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Feb 18, 2021 2:00 PM
#101
What's the twist? What is the wow effect? What's the point? What's the mystery? For someone who knew nothing - it means nothing, name, appearance, or purpose - nothing. For those who considered gou to be a link between higurashi and umineko - this became known from the second episode. For someone who knew that gou would be shit - it was known even before the first episode. Hey, umineko fans, if you are thinking, that this is a best thing, that ever happened with higurashi - you can gou fuck yourself, because you are the best beings in the world, and, the best beings in the world deserves to fuck only the best meat in the world. |
Feb 18, 2021 2:05 PM
#102
So I'm guessing that Gou is where we'll find out what the logic error Featherine caused was. |
Feb 18, 2021 2:10 PM
#103
Jin_uzuki said: Auron_ said: vegeta8639 said: Auron_ said: I'm in agreement with your appraisal of Rika's actions and think others aren't being fair, though I wouldn't impugn Satoko in the process. It's just a very unfortunate series of events where no one really is at fault. Satoko is not very bright academically, nor is she conformist enough to be able to inhabit that environment without aid. She needed help adjusting there after 15 years of living in a village and attending a gradeless, classless school where all they did was essentially horse around. I understand she should've reached out more and not outright reject her stiff and overtly formal classmates, but I can't get myself to fault her for it. I'm not blaming Satoko either in terms of what she's done so far in this timeline. Problem is we already know the results are her dragging Rika back to Hinamizawa so she can kill her over and over and over again and make her relive the nightmare she spent hundreds of years trying to escape. So if she's gonna do that I expect a damn good reason. Not: "Well okay, maybe Rika is a little at fault too for not trying even harder to keep their friendship going and maybe she shouldn't have invited Satoko to this school to begin with." Also I guarantee that if Satoko asked Rika to hang out with her once in this past year, Rika would have accepted or at worst if she was busy she'd arrange it in the next 1-2 days. The idea that them drifting apart is Rika's fault is just nonsense. I mean, it's not as though she did the conscious and informed decision to loop back so she can punish Rika to eternal damnation. She simply entered Saiguden grounds after sensing some weird presence and touched a horn. If Featherine gives her the choice to refuse but she goes through with it anyway, aware of the consequences she's signing up on, then I'll be 100% with you. It should also be noted that once she does go back, her agency will be compromised because she'll revert to having severe HS, so the only part that I can really condemn will be the initial choice to go back—if it's actually a free choice that is. I'm still not convinced looper Satoko has the syndrome. She must be the best L5 of all the times if she can plan mass murder through various fragments and planting several traps in advance with absolute perfection. Also honestly, I was hoping R07 wouldn't revert back to using the syndrome to excuse his characters, to be honest. Unless Featherine did something about it, she'd have to though right? In any fragment other than Satokowashi she's a terminal patient. I mean, Rena was insanely meticulous in her occupation of the school, and Shion's manipulation in Meakashi was certainly no small feat. I'm not saying it makes logical sense for them to be as calculating in such a state but there's precedent for it. I agree with it being an excuse, but well, Gou is pretty much built upon excuses to prolong the gore and misery of a perfectly complete franchise. They could've at least given us a 20 y/o Satoshi honestly. Kinda funny how the show doesn't seem to care enough for even a mention about the character whose name appears the most after the main cast. TKNion said: next episode + 3: Resolution: Satoko is either beaten or talked into repenting(*). Possibly even forgiven with 0 consequences for her actions. All his Nipaa Why would they mention Onigari-no-ryuou if it's not gonna be relevant to the story later on? The implication behind Hanyuu giving out its location was clearly so that she banishes whoever was the looper, not that she should kill herself with it. I think that artifact will be a plot point at some point but I hope they don't go that far, if you get what I'm saying. |
Auron_Feb 18, 2021 2:24 PM
Feb 18, 2021 2:19 PM
#104
Man finally we see Featherine. That prison seems a bit excessive, if those were normal rooms with bars on the windows, sure I could swallow it but a whole prison? The fuck. And Rika reaaaaally feels off in these eps, she knows satoko the best and should be trying to talk with her about her problems. Also really hope we're gonna get a proper umineko anime, I loved the visual novel and man would I love to experience it again and while this season of higurashi isn't perfect by any means I like it, probably mostly because its been over 10 years since I read the visual novel and can't remember anything. Would love to read umineko again but the time it requires is insanity and I dont have that luxury anymore sad. Dianacax said: 0/5 they didn't show swimsuit keiichi with cat ears So true really disappointing. |
Feb 18, 2021 2:21 PM
#105
4 episodes left to go and they finally bring in Auau. Gives me a lot of mixed feelings... |
Feb 18, 2021 2:22 PM
#106
It took them 20 episodes, but Umineko KITAAAAA. Honestly, the Umineko connection won't "save" this anime in any way (the prison?? lmao), but man, I just like seeing Umineko characters animated again. Dianacax said: 0/5 they didn't show swimsuit keiichi with cat ears this honestly upset me more than I'd like to admit Gar_Logan said: I think her popularity is a little strange since she isn't actually wealthy? I would think that at a school like St. Lucia being from old money or the upper class would matter more than how pretty you were or how refined you acted. She's still from a very small country town. I guess Rika's just really good at acting like she's not a country town bum lmao. We got to give it to her, she acted like she wasn't getting murdered in a time loop for many many years, so I guess she's got some experience "faking" it. |
Feb 18, 2021 2:22 PM
#107
if anyone's interested, the manga version of gou is actually handling these scenes a lot better |
Feb 18, 2021 2:23 PM
#108
chitchawa said: if anyone's interested, the manga version of gou is actually handling these scenes a lot better What do you mean by "these scenes"? The manga is still at the beginning of Tataridamashi. |
Feb 18, 2021 2:28 PM
#109
Gar_Logan said: bad phrasing on my partchitchawa said: if anyone's interested, the manga version of gou is actually handling these scenes a lot better What do you mean by "these scenes"? The manga is still at the beginning of Tataridamashi. i meant to refer to gou as a whole since its generally accepted the anime has been poor from the jump. the manga version may appeal to people more |
