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| THIS IS A MANGA ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS ANYTHING BEYOND THIS CHAPTER. ---------------------------------------- OMG! The timing of this episode and the timing of the manga. Just unreal! Not only the letter has been been confirmed if it wasn't already but the biggest ever bomb has been dropped. Now it makes sense why Koba-chan's Ishibame ship is so out of place when she has been Iino's best friend. Damn! Koba-chan: Why was that? Were you in love with her (back then)? Ishii: My intention was genuine. If I left her like that she would have been completely broken. This is stupendous! Absolutely brilliant! |
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| A detective who uses his deductive powers to corner a suspect and then does nothing to stop them from committing suicide is no better than a murderer himself - Kudo Shinichi |
I've already done the same, and man, that was unexpected! |
| A detective who uses his deductive powers to corner a suspect and then does nothing to stop them from committing suicide is no better than a murderer himself - Kudo Shinichi |
momoka16 said: To me, it wasn't totally unexprected, ironically I wrote this post https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1841455#msg60010385 before to read this thread and the spoilers on reddit. I always had the feelings that Koba had some feelings for Ishigami (honestly, I think the same about Chika, but that's a different topic), anyway I wasn't sure about the fact the author wanted to expand the number of girls interested in Ishigami, but this plot twist changes everything and we can actually consider some apparent hints as actual hints. After all, the author said that he wrote the characters in a way that they are actually the oppsite of what they look. For example, he said that Miko is very pure only on the surface, but she is actually very depraved. At this point, it's clear that Ishigami has been introduced to us as an unpopular guy, but he will end up with being popular. As I already told, except for the rumors about his past, there aren't any real reasons why he shouldn't be popular. He isn't written as a guy who is supposed to be unlikable. The girls who actually know his actual past can easily find him attractive...Come on, we are speaking about a guy who protected a girl by her unfaithful boyfriend, accepting all the unfair accusations against himself related to that situation only for her sake. He is basically a hero, plus, he is actually good looking and his rebellious attitude is something that is usually considered charming by young girls. He isn't yout typical harem protagonist without any quality, he has tons of qualities that make him attractive. About Osaragi, her attitude was always suspicious in my opinion. She looks like a girl who cares only about her business, but she was always very interested into Ishigami's personal life. The fact she was simply involved in his business only for "shipping wars reasons" was too much silly, by considering how she was supporting him since the beginning. Also her shallow relationship with the captain looked suspicious to me, plus the fact that we never saw her eyes, despite we know she is a beauty. I thought we could see her full face only in the moment she would have admitted her feelings for Ishigami. Unlike Iino's love, her love looks selfless but at this point, since in this manga everyone hides more than it seems, I suspect the truth is different. While she could actually wish for the happiness of Ishigami, I believe her own selfish feelings are playing a role in her actions. I believe inside her, she is jealous of Iino, since Ishigami always supported her. She is aware about the fact Iino and Ishigami are actually very close despite the appearances, and probably she believes that a relationship between them could be more succesful in the long term than a relationship between Tsubame and Ishigami. I suspect she could have noticed that Ishigami actually likes Iino, not Tsubame. Alsol, it's also possible that after her graduation, Tubame and Ishigami could break up. Meanwhile, Iino could give up on Ishigami and at this point, Osaragi could have her chance with Ishigami. Again, in this manga the characters are not what they are supposed to look. Shirogane and Kaguya were supposed to be perfect and logical people, but both of them are insecure, emotional and fragile. Ishigami was supposed to be unpopular with the girls, but it's only the result of some misunderstanding and he has actually all the qualities to be popular. Iino is supposed to be a pure maiden obsessed with moral, but she is actually lewd and attracted to rebelious attitudes. Osaragi is apparently supposed to represent an example of selfless love, but I suspect also this expectation could be betrayed. That sure was a ton of text. You really described the situation very well. I don't think chika likes Ishigami, I ship her with Hayasaka. From the very start, the fact that Osaragi was one of the top beautys of the school and not having seen her without the glasses made me think she was more than we were given, but still didn't saw it coming. You sure are a man of culture! |
| A detective who uses his deductive powers to corner a suspect and then does nothing to stop them from committing suicide is no better than a murderer himself - Kudo Shinichi |
Oh, I just remembered another funny thing! In the episode 9, we got this Peanuts parody: I think this explains everything, since both Peppermint Patty and Marcie have an unrequited crush on Charlie Brown. :P |
