| those type of people are just picky, the only shows that i think have bad animation is the old shows, i haven't found one bad one yet and i don't think i will. People just need to be grateful for the hard work that the studio puts into the show. if they don't like the animation then simply don't watch or maybe animate the show themselves. |
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| A-1 made Sora no Woto so it cannot be that bad. On the other hand they also made Hairy Fail I personally do not think there is a studio that consistently makes only good or bad shows. How good or bad it is a lot more depends on director and scriptwriter. Though even good directors can sometimes do less than good. |
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| It is unfair, but its understandable though. An anime like Demon Slayer was a decent in manga form, but brought to another level with its animation. Thats a big deal to a lot of people since often adaptations are worse than the source material. |
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| Only zoomers care about animation quality. |
KanekiKen523 said: A studio doesn't dictate the quality of an anime. Honestly this is the worst part of this already horrible and asinine take. I do believe criticizing studios for their flaws and pointing out their sometimes egregiously bad decision making and level of quality control is very much justified and valid. Just because you like a studio, it doesn't give it privileged immunity and therefore not subject to criticism. Get your "enjoyment" and positivity bullshit out of here. People dislike studios like Deen, Pierrot and Queen Bee for obvious reasons; they generally make some of the worst looking shit out there. Take Deen's "Pupa" adaptation-- an abominable catastrophe of an adaptation that not only looks like shit but completely butchers the story and characters. The end result is a quarter-assed bucket of camel piss and elephant diarrhea. Would you want Deen to adapt Solo Leveling? Or what about Pierrot? They're responsible for completely fucking up the Tokyo Ghoul adaptations. Would you want them to adapt Solo Leveling at the cost of skipping like 80% of its content and making it into an incomprehensible mess with stiff animation? Or would you want *shudder* IDEA FACTORY to adapt it? The same studio behind arguably the two worst anime ever made? Mars of Destruction and Skelter Heaven? What if I made my own studio, with the intention of making only shit adaptations? First off, I'd start off by making the Solo Leveling anime full 3D CGI-- but not just any software will do, I'll make it in Koikatsu! Then I'll skip 50% of the dialogue from each chapter so the audience becomes confused and they'll miss important details. Then I'll cut as much content as I want, skipping several chapters and important fights and characters. Then season 1 will end on a cliffhanger and when season 2 comes out, it'll just skip like 50 chapters ahead. Would you hate my studio if every anime I made turned out like that? I think you would. |
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| If you hate the word "hate", just think about another word for "studio that made a lot of anime I didn't like". The negative reputation of some studios comes after seeing their underwhelming works; no one complained about Kaguya-sama just because it was made by A-1, for example. J.C. Staff is one of my favorite studios, but I can't deny that their track record as a whole isn't that good. Animation studios do matter. You could say that the staff is what really matters, but the best staff usually doesn't end up working for the worst studios. Exceptions exist and that's why it's dumb to criticize something before it airs just after seeing the name of the studio, I can agree with that. |
| Sure but then they started making 100s of isekai every season |
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| Hating on studios like MAPPA, JC Staff or A-1 Pictures is just baiting and seeking attention because they produce a lot of high profile, mainstream anime. But there are some studios, that geniuenly turn everything they touch into shit, like GEEKTOYS, GoHands and Queen Bee. |
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| hating stuff is dumb to be honest but I see no problems in making fun of it. I don't hate mappa but I find it hilarious how they made cgi for a 30 seconds battle scene and censored puke yet they animated a guy smoking a cig for 3 minutes and censored denji's song about workers rights. another thing, mappa can't animate 2 naked guys throwing 2 punches so they used cg but in anothwr episode they animated 2 people walking on a staircase and they thought it's a good idea to smear characters' faces with vertical lines. these things combined are just funny because it happens with all mappa anime, comedic inconsistencies no point in hating |
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| the name of an anime studio stopped being a seal of quality the day gainax died, the majority of them have fallen down the same pit that the entire anime industry is plumetting down |
