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| Gray looking like Saber Alter, I ain't even mad. But nice shit all around...can't complain. |
| Don't believe the hype. |
| What is with this franchise's obsession with that hair style? |
Yuri Development? |
When someone asks me why I like anime, I'd say Just Because. |
| Rather interesting, I will admit. I thought "they can't possible make an opening song here, can they?" and they did not. Good boys. A mellow, symbolic storytelling with message in each of them, I guess that is what this particular fate/ entry will be. When Waver talks about people changing he could be alluding to himself as well - the moment when Grey does not need to hide her face anymore. Also a nice pair. A lot of Japanese would crave that "ship". Could be about that girl and her maid being a pair. The father was an abusive scum insane magician and both he and probably Alec abused the maid. The daughter was also kept captive in that cage of a house. Them holding hands in the end adds a point of them being a pair. There is no such cliche I know about, as it is a relatively fresh trope... but whatever. |
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xenovibe said: Holy crap this was boring. Just when you thought Fate couldn't get any worse. They shit out a show that's exclusively about tediously delivered magical exposition starring the whiny brat from Fate/Zero. Then again, knowing the franchise, the fans would still eat this up as if it was some sort of holy grail. I have to agree, it was so boring i often found myself zoning out of it and missing information just because of the sheer amount of it. Animation and soundtrack are nice which is pretty much the norm for any Fate anime but other than that... this episode kinda put me to sleep immediately. |
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xenovibe said: Holy crap this was boring. Just when you thought Fate couldn't get any worse. They shit out a show that's exclusively about tediously delivered magical exposition starring the whiny brat from Fate/Zero. Then again, knowing the franchise, the fans would still eat this up as if it was some sort of holy grail. Pretty much this. I already guess it's gonna be some sort of Black Butler first half and just gonna enjoy some murder mistery, but Holy moly the dialogues is far from the actual case investigation. But then again, hard to tell what this whole series is all about just by this episode. |
| I'm too weird to live but much too rare to die. |
| I'm enjoying the format so far, solving mysteries in Nasuverse. Now I wonder why Gray hides her hair. Why is she ashamed of it? Also, wonder if there's the reason for her Saberface. Could she be some sort of clone or somehow a Saber's descendant? I also couldn't stop thinking how Mary looks exactly like Historia from Attack on Titan. |
| This is unbelievably dull and seems to believe that people actually care so much about the lore of Magecraft and stuff like that; expositing about that over and over and over again does not in any way make it interesting. This is trash, and I'm done with it and any other Fate spin-offs from here onwards, cos they're consistently awful. |
| I agree that a mystery fan would not like it because the magic system is very complex and still not clear, so the howdunit is impossible to predict. Still, I liked the episode, even with the nonsense engrish and ANOTHER saberface (why? seriously, what's the need for a saberface here?). Nasuverse has an enormous potential, and we need more stories that tell us about the mages, since they are the central role on the setting, holy church and vampires being seconds, and explain more about the magecraft system instead of using it as an asspull everytime. This anime is not perfect, but it's way better than lesian loli battle anime. Daniel_Naumov said: Rather interesting, I will admit. I thought "they can't possible make an opening song here, can they?" and they did not. Good boys. A mellow, symbolic storytelling with message in each of them, I guess that is what this particular fate/ entry will be. When Waver talks about people changing he could be alluding to himself as well - the moment when Grey does not need to hide her face anymore. Also a nice pair. A lot of Japanese would crave that "ship". Could be about that girl and her maid being a pair. The father was an abusive scum insane magician and both he and probably Alec abused the maid. The daughter was also kept captive in that cage of a house. Them holding hands in the end adds a point of them being a pair. There is no such cliche I know about, as it is a relatively fresh trope... but whatever. It's an old trope, I can remember at least two cases only on nasuverse. But whatever, we problaly won't see these two again anyway. |
