| Hello, since some time ago i have been wanting to get into the Fate series, I was planning on reading the OG VN (im still in the earliest parts), then see the animes, and I was even playing Extra. With the broadcast start of Fate/Strange Fake i wanted to start watching it, but I wanted to know if reading/seeing the first Fate are required to understand/avoid spoilers the anime or it is its own stand alone thing (Im assuming some moments or references will go over my head)? Thanks, |
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| Fate/Strange Fake's exact temporal relationship to other Fate entries is somewhat ambiguous but it does take place in the 2000s some time after some version of the Fifth Holy Grail War covered in Fate, Unlimited Blade Works, and Heavens Feel, but not actually any one of them specifically. Versions of characters who appear in the original Fate routes and their collective prequel Fate/Zero reappear in Strange Fake. Fate/Zero's anime adaptation is fantastic and well worth a watch. (If reading the original Fate VN I would personally absolutely recommend the non-H Realta Nua version (IE the one on Steam) over the original H version because they are absolutely fucking terrible sex scenes.) |
| "The suburbs dream of violence. Asleep in their drowsy villas, sheltered by benevolent shopping malls, they wait patiently for the nightmares that will wake them into a more passionate world." - JG Ballard, Kingdom Come (2006) |
| you can understand like 90% of the story of fate strange fake the other 10% are about old characters or cameos |
| The games are only loosely related, and created different offshoots but with some established servants (and many many others) Hopefully you've watched the first Strange-Fake movie #1. That should really be enough. FSF is a different animal, as long as you get what the grail war is supposed to be about, maybe what the curse is, and how master/servant relationships usually work- you're good. Although FSF introduces an even more unusual master/servant relationship I would recommend Fate/Zero as the starter anime, seems most people do. But a lot of the anime are different from each other (and UBW is crap) A far better choice to learn about Shirou besides the original 2006 anime is Heaven's Feel. |
| "Fate/Strange fake watch requirements?" 1. Those kind of questions are pointless before the show has aired, it could be even suitable for stand-alone consumption...we actually don't know. 2. Fate/Zero explains the core concept, so you can go on any vector after it. |
alshuDec 31, 2024 12:57 AM
Reply to alshu
"Fate/Strange fake watch requirements?"
1. Those kind of questions are pointless before the show has aired, it could be even suitable for stand-alone consumption...we actually don't know.
2. Fate/Zero explains the core concept, so you can go on any vector after it.
1. Those kind of questions are pointless before the show has aired, it could be even suitable for stand-alone consumption...we actually don't know.
2. Fate/Zero explains the core concept, so you can go on any vector after it.
| @alshu The light novel series is almost ten years old. |
| "The suburbs dream of violence. Asleep in their drowsy villas, sheltered by benevolent shopping malls, they wait patiently for the nightmares that will wake them into a more passionate world." - JG Ballard, Kingdom Come (2006) |
| It's a stand-alone series, so just watch the special that aired a year and a half ago and you're good to go. Of course, you get a better understanding of the Holy Grail War if you watched Fate/Zero or Fate/Apocrypha beforehand, but it's not necessary to do. |
09philj said: The light novel series is almost ten years old. 1. I never read the Strange Fake so I can't tell. 2. Imagine the anime being different in certain aspects that the source. For example Gundam The Origin adapting only a segment from the orirginal manga and being suitable for stand-alone watching. |
alshuDec 31, 2024 1:02 AM
| It's a mess of ideas from all around the Fate world, but you can watch and understand it by just watching it on its own just fine. |
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Reply to Zero0Two0
@alshu you are imagining too much, its more normal for anime adaptations to follow the source material
| @Zero0Two0 Still can't be 100% sure. Swagernator said: by just watching it on its own just fine You are saying this about a show which haven't aired yet...and judging by the pilot episode, people not familiar with Fate can be a bit confused and disoriented. |
alshuDec 31, 2024 7:40 AM
| Thank you all for the replies! Thanks to FGO, Fate Extella I have some knowledge of tha grail wars, so i think im going to give it shot! |
