Battle shounen being misunderstood on this website

"They see fights and screaming characters and immediately their first instinct is ...it can't possibly be deep." YUP- that's exactly right. Those two things are not deep in any way. You nailed it there.

"I mean there's a reason a lot of people say their lives were changed after watching... One Piece and Naruto". Indeed- and all those people are FIVE.
Kids entertainment is for kids.

"Just because it's packed with fights scenes..." Yes, it being packed with just fights does mean it lacks substance. That is precisely the description of lacking in substance. I AGREE.

Easily digestible action (your words)

is just that.

It seems you are specifically talking about battle shounen and not shounen in general. The fact that you are masquerading the misunderstanding of Shounen as ppl's hate towards fight scenes, is the exact reason why a lot of people shit on battle shounen fans.

It's only misunderstood on here since people link it to being a genre when it's just a demographic. And some think all shounen is battle shounen. Kind of like what you're doing at the moment saying shounen when you mean battle shounen

Well if everyone agrees on everything then there is no point in discussing anything..
This generation prefer anti hero and heroes who ridicules, trolls . society, celebrities, politics, philosophy etc with sarcastic responses..like Gintama..
I have grown past the lets all be friends pure hearted shounen heroes asking their opponents to be their friends after battle..
Honestly it's suffocating to see that in anime then going out and witnessing the real world..

It seems you are specifically talking about battle shounen and not shounen in general. The fact that you are masquerading the misunderstanding of Shounen as ppl's hate towards fight scenes, is the exact reason why a lot of people shit on battle shounen fans.

"They see fights and screaming characters and immediately their first instinct is ...it can't possibly be deep." YUP- that's exactly right. Those two things are not deep in any way. You nailed it there.

"I mean there's a reason a lot of people say their lives were changed after watching... One Piece and Naruto". Indeed- and all those people are FIVE.
Kids entertainment is for kids.

"Just because it's packed with fights scenes..." Yes, it being packed with just fights does mean it lacks substance. That is precisely the description of lacking in substance. I AGREE.

Easily digestible action (your words)

is just that.

I would think battle shounen is shit on for few main reasons and it's deeper than just fighting and screaming. First off it's a genre that appeals to the masses, while appealing to everyone that it can, it does turn off a lot of people because it's dumbed down (may not be the right phrase) or easy to understand and has a straightforward protagonist. There is nothing wrong with this imo, but it leaves little to be desired overall for people who are looking for something else. Another is the fan bases of the genre, usually very loud, boisterous, and have an imposing mentality on others especially when their anime of choice isn't high on someone else's list. Lastly, it's the dismissal of other anime that someone might have recommended to them i.e; person A recommends a battle shounen to person B, person B watches and may or may not like the anime but watches it completely and comes back with a full on conversation with person A. Person B then recommends person A an anime that isn't battle shounen, person A watches a couple episodes and decides it's boring and dismisses the rest of the anime completely and comes back saying they didn't like it and there's little to no conversation about the anime. Overall, I would say it's less about the anime itself and more about the people who like battle shounen as to the reason it gets shit on so much.

Having deep and meaningful themes doesn't excuse screaming childish characters for me. It's like speaking with full mouth: I don't care how valuable someone's words are if they spit their food while talking to me.

I disliked battle shonen I have watched so far, and that's my conscious choice to avoid them. If you want to change my mind, feel free to recommend something short and cool, I'll check it out.

And watching something as long as One Piece or Naruto is just a waste of time imo. Dragged things lack talent and creativity, be it books, tv series or anime - I prefer variety.

@smilebit True, the reverse happens too, there's not a shortage of battle shounen fans who dismiss other genres, but doen't this just put the anime fans who dismiss battle shounen on the same level as them?

The example you gave of person A (battle shounen fan) and person B (non-battle shounen fan) with person B engaging in conversation and person A being dismissive also happens in reverse (i've seen it happen fist hand), my point is, there'll always be anime fans who are curious and enjoy conversations about things they like and dislike just as there are those who dismiss things just because, but this is regardless of what their preferenses are

The hatred of battle shonen is your typical level of teenage attempts to assert themselves through theatrical attacks on what they consider an easy victim. Few people like isekai as a genre, so you don't get any points for hating it. Moe and the idol show have too many passionate fans who will hit you back. At the same time, battle shonens are quite popular among the mainstream public and at the same time do not have elitist fans, so you can easily attack this to pretend to be a person with refined taste.

