| I don't get why that would even need to be legal, it's not like they can punish you after you kill yourself. Sexually abused at 11 and raped at 14... damn that's shitty. I don't blame her for her decision, though I don't think she should do it. |
| I know nothing of her exact case of what happened to her so I can not speak of her specifically. I can say there is this messed up mindset about rape in society consisting of two extremes and both can be harmful and the fact both exist together makes it worse. One extreme is downplaying rape and victim blaming and the other extreme is making out rape to the worst possible thing that could happen to anyone. Shouldn't it be obvious part of the psychological trauma is caused by these two viewpoints? As for the euthanasia I don't have strong opinions one way or another because I can see both sides but we are talking only a few years after she went through that. She probably should have had more time in therapy or had gone through a different therapeutic approach if what she had wasn't doing her any good. |
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| My thoughts on this: If someone is really suffering mentally and battling with depression to the point where they would rather be dead, euthanasia is the preferable choice over other methods of suicide in my opinion. For minors, their guardian or parents permission is 100% needed, but should be allowed. |
| That is sad to hear. |
| At least she was able to die peacefully and painlessly. Really sad that she saw this as the only way out though, but I can't really blame her. Hopefully her assailants are rotting in hell. Kinda surprised though that you're able to euthanize yourself at the age of 17 without parental permission. One would think that 18 would be the minimum age. I think assisted suicide should be allowed, but the person in question should be thoroughly evaluated and they should be helped as much as possible to maybe change their mind and somehow better their situation. But in the end, it's their life and they can ultimately decide what to do with it. |
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| No. She is too young to make that kind of decision. It can take years to emerge out of depression. Granting suicidal people the free choice to commit suicide... before they've even emerged or had any independence as an adult... is horrible. In a way it feels like a way for society to shake off the excess. I don't blame the person who did it. But I feel that she should not have had the choice to pervasively ruminate on. |
| Choosing to kill yourself is never the answer |
| Her story is sad but it looks like she contemplated about this decision for a long time instead of it being impulsive so I don't think allowing her to euthanize was wrong. At least with euthanasia she was able to die painlessly and say her farewells instead of attempting suicide herself. litolily said: What do you think? Should assisted sucide be allowed for mental suffering...especially for minors? I think we should have the right to decide if we want to keep living or not. I don't think she was considered a minor according to New Zealand laws (not sure). I don't think minors should be allowed to take such decisions, their brains are not sufficiently developed to make such big decisions seems like a sound argument. I think 17 is still a bit too young but in the end I have no say in this matter. I do think we should try to help those who wish to die before so I suppose having some mandatory counselling for maybe a month or so to try to help such people should be done. This would also ensure that it's not an impulsive decision as the person has time to contemplate before the time comes. deg said: same im neutral on euthanasia but im slightly in favor of its up to the whole family to decide that and not just the patient imo especially if the patient is still conscious I think only the consent of the individual granted they're an adult should be sufficient. Maybe raise the minimum age a bit. |
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Gator said: I don't get why that would even need to be legal, it's not like they can punish you after you kill yourself. Sexually abused at 11 and raped at 14... damn that's shitty. I don't blame her for her decision, though I don't think she should do it. Because if it's illegal, the suicide can't be assisted by trained medical professionals. The vast majority of suicide attempts fail because of improper or ineffective methods. Many of these failures end up permanently brain damaged or disfigured, leaving them worse off than before, but now physically unable to kill themselves. But if assisted suicide is legal, a doctor can prepare a dosage of something guaranteed to kill you in as painless a manner as possible with as much change of succeeding as possible. As to the case in question, I've long believed that anyone who truly wants to die, no matter their state of mind, should be allowed to do so. None of us choose to come into this world, so why should we be forced to stay here against our will? They made the right call by letting her kill herself. |
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| The headline is misleading, she wasn't euthanized! She applied for euthanasia but was refused and told she had to wait for her brain to develop fully. As an alternative loophole she underwent voluntary stopping of eating and drinking and then used the law of a patient having the right to refuse treatment. Under the Medical Treatment Contracts Act, a patient has the right to receive clear information from the physician about his medical condition, the prognosis and treatment options. Based on the information provided, the patient can either choose to grant or not grant care providers consent to provide treatment, nursing or care. A patient always has the right to decide against treatment, nursing and care, or against specific aspects thereof. Should the patient not grant consent, the care providers may not provide treatment, nursing or care. There are ways around this, this wasn't the first time. She was force fed a couple times before this. However this time they gave in a decided not to force feed her but to provide pain relief. It was basically respecting her decision to not undergo treatment, she was already slowly killing herself. The doctors just made her passing away as painless as possible. It's kind of disgusting how the media outlets are framing this story to push their own agenda. |
xLoopJun 5, 2019 7:41 AM
