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| THIS IS A MANGA ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS ANYTHING BEYOND THIS CHAPTER. ---------------------------------------- An early chapter which is a nice surprise! Not surprised Perospero survived by seems Pedro is very likely dead. Dat ending has me hyped! |
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| Oh shit, Luffy is about to take on Katakuri. I'm assuming Katakuri is stronger than Cracker, so it should be interesting to see how Luffy fares against him considering how hard it was for him to beat Cracker. Also it was cool to see Roger in that flashback with Pedro. |
| People on MAL refuse to actually enjoy watching anime. Your taste in anime isn't a personality trait. MAL is literally just anime Twitter as its own website lol. |
| Shit, that was Epic <3 Luffy vs Katakuri !!!!! |
| HOLY SHIT! Oda tends to consistently remind me why One Piece is the best! This has to go down as one of Luffys most epic moment. Pedro really looked up to Roger, hey! Nice little background. Mentioning Jinbei with his whole crew feelt so nice. But man Luffy, fuckin hell! This should be awesome to see. But I'm wondering how this arc is gonna conclude, finish the Revierie arc and start Wano Arc withing this year? We have about 14 chapters left for the year, with Oda taking breaks after each 4 chapters. Gonna be tight |
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| Man, Luffy's character has been excellent since Zou. This arc has made me remember what made him so endearing in the first place and chapters like this do great job of showing the Bon Clay/Ace sacrifices stuck with him a lot harder than people give Oda credit for. But on the other hand, the high chance that 90% of this is going to be offscreened has me pretty conflicted. MC facing off against a foil with similar abilities is one of my favorite tropes in fiction but if it'll break the flow of the story I'd get even more upset. |
OldBayFanSep 13, 2017 4:54 AM
| Great chapter & nice colour page. Poor Carrot. Perospero survived. Thousand Sunny & the others managed to escape. Luffy staying behind. Luffy vs Kakakuri. Excited for this. |
"I’ve set myself to become the King of the Pirates…and if I die trying…then at least I tried!" Monkey D. Luffy (One Piece) |
| Amazing and intense chapter with Luffy dragging Katakuri into the mirror world and keep him in check so the crew can escape. Pedro seems to be dead but I'm not sure yet since this is One Piece we are talking about. Hyped to see Luffy vs Katakuri. |
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| Excited about Luffy vs. Katakuri. It'll be a tough battle but exciting at the same time. |
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| Got kinda confused about what is going on at times... but epic ending so who cares |
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| Art was a bit confusing at times but a good chapter nonetheless. Peros lost an arm in the explosion. Color me surprised, I didn't think explosions had genuine effects on people in this manga. Pedro is still not dead though. And why did Katakuri not see the explosion coming? Also, now that Luffy is inside the mirror world with Katakuri, how will he win? Please no Gear Fifth. Gear Fourth is still new. |
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| Since Katakuri is mochi, can't Luffy melt him with Red Hawk? And then maybe scatter his pieces across the island with the mirrors? Well, we'll see... we don't know the full extent of Mochi Mochi no Mi's abilities and disadvantages yet. |
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MoonStar9 said: Art was a bit confusing at times but a good chapter nonetheless. Peros lost an arm in the explosion. Color me surprised, I didn't think explosions had genuine effects on people in this manga. Pedro is still not dead though. And why did Katakuri not see the explosion coming? Also, now that Luffy is inside the mirror world with Katakuri, how will he win? Please no Gear Fifth. Gear Fourth is still new. Pedro is dead mate. If he doesn't die then the whole mini flashback and Carrot's grief would be narratively useless. And no, "this is One Piece" is not an argument. |
| Holy shit what a chapter! Love it when Luffy acts like the captain. Nothing better than a Roger flashback too. I bet once Luffy defeats Katakuri he'll end up on the Germa ship. Ngl thought Luffy was about to shout "Gear 5th" at the end there. It definitely looked like it before I scrolled down. Glad he didn't. Wouldn't mind a new gear 4th form, though.  |