HalfHalfBastard said: So... Osaragi likes Ishigami. That's cool. One question though: Why? This is so random lmao The 3 most recent "arcs" are just not for me. I can see where you are coming from. Not a fan of the harem route it is taking myself but I will be putting my monies on Akasaka Aka for the time being. Who knows how many will enter the Ishii bowl after this Haha! It feels weird because he was doing great and then suddenly he is the most popular amongst some of the most beautiful girls in the story. When Akasaka Aka said the story isn't halfway through, I was excited and interested to see which route he would take. Harem was the last route I was considering at all because it greatly undermined the originality this was founded on. We have seen that it's easier to prolong stories by adding girls in a harem bowl. Most of the stories, even some of the best ones, are not immune to that. And we cannot help it. It's the cheapest card to lengthen a story. A quick resolve doesn't seem to be on the cards. Will still be interesting to see how far this is actually dra~~gged on. *rolls eyes* The things I am most interested in this manga right now are: - Iino and Miyuki's Senpai/Kouhai chapters - Miyuki's mother and if the real reason why she left is really not having any feeling for Diogane or her family at all - The next source of intel on Kaguya's daily life to the main house now that Hayasaka has been relieved of her duty - Fujiwara's challenge and the reason she stopped being a musician; there could be a dark past behind her bubbly personality - Momo Ryuuji and how Miyuki earned her favour - The Table Top Gaming Club and - Characters like Onodera, Mikado and Maki So, there are still plenty of things to have me invested outside the IshiIino I am hoping to happen despite of the harem route. |
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| ^^ My bad. That was a typo. I meant Ryuuju Momo. She is the president of the astronomy club and she was the treasurer of the previous student council (when Miyuki was a first year). If you don't recall, no worries. She will make an appearance in the next episode of Kaguya-sama (S2 Episode 11). She is one of the most powerful students in the school: - She is the daughter of the boss of one of Japan's oldest and the most powerful Yakuza families. - She has enough power to make her own rules without anyone questioning or how her air of arrogance during her conversation with the Principal. - She is known as one of the four "Impossible Girls" of the school, which means she is a beauty as well. - She is also a member of the Shuchiin VIPs and have tremendous influence even outside school (eg. she was in the meeting of the VIPs that decided that Oogino will be moved out of the country to Cambodia including the sh!tty guys' parents when they heard what he did to Ishii.) Connections with the main cast: - Miyuki knows her in person because he was part of the previous student council with her and also because of his interest in astronomy; it is indicated that she returned his favour by helping him set up the Arsene plan with balloons during the dual confession arc. She was also the one who advised Miyuki on how to be in equal footings of Kaguya. - Kaguya knows that she is one of the Shuchiin VIPs and she told them about the Oogino-Ishii incident, knowing even she has her limitations but the Shuchiin VIPs won't stop at anything if the want to deliver justice. - She knows about Ishii's involvement in the middle school incident but remained tight lipped. As one would expect from the daughter of a Yakuza clan. Appearances: Chapter 39 Chapter 90 Chapter 116 Chapter 137 Chapter 147 Chapter 166 |
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| She clearly said she likes him but not developed into "love".. It was same as like as a friend.. I think spoiler from cn made a huge misunderstanding |
| This is what happens when you blindly believe 4chan spoilers smh Anyways great chapter, Aka is a master at creating suspense and hype |
| I just read the Spanish translation, it said that there are many types of love, not only the romantic one. It's stated that she's not romantically attracted to him so my guess it's that Osaragi likes him platonically and genuinely wants him to be happy. For some reason she doesn't think Iino would make him happy and it's obvious now that she didn't tell her about Ishi because love coming from a Macguffin would be shallow and only lead to unhappiness. So, maybe she's not a IshixIino because she thinks it'd based on that Macguffin and she doesn't see that it's a genuine development or that, as always, Iino timing is really bad but she could support her if he didn't like anyone else. Still, I'm glad we are getting into Osaragi, Koyasu and even Otomo. We really needed development for the first two. But Kaguya of all people liked Koyasu's plan? Woah, I never expected her to be so messed up. And goddammit, Osaragi is pretty, holy shit. |
Primo_ItokoJun 20, 2020 10:43 AM
| Lol, look at the reception of this chapter holy moly. Anyway, I found the chapter to be pretty engaging tbh, loved the whole Osaragi revelation, what a surprise it was but now it makes a lot of sense looking back. Can't wait to see where all this shit happening as of late will go. 5/5 |
| "Life is too bitter, so coffee, at least should be sweet..." - Hikigaya Hachiman (Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatte Iru) |
| lol, I guess most who voted “dislike” or “hated” this chapter didn’t actually read the chapter at all? This was a beautiful chapter, and in case it wasn’t already expressly clear from the last few panels, no, Osaragi isn’t joining the harem. Her admiration for Ishigami didn’t even fully bloom into romantic feelings. Shame on those who voted prematurely without even knowing wtf was actually going on. |
| Was not expecting this. Ishigami is pretty cool though so it does make a little sense. |
| :) |
| When the Ice Kaguya arc was happening I didn't really understand why and where the characters were coming from, but now I see all the crafting and work the Aka put it on the characters and the writing, every other romcom that had an epilogue or decided to continue after a confession would have the relationship just be an all love and flowers with everything going right, but Miyuki and Kaguya simply were not there yet (and I'm sure they will mature a lot more still) and the hardships they went through that arc made them develop and understand each other a little bit more. The past 3 arcs were awesome and I believe in Aka in this one, again he's not just any writer that you found out there. |
