| Reddit has shut down several Nazi and white supremacist subreddits after a policy change banning material that “encourages, glorifies, incites, or calls for violence or physical harm against an individual or a group of people.” The news was posted earlier today in Reddit’s moderator news forum, and commenters noted that at least 10 subreddits have been banned since then, including r/NationalSocialism, r/Nazi, and r/DylannRoofInnocent. Reddit is also banning anything that glorifies or encourages abuse of animals, including bestiality-themed subreddits. https://www.theverge.com/2017/10/25/16548958/reddit-ban-nazi-subreddit-violence-policy-change reddit is not a safe space for nazis |
DateYutaka said: this is ati free speech too much freedom is not good or you will go back to the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_of_nature where there is total freedom like freedom to kill so everybody will kill too and life on those lawless freedom will be short and chaotic the amount of freedom on the internet alone do some real crimes like doxxing, identity theft, fake news, trolling, etc so believe me you do not want more freedom |
DateYutaka said: this is ati free speech It's not the government banning them, so it's not. |
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isekai said: DateYutaka said: this is ati free speech too much freedom is not good or you will go back to the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_of_nature where there is total freedom like freedom to kill so everybody will kill too and life on those lawless freedom will be short and chaotic the amount of freedom on the internet alone do some real crimes like doxxing, identity theft, fake news, trolling, etc so believe me you do not want more freedom So I guess too much Equality is bad then, since you think too much Freedom is bad. Well the Subreddits were probably racist, if they were legitimate White Nationalist subreddits, then it was unjustified to ban them. |
Nyu said: isekai said: too much freedom is not good or you will go back to the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_of_nature where there is total freedom like freedom to kill so everybody will kill too and life on those lawless freedom will be short and chaotic the amount of freedom on the internet alone do some real crimes like doxxing, identity theft, fake news, trolling, etc so believe me you do not want more freedom So I guess too much Equality is bad then, since you think too much Freedom is bad. Well the Subreddits were probably racist, if they were legitimate White Nationalist subreddits, then it was unjustified to ban them. what is too much equality? when things are equal to each other then how that will be too much? |
isekai said: Nyu said: So I guess too much Equality is bad then, since you think too much Freedom is bad. Well the Subreddits were probably racist, if they were legitimate White Nationalist subreddits, then it was unjustified to ban them. what is too much equality? when things are equal to each other then how that will be too much? Well White countries have too much Equality, and Whites are being outpopulated because of that Equality. |
Nyu said: isekai said: what is too much equality? when things are equal to each other then how that will be too much? Well White countries have too much Equality, and Whites are being outpopulated because of that Equality. you make it sound there is more none whites there in europe today the west have declining birthrate for years and western man have low sperm count are more of a problem at the moment if you care about white supremacy |
isekai said: Nyu said: Well White countries have too much Equality, and Whites are being outpopulated because of that Equality. you make it sound there is more none whites there in europe today the west have declining birthrate for years and western man have low sperm count are more of a problem at the moment if you care about white supremacy In many places in Europe, Whites are minorities. Well too much Equality is responsible for the population problems Whites face. So too much Equality is bad, like how too much freedom is bad. |
Phendrus said: isekai said: too much freedom is not good or you will go back to the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_of_nature where there is total freedom like freedom to kill so everybody will kill too and life on those lawless freedom will be short and chaotic the amount of freedom on the internet alone do some real crimes like doxxing, identity theft, fake news, trolling, etc so believe me you do not want more freedom "Oh, sweet mother of Jiminy Cricket! We can't have them espousing the wrong ideologies! Next thing we know, it'll be total anarchy and the downfall of humanity!" Are you seriously suggesting this? Freedom from having some creep tell you what ideas and beliefs you can/can't profess is going to lead to the total collapse of human civilization? Please tell me I'm missing something here. Even if that were a legitimate risk, I far prefer a world where no overlord can tell me "You're not allowed to profess this idea because I/we say so." Forcing others to espouse/not disagree with some portion of your ideology because "Of COURSE my beliefs are the RIGHT ones!" is not only the height of hubris, but also absolutely abominable. It's an unadulterated violation of individuality and free will. On the actual topic, I don't really see any problem with Reddit enforcing their own house rules on their own site, as it's, y'know, their site. Frankly, I'm surprised they even allowed a Nazi subreddit to begin with. Also, you're aware that the Wikipedia article you linked doesn't really back up your position, right? It's just a list of theories about what life was like prior to civilization, not a "Life used to be total, horrific, murder-filled chaos!" essay. There are multiple theories in there that posit that humans are naturally social creatures, not naturally inclined to reenact that ludicrous "The Purge" movie. the key is balance we got social contract and the government to enforce it to have a society that have peace and order anyway and from that wikipedia link In this state every person has a natural right or liberty to do anything one thinks necessary for preserving one's own life; and life is "solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short" (Leviathan, Chapters XIII–XIV). Hobbes described this natural condition with the Latin phrase bellum omnium contra omnes (meaning war of all against all), in his work De Cive. |