Feb 18, 2021 2:34 PM
#110
chitchawa said: Gar_Logan said: bad phrasing on my partchitchawa said: if anyone's interested, the manga version of gou is actually handling these scenes a lot better What do you mean by "these scenes"? The manga is still at the beginning of Tataridamashi. i meant to refer to gou as a whole since its generally accepted the anime has been poor from the jump. the manga version may appeal to people more My problem with thr anime is the execution. If the manga does it better maybe Gou isnt such a big mistake after all. |
Feb 18, 2021 2:49 PM
#111
Auron_ said: I mean, it's not as though she did the conscious and informed decision to loop back so she can punish Rika to eternal damnation. She simply entered Saiguden grounds after sensing some weird presence and touched a horn. If Featherine gives her the choice to refuse but she goes through with it anyway, aware of the consequences she's signing up on, then I'll be 100% with you. It should also be noted that once she does go back, her agency will be compromised because she'll revert to having severe HS, so the only part that I can really condemn will be the initial choice to go back—if it's actually a free choice that is. The whole reveal was that Satoko is the new mastermind that keeps fucking with Rika's plans and making sure she gets killed each time probably by injecting whatever person is trying to help her with that thing that makes them go stage 5. You can't even blame the syndrome for Satoko doing this unless the late stages keep traveling back with her through time which has never been the case before. Only way to redeem Satoko at this point is if Featherine is straight up mind controlling her which might end up being the case at this rate. Auron_ said: As for hanging out, I don't remember how St. Lucia operates, but at 11:36 Satoko said something about getting permission to leave campus grounds, and Shion at Meakashi didn't seem like she was allowed much mobility to go outside the school either. Maybe there's limits to their freedom of movement there. I mean, I'm expecting pretty much anything from a school with fucking cells to deal with misbehaviour. If there is limitation, it won't be very practicable to hang around on-campus either given the judgemental nature of their peers. Yea you can't freely leave the campus grounds, that's what they need permission for. Obviously they're allowed to hang out with fellow classmates since Rika does it every fucking day with her new friends who presumably aren't all her roommates. Satoko probably did reject Rika's invitation initially so as not to get between Rika and her new friends, but in that case don't cry about it later and act like it's Rika's fault when you're the one who kept rejecting all her invitations and made none of your own. Right in this episode when Satoko throws her little tantrum, Rika offers to talk it out in private later so clearly they can hang out in private later. Until they showed these stupid over the top prison cells, the school was strict but perfectly reasonable otherwise. Yea you can't draw kittens in your notebook during class, not study because you don't like studying and expect there not to be any consequences. So they made her take extra classes. Oh the horror! But at least she had her best friend around to help her study, except no thanks she'd rather just murder everyone instead and keep infinitely killing her friend using magic time loops. |
Feb 18, 2021 2:53 PM
#112
I don't really have anything to say this week tbh. Featherine finally appeared, but that's not really suprising cause she's been in the OP since forever, so I'm honestly not sure why everyone is acting suprised. Rika was kinda shitty to Satoko, but it's not nearly enough to justify the bs she did in the loops. I guess she'll be controlled after all, huh. Gou kinda ruins the ending of Kai/Rei tbh and I don't really like that. Satoshi and Shion are basically non existent at this point ._. |
There's no possible way you can steal my heart I want to drown in this sweet Melancholy |
Feb 18, 2021 3:06 PM
#113
Feb 18, 2021 3:07 PM
#114
Laplace_kun said: I am so tired of this show. Still 1 episode in a week is quite bearable at least... I can't drop something written by Ryu. St. Lucia being St. Lucia, I wish Shion let Rika and Satoko know about the dangers. A reunion, not the most creative one; as usual Keichi gets the scummy treatment. Rika didn't even find time outside the school to talk with Satoko openly; it's hard to believe they were best buds now. Maybe Rika herself ain't totally mentally stable after the sufferings. That ending with AuAu was all that was needed for me to stand up on my chair and almost drop my headphones. I pray that we'll have some well written plot to end this, even if it just leads to a sequel. They clearly aren't best friends. They are putting on a show. A lot of awkward tension in the air... they didn't even speak to each other when they were waiting for Mion to show up. |
Haunt-botFeb 18, 2021 3:25 PM
Shoot first, think never. |
Feb 18, 2021 3:12 PM
#115
Haunt-bot said: Laplace_kun said: I am so tired of this show. Still 1 episode in a week is quite bearable at least... I can't drop something written by Ryu. St. Lucia being St. Lucia, I wish Shion let Rika and Satoko know about the dangers. A reunion, not the most creative one; as usual Keichi gets the scummy treatment. Rika didn't even find time outside the school to talk with Satoko openly; it's hard to believe they were best buds now. They clearly aren't best friends. They are putting on a show. There was a lot of awkward tension, they didn't even speak to each other when they were waiting for Mion to show up. So you mean all those days of Rika and Satoko staying together and looking out for each other were for show? I am referring to how easy it was to create bad blood after all the 4+ years they stayed together... I guess their relationship had some issues from the very beginning. |
"All truth is meaningless. In the end, 'meaning' comes from the mind of each individual human. Even when there is a single truth, it can mean different things to different individuals. The truth has no meaning in itself!" - Erika Furudo |
Feb 18, 2021 3:13 PM
#116
vegeta8639 said: Gar_Logan said: I think her popularity is a little strange since she isn't actually wealthy? I would think that at a school like St. Lucia being from old money or the upper class would matter more than how pretty you were or how refined you acted. She's still from a very small country town. True, you would expect it to be largely based on status and family name but I could still see Rika overcoming that barrier with her looks and hundreds of years worth of maturity and experience. They're all living in the dorms and wearing uniforms too so that kinda equalizes status as well. At least they wouldn't see her dressed like a poor person at school. Amazing looks, charisma, good grades, forming a good reputation early on. I don't think it's much of a stretch that she'd be super popular by her second year. Those girls probably just enjoy hanging out with her anyway. They're not necessarily money grubbing robots just because they're somewhat upper class. Maybe it's her looks and maturity combined with her status of being a miko. Not sure how much pull a miko would have irl, If Ryukishi told me "miko's have a lot of respect in this world because it's Featherine's gameboard" i wouldnt be surprised. |