Biscuri said: I agree that a mystery fan would not like it because the magic system is very complex and still not clear, so the howdunit is impossible to predict. Still, I liked the episode, even with the nonsense engrish and ANOTHER saberface (why? seriously, what's the need for a saberface here?). Nasuverse has an enormous potential, and we need more stories that tell us about the mages, since they are the central role on the setting, holy church and vampires being seconds, and explain more about the magecraft system instead of using it as an asspull everytime. This anime is not perfect, but it's way better than lesian loli battle anime. Daniel_Naumov said: Rather interesting, I will admit. I thought "they can't possible make an opening song here, can they?" and they did not. Good boys. A mellow, symbolic storytelling with message in each of them, I guess that is what this particular fate/ entry will be. When Waver talks about people changing he could be alluding to himself as well - the moment when Grey does not need to hide her face anymore. Also a nice pair. A lot of Japanese would crave that "ship". Could be about that girl and her maid being a pair. The father was an abusive scum insane magician and both he and probably Alec abused the maid. The daughter was also kept captive in that cage of a house. Them holding hands in the end adds a point of them being a pair. There is no such cliche I know about, as it is a relatively fresh trope... but whatever. But whatever, we problaly won't see these two again anyway. I can bet on that, certainly. |
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| Gray is oretty op to stay with that nerd. |
Tsarko said: Now I wonder why Gray hides her hair. Why is she ashamed of it? Rewatch episode 0 then. Waver himself reminds her he doesn't want to see her face. The reason is a spoiler that will be disclosed later so keep watching in the next weeks :) LeSponge said: NOBLE PHANTASM Unless you mean the weapon, we didn't see that yet. It would really be a let down if that mono hit slash was an NP lol. I want to see a light beam! Also calling it NP would be incorrect as it only applies to servants. Pretty good episode tbh. Liked it more than the previous, that was already good. But this hyped me up quite a lot, and we got a fight with Gray, finally! Can't wait for next week. Also I was ready to facepalm my *** off after reading this topic then I remembered...yeah, secondaries >.< |
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| Grave me with this episode i hope there's gonna be more of something like last episode. this fate detective conan stuff is pretty meh |
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CHC said: astroprogs said: That's a case of what knowledge of the Nasuverse does for enjoying a spin-off. The moment the daughter Mary said "he was obsessed with eternity" and "Life is too short to reach the Root", I instantly went "Yup, he did it to himself." There are at least 3 other people in the Nasuverse that did something very similar to themselves to reach the Root and/or other goals that require time that's beyond that of a single human's life span. These are Roa, Zouken, and Wallachia. You didn't need to know how the made-up magic worked, but you needed to read between the lines and go wilder with your imagination or to just have background into that world. That's pretty obvious that he has done it to himself, but I mean, the charm of a mystery story comes from the deducting from the clues we are presented to every details of the procedure of the crime. You would never be able to come up with "ah, the Earth must represent the soul, and therefore his soul must be buried here!" You come up with an answer because it's an identifiable trope, not because the conclusion strictly follows from the given clues. People go crazy because of a desire for eternity is in itself a pretty worn-out trope. If it's less meant to be a detective story and more about the psychological study of a character, then I don't think episode has presented anything very interesting in that respect either. I guess it's more about the fascination with the world-building of type-moon universe for people who are already a big fan of the franchise? I think it's completely pointless to watch this show for people who are not into the Type-Moon universe, I wouldn't watch it in that case. The story itself in this episode wasn't exactly good, I'm watching this show just for the worldbuilding around the Clock Tower and to see what happened to Waver after Fate/Zero. |
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| Nice animation at the end. Troyca did a good job. |
| I expected some magic related Fate Type-Moon info, but I didn't expect it would be this confusing. More or less understood what was happening, but when it came down to the specifics of the magic, how it worked and whatnot the logic is very confusing and hard to follow :/ |
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Smurfaroo said: I expected some magic related Fate Type-Moon info, but I didn't expect it would be this confusing. More or less understood what was happening, but when it came down to the specifics of the magic, how it worked and whatnot the logic is very confusing and hard to follow :/ It's fine if you don't get the fine details. The Magecraft nuances in this series is a backdrop to the actual events, for the most part, rather than the mainstay. All you need to know about why things turned out this way for the father is that he seemed to think that the traditional methods of his magic can't make his body immortal. So, he tried a new method that he personally created. Because this new method is untested like his old methods, he fucked it up, and instead of becoming immortal, he became a mindless entity that will endlessly kill to endlessly gather lives to expand his own. |
