| I don't know, it was kinda surprising to me to see a bunch of people accusing the mods that they were responsible for the place getting a little less active. It wasn't even among the explanations that came to my mind when I made that thread. And from most of the regulars' answers, it was pretty obvious they were less active because of things going on in their lives, not because of the site moderation. But let's suppose the mods removed most of the rules. If anyone remembers what the forums looked like a decade ago, then you have a good idea of what it would look like. It would be endless political/culture war stuff all day long. Is that what you would honestly want CD to be? Don't you already have some sketchy no-moderation imageboard for that kind of stuff if you want? So, what do you think? And please, no need to be meanies with the mods. Honestly, they have always been pretty nice with me even though I've probably given them more job than most of the regulars. |
| Yes I certainly remember those days back a decade ago. The forums were very hostile during that time, people getting flamed left and right, threads being started just for the sake of arguments. I guess if I had to choose I would say I prefer a site more moderated than not. I realize no matter which side you choose, there's going to be positive and negatives to each. |
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| "Would you honestly really prefer if CD had almost no moderation and ended up toxic and hate-filled?" I prefer a forum without toxicity. |
fleurbleue said: Still shamelessly pinging you all. You're always free to tell me to stop at any moment! How do I break this to everyone who @'s me...  Anyway, no. Absolutely not.  |
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| I don't like some mods and few of the rules in the past. But as I get busier each day, and drop at CD to chill only occasionally, I think the rule and their actions become more tolerable and understandable. I even like how CD is going these days. I hope this current state of CD keeps continuing P.S. I never like online political debate or any online debate (war) in general, usually as soon as I get that kind of vibes from someone online, I back off from wasting my precious time even more, from useless back and forth arguments, and keep focusing on real life I only use CD to chill, not to spread or receive hatred |
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| I honestly dont think CD (or MAL) is that heavily restricted or moderated. Mods jump from time to time and some topics are just banned because we will get the people just trying to vent what they cannot do on social media because moderation and also other people that will just come here to play the victim on other places, putting MAL in a bad spot. Sadly this is the current state of the internet. I think we are on a sweet spot here, not too much, not too lose. I have been in other forums/discord servers/reddits where zealot moderation where enforced, this also bringed another problem: the people or activists with a thirst of power. TLDR; I think we are cool, it is not even THAT moderated but also not too unmoderated |
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| The reason the forums are less active is because the old mods didn't moderate at all. Genahin Rosaria said all women should be raped and enslaved for 6 months and the old mods ignored it, leading to a mass exodus in CD. Sheklon, Spacesuit, and plenty of other humans left because the mods wouldn't deal with the filth. If you want more activity you need more moderation. Take out the garbage and humans will return. I've got faith the new mods will do it. |
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| @KittenCuddler members fled en masse because one person posted something? lmao, kids these days are so weak |
| Never stop pinging me, Fleur-senpai! I really appreciate being included! But I have no idea why CD seems slow. I haven't really noticed. I'm just glad people still come here in MAL and post. Perhaps people are busy. Maybe it's daily life. Or work or school. *shrugs* |
| I'M YUIGAHAMA'S TEDDY BEAR~ |
| The mods here seem pretty lax. infinitely better than reddit mods, I've never had any issues here. |
| I think the way it is now is better. There's other sites for such discourse and I think that's enough |
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| I haven't had any issues with the mods here, personally. |
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| Not no moderation but things are more lively when the mods were not so active shutting down threads. Some newer mods are more relaxed on it but long term purposes I still think there is a need for a rewrite of the rules again bring them closer to what they used to be and better make some rules do only what they were originally intended for. Like the no sex topic one for CD only was meant to not have very graphically descriptive posts not to shut down all discussion on sexual topics, which funny enough immediately after the rule was made it lead to threads focusing on taking a shit and vomiting but those are okay as somehow better, WUT? Thread topics tend to not be issue, but how an OP presents a topic can be but in past that would have just fallen under trolling or flaming in many cases so it was already mostly covered just unenforced. Also I think the general advice thread being used on very serious posts usually to be ignored should be seen as a display of contempt for the community and people in general. I know why it was created but as usual it was an overreaction to a small short term trend of multiple users making personal threads on similar topics. A general thread like that is only suited for simple things not complex social and medical and financial issues. |
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| Actual trolling/flame wars should be policed of course but I think the rules should be relaxed at least a little bit. |