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| I'm not against all euthanasia, but normalizing it as a cure for depression can lead to problems in society. It's a sad situation she was in, and I do not know the feeling of the trauma she went through. There were most likely better ways and more things that could be done to deal with her troubles though. |
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| i can understand choosing euthanasia due to physical pain because of various illnesses like cancer or due to severe mental illnesses like 'Dementia with Lewy bodies' which creates severe hallucinations but euthansia due to depression and trauma of past experiences? i really dont know what to say. ive lived a very joyful childhood with loving parents and friends so i have no freaking idea what the girl was going through. Though still somewhere in my mind i think she overdid it...i hope she found peace. |
foscor70Jun 5, 2019 8:03 AM
| People own their own bodies and can do whatever they want to them. Including killing them, if that is what they want. (Though safeguards against exploitation are needed to make sure it's genuinely what they want.) |
SpamuraiSensei said: One less beta snowflake in the world today. Darwin wins again. Seriously, fuck you |
SpamuraiSensei said: One less beta snowflake in the world today. Darwin wins again. Darwin never existed, evolution is a myth. |
| Support euthanasia for the same reason I support capital punishment and wide expansion of abortion access and promotion - population control/reduction. This is a sad individual case obviously, but whether the decision was ultimately "right" is not really for anyone to say but her, the girl in question. For those talking about the irrationality of criminalizing suicide, it's more about the debate over legitimizing it as an option and allowing access than punishing a potential suicide case. There's no real way to "punish" an attempted suicide and I've never heard of this being done, at least insofar as classic criminal justice punishments. However, keeping it illegal stigmatizes it and makes it appear more shameful, unthinkable, and out of reach to people, and hinders their access to tools and resources to successfully accomplish it. |
| Sad story about the girl. Some people simply can't cope with that kind of burden and understandably so. I never understood the reason why people push so hard for euthanasia to be legal when there are dozens of ways to off yourself within arms reach. But I guess you could argue that it would prevent suicidal individuals from harming others when they try to off themselves. There was a story a while back ago when some guy rented a gun at a range with the intent to kill himself but he ended up accidentally killing the range officer instead. Similarly you have some people who drive head on into semi-trucks to kill themselves, not thinking of the damage done to the trucker's life. |
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zagzee said: Thank you for correcting the OP--though they were just making the thread based on the news headline.-InfiniteLoop- said: The headline is misleading, she wasn't euthanized! She applied for euthanasia but was refused and told she had to wait for her brain to develop fully. As an alternative loophole she underwent voluntary stopping of eating and drinking and then used the law of a patient having the right to refuse treatment. There are ways around this, this wasn't the first time. She was force fed a couple times before this. However this time they gave in a decided not to force feed her but to provide pain relief. It was basically respecting her decision to not undergo treatment, she was already slowly killing herself. The doctors just made her passing away as painless as possible. It's kind of disgusting how the media outlets are framing this story to push their own agenda. Yeah I saw this yesterday, truly disgusting and disgraceful reporting standards. I was about to say this but no point in me reiterating what you've already said. Some erroneous outlook can guide the direction of the entire thread to anti-euthanasia based on nada. It takes along time and many boundaries to get permission from the state (Netherlands), like years time. If you can't tell I believe with no absolutes that people have the right to decide the direction they want their life to go. @DiscoDespot It tries to ensure its painless, effective and saves "dignity" towards that individual. Improvement than failed attempts (pills) that result in further issues like coma, less danger all around (guns use), and more dignifying (better understanding than finding them swinging from something or face missing etc). I'm missing two more things but meh--not sure if they were as important. Hope the answer is enough. |
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Nightmare21st said: Indeed, the will to live is far more heroic.Choosing to kill yourself is never the answer  |
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Nightmare21st said: Never? That is an odd absolute to attach to all forms of suicide. It makes invisible all types of context/variables. Disagree but I understand what you were saying in the sense if you had said it off-hand.Choosing to kill yourself is never the answer @Orryx Smart line of questioning. No, those outside the age of majority couldn't decide to go through this process. Not even with parental consent. Lots of posts that seem to fall into the false belief physical ailments are the only "true" wounds and mental anguish, though difficult are not as longstanding as physical. 'Physical ailments can't be healed by deciding to heal, and you see the results regardless of the person's feelings. Mental ailments should be easier cause people can make choices, so choose to be not depressed to be better; easy!' Thats like saying be gay to a straight person in a sense. yeah they might feel pleasure if they close their eyes, but its not something you can tell them to live with doing and they'll be better. Hope you guys don't experience such psychological constraints--sounds like most of you would be in for a long fight. |
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| RIP. Very sad; We have scientists who are there to invent things for the future but we either do not have the doctors who could cure one from mental illness or the strength in the patient to find the sickness. Most of the diseases can be cured by strong will power and it was proven at least life could be taken forward and mental illness could be fought by our own. The unfortunate thing is ''a human himself becomes a burden to the other human, which normally doesn’t happen in an animals world.'' |
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