Feb 18, 2021 3:16 PM
#117
ssjokg said: Idk japanese, but the scenes look a lot better. Still, A will lead to B either way. The scene prior to SatOK in Onidamashi really visually implies that she has traps all over the school, I haven't seen something as cringe as how it's being handled in the anime yet.chitchawa said: Gar_Logan said: chitchawa said: if anyone's interested, the manga version of gou is actually handling these scenes a lot better What do you mean by "these scenes"? The manga is still at the beginning of Tataridamashi. i meant to refer to gou as a whole since its generally accepted the anime has been poor from the jump. the manga version may appeal to people more My problem with thr anime is the execution. If the manga does it better maybe Gou isnt such a big mistake after all. |
Feb 18, 2021 3:22 PM
#118
Laplace_kun said: Haunt-bot said: Laplace_kun said: I am so tired of this show. Still 1 episode in a week is quite bearable at least... I can't drop something written by Ryu. St. Lucia being St. Lucia, I wish Shion let Rika and Satoko know about the dangers. A reunion, not the most creative one; as usual Keichi gets the scummy treatment. Rika didn't even find time outside the school to talk with Satoko openly; it's hard to believe they were best buds now. They clearly aren't best friends. They are putting on a show. There was a lot of awkward tension, they didn't even speak to each other when they were waiting for Mion to show up. So you mean all those days of Rika and Satoko staying together and looking out for each other were for show? I am referring to how easy it was to create bad blood after all the 4+ years they stayed together... I guess their relationship had some issues from the very beginning. Oh, I thought you basically meant "it's hard to believe they are back to being friends again". I thought the breaking apart of their friendship was very natural and in character. It's not like they hate each other (albeit Satako is bitter), they just become distant. It makes sense because Rika has the mind of an adult and Satako is still a child. In that sense Rika personality was a facade, pretending to be a child. Now that she has escaped Hinamizawa it's only natural she'd gravitate to a more mature and elegant lifestyle as that lets her act more like her true self, and Satako just can't keep up. |
Shoot first, think never. |
Feb 18, 2021 3:37 PM
#119
Haunt-bot said: Laplace_kun said: Haunt-bot said: Laplace_kun said: I am so tired of this show. Still 1 episode in a week is quite bearable at least... I can't drop something written by Ryu. St. Lucia being St. Lucia, I wish Shion let Rika and Satoko know about the dangers. A reunion, not the most creative one; as usual Keichi gets the scummy treatment. Rika didn't even find time outside the school to talk with Satoko openly; it's hard to believe they were best buds now. They clearly aren't best friends. They are putting on a show. There was a lot of awkward tension, they didn't even speak to each other when they were waiting for Mion to show up. So you mean all those days of Rika and Satoko staying together and looking out for each other were for show? I am referring to how easy it was to create bad blood after all the 4+ years they stayed together... I guess their relationship had some issues from the very beginning. Oh, I thought you basically meant "it's hard to believe they are back to being friends again". I thought the breaking apart of their friendship was very natural and in character. It's not like they hate each other (albeit Satako is bitter), they just become distant. It makes sense because Rika has the mind of an adult and Satako is still a child. In that sense Rika personality was a facade, pretending to be a child. Now that she has escaped Hinamizawa it's only natural she'd gravitate to a more mature and elegant lifestyle as that lets her act more like her true self, and Satako just can't keep up. Well I lowkey think that's the case. Though I would have liked the mature Rika to talk things out with Satoko once outside hell academy. But it might be the case that Satoko, Mion, Keichi - everyone feels like children to her, and she just can't keep talking to them pretending they are equal. At the cost of achieving her freedom, she lost her childhood self forever. All those Miis and Nipaas sound so strained now. Gosh I wish I found it more natural and realistically portrayed. Maybe that was the intent. |
"All truth is meaningless. In the end, 'meaning' comes from the mind of each individual human. Even when there is a single truth, it can mean different things to different individuals. The truth has no meaning in itself!" - Erika Furudo |
Feb 18, 2021 3:40 PM
#120
Kohomint said: vegeta8639 said: Gar_Logan said: I think her popularity is a little strange since she isn't actually wealthy? I would think that at a school like St. Lucia being from old money or the upper class would matter more than how pretty you were or how refined you acted. She's still from a very small country town. True, you would expect it to be largely based on status and family name but I could still see Rika overcoming that barrier with her looks and hundreds of years worth of maturity and experience. They're all living in the dorms and wearing uniforms too so that kinda equalizes status as well. At least they wouldn't see her dressed like a poor person at school. Amazing looks, charisma, good grades, forming a good reputation early on. I don't think it's much of a stretch that she'd be super popular by her second year. Those girls probably just enjoy hanging out with her anyway. They're not necessarily money grubbing robots just because they're somewhat upper class. Maybe it's her looks and maturity combined with her status of being a miko. Not sure how much pull a miko would have irl, If Ryukishi told me "miko's have a lot of respect in this world because it's Featherine's gameboard" i wouldnt be surprised. Yea actually now that I think about it, maybe Rika's family wouldn't be looked down upon since the Sonozaki's seem to be well respected and Rika's Furude family is also one of the 3 great houses of Hinamizawa so I guess maybe they'd have some sort of priest/shrine family type of respect even if they're not particularly wealthy. At least to the point of not treating Rika as low class after seeing how she looks and acts. If anything you'd expect a miko to be pious and humble so bad mouthing one for not being wealthy might seem like a dick thing to do even among rich people. |
