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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- Oh boy, this episode escalated quickly without wasting time for any humor. They gathered up all the more prominent pilots into this episode. The different colors and variety of personalities mixed together feels like a Power Ranger gathering lol. Out of all them, I feel like Back Arrow himself still stands out the most and he even knocks them out. Not too shabby for a guy who managed to refine his control of that mech. |
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| So we got Shu and his friend’s backstory. With everything they went through it doesn’t surprise me that he’d betray Reka to help Arrow and co. Wouldn’t shock me if he had ulterior motives though. Solid episode. People really need to stop sleeping on this. |
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| Pretty interesting to see Shu Bi and Kai Rhodan's backstory, and that dream still rings ever true. The Four Fiends...if you add one more member, they can become mecha Power Rangers for lols. The Conviction of "<action> everything" is sure as scary. The journey to the Wall for Back Arrow and Edger Village (on Granedger), hitting another stall due to Shu Bi, Ren Sin, and the Four Fiends mercenary divergence attack of Briheights. Just like Zhuge Liang in terms of strategism, Shu Bi isn't letting anything loose while he can still learn about Back Arrow's features, being a special Rakuho with no conviction. At this point, Shu Bi is just playing around with Back Arrow and trying to wriggle his way around the Edger people, but what's his true intention other than having gathered info from the archives to his advantage and the subtle "surrender" to Edger Village. Knowing some culture symbolism won't help now, but it'll do in the long run. |
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| so the childhood friends wants to change their nation in the inside but seems Shu wants to see the world beyond the walls for now though those 4 elemental Briheights are good im sure we gonna see them again good thing Arrow knows how to do shadow clones like Naruto to fight them |
| Shu Bi seems to be quite interested about the mysteries of the wall and thinks he has the best chance of exploring them by joining Back Arrow and the crew. Will be interesting to see how he will prove himself to the rest and what will his contributions be, probably tactics and strategy since he is a smart guy. I assumed all main characters would gather at some point but I didn't expect it would start this quick and in this way. |
| They’re doing the right thing by not fully believing Shu Bi, man’s a genius so you can expect anything from him and I doubt he acutally betrayed the kingdom. |
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| There’s not much redeeming this anime aside from it not being offensively bad. The fights are lame, with Back Arrow being the only competent fighter. The music is unmemorable. The art, animation, and CGI are all mediocre. The politics are the only semi-interesting aspect of this anime, and even that is not something I would consider good. |
| This anime is as generic as it can be. The plot, characters and fights are average. However, i don't know what it is but something still keeps me from dropping this show. |
| I liked this episode more than the others, not by much, but i did thought it was better overall for some reason, probably because Shu is most likely the only character i seem to like right now. So arrow knows more than one conviction uh, interesting, i do hope it doesnt mean that everytime he is a dire situation all he does is gain a new ability, i far prefer more tactical fights. |
KaijuSloth said: Pretty much how i feel too, and i believe that i dont want to drop it because there are a lot of unresolved problems that can honestly be concluded in interesting ways, if its gonna do that i have no idea.This anime is as generic as it can be. The plot, characters and fights are average. However, i don't know what it is but something still keeps me from dropping this show. |
| One should know Shu Bi is joining Arrow and his crew for his own self benefit, we just don't know why he's teaming up. I wouldn't be surprised if he betrayed Arrow in the future though. |
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| This was arguably the worst looking episode in terms of animation, admittedly, yet the actual events were reasonably interesting in my opinion. It's mildly depressing to have to scroll through a bunch of negative posts and roll my eyes, but I'm still pretty happy with the show itself. Which is all that matters to me. It was to be expected that Shu would be making a move. However, I wasn't thinking he'd defect (or pretend to defect, rather?) so quickly and we got more information about his personal background as well as the state of the world. Furthermore, there's going to be a few ramifications from this among the Rekka cast of characters. I think those are all good things. I didn't mind the battle being more of a distraction since, as Shu explained, he wasn't interested in the idea of defeating Arrow and the others. His true objective was to follow his curiosity through to the end. Can they trust him? Probably not, but it was good of Bit to show he learned something from last week. Blue_Maroon said: There’s not much redeeming this anime aside from it not being offensively bad. The fights are lame, with Back Arrow being the only competent fighter. The music is unmemorable. The art, animation, and CGI are all mediocre. The politics are the only semi-interesting aspect of this anime, and even that is not something I would consider