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Does Chinese or Korean industry doing harm towards Japanese anime industry?
Jul 2, 2020 1:00 AM
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One thing first : I only love Japanese anime and have some prejudice towards Chinese or Korean anime.

Yet after finishing Tower of God, which feels like pretty overhyped. Tbh, I am kinda disappointed as I thought watching this might change my outlook. But after watching initial 2/3 episode, it felt like HxH rip-off in some sense. Especially Khun's resemblance of probably most popular HxH character.

I watched in a video, made by Chinese anime lover, that more and more Chinese production houses are hirings talented Japanese animators by almost upto 100 times of money.

On the other hand Korean manhua (if I am right) are getting made by Japanese studios... Like... ToG and God of High school (by MAPPA).

My question is are Chinese or Korean are potentially a threat for Japanese industry?

Since, I grew up and still in my adulthood, practically watching Japanese shows, I kinda root for them.
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what can you do? thats competition that capitalism brings anyway its economics 101 so let the better business win
Jul 2, 2020 1:12 AM
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what can you do? thats competition that capitalism brings anyway its economics 101 so let the better business win


If everyone just think about profits and losses, surely in someday we will only get same junk Netflix trying to feed us from every studio.
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Jul 2, 2020 1:14 AM
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Korea doesn't make all that many original domestic animations, they mostly do work for others. China seems like the biggest competitor but even with studios like haoliners that try to promote chinese animation to japan they don't seem to be doing that well over there but I may be talking out of my ass because I don't have any numbers.
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Yes :( in the near future the japanese people will start to buy more and more of these inferior chinese/korean products instead of the high quality but more expensive locally prouduced animation blu rays. Soon they'll even outsource eroge, JAV and other industries... as automation takes over.
Jul 2, 2020 1:16 AM
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I can see them becoming just as successful but I doubt they would put the anime industry in danger.
Jul 2, 2020 1:25 AM
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ehh I dont see them becoming a threat yet. I feel like chinese and korean anime still has too little variety. (like chinese stuff all seems to be some type of fantasy with bishounens) And I mean with ToG or God of Highschool its just that the source material is korean, not the whole anime itself. I dont really care where the source material comes from as long as its good. ( I mean getting the bazzilionth isekai LN adaptation is not much better only because its japanese...) But yeah, unless china/korea start pumping out a massive number of shows and a huge variety of genres, its not going to be threat.
Jul 2, 2020 1:28 AM
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ehh I dont see them becoming a threat yet. I feel like chinese and korean anime still has too little variety. (like chinese stuff all seems to be some type of fantasy with bishounens) And I mean with ToG or God of Highschool its just that the source material is korean, not the whole anime itself. I dont really care where the source material cones from as long as its good. ( I mean getting the bazzilionth isekai LN adaptation is not much better only because its japanese...) But yeah, unless china/korea start pumping out a massive number of shows and a huge variety of genres, its not going to be threat.


I also think being Korean content made by Japanese isn't bad.

But we have tons of Japanese manga yet to made anime.

Just recall 20th Century Boys...
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Jul 2, 2020 1:37 AM
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One, grammar, two I really don't think so, even with all the new animes coming out that are chinese and korean based, anime will always be booming in Japan with all of the amazing anime it always makes.
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It's actually likely just the opposite.

One very common trend you mentioned is to do what production committees already do, hire an established anime studio to do an adaptation of a work.
This means that studios now have an increasing source of reliable revenue from an increase in projects. As a result they're able to both be more established and the revenue from adaptations can allow them to pursue more original studio projects.
There will always be a place for Japanese adaptations as long as the manga industry is still going strong but the place where the anime industry can break into its own entity is through their original productions which they can't really do without a base of work.
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I am only speaking for the Korean anime, (made from manwhas). Most anime are made from Webtoon(Tower of God and the upcoming, God of Highschool) and I don't think Korean anime will impact Japanese industry in a big way as currently, there only are two animes. However when Webtoon Anime does blow up, their will still be Japanese anime made however i guess more people may move to watching the Korean anime and the Japanese shows would not get as much as attention, however i do not think it can impact that much.

