| How does it work out? Why is there a quite visible line drawn between people that belong to the same community by individuals that feel the need to create sub-categories and hierarchies just because they: 1) think that they have watched more shows so they are superior 2) think that their opinion is valued and have this innate desire to stick out in a crowd 3) think that people who watch mainstream stuff are less knowledgeable than them. |
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| Anime elitism does not exist, it's just a joke/meme etc. When people call other watchers noobs or shonentards, the best word to describe them would be ''pricks''. No one can call himself an elite anime watcher/elitist, it does not apply to anime. Even if some say that old anime are better, these arguments can easily be destroyed with examples from both sides. |
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| I'm starting to see some sort of a pattern here. Whenever a thread about elitism arises it always radiates this extreme case of low confidence coupled with jealousy. Perhaps it is not the case of such people simply disagreeing with their views on anime but a feeling of envy instead due to them sticking out? An amusing thing to behold nevertheless. |
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| There are people who feel superior/knowledgeable because they watch anime? lol Anime is just a pastime and no different from children cartoons, sports, tv shows, etc. People who watch a relatively low number of anime should be proud because they spend their time responsibly and lead more balanced lives. Hail casual. |
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| Who actually cares though. Toxic people will be toxic no matter what, just ignore them. |
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operationvalkyri said: I'm going to be elitist about thread topics here and say this topic is extremely cliched and could use a twist or genre subversion. Okay, what about the often mentioned argument by elitists that 'mainstream' SHONEN is just for casuals and wannabe's while they sit on their high horses quoting 'obscure anime'? |
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KrisMak1207 said: It is a fact that mainstream Shounen is indeed made for casuals and wannabe's. One need look at the amount of pandering to come to such a conclusion.operationvalkyri said: I'm going to be elitist about thread topics here and say this topic is extremely cliched and could use a twist or genre subversion. Okay, what about the often mentioned argument by elitists that 'mainstream' SHONEN is just for casuals and wannabe's while they sit on their high horses quoting 'obscure anime'? And to quote obscure anime. "If this were a third rate TV anime, the protagonist could come back to life at the producers will" - Dusty Attenborough Extremely relevant when it comes to Shounen genre. |
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Catalano said: Anime elitism does not exist, it's just a joke/meme etc. When people call other watchers noobs or shonentards, the best word to describe them would be ''pricks''. No one can call himself an elite anime watcher/elitist, it does not apply to anime. Even if some say that old anime are better, these arguments can easily be destroyed with examples from both sides. Elitism exists in most hobbies. It merely denotes those who believe they are elite (that is, superior); not that they actually are. One applicable definition of elitism is: (of a person or class of persons) considered superior by others or by themselves, as in intellect, talent, power, wealth, or position in society |
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SadMadoka said: Catalano said: Anime elitism does not exist, it's just a joke/meme etc. When people call other watchers noobs or shonentards, the best word to describe them would be ''pricks''. No one can call himself an elite anime watcher/elitist, it does not apply to anime. Even if some say that old anime are better, these arguments can easily be destroyed with examples from both sides. Elitism exists in most hobbies. It merely denotes those who believe they are elite (that is, superior); not that they actually are. well, yes. Nice that you managed to explain in one short sentence what I was trying to say in that many words |
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| Elitism is a pejorative term used by those that deny the objectivity of a classification that divides objectively superior items from those that are objectively inferior. It's an excuse that many people use when they recognize to themselves that they are only preferring one kind of thing over another merely for emotional reasons, and not for objective ones, so, in order not to feel bad about their style of life, especially when one is earning money to do studies defending the type of thing that he prefers, they keep lying to themselves while they project their own problems on the rest of the society by claiming that everyone prefers some things over others merely for subjective reasons. It's the same for stupid statements such as "there is no absolute truth" or "the reality is a social construct". It's basically a defensive system that is activated when people stop caring for the truth and don't want to be held morally responsible for the consequences of the things that they speak. Judging properly an anime series is indeed a very complicated matter, maybe somehow even more than a book, methinks, considering how there are many different types of job involved in the production of the series, though, but that doesn't justify the irresponsible accusation that the people who claim that there are series objectively better than others are necessarily wrong. |