Atavistic said: This is unbelievably dull and seems to believe that people actually care so much about the lore of Magecraft and stuff like that; expositing about that over and over and over again does not in any way make it interesting. Yeah it has such a big following because nobody cares about the lore of magecraft. Congrats you solved the case. |
FullyCharged said: Rewatch episode 0 then. Waver himself reminds her he doesn't want to see her face. The reason is a spoiler that will be disclosed later so keep watching in the next weeks :) Completely forgot about that detail. Thanks for reminding me. This makes it weirder. Currently can't think of a reason why he'd want her to hide her face except that she reminds him of Saber, but I don't see why that would be the reason for not wanting to see her face. I will definitely keep watching. |
Tsarko said: Currently can't think of a reason why he'd want her to hide her face except that she reminds him of Saber, but I don't see why that would be the reason for not wanting to see her face. I will definitely keep watching. Well, for now, just think that without Waver having the full picture(Saber actually mercy killing Kayneth) he just sees his teacher's "brutal" killer. |
| Well i have been liking this so far. Out of the countless spin off series that Type moon has produced over the years, in terms of animation this might be the best one since Fate/Zero, a few other are either bad or mediocre or good enough but not as grand. Well i hope it continues to be good as it has been so far, it is great to see my boy waver being properly more developed, he really has changed after the holy grail war. |
| Nice twist ending! |
| Are there doujins of that blonde heiress and the maid??? The plot twist at the end was hot. |
| soooooooooo another fate anime, it's time to see bullshit excuses from the fans because "iF YOu REad aND UNDERstand tHE NASUVERsE you wOULD LIKe thiS, BUT sinCE YOU DON'T, YOu cANNot sAY ANYTHing bAD ABOut it". anyways, so we finally got to see DDD's copy animated, yay, I guess. it wasn't fun like episode 0, Flat really changes things when he's in, so yeah, episodes without him are going to be hard to see. gray's cute, i still hate her backstory, but she's cute. music is nice i still want DDD to continue, but apparently a bad copy sells more just because muh fate. 3/5. |
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| Something smells a bit off with this anime. The 'mystery' and episodic plot is total bullshit. None of the 'clues' mean anything since it's all imaginary 'science', which we have no clue as to the rules of. The culmination of all the information is essentially a deus ex machina ending that nobody could've seen coming. Look, I get that the episode was essentially an excuse to show off Gray's power. That's fine and all. However, if they continue couching decent action in total contrived bullshit plot, then we're not going to get very far. Next, the whydunit, howdunit. I guess it's funny really. To them, they think the writer is some genius who slips English phrases into their Japanese anime and they just assume that it's correct. To us, we're just sitting here cringing. Getting a lot of red flags with this one. Hopefully they pull it out in the next episode but this could be a bad one. |
Zei33Jul 16, 2019 6:26 AM
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| Good episode and that hairstyle of Gray totally caught me off guard. Looking forward to incoming episodes |
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| Wow now this just getting more awesome every episode.Gray has a hair style like Artoria and also looks alike her. I wonder if there's any connection.Also im really liking Waver here and same for gray. |
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Five minutes... Could you not create another Seibah clone... FOR FIVE MINUTES!! Zei33 said: However, if they continue couching decent action in total contrived bullshit plot, then we're not going to get very far. Next, the whydunit, howdunit. I guess it's funny really. To them, they think the writer is some genius who slips English phrases into their Japanese anime and they just assume that it's correct. To us, we're just sitting here cringing. You're basically asking for a Fate serie to stop being a Fate serie lol All that sums up what this franchise (talking about animated adaptations) is. |
Rhapsody-Jul 17, 2019 1:20 AM
| Wow plot in this episode was amazing! Initially i thought that person who's responsible for this is this guy (i don't remember his name) Waiting for next episode |
danklolihunter said: pls spoiler me, im curious about GrayLeo said: Gray's hairstyle is like that of saber. Though I wonder why she hides it. You'll see why in the future. Unless you want spoilers which i can provide |