| What a chapter! Never expected Osaragi would feel that way. Anyway I'm dying to know what plan Tsubame came up with. Time to clear our boy Ishigami's name. |
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| I think the reveal was more positive than negative. Regardless of whether Osaragi loves Ishigami romantically or not, it is nice to be surprised a bit. You don't want things too predictable either, and it didn't come across as implausible. Speaking of which, I wonder whether Kaguya's stated motives for supporting Koyasu are true either. For all I know, she could be acting as a double agent and sabotaging them from within. I have seen enough plot twists in my day not to trust these things. |
| I'm still not convinced about Osaragi's feelings towards Ishigami, it just seems so out of place, and besides, the official translation is yet to be released, let's just wait for a few more hours 'til the official translated chapter is out so that we can confirm the matter. No shade, this chapter is insanely goddamn stimulating. |
PixiePlopzJun 17, 2020 11:36 AM
| i need to reread the manga again to get a better context i’m so confused on how everything has gotten to this point hh |
| this is an.....ok chapter i guess? It does make Osagiri come off as alot less shitty but this still feels almost kind of random to me, still looking foreword to whatever the hell direction tsubame and Ootomo is going especially with what kaguya was saying. Guess ill just wait and see as someone else said, sometimes the series does rely on building stuff up like the iceguya chapters did, this was clearly build up given that they are teasing some vague plan, that said my bet is Osagiri and Tsubame are both working to get Ishigami with Ootomo and tsubame is doing this to make up for the fact that she probably doesnt want to get with him romantically or feels she cant going away to college. also is it me or do these chapters feel way shorter, like i swear they pass by in an instant and the end always catches me off guard. |
JizzyHitlerJun 17, 2020 6:26 PM
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
| i think speed scans mistranslated. osagiri never said she is romantically in love with ishigami. this made all of her action made soo much sense. still wondering their reasoning to reveal ishigami past tho. what's the motive behind it? |
 "If taking responsibility for a mistake that cannot be undone means death, it's not that hard to die. At least, not as hard as to live on." |
| Wow, I did not expect Osaragi's backstory. She was really cute during her childhood! I wonder how this plan from Koyasu-senpai will go. |
 "to the world you may be one person, but to one person you may be the world." -a magnet |
| All the people that trusted leak version are the people that bullied ishigami based on false information.. |
| So osaragi was bullied due to her family circumstances and her friends stood up for her, and also tsubame helped her too And the plan devised by Tsubame surprised even Kaguya too lmao what kind of underhanded plan has she come up with for Kaguya who is a master of underhanded tricks to be surprised Osaragi likes ishigami but NOT ROMANTICALLY, she wishes for his happinesses |
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| Oooo Osagari chapter. I really like this chapter, it dives into more of Osagari's character and her reason behind supporting Ishigami and Tsubame. I gotta say that I like Osagari a lot more now that we know I think on some level, everyone knew that Ishigami was the guy who gave Iino the flower. I also like his reaction when Osagari confronts him about it. Also I really like that last panel, and that profile shot of Osagari looks really nice.  Shinomiya seems to be quite interested in tsubame's plan to meet with Ootomo and I'm really looking forward to seeing how that will all unfold. |
arcticmontysJun 17, 2020 10:00 PM
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| Thank God she didn't like him romantically otherwise I would just hate ishi with osaragi too. |
momoka16 said: To me, it wasn't totally unexprected, ironically I wrote this post https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1841455#msg60010385 before to read this thread and the spoilers on reddit. I always had the feelings that Koba had some feelings for Ishigami (honestly, I think the same about Chika, but that's a different topic), anyway I wasn't sure about the fact the author wanted to expand the number of girls interested in Ishigami, but this plot twist changes everything and we can actually consider some apparent hints as actual hints. After all, the author said that he wrote the characters in a way that they are actually the oppsite of what they look. For example, he said that Miko is very pure only on the surface, but she is actually very depraved. At this point, it's clear that Ishigami has been introduced to us as an unpopular guy, but he will end up with being popular. As I already told, except for the rumors about his past, there aren't any real reasons why he shouldn't be popular. He isn't written as a guy who is supposed to be unlikable. The girls who actually know his actual past can easily find him attractive...Come on, we are speaking about a guy who protected a girl by her unfaithful boyfriend, accepting all the unfair accusations against himself related to that situation only for her sake. He is basically a hero, plus, he is actually good looking and his rebellious attitude is something that is usually considered charming by young girls. He isn't yout typical harem protagonist without any quality, he has tons of qualities