About Tower of God, i found it a really good series and people who have read the manwha, know that season 1 is kind of a trailer for the absolute bangar anime that will be made.
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Ciezul said:
deg said:
what can you do? thats competition that capitalism brings anyway its economics 101 so let the better business win


If everyone just think about profits and losses, surely in someday we will only get same junk Netflix trying to feed us from every studio.
That's only if you choose the watch junk. Even without Netflix, Japan releases plenty of junk anime, since they release anywhere between 30-60 titles in a season.

It is also strange to think that Japanese animation will be in danger since they are not going to die out. They are one of the default forms of advertisement for publishing houses that are based in Japan. For them, anime is almost always a loss-making business whose expenses are offset by the boost in sales of the source material.

Furthermore, with competition the quality for both sides (Korean and Chinese animation) is a definitely going to improve if funding is maintained. The animators need well-paying jobs to survive in the end. Check the trailer in this Chinese animation for example:
https://myanimelist.net/anime/37936/Wu_Shan_Wu_Xing
Jul 2, 2020 1:59 AM
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Don't think I'm ever going to watch Korean stuff. Chinese stuff I'd actually like to watch more of, but can't ever find a good torrent for 'em, so...

Jul 2, 2020 2:24 AM

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Well tower of god is a japanese anime as much as akage no anne is. It's just that their source material is foreign.

As for threat, they definitely are but I doubt they can defeat japanese anime.
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The aforementioned has so far been the only thing from these countries I've read so far and I've enjoyed it as much as most japanese mangas. As a costumer I actually see this as more of a positive since it gives us more options to choose from and also competition is rarely a bad thing so let them try to outshine each other is what I say.
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It's actually likely just the opposite.

One very common trend you mentioned is to do what production committees already do, hire an established anime studio to do an adaptation of a work.
This means that studios now have an increasing source of reliable revenue from an increase in projects. As a result they're able to both be more established and the revenue from adaptations can allow them to pursue more original studio projects.
There will always be a place for Japanese adaptations as long as the manga industry is still going strong but the place where the anime industry can break into its own entity is through their original productions which they can't really do without a base of work.

exactly my thoughts, unlike the korean and the chinese stuff, most of the anime is popular due to the manga popularity, and manga don't going to die in the next centuries so as anime.
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Japanese animation has more
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Ciezul said:


If everyone just think about profits and losses, surely in someday we will only get same junk Netflix trying to feed us from every studio.
That's only if you choose the watch junk. Even without Netflix, Japan releases plenty of junk anime, since they release anywhere between 30-60 titles in a season.

It is also strange to think that Japanese animation will be in danger since they are not going to die out. They are one of the default forms of advertisement for publishing houses that are based in Japan. For them, anime is almost always a loss-making business whose expenses are offset by the boost in sales of the source material.

Furthermore, with competition the quality for both sides (Korean and Chinese animation) is a definitely going to improve if funding is maintained. The animators need well-paying jobs to survive in the end. Check the trailer in this Chinese animation for example:
https://myanimelist.net/anime/37936/Wu_Shan_Wu_Xing


People should really stop with the whole "anime is just an advertisement for the source material". If the publishing company has increased sales it is not going to share its profits with the others in the production committee. Everyone in the production committee makes their own money their own way. The publishers make money from book sales, the studio makes money from dvds and the like, music producers makes money from music sales, etc See this video to fully understand what I'm saying:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3KkMD3pEaio
Jul 2, 2020 3:43 AM
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mBlazi said:
One, grammar, two I really don't think so, even with all the new animes coming out that are chinese and korean based, anime will always be booming in Japan with all of the amazing anime it always makes.


I think since I am from Non-English speaking country, I will never be grammatically correct ever...
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AbrahamOmosun said:
Japanese animation has more
KreatorX said:
That's only if you choose the watch junk. Even without Netflix, Japan releases plenty of junk anime, since they release anywhere between 30-60 titles in a season.

It is also strange to think that Japanese animation will be in danger since they are not going to die out. They are one of the default forms of advertisement for publishing houses that are based in Japan. For them, anime is almost always a loss-making business whose expenses are offset by the boost in sales of the source material.

