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Jun 26, 2021 11:05 AM
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I have seen a lot of anime when female characters get decent development and personality yet the community tends to believe most female characters only exist for fanservice and I don't get at all.
Black clover has Noelle,Venessa and Neroo
Chainsaw man has Makima
Skip beat has Kyoko(My favorite so far)
One piece has Nami
86 has Lena.
Madoka magica has Madoka and Homura
There are so many great female characters but people tend to ignore them and just focus on the bad ones.Why is it like that?

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Jun 26, 2021 11:19 AM
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People who say that need to watch more anime.
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Jun 26, 2021 11:25 AM
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^more like, they need to pick their anime better.


I don't thin kthe majority of the community think that. Or else, this means that the majority of the community is in anime just for low quality harem ecchi shows.

Though I disagree about Madoka characters being great (despite having rated Madoka 10 myself). They're definitely not bad, but they're not "great " either.
characters like Kou Shuurei, Holo, Victorique, etc are where it's at for the best female characters out there.
Jun 26, 2021 11:25 AM
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People who say that are a minority.

Their standard of good character is probably like expecting Guts or any other great character in every anime which is kinda very rare.

Most are expecting a female side character to be the best character in a show in which, a male MC or his rival who gets most of the time.

Some are also satisfied if something fresh happens like with JJK females and start over-hyping them.

Also most of them don't watch shoujo, which have a female MC who have higher chances of development than a female in a shounen.
Jun 26, 2021 11:26 AM
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idk how over-exaggerated the claim is



but let's be real, the ratio between great male vs female characters is heavily favouring the former lmao
Jun 26, 2021 11:27 AM
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I think it more just a joke in this community than it actually being serious.
Jun 26, 2021 11:28 AM
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It is usually a loud minority that predominantly consists of femoids that complains about there not being enough female leads in popular action series which is fair I guess.

So they don't really complain about quality or quantity in general but popularity.
Jun 26, 2021 11:34 AM
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Is it actually a myth that the community believes there aren't more great female characters?

I have seen a lot of anime when female characters get decent development and personality yet the community tends to believe most female characters only exist for fanservice and I don't get at all.
I don't think I've seen people go as far as saying "most female characters only exist for fanservice".

Rather, (sexual) fanservice of female is just, a very common feature, regardless of whether the characters are given substantive development and characterization.

It's certainly possible for characters to be both sexualized and fleshed out narratively. The two aren't mutually exclusive.

(The portrayal of female characters in anime is, honestly, a pretty complicated topic.)
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Jun 26, 2021 11:36 AM
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female characters in anime usually have more character and personality than most irl wemen do, tbh xD
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Scordolo said:
Is it actually a myth that the community believes there aren't more great female characters?

I have seen a lot of anime when female characters get decent development and personality yet the community tends to believe most female characters only exist for fanservice and I don't get at all.
Black clover has Noelle,Venessa and Neroo
Chainsaw man has Makima
Skip beat has Kyoko(My favorite so far)
One piece has Nami
86 has Lena.
Madoka magica has Madoka and Homura
There are so many great female characters but people tend to ignore them and just focus on the bad ones.Why is it like that?
Most of the users around here who unironically believes that there aren't any great female characters need to stop watching so much shounen all the time. It sounds like shounen is way more focused on male characters (for obvious reasons), so they need to start watching shoujo and magical girl anime (your example of meguca is a great example of the latter genre here) as they usually feature some good female characters.

As a chad cool cat once said: "If you want to enjoy life, expand your world. You gotta push your horizons out as far as they'll go."
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Scordolo said:
I have seen a lot of anime when female characters get decent development and personality yet the community tends to believe most female characters only exist for fanservice and I don't get at all.
Black clover has Noelle,Venessa and Neroo
Chainsaw man has Makima
Skip beat has Kyoko(My favorite so far)
One piece has Nami
86 has Lena.
Madoka magica has Madoka and Homura
There are so many great female characters but people tend to ignore them and just focus on the bad ones.Why is it like that?

depends on the anime they like as well. Maybe they watch too much harem genre...
Shoujo has a lot of strong female protag, like Yona, Shirayuki etc. Females won't like weak female protag.
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I wouldn't take hyperbolic takes seriously at all.

