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FlamepriesT said: I think this is a really stupid argument - or at least it does seem like one - so I won't waste my time saying anything beyond what I'll say now. I just wanted to say "near" doesn't necessarily mean "right next to". Being a couple of floors apart or in the middle of the forest could be "near" enough, it all depends on Nasu's definition. He could easily just say it's close enough and that's it. That's no different from saying Shirou was healed by Saber's sheath in spite of her absence and claiming it was due to her residual energy. Yet, it makes perfect sense in this narrative - it's a fantasy story after all. Yeah, there's no real definition of how Avalon works with distance from Saber or whatever. It's all down to how Nasu wants to use it. His world, his rules, his asspulls. Even in the VN, he stretches concepts quite a bit, such as Archer's ridiculous IA abuse. |
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That bit was so unnecessary, yet so awesome. |
astroprogs said: That bit was so unnecessary, yet so awesome. That poor jacket though. It's soon forgotten by everyone and probably nocorras said: Botato said: Hm, kind of spoilers for later events or maybe just next episode but in this episode It was just an aesthetic thing/symbolism in the vita OP. It wouldn't actually work like that. Still, considering they used UBW for coolness, I wouldn't be averse to seeing the UBW clash. It's AU after all, and it would be so awesome~ |
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| 11/10 Best Episode Ever!! From Archer's and Shirou's fight (and also the new awesome soundtrack by Aimer) and Lancer saving Rin and beating the shit out of Shinji Why can't we get a Lancer route? |
| Lancer caught me by surprise. Just when I though he was dead, he became even more awesome and bad-ass! Him poking Shinji was hilarious! |
You can just be yourself. Do things your own way, one step at a time. You'll get there. Just be yourself, you'll be fine." ~Fruit Basket |
jbeat said: Lancer caught me by surprise. Just when I though he was dead, he became even more awesome and bad-ass! Him poking Shinji was hilarious! I liked that joke from a reddit user: "You get a stab, and you get a stab, and he gets a stab, *looks at Shinji*... you get a poke." |
astroprogsMay 23, 2015 9:14 PM
yourforeverwaifu said: 11/10 Best Episode Ever!! From Archer's and Shirou's fight (and also the new awesome soundtrack by Aimer) and Lancer saving Rin and beating the shit out of Shinji Why can't we get a Lancer route? Because Lancer will always die in the end ;_; |
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| well i guess i should finaly get the post out there. well that episode was......about what i expected. it feels like it could have benefitted more from stronger buildup especially in the shirou department. -the aimer song was alright i guess, dont know whether it's a little tryhard or just the big big moment i wanted it to be. -gotta wait to see what they do next week to draw a honest final coclusion to the scene but so far enjoyable -given that the anime only said that his Archer's mana is depleted and not a solid number of "less than 10%" it could have been a little forgivable for Archer to cast UBW but they showed him partially dissapearing...yada yadda yadda symbolism and shit. with this being said wouldnt it have been better for UBW to appear in their minds due to the feedback Shirou is receiving or something along those lines, especially since a majority of the immagry was in shirou's head from the feedback anyways. -avalon's healing felt a little hammy but whatever at least the expanded upon the avalon explanation a little bit. i was hoping they would do that since no fate route and all we got here was archer going "wtf? how is he still moving? oh wait.....it's that goddamn sheath" -hmmm i thought that maybe Bazzet would have possibly gotten another refrence during death of a hero, they hella could have done it especially after the chilly man reffrenced her. anyone else think there might be a chance for her to get another reference? well anyways 5/5 looking forward to the rest of The Answer. |
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Maloghurst said: -given that the anime only said that his Archer's mana is depleted and not a solid number of "less than 10%" it could have been a little forgivable for Archer to cast UBW but they showed him partially dissapearing...yada yadda yadda symbolism and shit. with this being said wouldnt it have been better for UBW to appear in their minds due to the feedback Shirou is receiving or something along those lines, especially since a majority of the immagry was in shirou's head from the feedback anyways. Yeah, the UBW was really uneeded, but I suppose since the VN had Archer the anime could be given a bit off leeway when it comes to what Archer can or cannot do with his Independent Action. And yeah, it was kind of useless anyway since most of the ep didn't even take place in it. :/ |
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OneTrueEmiya said: astroprogs said: That bit was so unnecessary, yet so awesome.every episode until the end is going to be this awesome. That poor jacket though. It's soon forgotten by everyone and probably they should have shirou go to the castle without the jacket but whatever, it's OG shirou. they should also keep shirou jacket-less for |
| all other archers pale in comparison. |
| God damn this episode was amazing. This entire show has been like a dream. I can't help but think back to when I was reading the VN and wishing to see a lot of this stuff animated. The wait for these final episodes and the HF movies might kill me. |
