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Laionidas said: CG-Silver said: - Not original, almost to the point that it felt copied. Therefore one of the best parts of watching anime which is the "starting feel" felt boring and uninteresting to me. Yup, I didn't even like the starting episode. - Compared to SnK, action is mediocre at best. SnK had my blood pumped up in every fight. However, this was bland in every aspect. - 2 good OSTs that I noticed while SnK was crowded with amazing OSTs. I'm a pleb watcher and all these things bothered me so I was quite generous in giving this a 4/10 though it had no redeeming qualities except for a few good OSTs and mediocre action sequences. I could mention a lot more only if I ever wanted to remember this again. This proves my point precisely. You actually liked the OST, but use it here as a point of critic as SnK had more. The action was mediocre, because SnK’s was better. You didn’t like the starting episode, yet continued to watch and hate on the show for a full season. You didn’t rate this show, from day one you used this show to strengthen your rating of SnK. Wait, what? You claim that giving SnK a higher rating than KnK is hypocritical and when someone explains why they did that, you still complain? I gave SnK a 9 and while I haven't rated KnK yet, I wouldn't give it more than a 5 or a 6. Forget the comparisons and forget Biba; this show was full of plot holes and conveniences from the very beginning. Take a look at the discussion threads, people have pointed out really stupid shit in every episode. I went "bullshit" every few minutes and found the characters extremely dumb. It was quite entertaining, yes, but only when watching it with a friend and turning our brains off, laughing at all the goofs and decisions the characters made. |
Laionidas said: I think the two points about the characters are more or less one single point, and I disagree with it as well. We could probably debate it to no end, I also absolutely loved the art style. These are very subjective opinions though, and all of them are valid points. They are two different points. I didn't like the stereotypes of the characters in the first feel because it felt copied from AoT i.e Mikasa/Levi=Mumei, Ikoma=Eren. But when they started making Mumei's character different from Mikasa, that is develope her characters more, it was done so badly. Like I said, unnaturally. These points are subjective but I guess a majority do feel the same because only bad writing leads to this. Laionidas said: These make sense individually, but in combination not so much. What it basically boils down to is that cliché is fine if the execution is, but the execution is not fine if it includes cliché’s,.. how? You're mixing up things. "Execution of Cliche things", not execution of the whole show in general. Now I can post some Gintama spoilers to make you understand how cliche is done correctly but I'd rather not. Secondly excluding the cliche scenes, the series had terrible execution of the plot in general, switching from one thing to another. Yes, this is where Biba comes in. The first goal that I understood from the series was to survive from the Kabane? Then what, making Mumei human? Or what, killing Biba ..... what the hell happened to finishing off the Kabane and finding solution to prevent it's spreading? Or maybe I didn't pay attention at the last since I almost slept and with Mumei being saved, every problem was solved? I really didn't pay too much attention at the ending because I didn't care but I'd appreciate some answers, whether they were eradicated from earth not not. Laionidas said: Again the example Ipresented earlier: if plot originally warants such a drop in rating, then why is Code Geass (R2) still in everyone’s favourites, including yours, after it literally took its main plot point AND theme straight from Gundam Wing? There are shows that sorely dissapointed me in the second half or final episode of a season, e.g. Ald Noah Zero, BokuMachi, etc.. However, I didn’t hate on them from the first episode, and actually both examples still managed to get a 6 for the parts I did like. If a show is at a 2 or a 3 from the onset, I’ll drop it. Unlike Gundam, giant robots and war has been a thing for very long time. But releasing right after SnK, from the same studio and the same people, KnK was made. Now that is a guaranteed copy. It's starting is similar to SnK's. But was Code Geass's starting similar to any of the Gundam Wing which took away the "starting feel"? Dunno, I haven't watched it yet. But what I can sat is that, Code Geass had a character for me to get engaged with the story. I couldn't care less about fighting in giant robots or fighting by guns etc, because the thing people saw in Code Geass was the story of revenge mixed with spowerpower element. As for the second half disappointment. Dunno about BokuDake but have watched Aldnoah Zero. Gave the second season a 6/10 because it still had the same characters from the first season and they kept me engaged in the show (as I said, characters are the most important thing to me) unlike certain someone. Also there was no point in hating them from the first episode because they still had fraction of a original feel to them though I know which show it did try to become. Laionidas said: This proves my point precisely. You actually liked the OST, but use it here as a point of critic as SnK had more. The action was mediocre, because SnK’s was better. You didn’t like the starting episode, yet continued to watch and hate on the show for a full season. You didn’t rate this show, from day one you used this show to strengthen your rating of SnK. Read back and you'll find it was you who wanted it to compare to SnK and know why couldn't it reach SnK's glory. As I said, these "merits" manage to make this a 4/10 rather than a 2-3/10. End of discussion. |