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KenaiPhoenix said: Thanks to FGO, Fate Extella I have some knowledge of tha grail wars, so i think im going to give it shot! At least watch the Fate/strange Fake: Whispers of Dawn special aka episode 0. The first episode of Fate/strange Fake assumes that you have done that. |
| You definitely should watch Lord El-Melloi, because it references it's events. |
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| Actually, unlike Monogatari series, you can watch each Nasuverse as a standalone because most of them exist in separate timelines with their own rules. Strange Fake, takes place after Zero, El-Melloi, And shortly after Fate/stay night. So, you might want to check those out first. Zero (totally skipable) - El-Melloi (watch it if you want some back story of some characters, but still skipable ) - SN (can skip this entirely) - SF Here's the simplest Nasuverse stack I made based on chronological order: https://myanimelist.net/stacks/58240 |
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Fate's a weird beast...when one of these threads pops up, you'll always get a bunch of people saying "It's a side-story" or "It's a stand-alone" implying that you can just watch it and it'll be fine...but that's almost always inaccurate; you're probably going to be completely lost, regardless of the "stand-alone" nature of the current story. All of these side-stories still build from basic knowledge about the universe, and none of them give you that knowledge very well if you don't have the foundational stories under your belt. Of course, if you're not someone who sweats the details, you may still enjoy it just fine...but that's not my personality. I hate going into a show and seeing things that I know are definitely references to something else (because they're presented in that "hey fans, look at this" way), but I don't know what the reference is to. That said, I think non-sequential storytelling is valid mechanism, and I think Fate leans into that very well. As such, the order I tell people who want to get into Fate is:
Once you've watched those, you're good to watch anything else in whatever order and probably be ok...I do still think you should probably watch Lord El-Melloi before Fate/strange Fake, though. Side note: I place Heaven's Feel before Unlimited Blade Works because I think it's more cinematic to watch in that order; lots of people reverse the two. The order I specify also has the benefit of giving you a little space between the partially repeated SN content at the beginning of UBW. Side note 2: If you don't want to watch -all- of that, you could just watch UBW and Zero, then move on; they give you the info you need, and I think UBW is better than the original SN series...I just think the order I outlined above is better if you think you'll end up watching them all anyway, specifically because SN isn't as well done as UBW; it's a bit of a let-down to watch them in the opposite order. You must watch either UBW or SN before HF, though; those movies leave out a ton of stuff because you're expected to have already seen it before Side note 3: While Fate/Zero does come first chronologically, I felt it was way better to watch it -after- the other 3. Again, it feels more cinematic, because it's providing the backstory to the things you likely had questions about from all the stuff you just watched; the non-sequential storytelling I referenced earlier |
MiaAyendeDec 31, 2024 8:56 PM
Reply to MiaAyende
Fate's a weird beast...when one of these threads pops up, you'll always get a bunch of people saying "It's a side-story" or "It's a stand-alone" implying that you can just watch it and it'll be fine...but that's almost always inaccurate; you're probably going to be completely lost, regardless of the "stand-alone" nature of the current story. All of these side-stories still build from basic knowledge about the universe, and none of them give you that knowledge very well if you don't have the foundational stories under your belt. Of course, if you're not someone who sweats the details, you may still enjoy it just fine...but that's not my personality. I hate going into a show and seeing things that I know are definitely references to something else (because they're presented in that "hey fans, look at this" way), but I don't know what the reference is to. That said, I think non-sequential storytelling is valid mechanism, and I think Fate leans into that very well. As such, the order I tell people who want to get into Fate is:
Once you've watched those, you're good to watch anything else in whatever order and probably be ok...I do still think you should probably watch Lord El-Melloi before Fate/strange Fake, though.
Side note: I place Heaven's Feel before Unlimited Blade Works because I think it's more cinematic to watch in that order; lots of people reverse the two. The order I specify also has the benefit of giving you a little space between the partially repeated SN content at the beginning of UBW.