Lost_VikingOct 4, 10:28 PM
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| I can recall prior to this some people complaining we didn't have enough moderators responding to reports. Now reports get responded to more often, which means more moderation. And now some people are also complaining about that. I actually realized this was the tradeoff when people complained about lack of report responsiveness, so I didn't really care much back then nor now. Not everyone is going to be satisfied no matter what happens. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ The unsatisfied people will also be the loudest! also, as far as I can tell CD has been steadily declining in activity for years now. I don't even know if there's anything to explain other than the trend continuing. Now consider that forums are a dying form of social media interaction more generally, and it's not so weird that CD is slowing in activity. Hasn't faired half bad when you consider that context. |
FreshellOct 4, 11:04 PM
| Moderation exists to keep your community civil, not boring. There is common sense like forbidding hate speech, flame, targeting someone's personal attributes, spamming boards - it's more than enough to keep such a small community functional. I wasn't here in the days of "GR terror" mentioned by KittenCuddler, but reading the old threads, I find him more entertaining than offensive - and that problematic behavior could be easily corrected without turning it into a major drama. I also think some nice people maybe left because of endless circlejerk and boredom rather than offense taken. Everyone's getting old, right? What you absolutely don't want to do is to shut voices on some stupid formal criteria like 25 char limit. That, together with no way to appeal a mod's decision, opens a window to stupid power abuse and personal tensions being resolved by calling the police when noone is shooting. Still, maybe I'm overly optimistic here because I didn't get formal warnings for a while, but it feels like moderation is getting more consistent lately. Omg, it all was in Simpsons already, why are we talking about it over and over again, if there is noone to listen to it? |
| Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. |
| For me it is kinda whatever. I am an edgelord of course so I am okay with less but I've really calmed down these past couple years so I can vibe with more too. I do want to call people slurs from time to time though |
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| Forums need mediators instead of moderators. |
*kappa* |
| I don't even understand what people mean when they say that the mods here are overly harsh. One could argue that some of the rules are too restrictive and prevents interesting discussions from taking place but it's not like the community mods are at fault for that At least on MAL you probably won't get randomly banned if you just follow the rules while on 4chan you can get banned for ridiculous things like being "off-topic" or "trolling" for simply mentioning another similar anime made by the same studio in a thread about a seasonal anime, simply because some janny personally disliked the anime you posted and the mods just approve all ban requests the jannies send without even looking at them. Meanwhile actual rule breakers could spam for days without even having their posts deleted. It was partially because moderation was so extremely inconsistent and random there that I finally stopped going to that website a few years ago |
Nette said: I do want to call people slurs from time to time though 🤔 I swear you sound wholesome most of the time, then you say odd stuff like this, haha. |
| Yeah. I'm used to slurs and controversial topics after posting on 4chan for more than a decade. I think it's fun. |
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Reply to Freshell
Nette said:
I do want to call people slurs from time to time though
I do want to call people slurs from time to time though
🤔
I swear you sound wholesome most of the time, then you say odd stuff like this, haha.
| @Freshell You should never see or rather hear me when I drive. |
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| I think there definitely should be mods, I think if everything was left unchecked it would be very bad and MAL perhaps could gain a bit of a bad reputation. I wasn't around to see what this place was like years ago, but I think currently it's ok. One other (non-anime) site I use has become very heavily restrictive for all users commenting on certain things and it's made it quite off-putting to me, even though I wasn't one of these that these restrictions were designed for. I still use the site though, I just use it differently, MAL is nowhere near this bad and I hope it stays that way. I think the only perhaps negative thing I've seen from the new mods could be locking threads with perhaps the wrong reason to, but I could be wrong as I don't feel like analysing all the rules and threads I see. |
Little_SheeplingOct 5, 1:47 AM
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| I don't know how things were in the past but I don't like the idea of CD becoming a shitt wasteland like 4chan or Twitter etc As far as I've seen the people who are deterred by the mods are rude or sketchy. I didn't mind them but I know diacussion wasn't made better with those elements |
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| I prefer strict moderation. I know boards with almost no moderation in my country. It's total chaos. You can go there when you want battle fields, since almost all the users are hostile. There is a word called mindo in my country. min means people and do means degree. So, it would mean "ethical standard of a community". Still, MAL's mindo is much higher than the boards in my country, probably thanks to moderation. |