OneTrueEmiya said: Maloghurst said: -given that the anime only said that his Archer's mana is depleted and not a solid number of "less than 10%" it could have been a little forgivable for Archer to cast UBW but they showed him partially dissapearing...yada yadda yadda symbolism and shit. with this being said wouldnt it have been better for UBW to appear in their minds due to the feedback Shirou is receiving or something along those lines, especially since a majority of the immagry was in shirou's head from the feedback anyways. Yeah, the UBW was really uneeded, but I suppose since the VN had Archer the anime could be given a bit off leeway when it comes to what Archer can or cannot do with his Independent Action. And yeah, it was kind of useless anyway since most of the ep didn't even take place in it. :/ It's good for imagery. It's a dimly light place devoid of life. A hell that is holding the fight where Shirou is facing the limits and problems of his ideals while looking at another hell in its past. Having the fight in UBw shows the similarity and the difference (UBW is a place where Shirou can make something out of himself. There is hope to be there now, where he can experience a rebirth which is symbolized by the fire shown when shirou pulled the sword (that symbolizes his ideal). |
| loved when lancer just throw shinji(deserves it) though can't wait for heavens feel for the fight between shirou and archer was awesome(though not over yet) and loved the song that played when they had that flash back scene now kind of wondering how there gonna do the |
astroprogs said: That bit was so unnecessary, yet so awesome. gray fullbuster :} |
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CookingPriest said: Well at least they did Lancer scene justice and worst fears did not come to passs. Rejoice people, at least they did Kirei's death right even if I hoped for more of hot-blooded lines from Lancer and maybe some smirks there. Still greatest part of EP. "Answer"(i put it in quotations since it is not the real Answer) was mostly meh. It was pretty much Shirou doing his typical TEMEEE screams with none of actual thoughts that made Answer the deepest moment in UBW. And they used EMIYA theme at the wrong time. And of course Archer then casts UBW for no reason at all and the show's powerlevels are completely and utterly fucked(even more so than they already are. And then he keeps not using UBW at all? What was the point of even casting it ffs? Seriously show, did we need dat edgy emorock for the final scene? Seriously? The scene was decent even if utterly shonen-y but that emorock pretty much made me burst up laughing. And the huge problem with this episode is the lack of any sort of build up to Answer, namely to Shirou's ideals. Why should we care that Shirou believes it is not a mistake? How should we know how important the ideals are to Shirou and why? How are the viewers supposed to root for Shirou in this fight when they know nothing about his ideals or how they changed or what he believes in? It feels completely one-sided while at this moment the viewer is already supposed to know what Shirou thinks, why and the conclusions he came to. As it stands it does more to characterize Archer(the less important POSSIBILITY of Shirou) than Shirou that actually developed in this route. And dont give me that shit about "meh they changed it to reduce monologues" - they still have monologues...but for wrong people. Too sum up - too much Archer wank, not nearly enough Shirou focus. What should have been Shirou teaching Archer a lesson from what Shirou experienced through the route was turned into Achaa teaching idiot ginger a lesson. Meh. 3/5 Plot holes? - Archer is not supposed to even be able to cast UBW int his state. - In UBW Archer should be able to grind Shirou to paste in seconds. But alas in the show UBW is just a pretty scenery with no purpose at all. - Projections are not supposed to "chip away". They are supposed to disappear. For once, I find that you actually sufficiently-justified the rating you gave. Pretty sure that UBW will actually be used in the next episode. And the chipping away part was probably for aesthetics. |
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| "I don't mind losing to someone else, but I won't be beaten by myself." Love that line. |
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| Impressive episode, it wasn't bad at all. I still can't get over Lancer's death, though. |
ReaperCreeper said: I think I like it more when I look back on Fate route and remember "I don't mind losing to someone else, but I won't be beaten by myself." Love that line. |
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Botato said: ReaperCreeper said: I think I like it more when I look back on Fate route and remember "I don't mind losing to someone else, but I won't be beaten by myself." Love that line. Then fast forward to HF |
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| Shinji was a really entertaining character. How can someone be so dumb and so abhorrent at the same time? |
| Even in different time, space, universe and anime Shinji is still a pussy. |
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Doomdoctor said: What about his Fate extra version?Even in different time, space, universe and anime Shinji is still a pussy. |
In the original Fate Stay Night, We have Now, in Fate Stay Night UBW, we have  Oh, and YAY LANCER, even though he still died :( |
ririchiyomikaMay 24, 2015 12:16 AM
<In the ghost town of our love there is a player piano trying to prove it can make music without being touched. My fingertips miss her so much.> |
ririchiyomika said: In the original Fate Stay Night, We have Now, in Fate Stay Night UBW, we have  Oh, and YAY LANCER, even though he still died :( Yeah, was JUST about to point that out. lol |
BruceLad said: Epic episode but Shirou quote at the end lmao....  Basically: Insertanamehere said: Correct in the normal sense of the term. Right in the moral sense. |
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| One thing i hate about season 2 is that,Saber has basically done nothing so far.I was really excited seeing rin as her master, with full mana supply and all,I was expecting to see a big fight.But just like the name of the anime suggested,its all about unlimited blade works which archer had to release 2x. |
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orchidorkMay 24, 2015 7:59 AM