that make him attractive. About Osaragi, her attitude was always suspicious in my opinion. She looks like a girl who cares only about her business, but she was always very interested into Ishigami's personal life. The fact she was simply involved in his business only for "shipping wars reasons" was too much silly, by considering how she was supporting him since the beginning. Also her shallow relationship with the captain looked suspicious to me, plus the fact that we never saw her eyes, despite we know she is a beauty. I thought we could see her full face only in the moment she would have admitted her feelings for Ishigami. Unlike Iino's love, her love looks selfless but at this point, since in this manga everyone hides more than it seems, I suspect the truth is different. While she could actually wish for the happiness of Ishigami, I believe her own selfish feelings are playing a role in her actions. I believe inside her, she is jealous of Iino, since Ishigami always supported her. She is aware about the fact Iino and Ishigami are actually very close despite the appearances, and probably she believes that a relationship between them could be more successful in the long term than a relationship between Tsubame and Ishigami. I suspect she could have noticed that Ishigami actually likes Iino, not Tsubame. Also, it's also possible that after her graduation, Tubame and Ishigami could break up. Meanwhile, Iino could give up on Ishigami and at this point, Osaragi could have her chance with him. In this manga the characters are not what they are supposed to look. Shirogane and Kaguya were supposed to be perfect and logical people, but both of them are insecure, emotional and fragile. Ishigami was supposed to be unpopular with the girls, but it's only the result of some misunderstanding and he has actually all the qualities to be popular. Iino is supposed to be a pure maiden obsessed with moral, but she is actually lewd and attracted to rebellious attitudes. Osaragi is apparently supposed to represent an example of selfless love, but I suspect also this expectation could be betrayed. Edit: I am reading the comments of some people who are confused by the fact Osaragi never said to Iino that Ishigami was the flower's guy, or by the fact that she never confessed to Ishigami. This is because they are assuming she is actually acting for his sake, and not for her selfish reasons, as your typical person in love is supposed to do. If we assume she is actually defending her own interests, everything does make sense. She never told Iino that Ishigami was the flower's guy because she knows that this would make Iino closer to him. She never confessed to Ishigami because she believes he could like Iino, and until the chances for IshigamixIino are not completely destroyed, she hasn't any chance with him. She is supporting IshigamixTsubame because she doesn't think this relationship can be successful in the long term, but at the same time it could destroy any chance for IshigamixIino. Basically, her priority is to make IshigamixIino impossible, because only at this point she could have her chance with him. Your reasoning is very compelling, however, I'm not sure if you noticed this, but there was a small clue that apparently opposes it. There is a constant theme of (roles/actors) (deceit/truth) (hiding behind masks/genuineness) in this manga, as I'm sure you've noticed. One of the times in which it was emphasized visually is in the arc where ishigami joined a club and met tsubame for the first time (forgot the name). In there, all the people that ishigami didn't know were portrayed without eyes, and as it was later revealed ,it was no accident. Their eyes were drawn as soon as ishigami recognized them as colleagues doing their best instead of shallow people slacking off in a useless club. In other words, he recognized their true selves. In this chapter, while osaragi's thoughts were being displayed and she mentioned her admiration for him and her desire to see him happy, her eyes were drawn behind the glasses for the first time in the entire manga if I'm not mistaken. If the author is using the eyes as the same plot device to display this idea of a person being perceived as she is, then osaragi is being honest. Tl;Dr Osaragi's eyes were drawn for the first time when she thought about her admiration of ishigami, and eyes were used previously to display an acknowledgement of the truth about characters that were drawn without them and incorrectly judged. |
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| Hmm, not exactly sure how I felt about this chapter. I'll wait to see where it leads. |
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| It was really interesting to read more into Osaragi and her background and story. Ditto for Tsubame who's a lot more than just the high school hottie. Im really looking forward to see what devious plan she concocted that even got devious eyes Kaguya turned on. I think a lot of people read too much into some things and get carried away like if they have everything figured out. Aka is not a predictable author and has no problem shunning conventions of the typical rom com manga. Quite the opposite. Just relax and enjoy the ride |
| "Perhaps there is a universal, absolute truth. Perhaps it justifies every question. But that's beyond the reach of these small hands." Mamoru Oshii There is a cult of ignorance (...) nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that “my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.” Isaac Asimov |
| I wonder what idea does senpai have I just wish that all this mess with Ishigami clears up and he finally gets what he deserves |
| Really nice to see Osaragi's vision on the situation, but getting really sad to watch Iino =( It kinda felt that Aka was somehow going for Iishi-Iino, but now?! So what's Tsubame planning! "Miko-chan really has the worst timing" |
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