You can't please some people. When there were too few moderators, many users (rightfully) complained about the moderation team being too slow. When the number of moderators was significantly increased, and many of the new moderators had already been active on the forum before taking the role, you now see complaints about too much moderation and too strict moderators who do their work fast. Welp, you just can't please some people, indeed. Some want to see chaos, when civil, peaceful discussion is possible and cooler. Anyway, I didn't notice any drop in moderation quality on the forum, nor did I see a massive exodus of users fearing overly strict moderation (lol). In fact, it actually improved without changing the existing moderation trends (MAL is pretty laxed in this regard compared to many other popular discussion boards, which is already a plus). At least from what I observed, though it might be totally subjective, there seems to be less toxicity on the forum; and when toxicity does appear, it's dealt with faster than, say, a few months ago. |
AdnashOct 6, 5:19 AM
| As @Freshell mentioned, MAL forums are doing surprisingly okay given the trajectory of forums in general. The engagement rate is high considering the number of people that actually are around. I responded to what happens with no moderation elsewhere in the "ragebaiting" thread. It's basically not conducive to any good discussion. Auron said: Ragebaiting, or what we used to call trolling, has never quite been innocuous. It's promoted in environments where getting people to engage with you gives you money (e.g X) or otherwise enjoyment. "Ketchup on spaghetti" could work, but it probably isn't so effective because most people aren't that invested in that question. By its nature the things that get to the top in the attention economy will be rather contentious, and probably political, and probably deliberately inflammatory/offensive. This is also why MAL moderation is completely justified, an environment where everyone is rewarded for being the maximally abrasive asshole they can possibly be to drive engagement is just another 4chan/X. |
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| Kinda strange that for all the past shit-talks I did on CE and CD, I only received 2 warnings and they were both for exceeding character limit. The mods here are pretty chill imo. You haven't seen the shit reddit mods ban for. I kinda wish they had kept the og ragebaiters(the black guy that always talked about bible and hentai, the german guy who was obssesed with one piece, the trad american guy who hated feminism) around though |
| شقایق، اینجا من، خیلی غریبم |
fleurbleue said: I don't know, it was kinda surprising to me to see a bunch of people accusing the mods that they were responsible for the place getting a little less active. It wasn't even among the explanations that came to my mind when I made that thread. And from most of the regulars' answers, it was pretty obvious they were less active because of things going on in their lives, not because of the site moderation. But let's suppose the mods removed most of the rules. If anyone remembers what the forums looked like a decade ago, then you have a good idea of what it would look like. It would be endless political/culture war stuff all day long. Is that what you would honestly want CD to be? Don't you already have some sketchy no-moderation imageboard for that kind of stuff if you want? So, what do you think? And please, no need to be meanies with the mods. Honestly, they have always been pretty nice with me even though I've probably given them more job than most of the regulars. To the point of ending up toxic and hate-filled? No But... i do think some mods have a tendancy to overreact a little when it comes to thread locking, and that can contribute to making it harder for people to participate more engaging discissions, thus contributing to putting people off from participating at all, the same way going to the opposite extream of an unmoderated cesspool will turn people off from participating in such discussions I think there's a very fine line between having a heated debate and being outright hostile to one another, but not always do people manage to differentiate the 2 |
DigiCatOct 5, 6:33 AM
| I really do not know to be honest, they sometimes removed threads for absolutely nothing to the point where you have to use coded information but thats all i gues |
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| I don't know, maybe it would be more fun. |
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fleurbleue said: It would be endless political/culture war stuff all day long. Is that what you would honestly want CD to be? No, we had Current Events for that. fleurbleue said: Still shamelessly pinging you all. You're always free to tell me to stop at any moment! I ask you in advance not to ping me. |
| その目だれの目？ |
Reply to Freshell
Nette said:
I do want to call people slurs from time to time though
I do want to call people slurs from time to time though
🤔
I swear you sound wholesome most of the time, then you say odd stuff like this, haha.
| @Freshell I once saw him say he gets turned on by the thought of anime being banned, or some other inability to watch. |
| その目だれの目？ |
| Yes, because the only two options are no moderation and complete lawlessness or severe over-moderation. Certainly there's no in-between ground, right? I'm not sure what the point of this thread is other than your desire to suck up to the mods and show how much of a goody-two-shoes you are. |
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Reply to Daemon
Yes, because the only two options are no moderation and complete lawlessness or severe over-moderation. Certainly there's no in-between ground, right?
I'm not sure what the point of this thread is other than your desire to suck up to the mods and show how much of a goody-two-shoes you are.
