You do realize that just because I point out that something is legal doesn't mean that I think it's an okay thing to do, right? |
| People who put MAL stats in their sigs are losers lol |
| Good lol Should've been done long ago. Zefyris said: What's the problem here exactly? it's their website, they decide what they're okay with and what they're not. If tomorrow they decide that anyone who writes "carrots" will be banned, and that anyone complaining about that new rule will have his account deleted, they can do it, it's privately owned so there is no such thing as "free speech" to be enforced there. If someone is unhappy about a restriction, all he has to do is move on another website that fits his/her needs/opinions more, and that's it. Nothing to see here, move on. Amen <3 Wish more people realized this. I hate it when people cry "Freedom of speech blablabla". |
DateYutaka said: Reddit site there rules no diffrent from Mal or a private club or a jobthis is ati free speech If your making a toxic work eviroment for others then a boss can fire you. Freedom of speech doesn't mean you can go onto other people property and start spouting stuff that's against there polocies. Look up freedom of association |
GrimAtramentOct 26, 2017 8:38 AM
| "among monsters and humans, there are only two types. Those who undergo suffering and spread it to others. And those who undergo suffering and avoid giving it to others." -Alice “Beauty is no quality in things themselves: It exists merely in the mind which contemplates them; and each mind perceives a different beauty.” David Hume “Evil is created when someone gives up on someone else. It appears when everyone gives up on someone as a lost cause and removes their path to salvation. Once they are cut off from everyone else, they become evil.” -Othinus  |
Psyotic said: You do realize that just because I point out that something is legal doesn't mean that I think it's an okay thing to do, right? Then why even pointing out. Doxxing may not be a "crime" in a legal sense, but it's certainly is for the amount of damage it causes, hence why most sites forbids it. |
>ignoring the sheer amount of people that use Plebbit go back to Plebbit |
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| daily reminder reddit allowed and defended pedo-lite subreddits until they were pressured too much. |
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worldeditor11 said: I thought this whole Nazi thing is a joke. Just like those guys in MAL who have Hitler as one of their favourite characters. It's just not funny. I'm a racist who likes genocidal maniacs? Haha just kidding aren't I funny? Geez why are you guys getting to so offended just a joke. And most other people who [aren't] trying to be funny are just doing it to intentionally rile up sensitive people who have little sense of humor. Which might not make them nazi's, but it does make them trolls. It'd be better at least if they were funny and entertaining rather than blunt and boring. |
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Bernrika said: I wonder, how do you define doxxing? Are you actually defending doxxing. Josh said: If only MAL would stop growing, if only liberals like you would update their ideologies with what is happening right now in reality instead of relying on old, out of touch, ideas.Nico- said: I don't know about that. MAL allows far more explicit Nazism, white nationalism, Maoism, and (insert other extreme political ideology) than any other forum I've posted on. If this is a Plebbit forum, then what does a non-Plebbit forum look like? Stormfront?I'd say MAL's case is beyond repair regarding the Plebbit virus. I think the far-out content that MAL allows in CE and CD drives away the majority of "normal" people, who don't have radical political opinions and can't be bothered to wade through the shit. The flight of the normal people contributes to a politically charged and "toxic" environment. Zefyris said: Censorship. What's the problem here exactly? it's their website, they decide what they're okay with and what they're not. Indeed, they can decide whatever they want, because they like other popular sites similar to them have a monopoly. I wonder where I'm going with that, maybe you're smart enough to guess. If tomorrow they decide that anyone who writes "carrots" will be banned, and that anyone complaining about that new rule will have his account deleted, they can do it, it's privately owned so there is no such thing as "free speech" to be enforced there. Not as law, but as an idea, yes. I remember arguing with you before but I never thought you'd be this slow. Same goes for you @hazarddex, but disregard the compliments, you were never a good partner. NudeBear said: Pretty much all censorship is the same. It didn't take long for a website's moderation policy to be compared to one of the most gruesome examples of government censorship from the Nazi regime. Talk about exaggeration. Analogies work that way though, but as usual, you never learn your lesson or definitions for that matter. Zefyris said: Godwin's Law was never meant to be used seriously, there's no need to show even more ignorance than this.Godwin's law to its finest. We can objectively close this thread now that it's been reached. @Ardanaz I'm not even amazed at this point. Wish more people realized this. I hate it when people cry "Freedom of speech blablabla". It's like arbitrary restrictions will kick you in the nuts too. @ashfrliebert Just because your sense of humor is not evolved enough, that does not mean it can't be for others. |