Feb 18, 2021 3:54 PM
#121
Auron_ said: TKNion said: next episode + 3: Resolution: Satoko is either beaten or talked into repenting(*). Possibly even forgiven with 0 consequences for her actions. All his Nipaa Why would they mention Onigari-no-ryuou if it's not gonna be relevant to the story later on? The implication behind Hanyuu giving out its location was clearly so that she banishes whoever was the looper, not that she should kill herself with it. I think that artifact will be a plot point at some point but I hope they don't go that far, if you get what I'm saying. that sword is a plot device that was specifically created for this story. If they want to change the rules (twist the meaning of what Hanyuu said) later on and do something like "This will kill "the looper inside Satoko" (whatever that means) without hurting Satoko" they can. Calling it right now. IF they show what the logic error mentioned in Umineko, it's gonna be disappointing and underwhelming compared to Battler's logic error. |
TKNionFeb 18, 2021 4:04 PM
Feb 18, 2021 3:58 PM
#122
predictable because of the opening, but the hype is still there |
Feb 18, 2021 4:29 PM
#123
Well it happened. Fatherines screwing with them for her amusement of course, you cant really beat someone like her. So the easiest thing is to kill Satoko. Doubtful of whether that will stop Fatherine of course. Her artstyle doesnt match with the rest of the series. So hopefully they fix that. It clashes badly. So the Hanyuu we know is gone now? Thats really sad. She was one of the best characters in Higurashi. St Lucia having cells was certainly not expected, but they were heading in this direction anyway. A problem still stands, cant really sympathize with either Rika or Satoko. We've got four episodes left folks. Cant really see them doing much with Auau. Not sure where this leaves the series for me. People have talked about Gou tying everything together. Really? Whats left to tie? Keep in mind Bernkastel already exists and so does Lambda. Unless this Rika turns out to be Bern and now there are somehow two Berns wandering around, which I doubt. Lambda is the who gave Takano her certainty, and Bern (supposedly) helped Rika in Matsuri. Personally though I feel like Featherine shouldnt have been introduced. Theres not much time for her to do anything interesting (unless we get a second season) how would Rika beat someone like her anyway? Whats stopping Featherine from looping somebody else rather than Satoko? Its a can of worms that shouldnt have been opened. |
ChargecoulombFeb 18, 2021 4:38 PM
Feb 18, 2021 4:38 PM
#124
Hey guys, Umineko characters are never appearing in this- Oh, wait, nevermind. Then again watch this character give another name, or even just slightly modified name from what she had in Umineko in the next episode and the fandom forever try and make something weird about it like they do with Rika and Bernkastel. We've only got four episodes to go? I hate that most of this series was a rerun. So, the rest of the episode. Rika is a girls boarding school yuri queen and that's all she ever wanted, good for her. I hated to see Rika and Satoko fighting. But for anyone who was down on Rika for saying nothing to the offhand comment one of her new friends said toward Satoko last episode, she gives a whole speech defending Satoko now, which was great. Nothing she said in critique of Satoko was especially wrong either, but I do think that she neglected her friend. Please stop saying that Satoko should have accepted joining activities she obviously didn't want to join and now has no time to join with her constant special classes. When they went to the club meeting, there was obviously some distance between them. I expected something to snap and them to hash it out but they didn't, and that's actually worse. Rika picks right back up the act she put on for years and years as a kid in Hinamizawa, and it's kind of weird since she's now a lot older. Satoko obviously noticed it too, I'm not sure what she makes of it. Is Satoko's redemption going to be similar to Ken Ichijouji's in Digimon 02? lol I'd love to see the last four episodes now, but gotta wait... |
Feb 18, 2021 4:56 PM
#125
Even from a Higurashi-only point of view it's obvious the woman at the end of the episode is the one behind Satoko's looping and she's tied into Hanyuu/Oyashiro-sama. It's not like the reveal has no meaning within Higurashi's context. That's presumably why she's sporting a miko outfit like Hanyuu rather than her Umineko one. TKNion said: Auron_ said: TKNion said: next episode + 3: Resolution: Satoko is either beaten or talked into repenting(*). Possibly even forgiven with 0 consequences for her actions. All his Nipaa Why would they mention Onigari-no-ryuou if it's not gonna be relevant to the story later on? The implication behind Hanyuu giving out its location was clearly so that she banishes whoever was the looper, not that she should kill herself with it. I think that artifact will be a plot point at some point but I hope they don't go that far, if you get what I'm saying. that sword is a plot device that was specifically created for this story. If they want to change the rules (twist the meaning of what Hanyuu said) later on and do something like "This will kill "the looper inside Satoko" (whatever that means) without hurting Satoko" they can. Calling it right now. IF they show what the logic error mentioned in Umineko, it's gonna be disappointing and underwhelming compared to Battler's logic error. The sword actually was in the VN, in spite of having no role in the plot at all. It was just a random lore note. Rather than being said to kill loopers though, in the past it was used to kill Hanyuu herself. |
NeonDZFeb 18, 2021 5:01 PM
Feb 18, 2021 5:04 PM
#126
vegeta8639 said: The whole reveal was that Satoko is the new mastermind that keeps fucking with Rika's plans and making sure she gets killed each time probably by injecting whatever person is trying to help her with that thing that makes them go stage 5. You can't even blame the syndrome for Satoko doing this unless the late stages keep traveling back with her through time which has never been the case before. Only way to redeem Satoko at this point is if Featherine is straight up mind controlling her which might end up being the case at this rate. Why would the late stages have to travel back with her when she's already a terminal patient at every single fragment she's travelling back to anyway? It took Keiichi nothing more than a couple of days (a week at most) from "I'm perfectly fine" to "They put needles in my food and this marker's actually a syringe!". If anything Satoko has a headstart since she's starting with L3 in all of them, and thanks to her prior memories she also has reasons to distrust Rika which can lead to further degeneration of the patient's psychological state. vegeta8639 said: Yea you can't freely leave the campus grounds, that's what they need permission for. Obviously they're allowed to hang out with fellow classmates since Rika does it every fucking