Nyu said: isekai said: too much freedom is not good or you will go back to the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_of_nature where there is total freedom like freedom to kill so everybody will kill too and life on those lawless freedom will be short and chaotic the amount of freedom on the internet alone do some real crimes like doxxing, identity theft, fake news, trolling, etc so believe me you do not want more freedom So I guess too much Equality is bad then, since you think too much Freedom is bad. Well the Subreddits were probably racist, if they were legitimate White Nationalist subreddits, then it was unjustified to ban them. equality is a balance and you can't have to much balance as that contradiction in terms. if somethings to much one direction its no longer equal |
| "among monsters and humans, there are only two types. Those who undergo suffering and spread it to others. And those who undergo suffering and avoid giving it to others." -Alice “Beauty is no quality in things themselves: It exists merely in the mind which contemplates them; and each mind perceives a different beauty.” David Hume “Evil is created when someone gives up on someone else. It appears when everyone gives up on someone as a lost cause and removes their path to salvation. Once they are cut off from everyone else, they become evil.” -Othinus  |
DateYutaka said: this is ati free speech If you are pro-free speech doesn't make it sense to ban a movement against the freedom of speech? |
Nyu said: isekai said: you make it sound there is more none whites there in europe today the west have declining birthrate for years and western man have low sperm count are more of a problem at the moment if you care about white supremacy In many places in Europe, Whites are minorities. Well too much Equality is responsible for the population problems Whites face. So too much Equality is bad, like how too much freedom is bad. ye i get it now whites having equal rights as none whites is too much in your view since it leads to unequal population growth but need sources saying that there is equal rights for migrants and citizens there since i do not think that is the case and also the growing population of none whites there is got to do with them staying poor, like in poor countries the poor families tend to have more children anyway so its the same there with migrants @Phendrus you forgot to mention about social contract that i said earlier Social contract that typically addresses the questions of the origin of society and the legitimacy of the authority of the state over the individual.[1] Social contract arguments typically posit that individuals have consented, either explicitly or tacitly, to surrender some of their freedoms and submit to the authority of the ruler or magistrate (or to the decision of a majority), in exchange for protection of their remaining rights. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_contract that alone implies we need a government to enforce that social contract in order to attain some sort of peace and order or society unlike in the jungle where anything goes (lawless jungle) |
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Phendrus said: Not at all. Someone who is truly in favor of free speech would still advocate that people be allowed to speak against free speech. I can see the argument. However, do people really care that NAZI sub-reddit got removed from a privately owned site? |
isekai said: Reddit has shut down several Nazi and white supremacist subreddits after a policy change banning material that “encourages, glorifies, incites, or calls for violence or physical harm against an individual or a group of people.” The news was posted earlier today in Reddit’s moderator news forum, and commenters noted that at least 10 subreddits have been banned since then, including r/NationalSocialism, r/Nazi, and r/DylannRoofInnocent. Reddit is also banning anything that glorifies or encourages abuse of animals, including bestiality-themed subreddits. https://www.theverge.com/2017/10/25/16548958/reddit-ban-nazi-subreddit-violence-policy-change reddit is not a safe space for nazis Rather, it's a safe space from Nazis. Nice attempt to invert reality there. You can just as easily say communist speech is inherently violent. It's stupid in both cases, and any website that takes this line has crippled its intellectual capacity. |
AltairiusOct 25, 2017 11:32 PM
 to kill so everybody will kill too and life That's called murder, there's a law against that if you didn't know the amount of freedom on the internet alone do some real crimes like doxxing, identity theft, fake news, trolling trolling => real crime xD |
isekai said: Reddit has shut down several Nazi and white supremacist subreddits after a policy change banning material that “encourages, glorifies, incites, or calls for violence or physical harm against an individual or a group of people.” Freedom of speech doesn't protect people from hate speech, inciting violence, supporting terrorism, defamation, or true threats. |
Altairius said: isekai said: Reddit has shut down several Nazi and white supremacist subreddits after a policy change banning material that “encourages, glorifies, incites, or calls for violence or physical harm against an individual or a group of people.” The news was posted earlier today in Reddit’s moderator news forum, and commenters noted that at least 10 subreddits have been banned since then, including r/NationalSocialism, r/Nazi, and r/DylannRoofInnocent. Reddit is also banning anything that glorifies or encourages abuse of animals, including bestiality-themed subreddits. https://www.theverge.com/2017/10/25/16548958/reddit-ban-nazi-subreddit-violence-policy-change reddit is not a safe space for nazis Rather, it's a safe space from Nazis. Nice attempt to invert reality there. Planet Earth is a safe space from nazis. |