Play League of Legends here! Autocrat said: Hitler was good, objectively. |
| Nothing new. Try gaming forums they do that a lot. Even here. |
"When you made this thread, I cried and screamed" -Swagernator 2017 |
| maybe it's just the delivery IMMAHNOOB |
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| I can go on Reddit right now and make a board titled: Barbary Slavery: Why White People Need Chains And I will be celebrated as a hero by the CEO. |
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| @Immahnoob why did i get a message saying you pinged me? |
| "among monsters and humans, there are only two types. Those who undergo suffering and spread it to others. And those who undergo suffering and avoid giving it to others." -Alice “Beauty is no quality in things themselves: It exists merely in the mind which contemplates them; and each mind perceives a different beauty.” David Hume “Evil is created when someone gives up on someone else. It appears when everyone gives up on someone as a lost cause and removes their path to salvation. Once they are cut off from everyone else, they become evil.” -Othinus |
| CTRL + F, hazarddex, check my post, you'll get your answer. |
Play League of Legends here! Autocrat said: Hitler was good, objectively. |
Because someone else said it was a crime and compared it to other crimes you fucking dipshit isekai said: the amount of freedom on the internet alone do some real crimes like doxxing, identity theft, fake news, trolling, etc so believe me you do not want more freedom Therefore, not a crime at all. but it's certainly is for the amount of damage it causes That's not how deciding what is and is not a crime works. hence why most sites forbids it. Most websites want to avoid hostile behavior altogether. Other than wanting to avoid potential shitstorms, there's a website has to worry about. Finding publically available information on someone and posting it on a public platform isn't a crime, and no legal action can be taken against the website or the poster of said information. |
| People who put MAL stats in their sigs are losers lol |
and? so does that mean i have the right to put a sign on your property denouncing people i don't like? since its freedom of speech? no! and a judge would agree because its YOUR property. don't like it? go back in time to soviet Russia where no one owned property except the government |
| "among monsters and humans, there are only two types. Those who undergo suffering and spread it to others. And those who undergo suffering and avoid giving it to others." -Alice “Beauty is no quality in things themselves: It exists merely in the mind which contemplates them; and each mind perceives a different beauty.” David Hume “Evil is created when someone gives up on someone else. It appears when everyone gives up on someone as a lost cause and removes their path to salvation. Once they are cut off from everyone else, they become evil.” -Othinus |
Bobby2Hands said: One of the creators of Rick & Morty (Dan Harmon) thinks that 1/3 of Americans are Nazis. These kinds of nutcases are rare, but they do exist.AvaG said: nazi, white supremacist = white person who doesnt vote liberal. Dude, stop playing the victim card. Nobody thinks people are Nazis simply for not voting Liberal, you are just being hysterical. |
| @hazarddex This is why I said you're not a good debate partner, you can't even read my post. |
Play League of Legends here! Autocrat said: Hitler was good, objectively. |
Immahnoob said: @hazarddex This is why I said you're not a good debate partner, you can't even read my post. i did but if every thing supported the idea of freedom of speech we wouldn't be able to kick people off our property for putting up signs on it that we disagree with. unless your telling me you want people nailing stupid stuff to your door |
| "among monsters and humans, there are only two types. Those who undergo suffering and spread it to others. And those who undergo suffering and avoid giving it to others." -Alice “Beauty is no quality in things themselves: It exists merely in the mind which contemplates them; and each mind perceives a different beauty.” David Hume “Evil is created when someone gives up on someone else. It appears when everyone gives up on someone as a lost cause and removes their path to salvation. Once they are cut off from everyone else, they become evil.” -Othinus |