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Jun 26, 2021 11:55 AM

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It must be people who are new to anime or just have shite taste who say stuff like that. Either that or people trying to raise a fuss to farm internet points

Anime has great female characters more often than not because the better the character the more figures and pillows they can sell of her.

Edit: Also normies tend to think sexy = bad female character.
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Jun 26, 2021 11:56 AM

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I have no idea where you got that opinion from…
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Have a look at my favorite anime. Tons of em if you know where to look
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Female action MC is kinda rare.

But supporting roles? Heavily outweigh males. Us girls are lacking a powerhouse tho for sure. Someone who can go toe to toe with nartuo or goku that would be nice.


But honestly gender doesnt matter
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Jun 26, 2021 12:11 PM

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Depends on what people watch/read, I guess. That question is heavily reliant on personal experience, but if we go by your description of great - there is enough of such characters, but again, it's only according to my experience.
Jun 26, 2021 12:14 PM

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there are an abundance of amazing female characters out there but the thing is that a lot of the people making this claim most likely don’t watch much anime so they don’t even realize they exist (shows with good female protagonists)
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A lot of people are prudes I feel like. I think it's ridiculous for people to discount any development or relevance that a female character has just because sexualization. They preach about appreciating good character writing. But they easily will ignore any writing that a female character has just because of an up-close cleavage shot. They pretend to be more mature than someone who likes fanservice. But yet they have no respect for people who are indifferent to it and label them as having the mind of a horny teen for liking it.
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There are literally thousands upon thousands of tittles of anime, a few arguable examples does not unmake a trend.

The answer is simple, Japan is a fairly conservative society in general and the anime industry in particular heavily dominated by men, who usually grew up with anime that portrayed female characters a certain way, so they draw inspiration on the tropes they know and you get an endless self feeding cycle of mediocre characterization.
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Female action MC is kinda rare.

That's not true... elfen lied, kara no kyoukai, fate/zero, Shakugan no shana, Darling in the franx, these are only first that come in my mind where the main character is female and has the most important/fighting role while the male is the supporting... If you check carefully I'm sure you can find plenty of others.
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Alioune said:
Toxic_Hollow said:
Female action MC is kinda rare.

That's not true... elfen lied, kara no kyoukai, fate/zero, Shakugan no shana, Darling in the franx, these are only first that come in my mind where the main character is female and has the most important/fighting role while the male is the supporting... If you check carefully I'm sure you can find plenty of others. Just because these shows are 'old' and you don't bother watching them, doesn't mean they are rare/doesn't exist.


Elfen lied is definitely a horror not an action

Zero two alll day, same with kill la kill


Shakugan was really weaksause and boring to watch. But i'll take any recommendations you have for females action leads
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Toxic_Hollow said:
Alioune said:

That's not true... elfen lied, kara no kyoukai, fate/zero, Shakugan no shana, Darling in the franx, these are only first that come in my mind where the main character is female and has the most important/fighting role while the male is the supporting... If you check carefully I'm sure you can find plenty of others. Just because these shows are 'old' and you don't bother watching them, doesn't mean they are rare/doesn't exist.


Elfen lied is definitely a horror not an action

Zero two alll day, same with kill la kill


Shakugan was really weaksause and boring to watch. But i'll take any recommendations you have for females action leads


What's this answer? Just because you don't like a show doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Also Elfen Lied may be horror but has some action, indeed it has the Action tag here on mal.
Jun 26, 2021 1:03 PM

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i dont know where you heard this from but i would think it depends on what people read/watch.

no doubt there are some female characters that dont provide any fanservice but from what i've mostly seen most animes portray female characters with fanservice. we just need to watch more animes ig




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It's all people that need to watch more. I only ever see these kinds of discussions amongst all these popular battle shounen communities with people only being able to draw comparisons to a really limited amount of shit published in the same magazine lol.

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female characters in anime usually have more character and personality than most irl wemen do, tbh xD

There's definitely a few stories behind this one lmao.