ColtBuntlineJul 6, 2020 10:40 AM
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BallistikJuice said: Aren't you the one who always brags about your newly bought music listening accessories or the ones that you already have, so, the question raises automatically, why do you feel the urge to buy those more expensive/branded stuff then, why not buy something more mainstream...something like Amazon's best selling cheap one's? Or do you simply differentiate your Elitism from hobby to hobby? It's interesting that you noticed that, because I usually only talk about that when speaking to others at least semi-privately, such as profile comments. I spend lots of money on high fidelity audio equipment because it has far superior sound quality. Most of the cheap crap sounds like...well, crap. I don't care about bragging about it per se; I'm just passionate about music, and the gear gets me closer to the music. The accuracy of audio equipment can be measured in numerous ways, so it's a lot more objective than taste in anime. Here's an amusing related clip. |
SmugSatokoJul 6, 2020 10:53 AM
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| An elitist is just someone who is an asshole to people because they believe they have ‘superior’ taste on the subject matter. You can be an elitist only having seen 10 anime, just as you can be an elitist after seeing 50 anime. |
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| they're only as relevant as you want them to be, so whatever |
BallistikJuice said: I can't have an argument with someone who I know nothing about it, can I? Other than that, don't get any other fucking weird ideas. I'm not sure what you're trying to say, or what weird ideas you are referring to. Try to communicate more clearly. I was just saying that I wouldn't have expected you to know that I was into high-end audio gear, and I suspect that you went to someone's profile and saw me talking about it. |
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| Anime elitists are a boogeyman in terms of behavior that's actually elitist. A spook. A meme. Except for me. I actually am better than all of you. Some consider that outlook to be elitist, but I consider it more realistic. |
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| I have never come across anime elitism, but I am sure that it does exist. |
SadMadoka said: BallistikJuice said: I can't have an argument with someone who I know nothing about it, can I? Other than that, don't get any other fucking weird ideas. I'm not sure what you're trying to say, or what weird ideas you are referring to. Try to communicate more clearly. I was just saying that I wouldn't have expected you to know that I was into high-end audio gear, and I suspect that you went to someone's profile and saw me talking about it. I'm quite sure that BallistikJuice meant to sound like a tsundere anime girl. "I-I-I-It's not like I'm stalking you or anything like that! Don't get the wrong idea!!" Sorry for the intrusion... I couldn't resist. |
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KrisMak1207 said: How 1) think that they have watched more shows so they are superior 2) think that their opinion is valued and have this innate desire to stick out in a crowd 3) think that people who watch mainstream stuff are less knowledgeable than them. It's really hard not to feel superior when everyone around you fails to see the genius of Pingu in the City |
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| I genuinely feel sorry for people who unjokingly call themselves elitists. |
| Anime elitism doesn't exist anymore. This is 2014 shit. No one cares about your taste in anime. No one cares about what you say because it is irrelevant. |
| I would rather call them full of shit or a rabid fanboy, but you described it just fine |
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| I’ve never actually seen an “elitist” on this site though before. |
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| two words: wrong subforum we don't talk about anime in cd >:( |
BallistikJuice said: Mummykun said: I'm quite sure that BallistikJuice meant to sound like a tsundere anime girl. "I-I-I-It's not like I'm stalking you or anything like that! Don't get the wrong idea!!" Sorry for the intrusion... I couldn't resist. Since when reading public forums/comments became considered as "stalking"? I read/listen to a lot of random stuff online. Your accusation is nonsense. What? It's not an accusation, dude. It's just a joke. The tsundere girl in the situation is embarrassed because she ended up giving a hint to the protagonist that she is interested in him, which is why she made researches to get to know more about him, so she denies it and quickly tells him that he shouldn't get the wrong idea, which I don't mean to say that is your case, and maybe "stalking" wasn't the right word for me to use, but the way you phrased it made it seem like you were deliberately trying to make the situation sound like the usual one involving a tsundere girl. I already noticed that my guess was wrong, though, so never mind. |
ColtBuntlineJul 7, 2020 12:51 AM