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kamisama751 said: On_the_Lam said: There's a difference between good critique and nitpicking. The latter is what you've mostly done while Kabaneri was on-air. I don't deny that I am nitpicking in these threads but how does that lead to me being not allowed to post that? These are episode discussion threads and we discuss about everything it got. Nothing wrong with nitpicking, or posting about it. I'm actually quite a fan of that. The problem is with passing conclusive judgment on a show, based on said nitpicking, especially if it's not done consistently for every other show. SunkenShip said: Wait, what? You claim that giving SnK a higher rating than KnK is hypocritical and when someone explains why they did that, you still complain? I gave SnK a 9 and while I haven't rated KnK yet, I wouldn't give it more than a 5 or a 6. Forget the comparisons and forget Biba; this show was full of plot holes and conveniences from the very beginning. Take a look at the discussion threads, people have pointed out really stupid shit in every episode. I went "bullshit" every few minutes and found the characters extremely dumb. It was quite entertaining, yes, but only when watching it with a friend and turning our brains off, laughing at all the goofs and decisions the characters made. Nope, I didn't say that. I complain about people giving KnK a rating of <4, just because it is not SnK. Even if it does not reflect my personal preference, rating SnK higher than KnK is perfectly fine, as is rating KnK with a ‘5 or a 6’. CG-Silver said: They are two different points. I didn't like the stereotypes of the characters in the first feel because it felt copied from AoT i.e Mikasa/Levi=Mumei, Ikoma=Eren. But when they started making Mumei's character different from Mikasa, that is develope her characters more, it was done so badly. Like I said, unnaturally. These points are subjective but I guess a majority do feel the same because only bad writing leads to this. So you first established Mumei = Mikasa/Levi, which you hold against her as a character. Then, when she turns out nor to be Mikasa/Levi,.. you hold that against her? And please don’t tell me you think Mikasa was not a badly developped character. Levi I can get behind, he has his fortes, but Mikasa,.. CG-Silver said: You're mixing up things. "Execution of Cliche things", not execution of the whole show in general. Now I can post some Gintama spoilers to make you understand how cliche is done correctly but I'd rather not. Secondly excluding the cliche scenes, the series had terrible execution of the plot in general, switching from one thing to another. Yes, this is where Biba comes in. The first goal that I understood from the series was to survive from the Kabane? Then what, making Mumei human? Or what, killing Biba ..... what the hell happened to finishing off the Kabane and finding solution to prevent it's spreading? Or maybe I didn't pay attention at the last since I almost slept and with Mumei being saved, every problem was solved? I really didn't pay too much attention at the ending because I didn't care but I'd appreciate some answers, whether they were eradicated from earth not not. So either you should have paid a bit more attention, or you don’t get the concept of an open ending. The kabane were there and still are. What’s confusing about that? CG-Silver said: Unlike Gundam, giant robots and war has been a thing for very long time. But releasing right after SnK, from the same studio and the same people, KnK was made. Now that is a guaranteed copy. It's starting is similar to SnK's. But was Code Geass's starting similar to any of the Gundam Wing which took away the "starting feel"? Dunno, I haven't watched it yet. But what I can sat is that, Code Geass had a character for me to get engaged with the story. I couldn't care less about fighting in giant robots or fighting by guns etc, because the thing people saw in Code Geass was the story of revenge mixed with spowerpower element. I wasn’t talking about the ‘giant robots’ themselves. CG-Silver said: As for the second half disappointment. Dunno about BokuDake but have watched Aldnoah Zero. Gave the second season a 6/10 because it still had the same characters from the first season and they kept me engaged in the show (as I said, characters are the most important thing to me) unlike certain someone. Also there was no point in hating them from the first episode because they still had fraction of a original feel to them though I know which show it did try to become. Read back and you'll find it was you who wanted it to compare to SnK and know why couldn't it reach SnK's glory. As I said, these "merits" manage to make this a 4/10 rather than a 2-3/10. End of discussion. I could read back forum discussions of all twelve episodes and not come to that conclusion. It’s not about how much glory which show gets, its about double standards. You are again insinuating that KnK tried to ‘become’ SnK. If you start out from that premise, then conclude it does not become SnK, then yeah it’s going to dissappoint. It’s kinda like a self fullfilling prophecy. |