| This is it ladies and gentlemen, this is how liberty of speech ends. |
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Nico- said: And the culture that comes from Plebbit is a degenerate plague spreading everywhere on the Internet. I'd say MAL's case is beyond repair regarding the Plebbit virus. Oh, I wouldn't be so sure. They may have the numbers, but we have the memes. The Wild West nature of the internet is what made it great. If one major site bans a certain idea, the idea simply spreads elsewhere, and with just that much more of a cool factor. |
AvaG said: nazi, white supremacist = white person who doesnt vote liberal. Dude, stop playing the victim card. Nobody thinks people are Nazis simply for not voting Liberal, you are just being hysterical. |
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worldeditor11 said: Just like those guys in MAL who have Hitler as one of their favourite characters. As i was told it is not against te rules of the site, but kitchens apparently are. |
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AvaG said: Bobby2Hands said: Dude, stop playing the victim card. Nobody thinks people are Nazis simply for not voting Liberal, you are just being hysterical. lol "hysterical", you guys sure like using the words used to describe you people huh? i think this is called projection :D And what "people" am I exactly? |
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DateYutaka said: This, as much as I hate nazi punks I don’t think all of the things listed in the OP (e.g. glorying violence) fall under the category of ”inciting direct violence”.as long as it does not incite dorect vioclnce i think its ok and ia gree with common law like no murder and alike |
 Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
| They should just ban the ones that incite violence or organise mass threats and plan terrorist attacks or just other shitty behaviour. It's a private business so if any of you don't like it stop supporting capitalism. DateYutaka said: this is ati free speech No, it's freedom of expression and freedom of association of the site owner. If you ban me from drawing dicks on your face with a sharpie are you suppressing my free speech? |
AvaG said: the unhappy and ugly used as tools for people who in reality actually never gave a fuck about you? Are you talking about le evil jews? You forgot the ((( ))) meme BS |
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traed said: They should just ban the ones that incite violence or organise mass threats and plan terrorist attacks or just other shitty behaviour. It's a private business so if any of you don't like it stop supporting capitalism. Yeah. This is where you slip in "ideas I find to be threats to my worldview". Okay, but you don't support capitalism. DateYutaka said: this is ati free speech No, it's freedom of expression and freedom of association of the site owner. If you ban me from drawing dicks on your face with a sharpie are you suppressing my free speech? Or maybe you do? And you support freedom of association? I'm pretty sure you don't, and I think you know where I would go with this. Anyway, I would say large sites like reddit (the front page of the internet?) are effectively the public forum. |
| Reddit is private company so they can do what they want. I'd never go there to discuss politics in the first place anyway. |
| rebbit has alway belonged in trash nothting but gigantic hive of groupthink & upvoat seeking |
isekai said: the amount of freedom on the internet alone do some real crimes like doxxing, identity theft, fake news, trolling, etc so believe me you do not want more freedom Doxxing, trolling, and fake news are not crimes. spuukiebuugi said: and nothing of value was lost Not yet anyway. But given how much corporations are now controlling the direction of public discourse, any sort of fringe viewpoints are bound to be shut down eventually. |
| People who put MAL stats in their sigs are losers lol |
At some point you don't even know where to start with people like @isekai and @traed.  |
Play League of Legends here! Autocrat said: Hitler was good, objectively. |
| Meh And gross beastiality |
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Nico- said: I don't know about that. MAL allows far more explicit Nazism, white nationalism, Maoism, and (insert other extreme political ideology) than any other forum I've posted on. If this is a Plebbit forum, then what does a non-Plebbit forum look like? Stormfront?I'd say MAL's case is beyond repair regarding the Plebbit virus. I think the far-out content that MAL allows in CE and CD drives away the majority of "normal" people, who don't have radical political opinions and can't be bothered to wade through the shit. The flight of the normal people contributes to a politically charged and "toxic" environment. |
LoneWolf said: @Josh makes me sad to call myself Canadian. |
Are you actually defending doxxing. |
| What's the problem here exactly? it's their website, they decide what they're okay with and what they're not. If tomorrow they decide that anyone who writes "carrots" will be banned, and that anyone complaining about that new rule will have his account deleted, they can do it, it's privately owned so there is no such thing as "free speech" to be enforced there. If someone is unhappy about a restriction, all he has to do is move on another website that fits his/her needs/opinions more, and that's it. Nothing to see here, move on. |
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| r/BookBurningForHarambe Actually come to think of it, there was something like this once upon a time. A politically active group that shut down dissent and called all forms of criticism degenerate and violent. Hmm...what were their names again?  https://www.ushmm.org/collections/bibliography/1933-book-burnings |
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| It didn't take long for a website's moderation policy to be compared to one of the most gruesome examples of government censorship from the Nazi regime. Talk about exaggeration. |
| Godwin's law to its finest. We can objectively close this thread now that it's been reached. |
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