| Get good with art/graphic design skills and put together a team of likeminded people to make one yourself. It can happen if people are determined enough to do it. |
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alshu said: Yes it can. Also KyoAni could put more effort and make it indistinguishable from cel animation only with digital tools. Bourmegar said: or a Shinkai Movie - Do we need more of those? - You can trace photos with non-digital tools but such project would go beyond Shinkai Budget. Cel animation is too expensive and time consuming. Except for some short art projects there is no practical reason to bring it back. Well can Cell animation hold a candle against these digital tools? Ppl just want Cells back because of style, which is a weird reason because such styles can be replicated in Digital animation. Just look at MegaloBox for a good example. I found Megalobox to be one of the best looking shows of 2018. |
| Actually, we all know how good the characters design are in the past. But there's nothing "unique" about it, they all look the same. But to say today's characters designs are ugly is a stretch. You should only watch old shows then. I'd rather watch shows from 2000s til now, the story is much better and some look much better too. |
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BenRyan said: So you plan to use capitalism to fight capitalism... just amazing LMFAOOOmhkr said: That image is just a 90s generic style to me and you're blaming new anime don't have unique-ness. Even MAL users are tired of this "old vs new" threads Son go back watching sponge bob lol don't fall for the capitalist agenda. We simply have to create conditions in which it's more profitable to do cel or #boycott. |
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Bourmegar said: Well can Cell animation hold a candle against these digital tools? There are different aspects of that. - With cell animation you can achieve better stuff than one which digital tools are used for nowadays: like better than Violet Evergarden. I think you are not giving it enough credit. - On the other hand with said digital tools you also can make way way better stuff than we see today. They have great potential but are not used to their full extent. For example in Violet Evergarden the animators could make the movements of the "camera" and the characters more natural (like in their other projects), not so robotic but...I guess KyoAni didn't had the time/money. The "cell animation" people are actually nostalgic for the projects where artists had more time to refine and put a personal touch in their work...and of course there is some cherry picking going on. Bourmegar said: Ppl just want Cells back because of style, which is a weird reason because such styles can be replicated in Digital animation. Just look at MegaloBox for a good example. - Yes it can. - MegaloBox is not a good example tho. It didn't looked right because the "replicating tricks" were cheap: just degrading the quality of some layers. It had the "old VHS copy" washed out effect. There are more complex (and convincing) technics to make it look hand drawn. Yes the OP has a really bizarre way to make his point - this is only a character design. He could put an animated gif (from Robot Carnival or Manie-Manie: Meikyuu Monogatari for example) to demonstrate the animation. Also I would pick Iria (MC in Iria: Zeiram) from the same period instead of Gally. (No sure why there are so many fans of Gunnm/Alita OVA.) |
alshuSep 18, 2019 12:16 AM
| Not gonna lie, people saying cel is ugly and boring triggers me more than anything else in this fuckin community |
| Pay us artists more money lol Art and animation is so much easier to create now. I hope we never go back. There are of course ways to stylize new animation to look like old cel animation. |
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| We don't. I don't want it back since it would be replacing a superior product with an inferior one and the amount of anime produced per season would decrease due to the increased workload which would mean less variety. I'm sure the animators also don't want to go back to working 10 times harder for the same inadequate paycheck either since they're already overloaded as is. |
KruszerSep 21, 2019 1:59 AM
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| I actually kinda want anime to move forward. Away from drawing first and into 100% digital. A lot of extra effort is wasted hand drawing stuff when it could just be all done in computers. You still see older methods of animation in student projects. ^^; So it is still around. Just. why do it that way when it is so much more expensive and so much more effort?Computers are here to help. Not the enemy. |
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Iyya said: When anime is not all about business, could we get cell animation back. In the meanwhile, you can check indie authors, they exist. Expecting a main industry in entertainment to not be about business is futile. |
Iyya said: When anime is not all about business, could we get cell animation back. Anime Industry sucks this time > this news is from today JoJo's Bizarre Adventure Part 5 Animation Director Claims He Hasn't Been Paid https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2019-09-19/jojo-bizarre-adventure-part-5-animation-director-claims-he-hasnt-been-paid/.151323 |