good. It's incredibly obvious that Arrow will face stronger opponents later, which will mean more complex fights, so that doesn't worry me. That said, I liked the short fights in the previous episodes. I don't see what was "not good" about the politics. They're not incredibly deep, yet it's still something that keeps the characters in motion both literally and figuratively speaking. I also happen to enjoy the music though, so that's a difference in musical tastes. I'd argue the 3DCG is actually quite good too, so I don't agree with your point there. WizKid2 said: I’m dropping for now it’s way to old school and the plot isn’t just it. I thought it would have some code Geass elements but I’m disappointed. You know, I'd honestly argue that Shu's gambit here qualifies as a "Geass-like" element. It's not the focus of the show because he's not the protagonist, but that's fine. |
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| Were they planning for Shu Bi to be the main but not title character all along? He's somewhat of a Char/Lelouch clone, initially reforming the empire and now teaming up with Back Arrow to break it/the entire world's traditions down... Ikki government being scumbags is the most interesting of the political events. Those four Briheights and Shu surrendering seems so sudden. I hope Kai might actually be in on this... but will go along with Ren and the rest of the Empire seeing Shu as an enemy for a while. |
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The only thing about/with the protagonists this week is that they spawned the show's Power Rangers/Ginyu Force to fight. Why? Because they're there. How? Each one has a themed elemental blaster and the laziest/crappiest special attack splash screens I have seen in a long time. That's it. That's their whole thing. So Arrow goes "I can spawn clones" and instantly defeats all of them with one punch. This was… not a good fight, to say the least. And there were still about seven minutes left in the episode after that point, which meant yet more listening to this long-haired bore ramble to people about his machinations. Again, why? Of all the things in your setting, why is this the thing that you're choosing to focus on? |
| The Element Fou.... eh, the Four Fiends. Shu Bi's betrayal |
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GolbeztheGreat said: This was arguably the worst looking episode in terms of animation, admittedly, yet the actual events were reasonably interesting in my opinion. It's mildly depressing to have to scroll through a bunch of negative posts and roll my eyes, but I'm still pretty happy with the show itself. Which is all that matters to me. It was to be expected that Shu would be making a move. However, I wasn't thinking he'd defect (or pretend to defect, rather?) so quickly and we got more information about his personal background as well as the state of the world. Furthermore, there's going to be a few ramifications from this among the Rekka cast of characters. I think those are all good things. I didn't mind the battle being more of a distraction since, as Shu explained, he wasn't interested in the idea of defeating Arrow and the others. His true objective was to follow his curiosity through to the end. Can they trust him? Probably not, but it was good of Bit to show he learned something from last week. Blue_Maroon said: There’s not much redeeming this anime aside from it not being offensively bad. The fights are lame, with Back Arrow being the only competent fighter. The music is unmemorable. The art, animation, and CGI are all mediocre. The politics are the only semi-interesting aspect of this anime, and even that is not something I would consider good. It's incredibly obvious that Arrow will face stronger opponents later, which will mean more complex fights, so that doesn't worry me. That said, I liked the short fights in the previous episodes. I don't see what was "not good" about the politics. They're not incredibly deep, yet it's still something that keeps the characters in motion both literally and figuratively speaking. I also happen to enjoy the music though, so that's a difference in musical tastes. I'd argue the 3DCG is actually quite good too, so I don't agree with your point there. I never said that Arrow wouldn’t face stronger opponents in the future. My comment was aimed at his teammates being incompetent and requiring him to save them in every fight. Also, when I said that I wouldn’t call the politics good, that wasn’t me calling them bad. I would actually consider it to be pretty straightforward. One side is religious wall worshipers, another side is European-esque monarchy, and Shu Bi & his friend have their own motives. I can’t call it good because it doesn’t strike me as unique, but I can appreciate that they are making an effort to build the world and its characters. Like I said, I found the music unmemorable because I have seen 4 episodes and I have no idea what the OST sounds like off the top of my head. Good music should stick out and/or enhance the scenes, yet I don’t think it does either for me. The CGI is on the lower-end of average (hence mediocre). I am not calling it bad, but it’s 2021 and I cannot say that this is currently in the higher tier of CGI quality. |
| This show is hilarious, honestly fun to watch. |
| i wonder if that MagLev technology they are using have any importance later on |
| Shuu Bi's actions are unprecedented and interesting! let's see where this goes... i wonder if "Kai Rhodan" would buy what Ren repoted to him...knowing that kei is ShuBi's childhood friend... 4/5. |
