For the sake of HXH,DragonBall,Naruto, Bleach and other manga/anime that have similarities to one another, can we all just agree to them being inspirations?
Anime_No_Jutsu said: For the sake of HXH,DragonBall,Naruto, Bleach and other manga/anime that have similarities to one another, can we all just agree to them being inspirations?
I'm pretty sure this thread is just in response to Mikasa's countless "everything ripped off Hunter x Hunter" threads, but repeating an annoying trend just makes you annoying.
Not really. All shounens have something (can be plural) in common, but that doesn't mean it is a rip off of a particular series which in this case is DB.
Anime_No_Jutsu said: For the sake of HXH,DragonBall,Naruto, Bleach and other manga/anime that have similarities to one another, can we all just agree to them being inspirations?
Agree. I usually let it pass but I can't say the same with Black Clover.. Have you read it? Boy, if it's animated, hell would break loose. At least in MAL.
Calista777 said: I don't get all the Mikasa talk... Can someone explain?
AttackOnTetris said:
I'm pretty sure this thread is just in response to Mikasa's countless "everything ripped off Hunter x Hunter" threads, but repeating an annoying trend just makes you annoying.
every action based manga in the shonen Demographic tarces its roots back Ring Ni Kakero
"If you tremble with indignation at every injustice, then you are a comrade of mine"
When the union's inspiration through the workers' blood shall run
There can be no power greater anywhere beneath the sun
Yet what force on earth is weaker than the feeble strength of one
For the Union makes us strong
FGAU1912 said: every action based manga in the shonen Demographic tarces its roots back Ring Ni Kakero
and it rips-off Ashita no Joe 'cus there's boxing in both of them
no RnK was made as Tribute to Joe
"If you tremble with indignation at every injustice, then you are a comrade of mine"
When the union's inspiration through the workers' blood shall run
There can be no power greater anywhere beneath the sun
Yet what force on earth is weaker than the feeble strength of one
For the Union makes us strong
FGAU1912 said: every action based manga in the shonen Demographic tarces its roots back Ring Ni Kakero
and it rips-off Ashita no Joe 'cus there's boxing in both of them
no RnK was made as Tribute to Joe
I stand corrected.
But in that case RnK=AnJ tribute
all battle shounen rip-off RnK
=all battle shounen are a tribute to AnJ
RnK Standardized alot of the tropes ie yelling out a sp Attacks no name the biggest Joe was more if a stright sports tale whiel RnK has Spieacl named attcks like Galtica Magnum ofr exmaple
the manga was made in the 70s the anime was made in the 2000's
"If you tremble with indignation at every injustice, then you are a comrade of mine"
When the union's inspiration through the workers' blood shall run
There can be no power greater anywhere beneath the sun
Yet what force on earth is weaker than the feeble strength of one
For the Union makes us strong
Every male character can fit into 4 types, just like every female character can fit into 4 types.. Also, villains are almost always alike in shonen, and a lot of them are similar, especially when you are talking aliens and shit. When your MC is crazy fucking strong, you need to have an almost perfect villain to make it challenging... Derp. I mean unless you want Villains that just get walked on, with no fight whatsoever. But then that would be ripping off SAO.. ;P
jonny5tud said: Every male character can fit into 4 types, just like every female character can fit into 4 types.. Also, villains are almost always alike in shonen, and a lot of them are similar, especially when you are talking aliens and shit. When your MC is crazy fucking strong, you need to have an almost perfect villain to make it challenging... Derp. I mean unless you want Villains that just get walked on, with no fight whatsoever. But then that would be ripping off SAO.. ;P
Okay this got me kinda interested.
What are those 4 types and are they exclusively for protagonists or do secondary characters also apply?
robis798 said: It really is awkward when the supposed rip off is miles better than the original.
F/SN and F/Z has a similar awkward relationship. :>
how would F/Z and F/SN be rip off of each other when there the same series[/quote]
Similar, not the same.[/quote]
F/Z is supplementary to F/SN. They're both parts of the same story. Besides, that 'rip off is miles better than the original' thing only applies to the anime versions, so this is a bit different tbh.