KanekiKen523 said: A studio doesn't dictate the quality of an anime. Yes, yes it does… The studio practically dictates everything. On the surface level, it’s animation, the studio is the one providing a workforce who’ll do most of the in between animations, but that is not that important in the end. Going a bit further, the studio most of the time indicates staff, there are many directors and producers in the industry that are either: 1) Under a contract 2) In close relations to a studio Which means if you hope for an anime to get a certain director or producer who is tied to a studio, well… tough luck if the studio doesn’t pick it up. Going further than even that, there are some animators who are industry LEGENDS who everyone hopes will work on their anime, but those animators can be bound under a contract to only work for a single studio. The most notorious example being Yutaka Nakamura, one of the greatest 2D animators who ever lived with an extremely unique style that cannot be replicated (who pioneered a freaking style of animating debris and destruction via the infamous “Yutapon cubes”) who is bound to an exclusive contract to studio Bones. He hasn’t worked on a single anime outside studio Bones since he got a contract (outside of One Punch Man where he had to use a fake name and that was a hard “one time” thing) and you’ll never see him animate your favorite upcoming anime if it’s not being made by Bones. Of course, freelancers are not counted here. A little addition to that point is the fact that some studios just focus on different animation styles than the others. An anime by studio Orange will probably be 3D CGI, an anime by Science SARU will always be a digital animation and an anime by Kyoto Animation will always be traditional animation. If they are adapting a manga, it can be a case of anime looking VERY differently depending on the studio, the artstyle will match the manga, but the animation style will be completely dependant on the studio. But probably the most important influence a studio has over an anime is production planning. The effect that dictates how they’ll make an anime, this most notably includes: time and resources. There are studios who make one anime at a time and studios that make multiple anime at a time, the difference in the final product is VERY noticeable. Studios that tend to make only one to two at a time are the ones that get the reputation of being “best of the best”, that includes everyones favorite (not mine) Ufotable, it includes CoMix Wave, Kyoto Animation for the most part, White Fox and so on… while there are other studios who produce as much shit as they can all at the same time where you’ll find your favorite A1, JC Staff, Mappa and so on… I’m not saying that there are no bad anime at “one at a time” studios or that there are no good anime at “as much shit as possible” studios, I’m just saying that the end products have significant differences when it comes to level of detail and focus. The other aspect I mentioned is resources, which basically boils down to: - studios where all the staff works on an anime at the same time, and - studios where the work force is split into teams with degrading level of talent. Basically, when you have a studio like White Fox for example, most of the animes they make get full attention of most of the staff working there and you can be sure that if they harbor any major talent, that talent is practically guaranteed to work on their upcoming anime. On the other hand, you get studios with A, B and C teams where you gamble and await the release of your anticipated anime to see if it got the good team, or the mediocre team (usually we always know who’ll work on it and the difference in team’s talent is mot THAT big, but it’s still very noticeable), the most famous example of this is MAPPA which has a team that does filler seasonal stuff like Isekais and forgotten originals, a team that does their premium shonen money printing stuff like Jujustu Kaisen (and there is another separate team that does Chainsaw Man but a number of staff has been shared between them), there’s a team that does Attack on Titan which doesn’t really get their best talent, there is also a team that does premium movies like Alice and Therese’s Illusion Factory but we don’t know much about them since that’s a fairly new thing. In essence, none of those teams are bad, it’s just a case of them all being very different in their output, with some teams and anime getting A LOT more attention (and time and money) than the others, that will always be the case with big studios like those and that’s why they’re a gamble and people dislike them. Heck, A1 is the same thing as MAPPA but just downgrade every team’s talent by 50%, they’re all individually not as talented as MAPPA, but people hate them because they choose to just make as much shit as possible at once and it all ends up 2nd rate, but if they all came together and worked unified on a single anime it would turn out amazing. Everybody hates then because their production management is just greedy and outputs unfinished and uninspired shit for profit, butchering the IPs reputation and blocking it out from ever getting picked up by another studio. Those are just some of the different kinds of influences a studio has over an anime’s production, if people hate on some studios, it’s 100% because of one of these factors, because the studio cripples the anime with one of these. |
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| Yup, I think it's both dumb and cringe. :| |
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| uh whats wrong with A-1 their kaguya movie animation was nothing short of stellar |