@RobertBobert
(Battle Shounen fans may not be elitist because there are so many of them ... but they can definitely be proletarians at times, hunting down with forks and torches those they think are dirty elitists just because someone says he doesn't like battle shounen for being shallow. But that's just an insignificant minority that's easy to recognise and therefore to ignore, so I move on.)
There's something else that, from my experience at least, I believe to be true: While most communities just troll you with recommendations (or just overly praising their favorites and trashing yours to tease you) after it becomes clear you don't like their genre, battle shounen fans have this annoying, sincere reaction that they're trying to feed you battle shounen. Either you haven't seen enough episodes of the long-running hit until it gets good, or if you don't like Battle Shounen X, that clearly means Battle Shounen Y is probably made for you.
I've never given a genre so many chances just by extrinsic motives - it also hurts goodwill towards a community when it always claims to be misunderstood instead of just being straight and aggressively defending its point of view (because you actually can't tell if it's worth watching when this mysterious fog of ~deep things that supposedly exist and are only ignored by haters~ arises instead of the bright sunlight of ~don't you dare to insult my Shimarin. Cute girls are cute and you're gay if you can't enjoy it~).

@RobertBobert It's you who put some labels like "teenage attempts", "theatrical attacks" and "pretend to be a person with refined taste" (not sure what else you edited there). So it's not my imagination, you tried to devalue the opinion of the ones who didn't like battle shonen, with no real arguments but your personal bias.

"They see fights and screaming characters and immediately their first instinct is ...it can't possibly be deep." YUP- that's exactly right. Those two things are not deep in any way. You nailed it there.

"I mean there's a reason a lot of people say their lives were changed after watching... One Piece and Naruto". Indeed- and all those people are FIVE.
Kids entertainment is for kids.

"Just because it's packed with fights scenes..." Yes, it being packed with just fights does mean it lacks substance. That is precisely the description of lacking in substance. I AGREE.

Easily digestible action (your words)

is just that.

Word "typical" implies generalisation.

People may love or hate whatever they love or hate, it doesn't make them angry teens or whatever.

In fact, it's you that angry teen who targets the minority with your humiliating statements relying on the support of majority of battle shonen fans lol.

And I find it really funny you decided to argue rather than read what I wrote.

Pretty much right. In general, I think the obsession with demographics & the term battle shounen is retarded.

@LoveYourSmile Is that all? Just because of the word “typical” you decided that when I criticize hatred of the genre, I criticize any criticism of the genre? And that's why you persistently try to reproach me for this, signaling your virtues at the top of your lungs? And at the same time you are even trying to reproach me for my inability to read? I don't even know what's more outrageous. The fact that you literally reproach me for disagreeing with you, or the fact that you unironically accuse me of not wanting to read what you write after literally provoking an argument by desperately trying to shove points into my mouth that I never said.

I would tell you to touch the grass if I didn't realize that it would be too far for you to fly to it from space. Not to mention the fact that you don’t seem to understand how hatred differs from simple dislike. Well, or you understand and are simply trying to defend your obvious hatred of the genre in this way.

You're 17. When you get older you'll understand that this genre is mostly garbage targeted at the most common denominator, teenagers, who are too fresh out of the womb to be able to discern quality from mediocrity.
There's a few outliers here and there, like DBZ, but most battle shounen is unremarkable and riddled with cliches, boring characters that only appeal to early teens, and terrible pacing, plus fillers. Shit like One Piece could be a watchable experience if it was condensed into 200 episodes. But no, they purposefully waste the viewer's time just because there's not enough source material, and they obstinately decided that this show must air on a weekly basis. So what we get is a show with 5-10 minutes of recaps of previous episodes, long panning camera shots where nothing is happening, pointless and trivial dialogues that don't serve any purpose, and even the voice actors are instructed to speak very slowly to pad out the episode's length. It's hilarious how battle shounen watchers have no respect for their own time and continue to rate this trash show highly.

@ShinyLotus How is this different from any passionate fans of any genre? Not to mention that fans and the genre itself are two different things.

@LoveYourSmile You are refuting a thesis that you yourself came up with. I'm just saying that hating battle shonen becomes an easy way to stroke your ego. No less and no more.

You made an incorrect and unethical generalization in you original post, I pointed to that. You decided to argue, and that resulted on a conversation. "signaling your virtues at the top of your lungs" sounds quite a theatrical teenage attack you wrote above. And "reproach me for my inability to read" clearly makes sense, because you fight watermills here,I don't even attack the genre or you personally, but I insist your generalization was incorrect.



I see literally zero arguments in your postings, and now you target my personality. That's quite a bold statement from someone saying loud words about teens asserting themselves by attacking others. I mean you could just agree the generalization was incorrect and move over (or prove it was correct, which you didn't), but well...