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| like it or hate it, the industry moves forward and certain styles come and go also saying how all modern animes look generic is just untrue, i would agree if you said there are more generic animes nowadays because there are simply more anime shows coming out, but it sure doesnt mean we get generic looking shows all the time, cause saying that probably means you havent done jack shit to see the good stuff. I sometimes feel like people like older stuff they grew up watching purely for nostalgic reasons it just seems like a classic rant of "modern anime looks worse than older anime" which at this point makes no sense cause literally any time period had bad and good looking stuff |
yotiSep 21, 2019 8:29 AM
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| I dont think we should, old anime are known for their character designs so let them remain special, if cel animation was brought back I would probably not get that feel from old anime |
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Catalano said: cel is too much of a hassle, it takes too long, the cel deteriorates, come on! we evolved, berserk 2016 proves it. Berserk 2016 is the epitome of animation. |
BenRyan said: Iyya said: When anime is not all about business, could we get cell animation back. Anime Industry sucks this time > this news is from today JoJo's Bizarre Adventure Part 5 Animation Director Claims He Hasn't Been Paid https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2019-09-19/jojo-bizarre-adventure-part-5-animation-director-claims-he-hasnt-been-paid/.151323 Yeah poor wages and abuses like this have always been this way. Things need to change and the Japanese government needs to step in. |
Heimur said:  Oh look another thread complaining about how old anime is superior to modern one. And then the modern anime fans are the ones who are "wrong" despite the fact that this kind of BS is usually started for old anime fans. It's tiresome seeing this crap over and over when the ones who start them never give a chance to new anime on first place but somehow believe they have a higher moral ground. Look, i posted a image cherry picking too, that count as an argument somehow right? Btw i have Joe on my favs before you want to play the card i always see old anime fans playing when are called out. this would be more appropriate for the thread.  We should appreciate M.Yuasa really Cel shading is good too when combined with traditional animation, unfortunately not many animated features use it. Eg here |
| how about don't bring it back cuz it can be expensive and time-consuming? i'm sure you can just replicate the cel-shading style with digital animation anyway |
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petran79 said: Heimur said: Oh look another thread complaining about how old anime is superior to modern one. And then the modern anime fans are the ones who are "wrong" despite the fact that this kind of BS is usually started for old anime fans. It's tiresome seeing this crap over and over when the ones who start them never give a chance to new anime on first place but somehow believe they have a higher moral ground. Look, i posted a image cherry picking too, that count as an argument somehow right? Btw i have Joe on my favs before you want to play the card i always see old anime fans playing when are called out. this would be more appropriate for the thread. We should appreciate M.Yuasa really Cel shading is good too when combined with traditional animation, unfortunately not many animated features use it. Eg here Sorry but even the picture you posted is wrong. It compares 80s/90s OVAS and Movies to regular TV shows. OVAs have a bigger Budget And more time compared to a regular tv show. It could have been a whole different story if it compared old OVAs and Movies to newer Movies and OVAs. Old OVAs would then still be better because most of the new OVAs are just Bonus material whereas Old ones stand on their own like Gunbuster (a case where details only make Noriko sexier, I mean that shade under her chest and the stretches you see on her shirt makes her chest look bigger). And yh we should appreciate MASTER Yuasa and other Visionaries Like Our lord Miyazaki. But sadly, most cannot go all out thanks to the greed of others...... |
HeruruMeruru said: Fario-P said: how about don't bring it back cuz it can be expensive and time-consuming? i'm sure you can just replicate the cel-shading style with digital animation anyway Then why hasn't anyone replicated the style successfully? Don't get me wrong, I do think bringing back cels is not practical unless it's for a personal passion project, but you'd think they'd have figured out how to make digital animation look and move exactly like cels by now. The attempts I've seen like Megalobox and the 2017 Mahoujin Guru Guru were not very convincing. I want to see it but it still hasn't happened. idk tbh, that is a question for the ages maybe the anime industry thinks that people don't like that kind of style anymore |
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 to  -  to  -  to  Looks like a progress to me. |
| I'ma need sauce on those first two images. ;) |
Please learn about cel animation and its technical process. Learn how special effects and backlighting were done without computers. |
ShadowMonkey said: It's just new anime fans/casuals who say that tbh. To not truly appreciate cel animation otherwise there's something wrong wichu. Not gonna lie, people saying cel is ugly and boring triggers me more than anything else in this fuckin community |