Furthermore, with competition the quality for both sides (Korean and Chinese animation) is a definitely going to improve if funding is maintained. The animators need well-paying jobs to survive in the end. Check the trailer in this Chinese animation for example:
https://myanimelist.net/anime/37936/Wu_Shan_Wu_Xing


People should really stop with the whole "anime is just an advertisement for the source material". If the publishing company has increased sales it is not going to share its profits with the others in the production committee. Everyone in the production committee makes their own money their own way. The publishers make money from book sales, the studio makes money from dvds and the like, music producers makes money from music sales, etc See this video to fully understand what I'm saying:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3KkMD3pEaio

But I didn't say anime is just an advertisement for source material. I said it is one of the default forms of advertisement, which are many.
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Japanese animation will never be overtaken as it is the origin of anime.
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Nah no country can beat japanese animes (saw already some attempts from other countries but they can't even get close to Japan with quality). And btw you mentioned that China are hiring Japanese animators - if anime is made by Japanese animators then it's Japanese anime not Chinese :)
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yes and no. it's a threat in a different way than you think.
it won't take over in popularity, or sales. BUT
chinese companies started to hunt animators in japan, offering them better pay.
tencent is a shareholder at specific studios I believe, they said they'll be streamlining their budget.
if my theory is right this is an attack on two fronts. make the studios unable to exist, then just offer them a new job at a new company.
even if the line above isn't true, as animators are already seriously underpaid I don't think they'd refuse a better paying project.
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Anime is not the only industry of Japan at risk. I predict her economy to collapse in 10 years from now.
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In danger?No.It might have a problem but also there is chance it will lead to rise of japanese anime industry.Just like most of us know about chinese and (korean?) anime and manhwa+manhua because we started watching japanese anime or reading japanese manga and after that we found these,people from Korea and China can discover japanese anime and manga and thus give industry a boost.(this is just my opinion on this matter)
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Personally, as a viewer, I will watch whatever I think I’ll enjoy most. At the moment that is Japanese anime, as its quality exceeds most of which has been produced in Korea and China. However, theoretically in the future, if Chinese/Korean ‘anime’ began to exceed the quality of Japanese anime (keep in mind this is an opinion-based factor), I don’t think it would be in any way immoral or wrong to just watch the the things you enjoy more.
Jul 2, 2020 6:47 AM
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Most Chinese animation is in ONA format.
They do try to sell them to Japan. So we get the rare Chinese Animation dubbed with recognisable Japanese VA's.

Its not a threat. In a sense I feel like it could open new doors to Japanese animators, who can maybe finally pursue animation in China and Korea, and maybe help rise the paying standards in Japan, since there would be a demand for experienced animators in China.

Thats said so far Japan has also benefitted from the Cheaper Chinese animators, Though with the Chinese Domestic Market growing it won't be long before some start heading back with their experience and skills to work on the domestic lines, rather than Japanese.

Japan and China even Korea produces their own unique Manga, Manhua, Manhwa. So LN, WN and VNs will have their own unique appeal.

Chinese animation still has a way to go. Kings Avatar was good, but the animation doesn't have the same impact as a Japanese anime. That said Hitori no Shita season 3 episode 2, shows that they are able to catch up and exceed what we have seen in some Japanese Animation. Its also probably the application of different graphical techniques to produce said shows aswell.

That said, I don't think China at the moment will be able to produce something that is as long running as One Piece, Detective Conan, Naruto etc etc. This could be due to the fact their isn't a domestic Comic publisher like Jump in Japan.

But at the same time WN's are proving to be a popular medium, and the source material of which are adapted in to Webcomics and some into animations. I mean I have found Korean Webcomics to be some of the best out there. Chinese ones start out very rough, they gradually get better, but they are no were close in terms of quality. Not to mention translation quality.

With Webnovel site up and running and most popular works being translated into English it has made these Chinese novels more accessible to the west, and there has been a growing audience for it. Plus its free to read all novels on said site.