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Laionidas said: I could read back forum discussions of all twelve episodes and not come to that conclusion. It’s not about how much glory which show gets, its about double standards. You are again insinuating that KnK tried to ‘become’ SnK. If you start out from that premise, then conclude it does not become SnK, then yeah it’s going to dissappoint. It’s kinda like a self fullfilling prophecy. Dude how clueless can you be? What I wrote is not rocket science that you can't understand the point. The reason I'm comparing it to SnK is because you're complaining, " Muh people double standards, SnK 10/10 and KnK 4/10, hypocrite bla bla bla". FFS get the point already that even a pleb like me who likes mainstream stuff hates this show because it was badly written. How many times do I need to mention thi simple logic. Laionidas said: So you first established Mumei = Mikasa/Levi, which you hold against her as a character. Then, when she turns out nor to be Mikasa/Levi,.. you hold that against her? And please don’t tell me you think Mikasa was not a badly developped character. Levi I can get behind, he has his fortes, but Mikasa,.. SnK got a 9/10 from me because of characterisation. The characterisation was not bad, but it didn't even exist for Mikasa which is the primary flaw in SnK. SnK lacks character development, most of the characters are too one-dimensional. However, they aren't unbearable cause they don't even have an impact. It's the mysteries (a whole lot of them), soundtracks, animation, concept, conflicts and lastly enjoyment that makes SnK a 9/10 for me. Simply putting, it's interesting. Laionidas said: So either you should have paid a bit more attention, or you don’t get the concept of an open ending. The kabane were there and still are. What’s confusing about that? Nothing's confusing but the last episode was getting praise which I couldn't find so I though maybe while defeating the big monster, the source for Kabane's maybe destroyed or some shit. But guess what, it didn't even pay attention to the most important goal of the anime ....... |
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LauraBirdie said: Despite everything I feel like WIT Studio deserves a medal for pulling of a production like this. The past couple of years I've seen so many shows become the victim of the way the industry works, this finale was nothing but spectacular. It kind of irritates me to see that many people keep overlooking the production values on this thing, just because the entire show doesn't look like the first two episodes, which was impossible from the start. Yes, the story and the writing aren't the best, but I was here for the (steampunk feudal japan zombie) setting, the art and animation and the music, and I enjoyed myself immensely. That's the only credit it gets from me. Sawano Hiroyuki and WIT studio, though their efforts were wasted, I still appreciate them. |
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CG-Silver said: Dude how clueless can you be? What I wrote is not rocket science that you can't understand the point. The reason I'm comparing it to SnK is because you're complaining, " Muh people double standards, SnK 10/10 and KnK 4/10, hypocrite bla bla bla". My remark was a reference to earlier posts by others. I mentioned several other anime to illustrate the double standards argument. I've also specifically stated several times that it's not about which show is better, but about how a show is rated next to another. Finally I never called anyone a hypocrite, just pretentious. CG-Silver said: FFS get the point already that even a pleb like me who likes mainstream stuff hates this show because it was badly written. How many times do I need to mention thi simple logic. Calling yourself a pleb,.. that's just so hipster. CG-Silver said: But guess what, it didn't even pay attention to the most important goal of the anime ....... Well brilliant, who's fault is that? |
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| So BIBA used his white blood to save Ikoma?? Im i right?? It was a really great series there will be season 2?? |
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Laionidas said: Calling yourself a pleb,.. that's just so hipster. SAO 9/10 AoT 9/10 NGNL 9/10 Guilty crown 9/10 Bleach 8/10 Fairy Tail 8/10 That's pleb enough considered by MAL standards, wouldn't you agree? Laionidas said: Well brilliant, who's fault is that? In case if you misunderstood it, I was saying it's the anime's fault that it didn't even care about it's primary goal i.e find a solution to survive Kabane, lol |
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| Thank god Biba finally died. I gave this show 6/10, but 2 additional points were for music and just music. |
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Elanin said: That's right. He shot it into Ikoma (right after Mumei woke up) because he became ashamed of his cowardly attempt to kill Ikoma (who had lost his vision) from behind and wanted to redeem himself by having a fair fight.So BIBA used his white blood to save Ikoma?? Im i right?? It was a really great series there will be season 2?? |
Phoebe3315 said: Elanin said: That's right. He shot it into Ikoma (right after Mumei woke up) because he became ashamed of his cowardly attempt to kill Ikoma (who had lost his vision) from behind and wanted to redeem himself by having a fair fight.So BIBA used his white blood to save Ikoma?? Im i right?? It was a really great series there will be season 2?? Thanks for the answer dude! My cousin guest it xD |