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Honestly I don't think so. I really think that there really is a lack of good female characters in anime. Not that I think they aren't there at all, but very few when compared to the amount of great male characters. I personally have issues with most of the characters that the OP has mentioned.
1. Noelle, Venessa and Nero, although well-developed, are among those characters that don't have a personality other than that one trait that the author has given them (e.g every time Noelle is on screen during a relax moment, she's gonna be acting tsundere.) But that's a problem with most of Black Clover's main cast. They're just one-dimensional in terms of personality.
2. Nami was amazing pre-timeskip, but post-timeskip, there just hasn't been enough of her, especially not in the development department (she's had some moments in the manga recently tho). Same goes for Robin.
3. Lena is primarily a reactionary character. Not that there's anything wrong with it, but I think that she just needs time to reach her potential imo.
4. Ok, with Homura, I agree, great character. But Madoka? I don't really get where you're coming from.
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Honestly I don't think so. I really think that there really is a lack of good female characters in anime. Not that I think they aren't there at all, but very few when compared to the amount of great male characters. I personally have issues with most of the characters that the OP has mentioned.
1. Noelle, Venessa and Nero, although well-developed, are among those characters that don't have a personality other than that one trait that the author has given them (e.g every time Noelle is on screen during a relax moment, she's gonna be acting tsundere.) But that's a problem with most of Black Clover's main cast.
2. Nami was amazing pre-timeskip, but post-timeskip, there just hasn't been enough of her, especially not in the development department (she's had some moments in the manga recently tho). Same goes for Robin.
3. Lena is primarily a reactionary character. Not that there's anything wrong with it, but I think that she just needs time to reach her potential imo.
4. Ok, with Homura, I agree, great character. But Madoka? I don't really get where you're coming from.


Totally expected that someone who thinks theres a lack of good female characters talks almost exclusively about battle shounen.

Also, Madoka is a great character. As far as personality goes, she's not exaggeratedly cute, she doesn't have a massive chip on her shoulder and is not an edge-lord like Homura. In other words, she's believable.
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Honestly I don't think so. I really think that there really is a lack of good female characters in anime. Not that I think they aren't there at all, but very few when compared to the amount of great male characters. I personally have issues with most of the characters that the OP has mentioned.
1. Noelle, Venessa and Nero, although well-developed, are among those characters that don't have a personality other than that one trait that the author has given them (e.g every time Noelle is on screen during a relax moment, she's gonna be acting tsundere.) But that's a problem with most of Black Clover's main cast.
2. Nami was amazing pre-timeskip, but post-timeskip, there just hasn't been enough of her, especially not in the development department (she's had some moments in the manga recently tho). Same goes for Robin.
3. Lena is primarily a reactionary character. Not that there's anything wrong with it, but I think that she just needs time to reach her potential imo.
4. Ok, with Homura, I agree, great character. But Madoka? I don't really get where you're coming from.


Totally expected that someone who thinks theres a lack of good female characters talks almost exclusively about battle shounen.

Also, Madoka is a great character. As far as personality goes, she's not exaggeratedly cute, she doesn't have a massive chip on her shoulder and is not an edge-lord like Homura. In other words, she's believable.
So I talked about only battle shonen? I literally just picked the characters that the OP has mentioned.
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Honestly I don't think so. I really think that there really is a lack of good female characters in anime. Not that I think they aren't there at all, but very few when compared to the amount of great male characters. I personally have issues with most of the characters that the OP has mentioned.
1. Noelle, Venessa and Nero, although well-developed, are among those characters that don't have a personality other than that one trait that the author has given them (e.g every time Noelle is on screen during a relax moment, she's gonna be acting tsundere.) But that's a problem with most of Black Clover's main cast.
2. Nami was amazing pre-timeskip, but post-timeskip, there just hasn't been enough of her, especially not in the development department (she's had some moments in the manga recently tho). Same goes for Robin.
3. Lena is primarily a reactionary character. Not that there's anything wrong with it, but I think that she just needs time to reach her potential imo.
4. Ok, with Homura, I agree, great character. But Madoka? I don't really get where you're coming from.