I'm not sure what the point of this thread is other than your desire to suck up to the mods and show how much of a goody-two-shoes you are.
| @Daemon Pretty sure the mods consider me far from a well-behaved user, but I guess that's the vibe this thread gives off, eh... I wouldn't be surprised if some of them disliked me for all the reports they get from my countless threads. Still, I never got any official warning. No way the moderation around here is overly severe. And the title was mostly a jab at the 4chan tourists (the very same ones who accused the current mods of killing the site), since that's apparently the kind of moderation and environment they like. |
| I would definitely prefer a more unfiltered internet so yeah. Then I could go super chud noticing patterns, and giving my chud takes especially on current events, and the true state of the industry. |
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| Obviously some moderation is necessary. I can't really comment on how they should do their job, because from experience, it's difficult, however, I have disliked some actions taken at times. I do wish we were able to talk about more religious and political topics openly, but I know that some people don't know how to go about it responsibly. |
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fleurbleue said: It would be endless political/culture war stuff all day long. If we get into an endless"war", after some messages and not moving forward is a loop. No use typing when the other is not reading, and no use typing if not reading. But mods are here to protect the lambs from wandering into flame wars. I hope 99% of us are able to avoid fires, but as I saw some M-lambs that just can't. Fire is warm. Ideally we can all self drive, and friendly push people. But sometimes the fire is warm, and we feel like stepping on it. Maybe it puts it out. So I understand that we get to select a few sacrifices so they can become Babe the shepherd pig, and get us away from fire, even if it turns them into fried bacon. Is there no chance that if CD had almost no moderation, people didn't hate fill it or get toxic? Imagine when we just exchanged ideas and not people? Or even if they are toxic you can extract something non toxic from there? |
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| Maybe it will be more lively here... |
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| I've only used MAL for a few years, and the forums even less so, but as someone who was VERY active on a few forums in the 2000s, I would MUCH prefer a forum to be lax as back in those days. Mods are a necessary, and while I do think MAL is better than most current forums these days, they still do overmoderate. The biggest one is loli discussion. On an ANIME forum, there is no reason topics related to that need to be closed, unless people are actually maliciously attacking each other. But outside of personal attacks (even then, there's levels) and straight up illegal content, mods should cut back on what they moderate. But compared to sites such as Resetera and Gamefaqs, this site is 4chan in how chill they are, so I'm okay with this place, for now. |
Reply to Fatephile
Kinda strange that for all the past shit-talks I did on CE and CD, I only received 2 warnings and they were both for exceeding character limit.
The mods here are pretty chill imo. You haven't seen the shit reddit mods ban for.
I kinda wish they had kept the og ragebaiters(the black guy that always talked about bible and hentai, the german guy who was obssesed with one piece, the trad american guy who hated feminism) around though
The mods here are pretty chill imo. You haven't seen the shit reddit mods ban for.
I kinda wish they had kept the og ragebaiters(the black guy that always talked about bible and hentai, the german guy who was obssesed with one piece, the trad american guy who hated feminism) around though
| @Fatephile The reddit one is too true. I just got banned from posting in r/japan there, lmao. |
| I wasn't on MAL a decade ago so I don't really know what it was like back then. All I'm thinking is unmoderated boards on MAL is a horrible idea. I mean what could go worse? You could get like Neo-Nazis spreading their hate speech, racists, homophobes and transphobes alike spreading hate speech too and it might as well just be a death sentence for CD. I reckon it would just be better to make a politics discussion section again and regulate that just so it doesn't become filled with hate speech. |
| ...who wants an unmoderated casual discussion board? that sounds like hell, especially knowing what minimally moderated mal can be like |
  x x x If I touch a burning candle, I can feel no pain. If you cut me with a knife, it's still the same. And I know her heart is beating, and I know that I am dead; yet the pain here that I feel, try and tell me it's not real, and it seems that I still have a tear to shed x x x |
Reply to Spast1c
I wasn't on MAL a decade ago so I don't really know what it was like back then. All I'm thinking is unmoderated boards on MAL is a horrible idea. I mean what could go worse? You could get like Neo-Nazis spreading their hate speech, racists, homophobes and transphobes alike spreading hate speech too and it might as well just be a death sentence for CD. I reckon it would just be better to make a politics discussion section again and regulate that just so it doesn't become filled with hate speech.
| @Spast1c >"I wasn't here ten years ago" >*describes CD ten years ago as if he was there* |
Prophetess of the Golden Era  |
Reply to Fatephile
Kinda strange that for all the past shit-talks I did on CE and CD, I only received 2 warnings and they were both for exceeding character limit.
The mods here are pretty chill imo. You haven't seen the shit reddit mods ban for.
I kinda wish they had kept the og ragebaiters(the black guy that always talked about bible and hentai, the german guy who was obssesed with one piece, the trad american guy who hated feminism) around though
The mods here are pretty chill imo. You haven't seen the shit reddit mods ban for.
I kinda wish they had kept the og ragebaiters(the black guy that always talked about bible and hentai, the german guy who was obssesed with one piece, the trad american guy who hated feminism) around though
| @Fatephile CE was board that made no sense. "Anime pfp users saying racist and wild shit" that board proved it true. Racism is alive and well not just in the United States. Good riddance to that board. |
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