| Nice, loli Saber with sychte.... I LIKE IT |
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| Saber has always been a loli?Underage appearance at 154cm. |
ssjokg said: Saber has always been a loli?Underage appearance at 154cm. Man.. i'm 156-157 cm. |
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| The episode was good - if we exclude that the ghost looked like it was animated by... Pierrot, loool! |
| Meh. A dull loli doll with Saber appearance and some boring cliche traits, whose main purpose seems to be her skirt, stockings and cute sighs? Thanks, I'm already fed up and done. Not to mention overall boringness and Waver's boringness in particular. Was expecting something better, but alas, fate remains fate after all |
Nemo_NiemandJul 19, 2019 4:51 PM
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| I didn't know how to react to the English mumbo jumbo. Felt like the voice over for a really bad ad for an EDM festival. Rave. Crave. Deprave. Grave me? Noo grave for u. Cringee |
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| Good episode overall, although I understand those people complaining about this episode was boring. The whole Gray fight was really cool, and props to the animation and OSTs. My favorite OP this season so far, and it doesn't even have vocals I really love the implied yuri between the daughter and that maid at the end. Beautiful girls holding hands is the best. |
| I'm a sucker for murder mysteries so I definitely enjoyed this episode. Even if the explanation wasn't a murder mystery explanation. I'm interested in what's up with Gray and her op magical powers. |
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zwolf12 said: Already better lesbian romance than all of KyoAnis yuri bait shows together. :D Call KyoAni a baiting, but at the same time believing in a lesbian romance after a brief scene of holding hands - lol. arubaro89 said: Are there doujins of that blonde heiress and the maid??? The plot twist at the end was hot. JuuzouXIII said: I really love the implied yuri between the daughter and that maid at the end. Beautiful girls holding hands is the best. Vanschia said: that plot twist in the end caught me of guard, I literally said "WOT" out loud kek the daughter is fricking lesbian @Daniel_Naumov I honestly don't understand, holding hands is somehow a kind of sex in the US? Why is it that every time someone holds hands in the anime, it immediately causes an insane explosion among American viewers? Japan is not even the only country where it is a manifestation of non-sexual phisical intimacy. Not every scene of physical intimacy is equivalent to a demonstration of romantic affection, especially in Japanese culture, which is still inspired by the Victorian era with its non-sexual intimacy as a substitute for the real manifestation of emotions and feelings. I will not talk about the intentions of the authors, as they are not known to me, but I just do not understand how people can watch anime for years, but at the same time shouting "they are lesbians! 11" at each such scene. Especially if judging by the surprise in the comments, no one saw any real manifestation of affection between them before this scene. |
RobertBobertJul 27, 2019 4:55 AM
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Daniel_Naumov said: RobertBobert said: Call KyoAni a baiting, but at the same time believing in a lesbian romance after a brief scene of holding hands - lol. I honestly do not understand, holding hands is somehow a kind of sex in the US? Why is it that every time someone holds hands in the anime, it immediately causes an insane explosion among American viewers? Japan is not even the only country where it is a manifestation of non-sexual phisical intimacy. @Daniel_Naumov Not every scene of physical intimacy is equivalent to a demonstration of romantic affection, especially in Japanese culture, which is still inspired by the Victorian era with its non-sexual intimacy as a substitute for the real manifestation of emotions and feelings. I will not talk about the intentions of the authors, as they are not known to me, but I just do not understand how people can watch anime for years, but at the same time shouting "they are lesbians! 11" at each such scene. Especially if judging by the surprise in the comments, no one saw any real manifestation of affection between them before this scene. I am all up for it if it was just a friendly hand-squeeze they made. Without any implication what so ever. I would be way more grateful. I don’t care if they are lesbian or not, I’m amazed at how obsessed people are solely with the sexual interpretation of thing, that not only in Japan, but even in their own culture has been considered for centuries as a manifestation of platonic and innocent intimacy. I know people who even consider hug between two girls or guys as obvious evidence of homosexual attraction. |
