| Most anime have progressive messages and political ideas but yet Japan is so conservative. Anime tend to be against racism and against the status quo while Japan is one of the most xenophobic countries out there and their society follow the proverb "The nail that sticks out gets hammered down" |
CosmicWhoreJul 1, 2023 3:11 PM
| Maybe because anime like all other arts is supposed to be provocative and invoke some deep emotion and reaction from viewers, be it positive or negative like outrage and approval. |
CosmicWhore said: Most anime have progressive messages and political ideas but yet Japan is so conservative. Anime tend to be against racism and against the status quo while Japan is one of the most xenophobic countries out there and their society follow the proverb "The nail that sticks out gets hammered down" If you are under the impression that contemporary Anime has progressive messages and political ideas there is a simple explanation here. The Japanese government doesn't control the Anime industry anymore than the Governments in the West control Hollywood. Free market capitalism at it's best where Government doesn't control what is being produced by private businesses and companies. The Japanese people could also likely be just closet progressives since it's obvious the Anime industry is not being harmed by what is being currently produced in this industry. In general it's mostly the older generations in Japan that are seen as xenophobic and it's like any country where it's mostly people in rural parts of the nation with extremely low populations. |
ColourWheelJul 1, 2023 4:59 PM
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| It's an escape valve for all the pressure which living in such a country generates. |
| I would like to think that Japanese society is so little interested in what politicians do that they vote for Ken Akamatsu for the Diet. |
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| Because anime usually targets a young audience, it's messages are often very simplistic, naive and idealistic. Just because the heroes oppose the maniacal emperor who oppresses the beast races (for no apparent reason other than to be evil) doesn't really mean anything beyond the surface level. |
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| Art tends to be more progressive than conservative. |
| If you're a fanboy, please don't waste my time. Watch more movies, please. Perhaps, this is hell. |
| Funny you seem to think there is a definitive answer to desribe the inner feelings and the reasoning of a whole Nation xDD It's a different culture, my dude....No biggie. |
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| Anime is progressive towards the land of degeneracy and the likes? Yes, yes they are. What a big fat ugly and smelly Sphynx loser. |
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| Anime is not progressive lol. It's commercial, promotes conservative values (maybe because all the manga-ka are older and drawing from their earlier experiences, notice how the technology and customs of anime settings are always a decade out of date). Anime promotes Japanese culture from a decade ago on anything that matters. It gives teenagers an expressive "out" in rebelling against authority while at the same time promoting community values, stable families, moral absolutism and living up to expectations. Anime otakus in Japan are more conservative than the general public. It's arguable whether Western anime fans are progressive or liberal; however, that anime fans are the first ones to trash Korean or Chinese anime provides one data point for what this is all actually about. You often see Japanophiles that do not actually have an open mind toward new experiences in general, as in their enthusiasm about Japanese culture doesn't translate to an enthusiasm about anything else. |
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| Not sure, but I wish my country had the same levels of freedom of speech. |
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| Idk where you get the idea that anime is progressive. You mean the MC is progressive? Let's take an Isekai or fantasy for example. Slavery is legal, humans are the most dominant race (outside of something like demons or angels), Elves are there just to be this busty fuck toy for slave owners, Beast people are treated lower than even human slaves. Women are basically graped Left and right (depending on what you watch). The anime itself isn't progressive, or at least the world that it's in isn't. But because the anime is seen through the lens of the MC, then those messages are more prominent. It's like the real world, the country down south of me is basically Liberals vs Conservatives, but that's because both sides are complete idiots that only see black and white. People are gray, and that makes them more interesting than just sticking to one side because they don't have any opinions if their own. |
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| Anime is not "progressive", mystery solved. |
| If you reply back to me and I never respond, I lost interest and don't care. Sorry about that. |
| Because the government doesn't make anime/manga, and the mangaka who make these progressive series have more progressive views compared to their country's politicians. You do realize that the country generally being "conservative" doesn't mean that everyone who lives there is conservative, right? (Not to mention that their idea of "conservatism" is probably much more reasonable than ours (America's)) (Note: I specify America, cause that's the country I'm from, and I know that not everyone on this forum is from America. "Conservatism" in this country has gotten completely out of hand) |