Psajdak said: How in the heck is that progress mangto - to - to Looks like a progress to me. |
Cabron said: https://myanimelist.net/character/30983/Fugen_Shinjin/picturesI'ma need sauce on those first two images. ;) https://myanimelist.net/character/4663/Dakki/pictures |
| Listen, I love cel animation, I prefer retro styled animation and all but realistically, it's not feasible. It comes at the cost of extra material price, takes some physical storage space and is inflammable (a concern which has grown even more stronger with the fire destroying Kyoto Animation's headquarters). If you choose it over digital animation, the price of production of final workpiece will raise, the planning time will be constraining than if you do everything with a more practical computer and it will have an impact on the benefits you must generate to stay afloat. Maybe it can work if you take high risks, and market your studio as luxury blockbuster product maker, which are taken care of with utmost attention. Even so, I doubt there is a solid enough market to sustain a niche approach like this... We, vintage style aficionados, are a dying breed. On the other hand, I wish there was a blend of the two, digital and cel. There was interesting attempts around it in the 2000s, but the potential wasn't pushed at the maximum. And CGIs are still crap when it comes to render Background Art. While it's debatable that retro chara-design is superior, Background Art and Art Direction as a whole absolutely was. It's sad to see ugly 3D models to render things as landscape, buildings or vehicles. Other than that, I think CGIs are great to render visual effects like sparks, dust particles, cold metal texture... |
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Klad said: Pictures that I linked are how average anime looked at the time - well, old school Hyakkimaru being an exception - that isn't screenshot.@Psajdak Hey good job purposely picking obscure cel animation pics. Why don't you bring these up instead? What you linked are movie/OVA screenshots. Also, it's not like I meant that old looks worse by that "progress" part, just that anime visually evolves in, for most part, good direction, and there is no need to go back to old techniques, when current technology can allow for such nice visuals. |
Psajdak said: No, you purposely handpicked bad animated old anime. I'm not saying that every cel animation is instant great every time. But cel at its highest budget >>>. Klad said: Pictures that I linked are how average anime looked at the time - well, old school Hyakkimaru being an exception - that isn't screenshot.@Psajdak Hey good job purposely picking obscure cel animation pics. Why don't you bring these up instead? What you linked are movie/OVA screenshots. Also, it's not like I meant that old looks worse by that "progress" part, just that anime visually evolves in, for most part, good direction, and there is no need to go back to old techniques, when current technology can allow for such nice visuals. Hell, why don't you link how bad average anime look these days? Go watch a couple of Black Clover or One Piece episodes and you'll see lol/ Also Ashita no Joe isn't a movie or OVA bro. |
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AlphaN00b said: to everyone who say modern anime character design is generic, i'm sorry but do i need glasses? Bad examples tho. Kill la Kill - 2013 also Sushio is a veteran designer. He has older designs that look like that. Redline - 2009 and was developed for 7 years JoJo - the concept design is from 1986 Yojouhan Shinwa Taikei - 2010 (the screencap could be from the movie but still same design) Haikyuu - 2014, looks like shit and it's pretty generic. Kind of counterexample. Kaiji - the concept design is from 1996 So you got One Punch Man (the redesign of the manga), Kakegurui (which looks like shit) and Prison School (ewww). Not the I am against your statement, modern anime is pretty diverse as styles (the opposite of generic) but your examples are not showing that. |
alshuOct 2, 2019 12:51 AM
| new anime is so bad, not unique and trash, bla bla bla, yeah sure, go away you 90s boomer. |
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OP's image literally looks like the generic art we have today, just worse.
| @Joshua_QT I logged in at 1:00 AM in the morning to tell you how right I wish you were because most of the modern anime characters I've seen don't have a nose anywhere near as defined as the nose in the OP's image. They usually have a dot or line for a nose. |
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| Bringing back cel animation is like bringing back silent movies. Things changes. Nothing we can do about it. |
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| "How do we bring cel animation back?" It is a shame ofcourse. Old animes were really good at this aspect. |
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| I dont really get the hype about cel animation. Sounds like hipster posturing to me. How the hell does it make a show better just because it was painted onto thin strips of plastic? Might as well bring back VHS tapes and those cars you crank up while we're at it. |
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| It's possible, but it doesn't seem very feasible. |
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