Altairius said: traed said: They should just ban the ones that incite violence or organise mass threats and plan terrorist attacks or just other shitty behaviour. It's a private business so if any of you don't like it stop supporting capitalism. Yeah. This is where you slip in "ideas I find to be threats to my worldview". Okay, but you don't support capitalism. That last part I meant for other similar things.. I got tired of listing. Immahnoob said: At some point you don't even know where to start with people like @isekai and @traed. You could start by checking yourself into a psych ward. If you paid attention youd notice I was implying I'm against banning things just for being offensive as a whole. I was specifying what would be more acceptable terms. Censorship is when the government does things. When a business does it it's just a free market action. They can legally do what they want for that. Doxxing itself isn't illegal as long as it doesnt use hacking or phishing. It's just what is done after that can be. Like harassment or defamation of character for example. Doxxing is done by gathering publicly available information. Just about anyone can do it. |
traedOct 26, 2017 12:53 PM
| @traed Censorship is when the government does things. No, censorship does not only involve the government, Traed. Don't be one of those.They can do what they want. They sure can, it doesn't mean it's also correct.hazarddex said: i did but if every thing supported the idea of freedom of speech we wouldn't be able to kick people off our property for putting up signs on it that we disagree with. i did You didn't, you're still going hard and light. |
Play League of Legends here! Autocrat said: Hitler was good, objectively. |
Immahnoob said: I appreciate that you called me a "liberal" and not a "progressive" or "leftist". I gladly wear "liberal" as a badge of honour.Josh said: If only MAL would stop growing, if only liberals like you would update their ideologies with what is happening right now in reality instead of relying on old, out of touch, ideas.I don't know about that. MAL allows far more explicit Nazism, white nationalism, Maoism, and (insert other extreme political ideology) than any other forum I've posted on. If this is a Plebbit forum, then what does a non-Plebbit forum look like? Stormfront? I think the far-out content that MAL allows in CE and CD drives away the majority of "normal" people, who don't have radical political opinions and can't be bothered to wade through the shit. The flight of the normal people contributes to a politically charged and "toxic" environment. Also, I'm not sure what my hypothesis about how internet forums work has to do with ideology. As a liberal, I would love it if "no rules or moderation" produced the best forums, but it doesn't. |
JoshOct 26, 2017 1:11 PM
LoneWolf said: @Josh makes me sad to call myself Canadian. |
Josh said: I did imply it as progressive though, so please do wear it as a badge of honor. Immahnoob said: I appreciate that you called me a "liberal" and not a "progressive" or "leftist". I gladly wear "liberal" as a badge of honour.If only MAL would stop growing, if only liberals like you would update their ideologies with what is happening right now in reality instead of relying on old, out of touch, ideas. |
Play League of Legends here! Autocrat said: Hitler was good, objectively. |
Phendrus said: isekai said: @Phendrus you forgot to mention about social contract that i said earlier Social contract that typically addresses the questions of the origin of society and the legitimacy of the authority of the state over the individual.[1] Social contract arguments typically posit that individuals have consented, either explicitly or tacitly, to surrender some of their freedoms and submit to the authority of the ruler or magistrate (or to the decision of a majority), in exchange for protection of their remaining rights. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_contract that alone implies we need a government to enforce that social contract in order to attain some sort of peace and order or society unlike in the jungle where anything goes (lawless jungle) We're not even talking about the same thing anymore. I'm not denying that some legal restrictions are necessary to protect people from troublemakers (i.e. we need a legal method of dealing with murderers lest they kill decent folk unchecked.) That's not what I'm arguing against. DateYutaka called Reddit's actions an attack on freedom of speech (something I'd argue against due to it being a private site, but that's immaterial at the moment.) You responded that too much freedom would lead to a "state of nature," the implication being that allowing people to freely express their beliefs in, for example, Nazism, would lead to the collapse of human civilization. THIS is what I'm arguing against: Your implicit assertion that society will be destroyed unless we have our government tell people "You're not allowed to proclaim this ideology because we don't like your beliefs and CLEARLY we're the ones in the right here." im just pointing out that too much freedom like total freedom leads to state of nature or lawlessness, its an extreme example i know but it shows that it will too much freedom more close to lawlessness the second part of my post is saying even on the internet there is too much freedom that leads to cybercrimes so what more if the internet will become the state of nature too? |