Side note 2: If you don't want to watch -all- of that, you could just watch UBW and Zero, then move on; they give you the info you need, and I think UBW is better than the original SN series...I just think the order I outlined above is better if you think you'll end up watching them all anyway, specifically because SN isn't as well done as UBW; it's a bit of a let-down to watch them in the opposite order. You must watch either UBW or SN before HF, though; those movies leave out a ton of stuff because you're expected to have already seen it before
Side note 3: While Fate/Zero does come first chronologically, I felt it was way better to watch it -after- the other 3. Again, it feels more cinematic, because it's providing the backstory to the things you likely had questions about from all the stuff you just watched; the non-sequential storytelling I referenced earlier
- original Fate/stay night series
- Heaven's Feel movies
- Unlimited Blade Works series (ignore the movie)
- Fate/Zero
Once you've watched those, you're good to watch anything else in whatever order and probably be ok...I do still think you should probably watch Lord El-Melloi before Fate/strange Fake, though.
Side note: I place Heaven's Feel before Unlimited Blade Works because I think it's more cinematic to watch in that order; lots of people reverse the two. The order I specify also has the benefit of giving you a little space between the partially repeated SN content at the beginning of UBW.
Side note 2: If you don't want to watch -all- of that, you could just watch UBW and Zero, then move on; they give you the info you need, and I think UBW is better than the original SN series...I just think the order I outlined above is better if you think you'll end up watching them all anyway, specifically because SN isn't as well done as UBW; it's a bit of a let-down to watch them in the opposite order. You must watch either UBW or SN before HF, though; those movies leave out a ton of stuff because you're expected to have already seen it before
Side note 3: While Fate/Zero does come first chronologically, I felt it was way better to watch it -after- the other 3. Again, it feels more cinematic, because it's providing the backstory to the things you likely had questions about from all the stuff you just watched; the non-sequential storytelling I referenced earlier
| @MiaAyende I'll have to get started on that 😆 |
Reply to TokisakiKurumi
Actually, unlike Monogatari series, you can watch each Nasuverse as a standalone because most of them exist in separate timelines with their own rules.
Strange Fake, takes place after Zero, El-Melloi, And shortly after Fate/stay night. So, you might want to check those out first.
Zero (totally skipable) - El-Melloi (watch it if you want some back story of some characters, but still skipable ) - SN (can skip this entirely) - SF
Here's the simplest Nasuverse stack I made based on chronological order:
https://myanimelist.net/stacks/58240
Strange Fake, takes place after Zero, El-Melloi, And shortly after Fate/stay night. So, you might want to check those out first.
Zero (totally skipable) - El-Melloi (watch it if you want some back story of some characters, but still skipable ) - SN (can skip this entirely) - SF
Here's the simplest Nasuverse stack I made based on chronological order:
https://myanimelist.net/stacks/58240
| Nb: Yes, while the Nasuverse is vast and interconnected, that doesn't mean you can't enjoy it in anyway you want. Each series has its own timeline and rules. So, if someone watches, for example, Grand Order without watching Zero, they won't be completely lost. This isn't like Monogatari, which constantly adds references from other Monogatari and expects you to know them all. If someone want to learn about a specific Grail War (A, B, or C), they can simply watch that series as a standalone. However, if they want to understand how the universe functions and how its parts are interconnected, they'll need to watch, read, and play through the entire Nasuverse. Yes, because Nasuverse spans across all forms of media. But not everyone wants to consume that much. So, just as Gigguk said,"DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT! " Btw, aside from Canaan, all Nasuverse are canons. Yeah, including that funny Carnival Phantasm. How? Don't worry about it! Tips for a newcomer: Just watch in any way you want, don't listen to the elitists. You can watch the other series sooner or later and see how each series interconnects by yourself. Don't be overwhelmed, just enjoy it! Join us in this endless Nasuverse rabbit hole KUHAHAHAHAHA!!! XD |
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| Watch Zero first before starting to watch anything Fate. |
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