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| Biggest disappointment of the season for me (more than Mayoiga). I thought this anime was going to be one of the best of the season. I liked the premise and thought the story was going to be about their struggle to live and fight the hordes of kabanes, but it turned out kabanes became secondary. Even before Biba appearance, the anime was already disappointing. That episode with that dual wielding kabane...i thought Ikoma was going to do something coll to kill it, but it was so lame the way they killed that kabane. 6/10 and is more than fair. |
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| Good start, generic shit ending. 5/10. I was really hyped about this when it's started, but now I just want to forget it. Way to fuck up. |
| how to destroy a show with the introduction of one character (biba-sama)? Kabaneri just showed to us with this last episodes. At this point, it was obvious that the end would be cringeworthy. What a disappointment! After this biba appeared evertything became so predictable and cliche. I hate characters that are so op in everything but honestly there is no reason to biba sama be so. I have already saw villains that are so much more interesting that him, but they were not op. My impression is that they tried to create the most op character ever to show what a bad guy he can be. But i don't think that's the way to create a really good villain. |
| 2/10 Most unintentional amusing anime that I've ever seen. That badass Ikoma entrance where there isn't nothing badass about it will always remain in my mind. Glad I've watched you kabaneri ROFTL. |
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I just realized... The metal bolted to Biba's shoulder indicates he was very likely bitten by a Kabane and managed to stop the virus similarly to how Ikoma did. I think maybe "naturally made" Kabaneri just burn their life force with black blood while "artificially made" Kabaneri can become a Nue, probably due to something special the scientists did to the red blood. I bet what the main scientist guy said about only females being able to turn into Nue was a generalization because the only female Kabaneri he knew included Horobi and Mumei, while the only male Kabaneri he knew were Ikoma and Biba. The line about male Kabaneri being rare was also probably a generalization which really meant surviving a Kabane bite is a lot harder than surviving a red blood injection. I'm assuming Biba didn't make more Kabaneri besides Horobi and Mumei because he only needed two; together they could take out the toughest Kabane, and for his revenge he needed one to destroy Iwato Station and the other to destroy Kongokaku. |
luccide said: The show lost significant tension and captivation that I felt at the start after a few episodes in. Production wise, animation and quality remain top notch nonetheless. 8/10 from me I have the exact same feeling about it. This show was great, the last arc was definitely the problem here. Biba was a poor decision, but it still managed to end well, even if the last episode was jam packed. |
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| Yeah it's unfortunate this seemed to have sorta teetered off and started throwing things at you suddenly. Not sure how i felt about this ending... Apparently Ikoma got the antidote crap from Biba? |
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| Quite so much hate in this series, anyway it's nothing great but for me it was solid mindless action flick. It didn't bore me, thus second best title of the season. C+ |
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| It started so good, but after Biba showed up it went downhill, it would be better without him, you know, just them fighting the zombies in the train, and all... I can't deny that this anime had the best OP and ED song I have hear in a while in op/ed. Egoist is always good. I am glad Mumei is safe, Ikoma could have died, I don't care... Best thing in this episode was: 7/10. |
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| total rip off but still didnt bored me =D 6/10 |
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| Not even an evil bishie with Light Yagami's voice could salvage the trainwreck that was the last half. At least Ikoma got a cool haircut, right? Just a shame the budget evaporated. I'm still iffy on the world building from start, mind you: steam guns relied on that couldn't kill zombies, suicide bags with the power to kill zombies but only used for suicide, Mumei chopping off zombie heads with her sandal/not needing to hit heart, train stations being the last hope of humanity... meh, best not to overthink. |
| Was kinda late with the start so decided to post the overall after the season. The story is nothing special, i just don't like at all these type of endings (parasyte comes to mind), feels like i watched it for nothing. Really didn't like any of the characters and it's pretty important point for me. At least the animations were pretty good so some fights were looking nice which is a rare occasion nowadays. About it being rushed i think it's just whatever, couple of episodes wouldn't have changed anything. With Biba's appearance it went downhill, but as the story was cliche don't see many (or any) ways to improve this series drastically. As for the last episode, the fight was not that impressive, and Ikoma should've been dead in the end, i'm all for happy ending, but it was just wrong. Overall i think i'll give it a 7, it was not that bad, just overhyped. |