| @SuperRed Morayne said: MoonStar9 said: Art was a bit confusing at times but a good chapter nonetheless. Peros lost an arm in the explosion. Color me surprised, I didn't think explosions had genuine effects on people in this manga. Pedro is still not dead though. If Peros lost an arm in the explosion, where do you see that Pedro survived? I mean, chance is always there if we don't see the corpse. But maybe the explosion really did blow him up if even Peros lost an arm while using candy armor. As you said, there is no body, plus his whole flashback was dedicated to it not being his time yet. But even more evidence to the point, Luffy said this. Pedro is not dead. Morayne said: MoonStar9 said: And why did Katakuri not see the explosion coming? As shown in earlier chapters about him, when it's something that he isn't able to stop, then he just lets things happen. With him being surprised he probably couldn't believe it even when he saw it with his eyes. Possibly shock. Perhaps, but he was shocked at it happening, not that it would happen. There weren't even any hints to him trying to brace for the explosion that would free the ship or try to stop it. He should have seen it happen and tried to stop Pedro beforehand. He saw that Luffy would KO the lackies with Haoshoku and sent them into the mirror world so why didn't he immediately see the explosion happening and try to stop Pedro immediately? It's not a big deal but it does raise a question here. |
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MoonStar9 said: As you said, there is no body, plus his whole flashback was dedicated to it not being his time yet. But even more evidence to the point, Luffy said this. Pedro is not dead. I took Luffy's comment on that as a "He did it for us, we shouldn't let this opportunity go to waste"-thing. As in, they could never face him again if they didn't use their chance after he sacrificed himself. Maybe it's the translation's fault. MoonStar9 said: There weren't even any hints to him trying to brace for the explosion that would free the ship or try to stop it. He should have seen it happen and tried to stop Pedro beforehand. He saw that Luffy would KO the lackies with Haoshoku and sent them into the mirror world so why didn't he immediately see the explosion happening and try to stop Pedro immediately? It's not a big deal but it does raise a question here. Now that I see the image again, he may be shocked at Peros losing an arm as he couldn't tell before. I just read the previous chapter again and Luffy occupied him by attacking him. Pretty sure he does need to concentrate at least a bit to use his Haki and since Luffy held him off, he may have not seen what Pedro tried immediately. |
Morayne said: MoonStar9 said: As you said, there is no body, plus his whole flashback was dedicated to it not being his time yet. But even more evidence to the point, Luffy said this. Pedro is not dead. I took Luffy's comment on that as a "He did it for us, we shouldn't let this opportunity go to waste"-thing. As in, they could never face him again if they didn't use their chance after he sacrificed himself. Maybe it's the translation's fault. That would have been my takeaway from the line as well but only had he been confirmed dead, and not only is it left vague, but there's also his flashback theme of his time to shine not coming yet. It's not Oda's style to kill someone off, to begin with but using suicide as their highlighting moment is even more absurd for him. This whole chapter to me was basically Oda telling the readers Pedro will come back. Morayne said: MoonStar9 said: There weren't even any hints to him trying to brace for the explosion that would free the ship or try to stop it. He should have seen it happen and tried to stop Pedro beforehand. He saw that Luffy would KO the lackies with Haoshoku and sent them into the mirror world so why didn't he immediately see the explosion happening and try to stop Pedro immediately? It's not a big deal but it does raise a question here. Now that I see the image again, he may be shocked at Peros losing an arm as he couldn't tell before. I just read the previous chapter again and Luffy occupied him by attacking him. Pretty sure he does need to concentrate at least a bit to use his Haki and since Luffy held him off, he may have not seen what Pedro tried immediately. Maybe, maybe not. Its the issue you always encounter with characters that can predict the future. You'll always ask why they didn't see this or do that. |
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| I think pedro is dead :( I think What you got your own time to shine means that pedro already show it by save the mugiwara crew with sacrificing his own life.. |
| Pedro sacrifice himself to help everyone to escape. :'( Yooo that ending, can't wait for the next one. ~ 5/5 |