day with her new friends who presumably aren't all her roommates. Satoko probably did reject Rika's invitation initially so as not to get between Rika and her new friends, but in that case don't cry about it later and act like it's Rika's fault when you're the one who kept rejecting all her invitations and made none of your own. My point was that if meeting somewhere outside the campus is not easy due to regulations, and inside there's like half a dozen posh girls accompanying Rika at any given moment, who disapproves of Satoko's lack of ojō-sama etiquette, displaying hostility, excuse me but she's not gonna be super approachable even if she did want to confide in her. I dunno if you know this but being somewhere you're not welcome is generally a demotivating experience, even if your close friend is in that group. Could Satoko alter her behaviour in such a way that'd make it less offensive to the ojō-sama's? Sure, but Rika could've absolutely done more as well, like asking her adorers to be more accommodating towards Satoko's mannerisms even if you don't agree that it's how a proper lady should be acting. The fact is that there were actions both parties could've undertaken to make the burden lighter but opted not to for whatever reason. And that's fine, they can make mistakes, part of being human. But a lot of users here are giving a very lopsided account of what actually transpired @TKNion That sword was mentioned prior to Gou, and what you're saying sounds like a huge stretch to me. They would not be able to get away with bending the rules like that. |
Auron_Feb 18, 2021 5:08 PM
Feb 18, 2021 5:09 PM
#127
Feb 18, 2021 5:15 PM
#128
vegeta8639 said: Auron_ said: I mean, it's not as though she did the conscious and informed decision to loop back so she can punish Rika to eternal damnation. She simply entered Saiguden grounds after sensing some weird presence and touched a horn. If Featherine gives her the choice to refuse but she goes through with it anyway, aware of the consequences she's signing up on, then I'll be 100% with you. It should also be noted that once she does go back, her agency will be compromised because she'll revert to having severe HS, so the only part that I can really condemn will be the initial choice to go back—if it's actually a free choice that is. The whole reveal was that Satoko is the new mastermind that keeps fucking with Rika's plans and making sure she gets killed each time probably by injecting whatever person is trying to help her with that thing that makes them go stage 5. You can't even blame the syndrome for Satoko doing this unless the late stages keep traveling back with her through time which has never been the case before. Only way to redeem Satoko at this point is if Featherine is straight up mind controlling her which might end up being the case at this rate. Auron_ said: As for hanging out, I don't remember how St. Lucia operates, but at 11:36 Satoko said something about getting permission to leave campus grounds, and Shion at Meakashi didn't seem like she was allowed much mobility to go outside the school either. Maybe there's limits to their freedom of movement there. I mean, I'm expecting pretty much anything from a school with fucking cells to deal with misbehaviour. If there is limitation, it won't be very practicable to hang around on-campus either given the judgemental nature of their peers. Yea you can't freely leave the campus grounds, that's what they need permission for. Obviously they're allowed to hang out with fellow classmates since Rika does it every fucking day with her new friends who presumably aren't all her roommates. Satoko probably did reject Rika's invitation initially so as not to get between Rika and her new friends, but in that case don't cry about it later and act like it's Rika's fault when you're the one who kept rejecting all her invitations and made none of your own. Right in this episode when Satoko throws her little tantrum, Rika offers to talk it out in private later so clearly they can hang out in private later. Until they showed these stupid over the top prison cells, the school was strict but perfectly reasonable otherwise. Yea you can't draw kittens in your notebook during class, not study because you don't like studying and expect there not to be any consequences. So they made her take extra classes. Oh the horror! But at least she had her best friend around to help her study, except no thanks she'd rather just murder everyone instead and keep infinitely killing her friend using magic time loops. If a long time best friend of mine talked about our long time away from each other so casually and offered to make "some time in the afternoon" for me as if it's some menial boring task I wiuld get extremely offended. Perhaps you never had friends but what Rika did there to Satoko was extremely insensitive even if her intentions were good. |
Feb 18, 2021 5:19 PM
#129
NeonDZ said: The sword actually was in the VN, in spite of having no role in the plot at all. It was just a random lore note. Rather than being said to kill loopers though, in the past it was used to kill Hanyuu herself. There you go! The sword already got its fluff changed for the sake of the current plot. Auron_ said: @TKNion That sword was mentioned prior to Gou, and what you're saying sounds like a huge stretch to me. They would not be able to get away with bending the rules like that. As if the rules had not been bent already. |
Feb 18, 2021 5:27 PM
#130
The sword itself seems to have a variety of uses. Everything from opening a gate to Hanyuus world, to killing demons, and killing loopers. Regardless, What did we see inside the Oyashiro Sataue? It was Hanyuus horn? It was never cut as far as Im aware. Just scratched when she fought against Ouka. |
Feb 18, 2021 5:35 PM
#131
Honestly I don't get the hype around this series at all. Like it tried to be horror but it isn't horrifying in any way, the thriller is too slow because of the slice of life shit pacing. The good part about it is the mystery, I'll give it that. Pretty nice mystery story around but it just fell flat for me as a whole if we consider the rest of the elements present in the story. Best part of the story so far is probably ep 15 where we get to see real fucked up crazy shit for once, and this episode's Mion in swimsuit. Jean-Antoine said: What's the twist? What is the wow effect? What's the point? What's the mystery? For someone who knew nothing - it means nothing, name, appearance, or purpose - nothing. For those who considered gou to be a link between higurashi and umineko - this became known from the second episode. For someone who knew that gou would be shit - it was known even before the first episode. Hey, umineko fans, if you are thinking, that this is a best thing, that ever happened with higurashi - you can gou fuck yourself, because you are the best beings in the world, and, the best beings in the world deserves to fuck only the best meat in the world. This is based. +1 |
Feb 18, 2021 5:50 PM
#132