In order to not end up too off-topic, I'll stop talking about that, though.
weflynn said: first thing people might say when reading the question is that dragonball is an influential series that inspired many of the popular manga in shounen jump like one piece (especially this one), bleach, naruto, etc
but hunter x hunter unlike other shounen jump manga seem to have an almost identical ideas and stuff.
examples:
Gon is extremely similar to Goku to start it will thier names are similar and their hairs are similar. Gon's signature attack (rock paper siccosr) is literally the same as Goku's attack on the first half of dragonball minus the aura and nen of course. Goku has a unique weapon when he was a kid (the red staff), Gon had a unique weapon for the first arc of the story (the fishing pole).
Gon's rage for
kite's death
is very much like Goku's rage when Krillin first died and when he died in the freiza saga (even the same aura like pressure). Gon is selfish sometimes and very determinted about what he wants and Goku can be very selfish, even putting the lives of others and the Earth itself on danger, simply because he wants a good fight (this in particular some people seem to forget). Goku is naive sometimes and very trusting of people when he shouldn't so is Gon.
Personality wise they are exteremly similar cheerful, competitive, like a good fight, trusting, naive, wants to win a fight cleanly, doesn't take people's charity, their rage, etc
Then there is the chimera ant arc and Meruem.
Meruem's character design is pretty much Freiza + Cell. His personality is extremely similar to Cell.
found this post on a site:
''Meruem shares traits with the main villains from the Dragon Ball series. Like King Piccolo, Vegeta, & Frieza, Meruem has a royal epithet ("The King") and various beings who are loyal to him. Also like the previous 3, he is not above showing cruelty and delighting in it. More specifically like Vegeta and Frieza, he isn't above killing those who are loyal to him; Meruem's body also vaguely resembles Frieza's with the purple color scheme (namely, the deltoids and shins) and using his tail to hit others. Meruem's appearance is also similar to Cell's (in particular his hands, tail & color scheme of green & purple). In addition, Meruem shares the same goals as Cell: initially wanting ultimate power, and then later, wishing to test their abilities & enjoy themselves (though in Meruem's case, he mainly does this through gungi with Komugi); they also both represent the idea of perfection in strength, as they are created to be all-powerful. Finally, like Majin Buu, he is significantly changed from a merciless person to a being capable of compassion because of a person who is greatly weaker than him (in the case of Buu, these people are Bee and Mr. Satan)."
Like King Picoolo Meruem invades a palace and take it over.
So Meruem is basically every Dragon Ball Z villain in one.''
So what do you think?
I'm not going to argue against Gon being a Goku rip-off (although some differences make me disagree), but basing half your argument around that is downright silly.
The execution of most scenes that can be compared between the two series is vastly different, such as that of
Kite's death
, which makes the scene far more substantial than Krillin's death in DBZ. It also was not just a consequence-free powerup, but rather
one that comes at the cost of his future, potential, training, and basically everything else that him and Killua worked so hard to achieve.
Not to mention that
Kite and Krillin are very different characters, both in their roles within the story, powerlevels in comparison to the rest of the verse and most importantly the WAY they died.
Also, can you define 'wants to win a fight cleanly'? Gon is naive, but he isn't one of those retarded protags who rush into a battle without any plan and just punch their way to victory. He also isn't nearly as trusting as you make him out to be.
Calling Meruem a Cell rip-off when the latter was pretty 1 dimensional while the former is arguably one of the best anime villains to date is plain stupid. The 'perfect being' thing is kind of implied and the design really is strikingly similar, but that's not enough to make a character a rip off of another. The funny part in this all is that even if you ignore the absurdity of using such a large part of the show's character cast to call a character a rip off, saying that Meruem resembles Buu, Cell, Frieza AND Vegeta all at the same time actually just serves to make him a more unique and interesting character.
so yeh.
Rinth said: Every opinion is not equal. Some opinions are simply made out of shit.
Similarities doesn't make something a rip off. Every show has things in common with other shows. What matters is what sets the show apart. And there are way more things about hxh that set it apart
magicalprincess said: Similarities doesn't make something a rip off. Every show has things in common with other shows. What matters is what sets the show apart. And there are way more things about hxh that set it apart
It has a much worse cast of characters and designs, fails at making an adventurous world and atmosphere and topped off with inferior action. So yes, HxH is a boot-leg version of DB.
Definitely a lot of similarities but nothing that truly stands out as "ripping off". If anything Kishi was jut paying Homage to Togashi for in various ways the first few years.