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Morayne said: Isterio said: Well how about terrible writing then? Remember when Connis griefed her father for him to magically come back? Remember when Luffy griefed Sabo for him to magically come back? Remember when Bon Clay was griefed to magically come back? Remember when Vivi griefed the Nuketanker and he magically came back? Remember how tragically Punk Hazard was supposed to be and literally everyone magically came back? Yeah though so! Ot: Good chapter 5/5 Pell was originally supposed to die, but Oda let him live because the twin tower attacks happened just as he wrote the chapters about him sacrificing himself with the bomb, flying from the tower. He also dedicated a special coverpage towards it, being the only mangaka in Japan to directly reference the attacks. Bon Clay survived because Magellan is not a terrible person or killer and would rather imprison people than killing them, as he believes in punishment. Vergo and Monet are dead, so "everyone magically came back" is not true. You can´t even dismantle half of my examples and one of the two you try to bring up is a blatant lie Do you even read One Piece? The One Piece fanbases delusions are only compareable to this guy: |
IsterioSep 13, 2017 7:32 AM
| That was awesome, amazing chapter. Pero survived with his blown away and Pedro's death is still left vague. :( I loved Pedro's flashback to his conversation with Roger about getting his time to shine and I also really like @TheEnhancedExe theory regarding what Oda might be referring to with the whole 'chance' to shine theme. The part with Carrot going after Katakuri with tears and remembering what Pedro said to her is incredibly sad. :( Loved it when Luffy took charge saying that Sunny will sail since he's the captain and he said so. Luffy ftw! Also Kaimon said: Man, Luffy's character has been excellent since Zou. This arc has made me remember what made him so endearing in the first place and chapters like this do great job of showing the Bon Clay/Ace sacrifices stuck with him a lot harder than people give Oda credit for. Seconding this. Really excited for Luffy vs Katakuri. |
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Isterio said: SuperRed said: Pedro is dead mate. If he doesn't die then the whole mini flashback and Carrot's grief would be narratively useless. And no, "this is One Piece" is not an argument. Well how about terrible writing then? Remember when Connis griefed her father for him to magically come back? Remember when Luffy griefed Sabo for him to magically come back? Remember when Bon Clay was griefed to magically come back? Remember when Vivi griefed the Nuketanker and he magically came back? Remember how tragically Punk Hazard was supposed to be and literally everyone magically came back? Remember when the Strawhats were shocked that Igaram got blown up by Robin? Yeah though so! Ot: Good chapter 5/5 You think Oda is a bad writer who will always repeat his mistakes, thanks but I'm giving Oda the benefit of the doubt until shown otherwise. None of those characters had a mini flashback tying them to Roger immediately before their sacrifice with a "they are the ones who will succeed us" theme. I think this particular scenario is different from others Oda has done, even Perospero with a shield lost an arm, Pedro who is weaker than Pero took the blast directly and if he isn't dead he should at at the very least be missing a quarter of his body and about to die from blood loss. |
| Holy shit that ending was so damn hype!!! Luffyyyyyy!! The amount of maturity he showed this chp was amazing |
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| What an incredible chapter! The part with Pedros past and Carrot trying to fight Katakuri was so emotional.. And damn, this has to be one of Luffys most epic actions ever, couldn't sit still during the last pages. Luffy vs Katakuri is going to be lit af. |
One Piece episode 914 & 915 & 1027 were a mistake and 957 brought the salvation - FMmatron |
| Wew, looking forward to Luffy's fight against Katakuri! I also feel like Pedro isn't dead.. |
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| Great chapter!! Luffy was amazing in this chapter, my love for Luffy is back. Art was a bit shaky, especially on the ship, also when Luffy called out everyone's name, reminded me of the Lougetown mini arc. The last page is so hyped. I'm so ready for this fight. Looks like Pedro is dead (hopefully... tho I still have my doubts). I'm excited for next weak. |
| Pedro might be dead or not, who knows. Luffy cannot take out katakuri, he will probably make a deal with luffy. |
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| I'm extremely surprised. Luffy did something clever. What the hell !? Extremely surprised in a very good way. Long time I didnt give One Piece 5/5. Good Job Oda ! |
| holy fuck, shit just got real. can Luffy survive alone in enemy turf!? I wonder how will he manage to escape from mirror world though. |
| it was more epic than i tough! |
 "If taking responsibility for a mistake that cannot be undone means death, it's not that hard to die. At least, not as hard as to live on." |
| Crazy chapter, but that ending was hype! Luffy and Katakuri are going to face off inside the Mirror World! Never expected that place to become their battlefield, but doesn't matter. This is going to be awesome! |
| As far as I'm concerned, Sanji isn't back on the ship either. |
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