Alot have proven popular enough to get live action adaptations aswell. Which in turn gets shipped to Countries where there are sizeable Chinese communities.
And with how Chinese Media gets shipped into Asia, I can see a growth in Asian interest in Chinese Animation and other mediums.

At the end it will be up to Japan and its own industry to tackle any changes in the market. Even if Chinese Animation becomes popular, I don't think it will mean Japan will suffer in the way most people imagine, as just as before Japanese Animation is widely enjoyed in China and Asia and I can see people like me consuming both. Also I hope it actually improves the quality of shows that get animated in Japan, as we tend to get alot of shows basically to advertise a mobile game.
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Ciezul said:
deg said:
what can you do? thats competition that capitalism brings anyway its economics 101 so let the better business win


If everyone just think about profits and losses, surely in someday we will only get same junk Netflix trying to feed us from every studio.


Well Netflix have giving us Devilman Crybaby, it's far one of the best shows last decade.

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Not really, Is not like the quality of the Japanese stories is something exceptional. In the past 5-6 years they become obsessed with Isekai... I think that 2 in 4 new manga is isekai right now. I mean there are a bunch of manga magazines that publish only isekai. So Chinese and Korean stories may be the most diversity we get for a while. Moreover, there is nothing to panic about, you know... The fact that we got Tower of God doesn't mean the Koreans are taking over. Those are Webtoon bestsellers, that are extremely popular internationally. As for Chinese... is pretty irrelevant that they hire a couple of Japanese animators, they are literally buying the whole Japanese anime industry, anyway. Is that dangerous? Well, yeah, leaving entertainment to Communist is not a good idea, but is nothing we can do about it. Is the Japanese failure. At the end if the day, in the past 2 decades alone, Japan produced, tens of thousands of anime. So even if the new one may suck one day, there is more than you can watch for the rest of your life, already produced.
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I have been watching a lot of shows made from china, close to everyone is missing something in the animation, it's not really smooth.

The sounds is sometimes really wierd too, it dosen't really fit in.

Then we have animation like this https://myanimelist.net/anime/35626/Yao_Shen_Ji
Where some side characters can be found in a bunch of another shows.

In terms of quality Chines is right now far behind what some studios in Japan can do, it's like they are decades behind.

Ofc it does exist shows with good animation and sounds like King Avatar etc.

But I woud say it's rather unique to find a chines project that is superior to Kandagawa Jet Girls.

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I don't think Chinese and Korean animation will overtake Japanese animation in both quality and popularity anytime soon, but Korean webtoons could certainly pose a threat to manga. That being said, a significant amount of animation work is outsourced already.
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majority of the Chinese and Korean entries on MAL are productions made specifically for kids so no worries
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ToG and GoH adaptations are a thing because Crunchyroll pays for them. The Japanese won't adapt any Chinese/Korean comics on their own accord simply because they won't have enough domestic popularity. If Western companies stop the financing, this "new age of anime", as some people like to call it, would die very quickly.
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I'll watch more Chinese anime if they make more like this.

Kickstarter for Rokujouma is fully funded. Good work everyone. Lets wait for the result of our hard work together.
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A lot of people are still unwilling to try non Japanese anime. And Chinese and Koreans have been involved in the anime industry for a long time, the only thing that is new is Chinese/Korean ran studios.
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Ciezul said:
deg said:
what can you do? thats competition that capitalism brings anyway its economics 101 so let the better business win


If everyone just think about profits and losses, surely in someday we will only get same junk Netflix trying to feed us from every studio.


thats just how capitalism and its link to competition and monopoly is though when a business kills all competition it becomes the monopoly in the end like Netflix is right now
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Ciezul said:
mBlazi said:
One, grammar, two I really don't think so, even with all the new animes coming out that are chinese and korean based, anime will always be booming in Japan with all of the amazing anime it always makes.


I think since I am from Non-English speaking country, I will never be grammatically correct ever...
My apologies then, I didn't know that english wasn't your first language.
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mBlazi said:
Ciezul said:


I think since I am from Non-English speaking country, I will never be grammatically correct ever...
My apologies then, I didn't know that english wasn't your first language.


