Is that really a place for fanservice? Why do they accept the demands and then ALL FOLLOW after Yu, even the brother who is supposed to be blind but clearly isn't considering how fast he's moving about without managing to kill himself on some rubble? Why kill Pooh when we just don't care? Ugh, well, off to suffer through the rest. |
| We finally know why the anime is named Charlotte And please Key, I watched Angel Beats! and Clannad: After Story but please don't make me cry too much |
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| dang..... i shouldn't have watched this on public transit. the ending LOL so much blood.. Why does this show get so much hate when Steins;Gate did the same shit? |
| Shouldn't have brought the imouto back maybe none of this would have happened. :^) |
MagicalMahou said: This is just me but this was a pretty disappointing episode. I know, it is such a shame Wet-Man kicked the bucket, but there was ZERO TO NO BUILDUP for this development. It just feels so EMPTY, y'know? No deathflag, no backstory, no nothing. This comment actually stands out to me because people will complain no matter what: - Built up: Predictable - Backstory: Emotional manipulation - Sudden death/twist: Empty You see what I mean? (^.^;) |
| Yuu.. for fuck sake... how did you not see her coming... |
| Well, that was dramatic. I feel like now they're just grasping at straws to make us feel something. Literally, the guy who died had one or two episodes of development, i didnt feel a thing |
| Those violent scenes srsly does not fit this show and they felt out of place imo. Also, the drama was super forced that I didn't even feel anything for that Pooh guy. Yuu also felt out of character in this episode ahh what a mess. |
| Oh boy that ending! Pretty intense development, let's see what's next. |
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| Wow what a tragic episode, the drama's strong in this one. I heard people scream about the ending, I don't wanna experience this shit anymore. |
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| Well what the hell was that? How did those terrorists even know about the Syndicate in the first place. And where the hell did the concept go: Don't use your abilites otherwise you will be captured by scientists Since Yuu did the time leap, Nao should have no memory about her saving Yuu from drepression (excpet when Yuu told her about it.) Which means it never happened in first place, and yet it is still used to force romance into this show. |
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Aidamis said: I fully agree with Luciferio. "what the hell was that ?" sums up the episode for me What the hell happened with the story after ep 10? The story could have gone in so many different directions, and they chose this ? Now intead of spelling the world "dumb" thirty three times, I'm just gonna say that this episode just felt overall silly. And that in any other anime that would've taken itself even half seriously, the hostages nonsence would've never worked out. We're talking about releasing the most dangerous esper after all, and world's security should take priority over ANYTHING else! And again, the whole terrorists thing came out of nowhere with barely any kind of foreshadowing in the episodes below. Everything's silly and contrived. Wth all due respect, try better next time, Maeda-san. I wholly agree with this. The driver put Kumagami in danger because he had a family who was threatened, when it was clearly stated as we found out, that those with a family couldn't be associated with the organization Shunsuke leads? So his selfish desires to ''help'' got Kumagami taken? Just so he could feel better himself. Bad episode altogether. |
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| The twist as planned because of the spoiler, arrived. But rather than make me sad pisses me off because the narrative is a bit too shallow the way we deal with the problem just risen, the reaction of Kumagami is somewhat silly in front of the danger. Actions during the plot is too silly, but I hope to be denial of what might happen next, I'm tired of seeing on stage the same old solutions in each series. |
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| This sounds heartless, but they should just let the terrorists sacrifice the driver's family. Since when are the lives of outsiders more important than their organization that has taken countless time leaps to create? Letting his family die (which is his own fault for keeping it a secret) in exchange for saving all of the power users (ie going back in time to save Pooh) seems like the better choice to me. But I don't really care anymore lol. |
| At this point I feel like the show is very shallow and took a complete 180 from where it started. There hasn't been much development at all to where we are the turning point happened in a single episode and now we are thrust into an entirely new show almost. I also just don't have much feeling towards the plot right now because all the characters are all very unfamiliar. |
| Well I did want the show to get darker. I think it went a little too far though. I don't like the foreigners that suddenly showed up. |
| this episode felt so rushed and ehh |
| Good lord, I hope there is a sensible reason for what the bad guys were doing, instead of "plot needed them, so I can create some sob stories". |
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| Kumagami R.I.P. Some dumb characters doing dumb things out of nowhere. |
| RIP Kumagami aka Pooh :( Man that episode was something. |
| Cartoons and anime is my reality. |
| Ah, that's why it was named Charlotte. So the cost of saving Ayumi is Kumagami dying, Nao getting tortured, and the ability of time leap rendered useless. Damn it, Shunsuke! You could have just sacrificed Furuki's family for the future of everybody! I wonder how everything will affect Yuu though. It won't be easy. |
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