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Daniel_Naumov said: RobertBobert said: I don’t care if they are lesbian or not, I’m amazed at how obsessed people are solely with the sexual interpretation of thing, that not only in Japan, but even in their own culture has been considered for centuries as a manifestation of platonic and innocent intimacy. I know people who even consider hug between two girls or guys as obvious evidence of homosexual attraction. Your assumptions are way more drastically than what the forum-goers here did. I do not know what this subconscious urge is, or where it stems from, but I would advise you drop it. The amount of times you mentioned other cultures might hint at your superiority complex over your own culture. We don't do that here. The superiority complex? What? How could you even make such a conclusion from my words? And since we are talking about interpretations, is not a third of people trying to say now that two girls are lesbians just because they are holding hands? |
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RobertBobert said: Daniel_Naumov said: Your assumptions are way more drastically than what the forum-goers here did. I do not know what this subconscious urge is, or where it stems from, but I would advise you drop it. The amount of times you mentioned other cultures might hint at your superiority complex over your own culture. We don't do that here. The superiority complex? What? How could you even make such a conclusion from my words? And since we are talking about interpretations, is not a third of people trying to say now that two girls are lesbians just because they are holding hands? Because it happens at the very end when everyone else is gone.You dont need to be alone to show platonic affection.They were also hiding any type of relationship with the maid, and no they didnt have to do that if they were just friends, the other "suspects" wouldnt give a shit about it if they were just friends. There is no reason for such level of secrecy if it meant nothing. |
ssjokg said: RobertBobert said: The superiority complex? What? How could you even make such a conclusion from my words? And since we are talking about interpretations, is not a third of people trying to say now that two girls are lesbians just because they are holding hands? Because it happens at the very end when everyone else is gone.You dont need to be alone to show platonic affection.They were also hiding any type of relationship with the maid, and no they didnt have to do that if they were just friends, the other "suspects" wouldnt give a shit about it if they were just friends. There is no reason for such level of secrecy if it meant nothing. Did they hide something? They holding hands before the car was out of sight. And why was there literally no other hint of it on the show? And if this conversation has already started, even non-sexual intimacy is intimacy, because this is not something that people will necessarily try to do in public. With such logic, I can call by word "couple" absolutely any characters, since the abstract argument "they just hid it" is fundamentally irrefutable. All we have is two girls who holding hands after a hard emotional experience, using it as a foundation for a whole theory about hidden relationships is quite funny. |
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RobertBobert said: ssjokg said: Because it happens at the very end when everyone else is gone.You dont need to be alone to show platonic affection.They were also hiding any type of relationship with the maid, and no they didnt have to do that if they were just friends, the other "suspects" wouldnt give a shit about it if they were just friends. There is no reason for such level of secrecy if it meant nothing. Did they hide something? They holding hands before the car was out of sight. And why was there literally no other hint of it on the show? And if this conversation has already started, even non-sexual intimacy is intimacy, because this is not something that people will necessarily try to do in public. With such logic, I can call by word "couple" absolutely any characters, since the abstract argument "they just hid it" is fundamentally irrefutable. All we have is two girls who holding hands after a hard emotional experience, using it as a foundation for a whole theory about hidden relationships is quite funny. Out of sight?All that matters is that nobody was around and Waver and Gray cant pay attention to them. Hint of affection?How about when the maid is intimidated by the other guy and the daughter helps her when, as far as everyone knows she could also be the culprit? I dont buy it for a second that this was friendly intimacy that must be hidden even towards people that would have no issue with it, like Waver and Gray. Why do you seem so offended by the assumption that fans make, based on certain clues, that something more than a platonic relationship is going on between them? I dont get your problem?Since there is no decisive facts for either case what other viewers think is no business of yours. You are basically mad that others are having fun with implications of the episode. |
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