Phendrus said: isekai said: im just pointing out that too much freedom like total freedom leads to state of nature or lawlessness, its an extreme example i know but the second part of my post is saying even on the internet there is too much freedom that leads to cybercrimes so what more if the internet will become the state of nature too? So, am I to understand that the post where you quoted DateYutaka had basically nothing to do with what he said about "this is anti-free speech?" The fact that you quoted his post before saying your bit about "too much freedom is bad" made it sound like you were trying to justify censorship and the oppression of the free exchange of ideas. Was I simply misunderstanding you? I'm totally with you on the "anarchy is bad" position, just not on the "certain ideologies need to be suppressed by the government" part you seemed to be implying. im not purely anti-free speech but i am anti-free speech just to lessen cybercrimes on the internet for example |
Phendrus said: I give up. The bizarrely disconnected nature of this discussion is making my head spin trying to keep a handle on it. You win. welp ok but last thing to hopefully clear it if im gonna choose between unlimited or limited free speech then i will choose limited free speech just to have some laws that will protect some peace and order we are in a agreement there actually |
Psyotic said: isekai said: the amount of freedom on the internet alone do some real crimes like doxxing, identity theft, fake news, trolling, etc so believe me you do not want more freedom Doxxing, trolling, and fake news are not crimes. for now they are not really crimes but they are meant to damage just like any crimes and heck most forums on the internet ban trolling for example |
| why were they even allowed in the first place. |
isekai said: DateYutaka said: this is ati free speech too much freedom is not good or you will go back to the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_of_nature where there is total freedom like freedom to kill so everybody will kill too and life on those lawless freedom will be short and chaotic the amount of freedom on the internet alone do some real crimes like doxxing, identity theft, fake news, trolling, etc so believe me you do not want more freedom That's not how it works at all. |
Drunk_Samurai said: isekai said: too much freedom is not good or you will go back to the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_of_nature where there is total freedom like freedom to kill so everybody will kill too and life on those lawless freedom will be short and chaotic the amount of freedom on the internet alone do some real crimes like doxxing, identity theft, fake news, trolling, etc so believe me you do not want more freedom That's not how it works at all. pure/total freedom is lawless so killing is acceptable in a lawless situation |
Nyu said: In many places in Europe, Whites are minorities. Well too much Equality is responsible for the population problems Whites face. So too much Equality is bad, like how too much freedom is bad. >implying whites being a minority is bad |
| People who put MAL stats in their sigs are losers lol |
| I hope R/communism is the next to go. |
spuukiebuugi said: PoeticJustice said: I hope R/communism is the next to go. only good political board on reddit is TumblrInAction the rest are all garbage that is a fact link to good threads please |
PoeticJustice said: I hope R/communism is the next to go. I checked their subreddit and it's relatively tame, in fact it's very much a normal sub. Posts are usually about American foreign policy, bits of communism discussion, and current events. Don't see why it would need to be banned. |
NudeBear said: PoeticJustice said: I hope R/communism is the next to go. I checked their subreddit and it's relatively tame, in fact it's very much a normal sub. Posts are usually about American foreign policy, bits of communism discussion, and current events. Don't see why it would need to be banned. Communism is an inherently violent philosophy. They advocate the murder of the bourgeoisie and violent revolution. Just because they aren't openly talking about killing people, does not mean that the ideology isn't predicated on violence. It would be like having an ISIS subreddit but they do not talk about killing the infidels. |
PoeticJustice said: NudeBear said: I checked their subreddit and it's relatively tame, in fact it's very much a normal sub. Posts are usually about American foreign policy, bits of communism discussion, and current events. Don't see why it would need to be banned. Communism is an inherently violent philosophy. They advocate the murder of the bourgeoisie and violent revolution. Just because they aren't openly talking about killing people, does not mean that the ideology isn't predicated on violence. It would be like having an ISIS subreddit but they do not talk about killing the infidels. Eh, I don't feel like that ISIS comparison is fair but then again I don't know much about communism! |
| B-but I never use reddit! Read it laughed. BDSM community goes apeshit. B-but, okay, context is key! Also, no more calling for the deaths of rapists and communists. ;_; |
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spuukiebuugi said: and nothing of value was lost lmao this made me laugh.. good one |
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AvaG said: lol now were that come from, to give you an idea theyre calling Ben Shapiro a nazi and a white supremacist, now how does that sound Conservative Right Wing Jews with a mind of their own are the sellout Uncle Toms of Jews. |
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