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| A studio which have consistently made bad animes can make a good one if they have good budget. So quality of anime doesn't depend on studio but the money they are provided with. |
| Nah, I know that anime fans here hate Soyny. So that's why A-1 Pictures and CloverWorks deserve to get hated on. But the real goat is EMT Squared, that studio is perfect and deserves no hate. |
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TheAngryNerd said: This is actually the asinine take and you didn't even understood what OP was saying. What OP is saying, and this is absolutely true, is not that you shouldn't criticize studios because "i like them" but because they actually DON'T INFLUENCE THE QUALITY. What do you even think specifically a studio is? There are exception (KyoAni being the most famous one) of studios that actually do have a "style" and a specific way of working but those are the exceptions, not the rule, for almost every studio each project is entirely different from each other, even in the basic organization and funding (you just have to think how MAPPA managed the committee for CSM differently than for any other of their works). The vast majority of animators and in general a lot of people in anime industry are free-lancer that get hired for specific projects by the studios, they're not "employee" for the studio and you could find them in the project of any other studios (below i'll list some responding to another user)KanekiKen523 said: A studio doesn't dictate the quality of an anime. Honestly this is the worst part of this already horrible and asinine take. I do believe criticizing studios for their flaws and pointing out their sometimes egregiously bad decision making and level of quality control is very much justified and valid. Just because you like a studio, it doesn't give it privileged immunity and therefore not subject to criticism. Get your "enjoyment" and positivity bullshit out of here. People dislike studios like Deen, Pierrot and Queen Bee for obvious reasons; they generally make some of the worst looking shit out there. Take Deen's "Pupa" adaptation-- an abominable catastrophe of an adaptation that not only looks like shit but completely butchers the story and characters. The end result is a quarter-assed bucket of camel piss and elephant diarrhea. Would you want Deen to adapt Solo Leveling? Or what about Pierrot? They're responsible for completely fucking up the Tokyo Ghoul adaptations. Would you want them to adapt Solo Leveling at the cost of skipping like 80% of its content and making it into an incomprehensible mess with stiff animation? Or would you want *shudder* IDEA FACTORY to adapt it? The same studio behind arguably the two worst anime ever made? Mars of Destruction and Skelter Heaven? What if I made my own studio, with the intention of making only shit adaptations? First off, I'd start off by making the Solo Leveling anime full 3D CGI-- but not just any software will do, I'll make it in Koikatsu! Then I'll skip 50% of the dialogue from each chapter so the audience becomes confused and they'll miss important details. Then I'll cut as much content as I want, skipping several chapters and important fights and characters. Then season 1 will end on a cliffhanger and when season 2 comes out, it'll just skip like 50 chapters ahead. Would you hate my studio if every anime I made turned out like that? I think you would. Tendo_GM said: "Going a bit further, the studio most of the time indicates staff, there are many directors and producers in the industry that are either:KanekiKen523 said: A studio doesn't dictate the quality of an anime. Yes, yes it does… The studio practically dictates everything. On the surface level, it’s animation, the studio is the one providing a workforce who’ll do most of the in between animations, but that is not that important in the end. Going a bit further, the studio most of the time indicates staff, there are many directors and producers in the industry that are either: 1) Under a contract 2) In close relations to a studio Which means if you hope for an anime to get a certain director or producer who is tied to a studio, well… tough luck if the studio doesn’t pick it up. Going further than even that, there are some animators who are industry LEGENDS who everyone hopes will work on their anime, but those animators can be bound under a contract to only work for a single studio. The most notorious example being Yutaka Nakamura, one of the greatest 2D animators who ever lived with an extremely unique style that cannot be replicated (who pioneered a freaking style of animating debris and destruction via the infamous “Yutapon cubes”) who is bound to an exclusive contract to studio Bones. He hasn’t worked on a single anime outside studio Bones since he got a contract (outside of One Punch Man where he had to use a fake name and that was a hard “one time” thing) and you’ll never see him animate your favorite upcoming anime if it’s not being made by Bones. Of course, freelancers are not counted here. A little addition to that point is the fact that some studios just focus on different animation styles than the others. An anime by studio Orange will probably be 3D CGI, an anime by Science SARU will always be a digital animation and an anime by Kyoto Animation will always be traditional animation. If they are adapting a manga, it can be a case of anime looking VERY differently depending on the studio, the artstyle will match the manga, but the animation style will be completely dependant on