Jean-Antoine said: who said there is any of that?What's the twist? What is the wow effect? What's the point? What's the mystery? For someone who knew nothing - it means nothing, name, appearance, or purpose - nothing. For those who considered gou to be a link between higurashi and umineko - this became known from the second episode. For someone who knew that gou would be shit - it was known even before the first episode. Hey, umineko fans, if you are thinking, that this is a best thing, that ever happened with higurashi - you can gou fuck yourself, because you are the best beings in the world, and, the best beings in the world deserves to fuck only the best meat in the world. it's literally just fanservice to sell more merch. |
Feb 18, 2021 5:54 PM
#133
k11chi said: Jean-Antoine said: who said there is any of that?What's the twist? What is the wow effect? What's the point? What's the mystery? For someone who knew nothing - it means nothing, name, appearance, or purpose - nothing. For those who considered gou to be a link between higurashi and umineko - this became known from the second episode. For someone who knew that gou would be shit - it was known even before the first episode. Hey, umineko fans, if you are thinking, that this is a best thing, that ever happened with higurashi - you can gou fuck yourself, because you are the best beings in the world, and, the best beings in the world deserves to fuck only the best meat in the world. it's literally just fanservice to sell more merch. Its literally just advertising for a gacha game as far as we know. Passione isnt known for their works of art. Nobody was expecting this to be a masterpiece. Im dissapointed that featherines here, but she hasnt done anything yet so Ill reserve judgement. Gou has its flaws, a ton of them. This episode was the most well liked in a while it seems. Wonder how much of that is due to featherine? |
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Feb 18, 2021 5:55 PM
#134
MightyM17 said: vegeta8639 said: Auron_ said: I mean, it's not as though she did the conscious and informed decision to loop back so she can punish Rika to eternal damnation. She simply entered Saiguden grounds after sensing some weird presence and touched a horn. If Featherine gives her the choice to refuse but she goes through with it anyway, aware of the consequences she's signing up on, then I'll be 100% with you. It should also be noted that once she does go back, her agency will be compromised because she'll revert to having severe HS, so the only part that I can really condemn will be the initial choice to go back—if it's actually a free choice that is. The whole reveal was that Satoko is the new mastermind that keeps fucking with Rika's plans and making sure she gets killed each time probably by injecting whatever person is trying to help her with that thing that makes them go stage 5. You can't even blame the syndrome for Satoko doing this unless the late stages keep traveling back with her through time which has never been the case before. Only way to redeem Satoko at this point is if Featherine is straight up mind controlling her which might end up being the case at this rate. Auron_ said: As for hanging out, I don't remember how St. Lucia operates, but at 11:36 Satoko said something about getting permission to leave campus grounds, and Shion at Meakashi didn't seem like she was allowed much mobility to go outside the school either. Maybe there's limits to their freedom of movement there. I mean, I'm expecting pretty much anything from a school with fucking cells to deal with misbehaviour. If there is limitation, it won't be very practicable to hang around on-campus either given the judgemental nature of their peers. Yea you can't freely leave the campus grounds, that's what they need permission for. Obviously they're allowed to hang out with fellow classmates since Rika does it every fucking day with her new friends who presumably aren't all her roommates. Satoko probably did reject Rika's invitation initially so as not to get between Rika and her new friends, but in that case don't cry about it later and act like it's Rika's fault when you're the one who kept rejecting all her invitations and made none of your own. Right in this episode when Satoko throws her little tantrum, Rika offers to talk it out in private later so clearly they can hang out in private later. Until they showed these stupid over the top prison cells, the school was strict but perfectly reasonable otherwise. Yea you can't draw kittens in your notebook during class, not study because you don't like studying and expect there not to be any consequences. So they made her take extra classes. Oh the horror! But at least she had her best friend around to help her study, except no thanks she'd rather just murder everyone instead and keep infinitely killing her friend using magic time loops. If a long time best friend of mine talked about our long time away from each other so casually and offered to make "some time in the afternoon" for me as if it's some menial boring task I wiuld get extremely offended. Perhaps you never had friends but what Rika did there to Satoko was extremely insensitive even if her intentions were good. Almost unintentional murder is also not how you respond to that. At worse Rika is insensitive to a brat. Satoko is completely oblivious to everything that isn't Rika spending time with other girls. The more she stays there the more she will be fucking herself up. She clearly has lost hope about Rika so there is no reason to stay there. If we didn't know Satoko(not that this excuses anything) she would absolutely be hated by viewers for acting like that. Characters have been hated for less. |
Feb 18, 2021 6:14 PM
#135
Perhaps Gou was intentionally written to be like this with Regards to Characters, perhaps youre supposed to feel conflicted. I dont think its a good thing to do so though. In Higurashi you really wanted Rika and co to defeat Takano. The buildup and tension was palpable. Gou is melancholic as hell. I dont like Rika and Satoko. When you dont feel either empathy or sympathy for them, its hard to feel anything from watching this. Mei, a gacha game has a better and more consistent story than this. With actual consistent characters. Its flawed too, but a half-decent story is better than a messy one. Gou is a rollercoaster of inconsistent writing and characters. We only have four episodes to go, so we must be hyped for the end by now but.. |
Feb 18, 2021 6:25 PM
#136
Alright, first time higurashi here... someone gotta help me out. How is Hanyuu there if she left and gave Rika the power to remember who killed her? As well, why does Rika not care anymore during this arc, and how did they transcend 1983? I thought they were perma stuck in 83, particularly not able to surpass day 23. |
Feb 18, 2021 6:32 PM
#137
chocosage said: Alright, first time higurashi here... someone gotta help me out. How is Hanyuu there if she left and gave Rika the power to remember who killed her? As well, why does Rika not care anymore during this arc, and how did they transcend 1983? I thought they were perma stuck in 83, particularly not able to surpass day 23. Watch the original Higurashi. Both seasons. |