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kamisama751 said: It has plenty of potential for a continuation...their's still Kabane everywhere. Would rather have a sequel of this over AOT S2 at this point.Yeeeeees, this trainwreck is finally over and there is no sign for a continuation. Thank god. Anyway, this episode contains unussually many mistakes. Maybe I put some effort since this is the last episode but I don't really know. Mistakes count through the whole show: 97 Damn, I can't beat cinemasins. Final score for this mess: 2/10. Jarjaxle said: Yeah no Magical powers and thank Kami for that. I would have though this lot worse if it had give any powers to somone. Thank Ikoma for saying it is science in the first episode. :D |
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| A pretty decent end for a decent anime imo. Wasn't as bad as some people say it is. |
| Well damn. That went from great to shit in only 3 episodes. Or was it 4. Biba has to be the character I hate the most in a long time. Oh, not as a villain. No, he was just another generic, stupid, retarded, non-sensical idiot. Run of the mill really. He brought stupidity, fails and facepalm into an anime that was great up to that point. First few episodes were great, survival, "racism" (or whatever hatred of normal people towards Kabaneri would be), emotions, badass MC. It was great. Why couldn't they set some goal up, like, say, getting to this castle town and we watch their journey for 12 episodes. Walking dead of sorts, only anime. Constant threat of kabane, split population due to kabaneri, having to enter towns where kabane might be so they could get food, you know, shit like that. I mean, that's how the show looked after first 5-6 episodes. Develop characters in the meantime of course. Make us care about them etc. Instead. Biba! RUSH THE STORY. Or, to quote that train driver "EVASIVE MANEUVERS!" I'm not even going to comment on happy ending, there's no point. Frack this shit. 5/10 |
| This was pretty good. The finale definitely seemed a bit rushed. Was hoping for a much bigger showdown between Biba and Ikoma, but oh well. Biba giving Ikoma the white blood? What? What's up with Biba. It's like he existed only to get revenge on the Shogun and now that he did, he doesn't care about dying.. He could've been such a big help if he would just step down from the villain role. Glad to see that there's a bit of romance between Ikoma and Mumei. I was really hoping that at the end, when Ikoma woke up, they'd end with that cliché phrase "Are you human or a kabane?" "Neither, I'm a kabaneri!" lol 7/10 |
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kamisama751 said: Well they could look for the source of the Kabaneri, maybe they will find a hint or something. I'd just like to see more of this series so I don't care what they do.Major123 said: It has plenty of potential for a continuation...their's still Kabane everywhere. Would rather have a sequel of this over AOT S2 at this point. They need a new destination/goal but there isn't any. |
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| It ended really well. I really thought either Mumei or Ikoma (most likely I really think he would die) will die but it's nice that they both survived. I was quite shocked when Ikoma beat the train though... didn't expect that scene... sudden OP boost???... OK. And once again, Kurusu's BLUSHING moments... my favorite. :D  I hope there will be a season 2 of this though it's an original story, I am thinking what's next in line?... Looking forward for the possibilities. :) |
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kamisama751 said: It seems like you just don't want one...Major123 said: Well they could look for the source of the Kabaneri, maybe they will find a hint or something. I'd just like to see more of this series so I don't care what they do. That's even less possible since they completely ignored that and did sh*tty drama with Biba. |
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kamisama751 said: Welp that ends this discussion.Major123 said: It seems like you just don't want one... Why should I want another season of this trainwreck? |
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JeffreyZin said: So I just realized that does Kabaneri Ikoma c̶̷o̶̷v̶̷e̶̷r̶̷e̶̷d̶̷ ̶̷w̶̷i̶̷t̶̷h̶̷ ̶̷c̶̷r̶̷y̶̷s̶̷t̶̷a̶̷l̶̷ ̶̷(̶̷s̶̷o̶̷r̶̷t̶̷ ̶̷o̶̷f̶̷)̶̷ ̶̷a̶̷l̶̷l̶̷ ̶̷o̶̷v̶̷e̶̷r̶̷ ̶̷h̶̷i̶̷s̶̷ ̶̷b̶̷o̶̷d̶̷y̶̷ ̶̷r̶̷e̶̷a̶̷l̶̷l̶̷y̶̷ ̶̷r̶̷e̶̷m̶̷i̶̷n̶̷d̶̷s̶̷ ̶̷m̶̷e̶̷ of AYY LMAO (AYY LMAO)??? WHHYYY??? Honestly, Tetsuo Araki & Ichiro Okuchi What the hell are your guys smoking at this point?!! Shhhhhh Don't spoil about guilty crown I think lotsa peeps still didn't watch that show. But the fact is WTH happen with Araki and Okuchi. I think the team could have done better job about editing and stuff, even the story it self being crap. Not just bring those cliche scenes and C grade editing. Optimistic score : MFK KEK this show is just AoT SS2 Warm up /10 |
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| I seem to be in the minority when I say that this series was quite brilliant. Yes there were rushed bits and many mistakes made and nobody liked Biba, but all's well that ends well, and I like to think I watch anime because I want to enjoy it, not because I want to point out every single flaw I can find. 9/10 |
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