the studio. But probably the most important influence a studio has over an anime is production planning. The effect that dictates how they’ll make an anime, this most notably includes: time and resources. There are studios who make one anime at a time and studios that make multiple anime at a time, the difference in the final product is VERY noticeable. Studios that tend to make only one to two at a time are the ones that get the reputation of being “best of the best”, that includes everyones favorite (not mine) Ufotable, it includes CoMix Wave, Kyoto Animation for the most part, White Fox and so on… while there are other studios who produce as much shit as they can all at the same time where you’ll find your favorite A1, JC Staff, Mappa and so on… I’m not saying that there are no bad anime at “one at a time” studios or that there are no good anime at “as much shit as possible” studios, I’m just saying that the end products have significant differences when it comes to level of detail and focus. The other aspect I mentioned is resources, which basically boils down to: - studios where all the staff works on an anime at the same time, and - studios where the work force is split into teams with degrading level of talent. Basically, when you have a studio like White Fox for example, most of the animes they make get full attention of most of the staff working there and you can be sure that if they harbor any major talent, that talent is practically guaranteed to work on their upcoming anime. On the other hand, you get studios with A, B and C teams where you gamble and await the release of your anticipated anime to see if it got the good team, or the mediocre team (usually we always know who’ll work on it and the difference in team’s talent is mot THAT big, but it’s still very noticeable), the most famous example of this is MAPPA which has a team that does filler seasonal stuff like Isekais and forgotten originals, a team that does their premium shonen money printing stuff like Jujustu Kaisen (and there is another separate team that does Chainsaw Man but a number of staff has been shared between them), there’s a team that does Attack on Titan which doesn’t really get their best talent, there is also a team that does premium movies like Alice and Therese’s Illusion Factory but we don’t know much about them since that’s a fairly new thing. In essence, none of those teams are bad, it’s just a case of them all being very different in their output, with some teams and anime getting A LOT more attention (and time and money) than the others, that will always be the case with big studios like those and that’s why they’re a gamble and people dislike them. Heck, A1 is the same thing as MAPPA but just downgrade every team’s talent by 50%, they’re all individually not as talented as MAPPA, but people hate them because they choose to just make as much shit as possible at once and it all ends up 2nd rate, but if they all came together and worked unified on a single anime it would turn out amazing. Everybody hates then because their production management is just greedy and outputs unfinished and uninspired shit for profit, butchering the IPs reputation and blocking it out from ever getting picked up by another studio. Those are just some of the different kinds of influences a studio has over an anime’s production, if people hate on some studios, it’s 100% because of one of these factors, because the studio cripples the anime with one of these. 1) Under a contract 2) In close relations to a studio Which means if you hope for an anime to get a certain director or producer who is tied to a studio, well… tough luck if the studio doesn’t pick it up." Ah sure, directors are absolutely tied at their studios, i guess that's why: Shingo Natsume is tied to Bones so he never worked on One Punch Man season 1 and Sonny Boy with MadHouse and Tatami Time Machine Blues with Science Saru Kazuhiro Furuhashi just in recent years worked for Cloverworks, Sunrise, MAPPA and Nippon Animation Ryuu Nakayama for MAPPA, Cygames Pictures, Cloverworks, Kinema Citrus, Pierrot, Satelight, A-1 Pictures Takaomi Kanasaki for Deen, Tatsunoko, Cygames Pictures, 8bit Akira Amemiya mainly work for Trigger but has worked (counting only post Trigger foundation of course) for Bones, Production I.G., Yostar Pictures, Sunrise and MadHouse I could go on all day. Of course there are directors like Imaishi for Trigger and Shinbo for Shaft but that's far from the norm. Then you use as examples for "studio style" THE exceptions by definition. Do you really think Kyoto Animation is a good example of how things work in general in the anime industry? Same goes for Yutaka Nakamura, what does a single animator being tied to a studio prove? Studios Norio Matsumoto worked in since 2016: Pine Jam, Science Saru, Wit, 8bit, Signal M.D. Bones, Production I.G.; Yuuki Igarashi since 2016: MAPPA, Science Saru, Bones, Kinema Citrus, Production I.G.; Yoshihiko Umakoshi since 2016: Toei, Bones, A-1 Pictures, Deen; Kazuhiro Soeta since 2016: TMS, Sunrise, MadHouse; Ryouta Furukawa since 2016: Science Saru, Production I.G., Bind Studio, 4°C Studio, Wit; Tetsuya Takeuchi since 2014: A-1 Pictures, asread, Aija-do, feel.; Atsushi Wakabayashi since 2016: Pierrot, Telecom Animation Films, OLM, Production Reed, MAPPA; Ryo Araki since 2014: A-1 Pictures, Ajia-do, feel., Production I.G.; Tetsuya Nishio since 2016: Pierrot, Wit, I.G., A-1 Pictures, Signal.MD, Studio Khara; even Yoh Yoshinari that's literally one of the faces of studio Trigger still worked on Kizumonogatari in 2016 And of course "studio DEEN is trash", reason why people freaked out when they had to do Konosuba and guess what? All went good, because the damn studio doesn't influence quality, the staff they employ does (the "production planning" thing is also entirely wrong as well btw since every projec is different from the other and managed differently, as well as all the discourse you made about a "specific way" MAPPA or A1 has to do stuff is entirely made up, ESPECIALLY if we're talking about MAPPA) |
