One Piece Chapter 871 Discussion

Kafka98 said:


what i mean is that he say that so easily. for him, kaido just like just some another step to before beatin' up bigmom

Ryunuosuke said:

Hahahah this is awesome XD

Judge: "Thank you for loving me"
Sanji: "I don't love you"
Judge: ......
Sanji: .......
Judge dies.
Perfect outcome heh.

frankykun13 said:
Didn't expect one of CP-0 to show up here
what with that nickname ? queen of pleasure quarter ?seriously
Is that bird that usually give newspaper ?
dirty play from government like usual

spineless + pirate king , double bait to Luffy xD
from the result , Is luffy too tired ?only can land a single punch ?
this also show their differences right now I guess
Gear 4 Luffy can beat Doflamingo and Cracker
but the Yonko itself is another entirely different level

Azegi said:
Dressrosa arc was full of drawn out fights. I like concise battles much more though

Taito10 said:


Most of fights were one shots (with off panels), except final fight.

Isterio said:
. It´s too much buildup and no payoff, especially in the fighting section.

Taito10 said:


Most of fights were one shots (with off panels), except final fight.

Dahaka_ said:


bad news from recent interview

- ONE PIECE has more characters than before. He has to cram much information into one chapter to move forward with the story. Oda says he would be able to draw really impressive fight scenes only if he could keep drawing the fight scene for 2 chapters in a row. He feels ONE PIECE can now spend only 1 chapter at most on a fight scene.

HalibelTheEspada said:


Out of the maybe 30+ fights, the only ones that were finished in an instant off the top of my head were Pica (which was still drawn out over quite a few chapters, it just took him a while to land a direct hit.. because Pica was more deceptive than outright powerful), Dellinger (who just got finished wrecking a ton of people before Cavendish got to him), and Sugar (who was heavily guarded, and doesn't seem to be a fighter at all). Some of the Colosseum fights were not shown for obvious reasons, but the major ones were. Just to name some major fights in Dressrosa that were not done in a single blow:

• Luffy vs Chinjao
• Doflamingo / Fujitora vs. Law
• Franky vs Senor Pink
• Law vs Trebol
• Pretty much every fight vs Machvise
• Cavendish / Bartolomeo vs. Gladius
• Lao G vs. Chinjao -> Sai
• Diamante vs Rebecca -> Kyros

So yeah, there have been a few fights that ended quickly, but the majority of the fights have been drawn-out and taken a lot of blows. And I know you weren't the one who said "since the time-skip' but still, I'm pretty sure Luffy vs Hody Jones was the longest fight in the series... except maybe the fight against Enel.

If you just don't like those kinds of fights that's one thing, but it's definitely false to say that's how most of them have been. Personally I think these are needed sometimes, to show the overwhelming difference between the two parties. I would've been a bit disappointed if Luffy could take on Big Mom at this point. If Doflamingo, someone who believes himself to be above the entire world, is deathly afraid of Kaidou... then someone with the same title as him should be a whole other level above Doflamingo.

animalia said:
@Isterio

I have a question about Enis Lobby vs Dressorsa pacing. How many people here read Enis Lobby weekly, or went back and re-readDressrossa in bulk/volume format once they finished reading it's initial print run? Dressrossa, while still problematic, becomes much less so when you read it in volume format, and Enis Lobby had a LOT of build up, and multi-chapter parts as well.

Also it was pretty clear that Dressrossa is about establishing the Straw Hat Grand Fleet so that when they are re-introduced later we will be familiar with those characters and already have a connection with them. Also they kept hyping up not just in that arc, but to a lesser degree in arcs before that about the IMPORTANCE OF ALLANCES. Remember what Mihawk said back in Marineford about Luffy? "He has the power to make anyone into an ALLY, On these seas that is the most FORMIDABLE WEAPON there can be." Also Whitebeard wasn't just strong because of his crew, he had a huge ALLIED PIRATE FLEET behind him. In fact you can argue that Marineford was in many ways LAYING THE GROUNDWORK for Dressrossa. So why I will NOT DENY the Dressrossa arc and problems. The whole bait and switch character focus on Rebecca and Kyros for example. The allies getting their own fights WAS NOT one off them to anyone who paid attention to the narrative structure of One Piece.

Isterio said:


I have done both. One Piece and Shounen in general are better read in bulk, because Shounen authors repeat their content to remind newcomers of what´s happned, hence "the Nami: Luffy is fighting the bad guy. or Sakura: Naruto will die if he keeps fighting" etc.
Alot of annoyances are more bearable when read in volume format, but also alot of twists or highlights are in the middle of the volume so it´s no panacea to let One Piece pile up. Regardles, it´s better whatever arc you read.

Point B: It was only established at the very end of the arc therefore we the jump audience and anyone who reads the volumes has not awaited for said reveal. There was some foreshadowing and even clarification once Orlumbus talked about giving Luffy his fleet but hear me out.

B.2: What´s the purpose of a fleet in One Piece? What does a fleet of fodder guys accomplish against a fighter of Mihawks level? Mind you,most of the One Piece community argues that Mihawk is below the Yonkou in strength and if you´ve forgotten what he does to fleets read the Baratie arc again.
Personally I wasn´t excited upon the introduction of the Grand Fleet in the slightest because this was my immediate thought upon it´s introduction. The excitment over Luffy gaining a fleet was artificially constructed by Oda telling you to be excited for it.
He gained over 5000 worthless soldiers under the command of Orlumbus and a dozen capable fighters who have been named, but aren´t worth much too.

B 3:Either the colosseum guys from Dressrosa never get to shine again because Oda has to make room for the Strawhats and/or new characters he introduced, or alternatively they´ll eat up time and all of them, including the Strawhats, get off screen fights so that everyone gets to do something.
Do you want that? Do you want either of those options? Sacrifice Strawhat screentime for some random guys Luffy saved on Dressrosa to have another fight?
Is that what you want. Does it excite you to know that Sanji will bake another cake so that Blue Gilli can defeat a vice admiral off screen with his kicks?
Is it more interesting to have a proper 3 chapter fight for Zorro or have Bartolomeo trolling and then oneshot a guy with his barriers after he took tremendous damage all the chapters before?

Because One Piece is ending, no matter how fans want to slice it 75% is 75% it´s 298 chapters away from the finishing line and I don´t see Oda packing everything he´s promised in a proper way in those chapters. Yes miracles happen and a 1/3 game of football turns into a 4/3 by the end, but those are exceptions.
That´s all i have to say about the "IMPORTANCE" of the grand fleet and alliances.

jordan_d_dragon said:
When big mom call you that thing you know you dangerous