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| Shu and general Kai backstory. Thats quite rough, and its explained much about Shu's determination to got rid the prime minister, and be the number one at those Republic of Rekka. However, Shu may think he couldn't do that from inside. I mean, look at Rekka's emperor in the opening theme song, he seems so strong. Its hard to be the number one there, i guess. So, for the sake of his curiosity to break through the wall, he decided to join Arrow side and the rest of Edgar villager. Good strategy, Shugita, appreciated it. But, its also causing a confusion and sadness for lady Ren, and general Kai. In additional of troublesome, there is Lutoh that might soon ready to moves their ass too after what happened in these episode.... |
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Momohime said: Looks like Bit has learned his lesson. I really like that the opening and ending changes as the story progresses. Yeah, you are right, not much seasonal show do that right now, if i remember correctly. So i am pretty entertaining with those touch. |
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| Fine episode, Shu bi is definitely the most interesting character of the show. I wouldn't trust him yet but we'll see, as it is now he's just joining them for now for his own personal gains. I hope Kai understands what Shu Bi is doing. I like that the OP and ED changes as we go along, that's always cool. |
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Sondfer said: Flat and underdeveloped. How this is underdeveloped ?? |
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Sondfer said: Characters are not flashed out at all, lore is...there, and so on. They keep throwing stuff in, but it never gets enough attention for us to care about anything. MC just pulls off OP moves, 2 slaves somehow went to the elite forces of the country - point anywhere, and you can see that it's just minimum effort stuff. Well, first of all it's still only 4 out of 24 episodes, but even then, even so far reaching this 4 episodes we already know the goals and characterization of characters such as Arrow and Su-bi. Whether you found the characters is interesting or not is one thing, but to say they are underdeveloped is something I disagree with. It seems like you just throwing one liner without backing it up |
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| Well Shu betrayed the Rekka empire and joined back arrow as expected. Big oof for the blue hair girl XD. |
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| Watching the MAL score on this show is incredibly funny; I gave up finding meaning in them a while ago, but goddamn do people not like this. I must be missing something, because every episode my opinion of this show rises. My only major complaint so far is it’s been very exposition-based; even most of the fights have seemingly served to demonstrate different abilities/characters/worldbuilding aspects. (For instance this episode’s Briheight fights felt like a way to introduce Arrow’s capabilities and some side characters I can only assume will return.) It’s doing a solid job of doing that without getting boring, but I’m still waiting for more defining/focused fights and character moments. The world and characters are all interesting and have a lot of charm, and it’s quietly doing a very strong job of setting itself up to explore them while keeping the action rolling. I hope to see them all develop as the show goes on; I do hope the girls get more time soon in particular as they’ve mostly been getting put on the back burner so far. |
| So many betraying and stuff like that on the two sides, but well I guess now they have a new ally xD |
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Fortress_Maximus said: I hope Kai might actually be in on this... but will go along with Ren and the rest of the Empire seeing Shu as an enemy for a while. I have a feeling Kai doesn't know what Shu is up to, but due to having known him all this time will probably trust that he has good reason for his actions and has some kind of plan behind it all. He knows Shu well enough to know he isn't just going to throw away everything they've been working towards all these years for no reason. He's probably still confused by these actions and will likely demand an explanation when next they meet, but I doubt he's just gonna believe Shu betrayed him just from this. |
| Still feels all over the place with some clumsy expostion here and there. The dialogue is uninspired that it's downright cheesy. It has a certain charm and I want to like it, but I'm having a hard time so far. |
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| Shu Bi is a magnificent bastard. Reminds me of whatshisname from Thunderbolt Fantasy. |
| Ok, so Shu Bi's betrayal of the Republic of Rekka begins, as for those 4 friends, well it kinda looks like that the lone female member of them baddies Kei Suitu's out fit would be the only fanservice we're gonna see. |
| The girls s can't do anything without Arrow. Really hope they get stronger in the future.. |
| I declare that Shu Bi is the only protagonist of this anime! I thought Shu Bi would betray, but I didn't think it would be so soon. I thought there would be an episode or two to unfold the plot of betrayal. After reading the writer's name, it was Nakashima Kazuki. No wonder he is good at writing such high-density plays. According to his personal habits, there is still a lot to say after they break the wall. The characters appearing in the early stage are basically good, and those appearing on the stage after 10 episodes are probably enemies. Anyway, during the civil war, they were all friends, and then they would probably fight aliens outside the wall! |
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