mshfqtny said: It's mostly staff and time for tv anime more than budget, you're right about the studio part tho. Suggested readings about the budget thing: Does An Anime's Budget Affect Its Quality? - Answerman - Anime News Network , The Secret of One-Punch Man's Success - Anime News NetworkA studio which have consistently made bad animes can make a good one if they have good budget. So quality of anime doesn't depend on studio but the money they are provided with. |
| "Anyone else think that it's dumb or cringe to hate on anime studios?" Hating is dumb and cringe to begin with... Calling somebody's dislike "hate" is another example of being dumb and cringe. So yeah, you can dislike any studio...but being obsessively enraged by its work is like punishing yourself for mistakes made by others. |
| No, I don't think is wrong to dislike anime studios, specially when the quality of most of the stuff they makes is trash. |
| Tbh the only studio I won't touch any output of with a ten-foot pole is Queen Bee. Everything else I'm willing to give at least one episode. |
| Hmmm. If you really know a thing about the industry, the hate is misdirected. Do a quick research and you'll find yourself seething with rage about something more. |
| In my opinion, studios that use poor CGI's like Mappa actually deserve more hate. |
| they shouldnt be immune to critisism but the hivemind that seems to always form around hating on these studios can be really annoying and often times undeserved |
Mucharetsu said: i think most of theyre CGI really isnt poor at all except like a tiny bit of chainsaw man mostly just the first episodeIn my opinion, studios that use poor CGI's like Mappa actually deserve more hate. |
| Hate anime studios? For what? Each has its own masterpieces, pluses and minuses. Even if we're talking about the Queen Bee, who are just too memetic to hate. Mucharetsu said: I think MAPPA's terrible working conditions are more problematic than bad CGI. In my opinion, studios that use poor CGI's like Mappa actually deserve more hate. |
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| Not only dumb, cringe but also extremely toxic. I've met some people who hated Ghibli even though they haven't watched a single one from them. Turned out because they hated Disney and Ghibli somehow can be called an Eastern version of it. |
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| Not really to see what Shaft and Madhouse is currently doing i would say hating this two studios right now makes sense. As they have been two of the best studios the last two decades but right now they have released so much garbage they are wasting your time, my time, santas time + the staff times. To work on shows like Kyuuketsuki Sugu Shinu 2 Hakozume: Kouban Joshi no Gyakushuu No Guns Life 2nd SeasonSonny BoyShoumetsu Toshi is a joke. Either the animation is on a level so bad I could do a better job or that the story itself is on the level of a kindergarten wrote it. It's the same with Shaft. I'm a viewer i rate what I see and what i have been experience is pure waste of time and money. So it's 100% justify to hate on what they are doing. If you lower your standrads this much you can't tell us not to hate and be disgust with what they are doing. |
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| 99% of the times, hell yes. most of the hate that studios get are aimed at some of the best anime studios out there. it's fucking stupid. I hate project9 for example. but they just suck. the few show that I have seen from them are some of the blandest most boring looking anime I have ever seen. A-1 is a great studio, and to be honest I haven't seen them do bad, like ever. and jc staff, only gets hate for their opm s2 adaptation, which I do think is mostly deserved. |
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| it is pretty dumb, yeah. Its kinda like this brand loyalty you see in videogames and tech. People who use Apple products are like insane cultists or something and you've got people who seem to believe certain game devs can do no wrong. they'll just buy whatever they make and angrily yell at anyone who doesn't. Most anime studios don't even have a particular style and produce a variety of content, some of which I like and some I don't. But not everything has to cater to me... so I don't hold a grudge against them for it. |
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| Really? I reserve the right to HATE Millepensee and GEMBA for all fucking eternity! If I could wipe out those studios from existence I would. Along with THAT abomination they created. |
| I'm not too picky with studios, as I have seen good shows from various studios. I think Gonzo is the one I think tends to have the lowest quality shows, but there are still a few anime by them that I like. |
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