Feb 18, 2021 6:45 PM
#138
ssjokg said: MightyM17 said: vegeta8639 said: Auron_ said: I mean, it's not as though she did the conscious and informed decision to loop back so she can punish Rika to eternal damnation. She simply entered Saiguden grounds after sensing some weird presence and touched a horn. If Featherine gives her the choice to refuse but she goes through with it anyway, aware of the consequences she's signing up on, then I'll be 100% with you. It should also be noted that once she does go back, her agency will be compromised because she'll revert to having severe HS, so the only part that I can really condemn will be the initial choice to go back—if it's actually a free choice that is. The whole reveal was that Satoko is the new mastermind that keeps fucking with Rika's plans and making sure she gets killed each time probably by injecting whatever person is trying to help her with that thing that makes them go stage 5. You can't even blame the syndrome for Satoko doing this unless the late stages keep traveling back with her through time which has never been the case before. Only way to redeem Satoko at this point is if Featherine is straight up mind controlling her which might end up being the case at this rate. Auron_ said: As for hanging out, I don't remember how St. Lucia operates, but at 11:36 Satoko said something about getting permission to leave campus grounds, and Shion at Meakashi didn't seem like she was allowed much mobility to go outside the school either. Maybe there's limits to their freedom of movement there. I mean, I'm expecting pretty much anything from a school with fucking cells to deal with misbehaviour. If there is limitation, it won't be very practicable to hang around on-campus either given the judgemental nature of their peers. Yea you can't freely leave the campus grounds, that's what they need permission for. Obviously they're allowed to hang out with fellow classmates since Rika does it every fucking day with her new friends who presumably aren't all her roommates. Satoko probably did reject Rika's invitation initially so as not to get between Rika and her new friends, but in that case don't cry about it later and act like it's Rika's fault when you're the one who kept rejecting all her invitations and made none of your own. Right in this episode when Satoko throws her little tantrum, Rika offers to talk it out in private later so clearly they can hang out in private later. Until they showed these stupid over the top prison cells, the school was strict but perfectly reasonable otherwise. Yea you can't draw kittens in your notebook during class, not study because you don't like studying and expect there not to be any consequences. So they made her take extra classes. Oh the horror! But at least she had her best friend around to help her study, except no thanks she'd rather just murder everyone instead and keep infinitely killing her friend using magic time loops. If a long time best friend of mine talked about our long time away from each other so casually and offered to make "some time in the afternoon" for me as if it's some menial boring task I wiuld get extremely offended. Perhaps you never had friends but what Rika did there to Satoko was extremely insensitive even if her intentions were good. Almost unintentional murder is also not how you respond to that. At worse Rika is insensitive to a brat. Satoko is completely oblivious to everything that isn't Rika spending time with other girls. The more she stays there the more she will be fucking herself up. She clearly has lost hope about Rika so there is no reason to stay there. If we didn't know Satoko(not that this excuses anything) she would absolutely be hated by viewers for acting like that. Characters have been hated for less. I don't think she has any way out of St Lucia. That school has a no dropout policy doesn't it? Shion had to flee. I might be misremembering something But we'll see further development |
Feb 18, 2021 6:47 PM
#139
chocosage said: Alright, first time higurashi here... someone gotta help me out. How is Hanyuu there if she left and gave Rika the power to remember who killed her? As well, why does Rika not care anymore during this arc, and how did they transcend 1983? I thought they were perma stuck in 83, particularly not able to surpass day 23. Because Satokowashi is the story of what happened before Gou. It's before the first Onidamashi arc and explains what happened between Higurashi Kai (2nd season) and Gou (3rd season) Yeah Gou is a sequel. |
Feb 18, 2021 6:50 PM
#140
MightyM17 said: ssjokg said: MightyM17 said: vegeta8639 said: Auron_ said: I mean, it's not as though she did the conscious and informed decision to loop back so she can punish Rika to eternal damnation. She simply entered Saiguden grounds after sensing some weird presence and touched a horn. If Featherine gives her the choice to refuse but she goes through with it anyway, aware of the consequences she's signing up on, then I'll be 100% with you. It should also be noted that once she does go back, her agency will be compromised because she'll revert to having severe HS, so the only part that I can really condemn will be the initial choice to go back—if it's actually a free choice that is. The whole reveal was that Satoko is the new mastermind that keeps fucking with Rika's plans and making sure she gets killed each time probably by injecting whatever person is trying to help her with that thing that makes them go stage 5. You can't even blame the syndrome for Satoko doing this unless the late stages keep traveling back with her through time which has never been the case before. Only way to redeem Satoko at this point is if Featherine is straight up mind controlling her which might end up being the case at this rate. Auron_ said: As for hanging out, I don't remember how St. Lucia operates, but at 11:36 Satoko said something about getting permission to leave campus grounds, and Shion at Meakashi didn't seem like she was allowed much mobility to go outside the school either. Maybe there's limits to their freedom of movement there. I mean, I'm expecting pretty much anything from a school with fucking cells to deal with misbehaviour. If there is limitation, it won't be very practicable to hang around on-campus either given the judgemental nature of their peers. Yea you can't freely leave the campus grounds, that's what they need permission for. Obviously they're allowed to hang out with fellow classmates since Rika does it every fucking day with her new friends who presumably aren't all her roommates. Satoko probably did reject Rika's invitation initially so as not to get between Rika and her new friends, but in that case don't cry about it later and act like it's Rika's fault when you're the one who kept rejecting all her invitations and made none of your own. Right in this episode when Satoko throws her little