No problem boss. Thanks for pointing out my mistakes. I will try to improve. Cheers.
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Most Chinese animation is in ONA format.
They do try to sell them to Japan. So we get the rare Chinese Animation dubbed with recognisable Japanese VA's.

Its not a threat. In a sense I feel like it could open new doors to Japanese animators, who can maybe finally pursue animation in China and Korea, and maybe help rise the paying standards in Japan, since there would be a demand for experienced animators in China.

Thats said so far Japan has also benefitted from the Cheaper Chinese animators, Though with the Chinese Domestic Market growing it won't be long before some start heading back with their experience and skills to work on the domestic lines, rather than Japanese.

Japan and China even Korea produces their own unique Manga, Manhua, Manhwa. So LN, WN and VNs will have their own unique appeal.

Chinese animation still has a way to go. Kings Avatar was good, but the animation doesn't have the same impact as a Japanese anime. That said Hitori no Shita season 3 episode 2, shows that they are able to catch up and exceed what we have seen in some Japanese Animation. Its also probably the application of different graphical techniques to produce said shows aswell.

That said, I don't think China at the moment will be able to produce something that is as long running as One Piece, Detective Conan, Naruto etc etc. This could be due to the fact their isn't a domestic Comic publisher like Jump in Japan.

But at the same time WN's are proving to be a popular medium, and the source material of which are adapted in to Webcomics and some into animations. I mean I have found Korean Webcomics to be some of the best out there. Chinese ones start out very rough, they gradually get better, but they are no were close in terms of quality. Not to mention translation quality.

With Webnovel site up and running and most popular works being translated into English it has made these Chinese novels more accessible to the west, and there has been a growing audience for it. Plus its free to read all novels on said site.

Alot have proven popular enough to get live action adaptations aswell. Which in turn gets shipped to Countries where there are sizeable Chinese communities.
And with how Chinese Media gets shipped into Asia, I can see a growth in Asian interest in Chinese Animation and other mediums.

At the end it will be up to Japan and its own industry to tackle any changes in the market. Even if Chinese Animation becomes popular, I don't think it will mean Japan will suffer in the way most people imagine, as just as before Japanese Animation is widely enjoyed in China and Asia and I can see people like me consuming both. Also I hope it actually improves the quality of shows that get animated in Japan, as we tend to get alot of shows basically to advertise a mobile game.


Very informative...

I just hope all just mix up and salary of Japanese animators improve.
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Doubt it; Japanese anime already has a strong international fanbase that if anything is growing. Plus I think it would take a long time for anywhere else to start producing the same amount of content every season as Japan does currently. IMO I think the bigger change in the industry will be if mainstream streaming services like Netflix continue to get the rights to stuff.
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Ciezul said:
One thing first : I only love Japanese anime and have some prejudice towards Chinese or Korean anime.

Yet after finishing Tower of God, which feels like pretty overhyped. Tbh, I am kinda disappointed as I thought watching this might change my outlook. But after watching initial 2/3 episode, it felt like HxH rip-off in some sense. Especially Khun's resemblance of probably most popular HxH character.

I watched in a video, made by Chinese anime lover, that more and more Chinese production houses are hirings talented Japanese animators by almost upto 100 times of money.

On the other hand Korean manhua (if I am right) are getting made by Japanese studios... Like... ToG and God of High school (by MAPPA).

My question is are Chinese or Korean are potentially a threat for Japanese industry?

Since, I grew up and still in my adulthood, practically watching Japanese shows, I kinda root for them.


Sounds like you are judging the entirety of chinese anime on this one bad show.
Well there are a LOT of bad anime out there too.

I think more countries making anime is a good thing. Imagine if america was the only country making movies say.

Compitition is a good thing. Say china comes out making anime that puts japan to shame. That means japan would have to step up their game to compete, which in turn would make china step up their game, and so on.
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Maybe in 2-3 decades, but currently Japanese Anime outshines other Eastern Asian animation productions by a ton. Also, Anime is specifically made for Japanese consumption, it only expands if it was successful in Japan first.

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