Noelle, Vanessa and Nero have the same character depth as all the other Black Clover characters: None. All these characters have literally just one voice line. "Hokage Dattebayo" is like a writing from Shakespeare compared to those dialogs.
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lol Madoka and Homura great characters



but yes the community over exaggerates about lack of great female characters like if people are blind
Jun 26, 2021 1:51 PM
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Actually the majority of original creators are male, so their female charaters are matter-of-fact not great.
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The ratio of good male and female characters is definitely one sided. Since the demographic of most series are male, it ends up being like this and so there is some truth to it.

But great female characters do exist obviously.
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I liked Nami on East Blue but I really hated how Oda worked at her later. Anyway, there's a lot of good female characters everywhere, and we always had a lot of bad characters, f&m. I don't think "there aren't more great female characters". Actually I think we have a lot of good characters recently, battle shounen genre is giving more space for them.

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I’ve always thought that Anime has more good female characters than Other mediums.
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Lmao like all the best characters are female though.
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Lena was the best female character in 2021 imo and jjk also has a likable female character especially nobara he's a great character.......
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In this anime site, i have see most of the people having female character in the forum avatar instead of male.....thats hypocrisy at its finest...lol

What the hell is the waifu list and all that which people keep on making O.o
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if youre watching only battle shonen then sure

watch maho shojo genre more
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@Scordolo, people see what they want to see even if the Universe works different.

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Madoka has Kyouko, really the only character I like in the series
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If you check The Most Favourite Characters https://myanimelist.net/character.php you'll see that in the first 50 characters there are only 14 female characters but...

I'll bet there are more guys voting for those female characters than girls.
And I'll bet there lots of girls voting for their husbandos instead of voting for good female characters.
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If the girl is hot then thats already a good character in my book.
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The community? It's a vocal minority. Anime and the industry is full of cool and talented women and people usually don't dismiss them, quite the contrary.
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Some people believe that. After all, it's trendy nowadays to believe female characters are generally not up to par.
They just haven't seen enough anime. It'd be like saying most movies out there are generic superhero movies; that's obviouly not true, but seeing what's popular, you might be lead to believe that.

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Jun 26, 2021 8:28 PM

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in most battle shounen yeah? since there Are more male characters so ofc there'll be more good male characters too. besides that, just depends on what you watch i think
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Most female characters tend to be written as innocent waifus, but I agree anime has lots of great characters that extend beyond just looks.
Jun 26, 2021 8:47 PM

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I don’t know, I feel like everyone has their own opinion when it comes to anime girls. While there are certainly some that get more attention than others, I think most of the “cooler” girls have at least a decent following. Even recently well-developed and complicated girls like Kaguya from Love is War, Chizuru from Rent a Girlfriend, and Nino from The Quintessential Quintuplets have gained a lot of popularity.

I mean, sure, I get tired of hearing about “whats-her-face” from AOT and how there can’t be a better anime girl than her but whatevs, I can’t speak on that one cuz I’ve never seen AOT. And then there’s girls like Asuna from SAO which if you DON’T like her than something’s wrong with you! Naturally, some anime girls are just going to be more popular than others.

@Scordolo Maybe you just haven’t run into any extreme Madoka fans, but Homura is definitely a popular character - too popular if I’m being honest. I’m pretty sure she topped several character polls back when the show first aired. Don’t get me wrong, she’s a cool character but Madoka Kaname will always be my favorite. :)
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Incel logic most likely. Female characters are way better than Male characters imo. Not say male characters are bad but female characters are a lot more interesting cuz most male characters are really troupy.
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All those allegations only show the impudence of some senseless dimwits . Yeah it's kinda true that a sprinkle of them exist for fan service only but that doesn't challenge the true worth of female characters.

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If you check The Most Favourite Characters https://myanimelist.net/character.php you'll see that in the first 50 characters there are only 14 female characters but...

I'll bet there are more guys voting for those female characters than girls.
And I'll bet there lots of girls voting for their husbandos instead of voting for good female characters.
Yeah and it's mostly because the most popular shows in MAL are battle shounen, which usually have main characters that are guys
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