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| I was born in '98 and didn't really get into anime until like 2014 but if there is one thing I have noticed coming up in the overall anime fanbase hasn't really been elitism but more of the stupid generational stuff in a sense.. By that I mean I have seen more and more people refuse to watch "older" anime (pre-2010) because its bad because its old. Such as a review for Parasyte the Maxim calling it old for older weebs. |
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| I rarely see a so-called elitist being an elitist. All I see is people offended by these mythical creatures. Why do you feel hurt by people who watched more series and/or are interested in less mainstream series? |
| I've said it before, and I'll say it again since this "discourse" is still a thing for some reason; I see a lot more people complaining about anime elitists than actual anime elitists. |
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| This isn't a thing. In fact, this has never really been a thing. Obviously people are going to think their taste is superior to other people's taste. That's why it's their taste, because they prefer it to other options. I think so called 'elitists' are just people who think their taste or experience gives them authority. And to be quite frank, experience does give people greater authority. If someone who has seen two thousand shows recommends me an anime, and someone who has seen twenty shows recommends me an anime, I'm going to trust the recommendation from the former more readily. Taste is entirely subjective, but it's still not at all weird to think everyone else has worse taste than you, because you can only ever experience things from your own perspective. I don't think you're an idiot if you like a show I gave a 3, but I do think that you're wrong to like it, because I can only view the show through the lens of my experience with it. This idea of anime elitism is stupid because it takes a natural part of identity and persecutes people for acting on it. There are dicks who take it too far, sure, but I think there are far more people getting mad at the idea that someone could disagree with them than people who are actually interacting with 'Elitists'. |
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KrisMak1207 said: How does it work out? Why is there a quite visible line drawn between people that belong to the same community by individuals that feel the need to create sub-categories and hierarchies just because they: 1) think that they have watched more shows so they are superior 2) think that their opinion is valued and have this innate desire to stick out in a crowd 3) think that people who watch mainstream stuff are less knowledgeable than them. I mean for number 2, the whole point of a forum is to talk to people who are likely going to have differing opinions. Most of the stuff in anime discussions are just listing threads anyways, so just let us express stuff no one asked for. |
| all them fuckers have the same exact anime in their favorites, thats literally the opposite of 'sticking out' |
| anime elitism is not toxic unless you are mentally susceptible to criticism. if someone talks shit about your taste just ignore them. most elitists not longer believe their taste are superior to others but also display a great sense of animosity toward new fans and people who dislike the shows they like |
| Two words: not again. Why is this still a thing when it shouldn't even be one. |
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| I swear to goodness we need to get over this whole "elitist" thing. Why devote any time to trying to figure out what they think about stuff and why they think it? |
on beatha said: all them fuckers have the same exact anime in their favorites, thats literally the opposite of 'sticking out' Is it these? Or are you thinking of others?  |
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KrisMak1207 said: I've hardly seen anyone that espouse this point seriously, but if anyone does, I'd be inclined to see them as lazy or inarticulate rather than having an extreme lack of self esteem. I have had numerous extensive arguments with people myself over this issue, and I can now see the merit in brushing it off. People who have had extensive experience with anime could identify the patterns and conventions that more casual viewers often insist are not there. It is actually rather difficult to memorize instances, specific scenes, angles, lines, character hair colors, to support the (well proven, by the way) inclination that popular shounen series stay within safe margins and are formulated to gain popularity, deliberately. It is never a fair debate, with the casual appealing to ignorance and asking for evidence, while I have to provide X number of examples to jump through your arbitrary threshold of believability. operationvalkyri said: I'm going to be elitist about thread topics here and say this topic is extremely cliched and could use a twist or genre subversion. Okay, what about the often mentioned argument by elitists that 'mainstream' SHONEN is just for casuals and wannabe's while they sit on their high horses quoting 'obscure anime'? Personally, I don't believe anyone cites "obscure" anime just to be special. It's only obscure due to your lack of experience. I think in my years here at MAL, I've only seen 1-2 people that cite old anime for that effect. Most people, even when they do cite old anime, cite old anime that used to be popular. Just because you've never seen Legend of the Galactic Heroes (in Top 50, by the way) doesn't mean it's obscure and that the person who suggests it is trying to be "elite". |
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