| I don't think you actually understand what a "conservative country" is. That refers to the politics rather than the people. But sure, I'll bite. Art is generally progressive in nature because artists tend to be left leaning for a lot of reasons. Emotional maturity is a big one - artists tend to be more in touch with their emotions and are able to sympathise easier with people of different backgrounds to them. A lot of artists also experience low economic status or poverty, making them more sympathetic to others in those sorts of situations. I'm not saying that all artists are progressive. There are many conservative artists. I'm just saying that most artists are generally more open to change and understanding than your run of the mill conservative. |
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| America is probably just as xenophobic if not more than Japan. The asian hate crimes can attest to that and how asian women are fetishized and asian men demonized. Democrats in America can be considered right wing in canada and Australia. So race argument can be seen both ways since the world generally likes light skin people Yuri/loli stuff usually just sells to peeverted guys similiar to lesbian porn. Notice how the girls in yuri loli have long hair, erotic bodies, youthful and don't cut their hair. Like when risa was rubbing her naked body against naked momo. Literally just a scene for men to fap to. Also women tend to display pda to other girls since it is seen as socially acceptable and they are more sexually fluid than men. Yaoi is no different since the men often have told looking faces, fit, tall and just appeals to women. They aren't obese, aging, hairy. The good thing anime does it doesn't promote illegal drugs |
| Art and creativity in general appeals to progressive people and ideas. Art generally tends to be more progressive than the culture around it and this can be due to the ability to critique social and political issues in a creative way using things like allegory and symbolism. Obviously if you compare what is considered progressive in one culture vs. another it will be different (some things that are seen as ground breaking ideas in one culture may be seen as normal and a common part of everyday life in another for example) but generally this seems to apply to most art around the world. |
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| You're better off ditching the loaded buzzwords, as they're both extremely ambiguous while also being overly rigid in their application. I'll also guarantee no one in this thread calling art "progressive" even has the faintest clue what they're talking about. Namely because one glance at history shows that the greatest art - for thousands of years - has resulted in trying to capture & preserve things believed to be eternal & unchanging. Edit: More to your point, Japan's culture doesn't translate to western standards & expectations. I often find that the average anime has a fair balance of themes that can go either way. What often happens is that western fans will take one specific example in a show and amplify it as proof that said anime is wholly supportive of their specific ideology. Funniest instance of this was when I saw both a republican & democrat who both loved MHA for the same reason but thought their political party has some rightful claim to the show. |
ZekkenshinJul 1, 2023 10:06 PM
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| Coz thyrnt western where always complain and blame everytime everywhere until their die lollllll as simple as that |
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petran79 said: And that would be what? And your observation is based on what sources?Even Hayao Miyazaki did the complete opposite of what you see in his movies As a matter of fact Ghibli co-founder Isao Takahata was a public supporter of Japan's Communist Party, and chaired their film maker organization Eigajin Kyūjō no Kai (映画人九条の会). He put focus on social injustice and getting organized. Miyazaki's public statements were a little bit more neutral, but clearly on the left side. His topics are ecology and women's equality. |
inimJul 2, 2023 1:42 AM
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| Not all anime have progressive messages, far from it from what I've seen so far and just because Japan is conservative doesn't mean they have to censor non conservative media. Remember that Green Day were doing their best in terms of sales criticizing Bush 43 while he was in office. |
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| If by progressive you mean whatever Hollywood is doing then anime is mostly innocent of that crime. |
| Anime is not as progressive as Hollywood for example. Of course that differs between individual titles Not sure why you contrast "The nail that sticks out gets hammered down" with progressivism. You can be progressive and follow the same approach, like woke retards nowadays or commies during the USSR. Its woke retards that try to shut me down on MAL for being against feminism. Boomers used to protest conservatism in the US and oppose then prevalent views. Nowadays their hippy views are mainstream dogma and they defend it just like their opponents used to defend conservative views back in the 60s. They in turn are challenged by Millennials with Alt-Right/Lite views. Boomers spread their lies like Alt-Right is some form of fascism, however it is very sensible ideology that tries to undo feminism and subordinate women to men. It is not like fascism, Nazism or even conservatism of the old days. |
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| Japan is not really that conservative. They are just behind the west wich is why they look so reactionary in comparisons to Western Europe and North America. Japan is basically were the west was in the 90s/00s. |
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