| Lansah da besto. Kirei grope. Huehue.  UBW interior decorators at your service. New "people die when they are killed", not really if you freaking get the context. I liked the fight though tbh, but they could've done better. And at least there's monologues lol, except they excluded a critical line smh... I give it 3/5. |
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Dragon_Slayer_X said: jirico said: Shirou is so idiot. He still did not notice his dream is an utopia, he can't save everybody. He should just focus saving Rin and his family. I hate him, too bad he will not die and will make the same mistake Archer did... infinite idiotic loop. I'm done seeing Archer trying to convince him. - He already knows - Archer isn't trying to convince him.........both are trying to kill each other Meh, Archer would be pretty inept at murder and wasteful if he isn't at the very least subconsciously trying to convince him. I mean if he didn't at least want to convince him, what's the point of always wanting him to see things? |
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| Yaaay finally caught up to the episodes on air. I expect more of Shirou-Archer fight in the next episode. Man, lancer just showed how awesome characters are supposed to act, but when he stabbed himself (just like lancer from Fate/Zero (why always lancers?) ) why he didn't disappear? Simply because he was tough? |
| Noir… It is the name of an ancient fate. Two sisters who watch anime. The peace of the newly born, their black hands protect. |
Shimai_ni said: but when he stabbed himself ) why he didn't disappear? Simply because he was tough? Yes. Specifically though, it was because of his "Battle Continuation A" which F/Z Lancer doesn't have. |
VarunaBlesMay 24, 2015 3:09 AM
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| Let's all talk about F/Z spoilers in a thread when the OP clearly says you shouldn't. Just to piss off those who did the right thing and decided to watch F/SN first. Oh, yes! |
jirico said: Shirou is so idiot. He still did not notice his dream is an utopia, he can't save everybody. He know that he can't save everybody,but he know too the beauty of the ideal and the worthiness of their cause, even if it will be hell. |
| UBW has a VERY GOOD purpose: Preventing "outsiders" like Gil or Lancer to interfere. Seriously, peoples' reasoning, escpacially the VN readers who always analyze the VN to the utmost, suddenly turn their brain off when it comes to the anime, sometimes... |
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Grey-Zone said: UBW has a VERY GOOD purpose: Preventing "outsiders" like Gil or Lancer to interfere. Seriously, peoples' reasoning, escpacially the VN readers who always analyze the VN to the utmost, suddenly turn their brain off when it comes to the anime, sometimes... Well he took the trouble to use UBW again and while noting the isolation purpose you stated, why didn't he use UBW to the fullest as well? He activated it, might as well use it. |
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damastah said: Grey-Zone said: UBW has a VERY GOOD purpose: Preventing "outsiders" like Gil or Lancer to interfere. Seriously, peoples' reasoning, escpacially the VN readers who always analyze the VN to the utmost, suddenly turn their brain off when it comes to the anime, sometimes... Well he took the trouble to use UBW again and while noting the isolation purpose you stated, why didn't he use UBW to the fullest as well? He activated it, might as well use it. What for? He didn't need it, as he won anyway and it's more "personal" to attack by melee. Now, next episode is another matter, so we may finally see him use it. He already decided that melee wouldn't be necessary by throwing K&B, so I hope we will get to see it in use again. |
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| The Lancer scenes and seeing Kirei die 10/10 Shinji's humiliation 10/10 Shirou's flashback 10/10 OST 10/10 Shirou finaling appearing as the badass he is 100000/10 I loved this episode. I'm kiinda sad it didn't have an OP but this way there was more time for the fight. Also, how did Archer did UBW again?? That part didn't appear in the movie, and if I recall correctly, it didn't appear in the vn as well, even though I'm not sure. Anyways 5/5 episode . |
"People die if they are killed" -Emiya Shirou  |
Grey-Zone said: damastah said: Well he took the trouble to use UBW again and while noting the isolation purpose you stated, why didn't he use UBW to the fullest as well? He activated it, might as well use it. What for? He didn't need it, as he won anyway and it's more "personal" to attack by melee. Now, next episode is another matter, so we may finally see him use it. Still could've used it though, I mean it's activated. Le waste of mana ftw, and yes I'm acknowledging your isolation point. It's like saying I buy some takeout meal just for the box, then not touch the food at all. |
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Darkmoq said: 2.5/5 The Answer: I’m sorry to be a killjoy but I didn’t like this scene in either the VN or the anime. While I’m sure some hardcore VN readers will hate the new content, I thought Shirou’s thought process and conclusions were essentially unchanged from the VN. Kiritsugu cameo, , and cheesy flames aside, Shirou’s “answer” to Archer’s existence can be boiled down to simple denial—Yes, I have all the evidence in front of me that my path is wrong and will lead to disaster but NO, it’s not wrong because… *unleash shounen rage* because…I’m not going to think too hard about it!!!-- Summed up with the quote “just because you’re correct doesn’t mean you’re right”. If there is a MAL user who things I’m shitting on Shirou too much I’d be happy to discuss all the backward, illogical drivel that comes out of his mouth in a separate conversation. Correct is about fact, right is more about morality. Even if it will he hell, even if he can't save everyone, he know the beauty of the ideal and the worthiness of his cause. |
Darkmoq said: “just because you’re correct doesn’t mean you’re right”.. Translation mistake....  |
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