tantrum, Rika offers to talk it out in private later so clearly they can hang out in private later. Until they showed these stupid over the top prison cells, the school was strict but perfectly reasonable otherwise. Yea you can't draw kittens in your notebook during class, not study because you don't like studying and expect there not to be any consequences. So they made her take extra classes. Oh the horror! But at least she had her best friend around to help her study, except no thanks she'd rather just murder everyone instead and keep infinitely killing her friend using magic time loops. If a long time best friend of mine talked about our long time away from each other so casually and offered to make "some time in the afternoon" for me as if it's some menial boring task I wiuld get extremely offended. Perhaps you never had friends but what Rika did there to Satoko was extremely insensitive even if her intentions were good. Almost unintentional murder is also not how you respond to that. At worse Rika is insensitive to a brat. Satoko is completely oblivious to everything that isn't Rika spending time with other girls. The more she stays there the more she will be fucking herself up. She clearly has lost hope about Rika so there is no reason to stay there. If we didn't know Satoko(not that this excuses anything) she would absolutely be hated by viewers for acting like that. Characters have been hated for less. I don't think she has any way out of St Lucia. That school has a no dropout policy doesn't it? Shion had to flee. I might be misremembering something But we'll see further development The teacher told her she could drop out last episode when Satoko had a hissy fit about the extra class. I think Shion's issie was that the rest if the family would be a pain to deal with. |
Feb 18, 2021 6:50 PM
#141
Syureria said: The problem was the bait and switch. The seasons been awesome...if you're caught up on the Higurashi VN/OG anime and Umineko. If not it's a confusing mess. acaCZV6 said: yeah, but on MAL it's still 7 xD.... Previous Higu series always getting 8 score KAI and Original 2006. Maybe it will improve because this Gou is really good.Higurashi Gou keeps getting better and better and i like it. |
Feb 18, 2021 6:57 PM
#142
Satoko should have known pranking rich kids wasn't going to go well! Although, I didn't expect the school to literally have a prison in its basement. That has to be a violation of a number of laws, even for a private school/dorm room. A bit sad that we didn't get to see k1's punishment, but the shocking reveal at the end was more than satisfying enough! Connection to another one of Ryukishi07's work confirmed? |
Feb 18, 2021 7:00 PM
#143
now you have done it Satoko. Well, Rika-chan was a piece of shit anyways Mion was looking sexy at that swimsuit. She has really grown up so hot |
Feb 18, 2021 7:12 PM
#144
lol fuck me for only seeing the awful Umineko anime not gonna try and get through that for 4 episodes ,had spoiled myself a bit early because i thought shit was gonna get real bad at the school but the drop of Umineko stuff and the random ass prison cells under the school caught me off guard. i still refused to believe all of that was enough to push Satoko over the edge to be a mass time travelling killer but this Umineko character fits the vibe of playing the main role of evil. i'm still holding on to dear light to see how this ends but this ride has been not great for various of reasons but somewhat entertaining as a discussion |
Feb 18, 2021 7:19 PM
#145
They try to pretend this is some epic shit that's going down with skipping openings and endings but it's just 10 minutes of someone walking around. Laughable. |
Feb 18, 2021 7:29 PM
#146
The first 5/5 I've given to Higurashi gou since episode 14 and also the first episode since the 14th one that I genuinely enjoyed from start to finish. They didn't play the full opening today and I thought it fit well with the content. The Satoko solitary confinement part was unexpected but I didn't have any major issues with it and it was a nice way to wrap up the st. Lucia story for now. One of my favorite parts in all of Gou would be where everyone meets up again post timeskip and plays games together. No serious or dark parts but just pure fun and I love when Higurashi is at that state. The whole card game part was so nostalgic and I loved every single second of it. Rena, K1 and Mion were really entertaining like usual and although I can feel the tension, Rika and Satoko's dynamics in the whole game was nice too. I wish we got more ova's like Higu kira or Higu rei where it's chill. Then the highlight for many people (including me) would be at the very end where featherine gets introduced while the banger ending is playing. Higu gou is pulling a re zero with the way they don't play the openings or endings every episode lol. I haven't actually read the umineko visual novel but I know of her since I've read a lot of forum posts and theories talking about her in the opening and such. Hopefully it won't be too confusing for me and I can still enjoy it. I really really really hope this isn't just a one episode thing and this season actually gets better from this state cause this episode birthed potential for me |
Feb 18, 2021 7:32 PM
#147
Kind of sad to see Satoko like that. I dislike that she just followed Rika for the sake of Rika herself. Satoko should have made her own goal for her future rather than copying Rika. I am guessing that the mystical object possessed Satoko with some magic. I wonder how she will destroy the village. I am guessing this anime will have another season since it will be ending soon. |
Feb 18, 2021 7:49 PM
#148
Welp, I'm back after 3 weeks of not commenting here. Dues to reasons, I wasn't able to watch episodes 18 and 19 when they aired, but now I've caught up with Gou. I knew that St. Lucia was actual hell when Ange was studying there. Also, Shion's 'prison break' monologue at the beginning Meakashi-hen in the VN also gave some light onto how terrible the school was. I don't blame her for trying to escape lol. Also, can I just say that I absolutely hate Featherine's design? Like, dear god I've not really hated the artstyle since it is pretty similar to Ryukishi's sprites from the Higurashi VN, but Featherine looks absolutely horrendous compared to any of the Umineko sprites. Looks like Satoko is the culprit this time around... I still don't fully believe that though. |
Feb 18, 2021 8:24 PM
#149
ArcueidBestGirl said: Looks like Satoko is the culprit this time around... I still don't fully believe that though. They could pull a twist and have it be someone else... but only 4 episodes left and we still havent resolved Satokowashi so its doubtful. |
Feb 18, 2021 8:27 PM
#150
5/5 really like this ep I got this see adult mion. Just shame we miss out on seeing shion. Now that featherine has come I notice this in opening. Not sure if I'm right but isn't this umineko mansion? in this pic https://imgur.com/a/f4r4pml |
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