| I'm surprised no one (as far as I know, sorry for my ignorance) made a thread regarding this epic fail. Do you think that HGS qualify as an anime as CR says? Will it be added to the database? What do you think overall at the big fiasco? |
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| Well, I hope not. I think it is rather disappointing. |
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| I mean, I'm still hoping that Code Lyoko will be added here. Smfh mods |
| Isn't hgs an american cartoon though? Or this is a bait? |
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| Probably not. I think it's co-produced with Japan but it's not aimed at a Japanese audience. I like the visuals, but it seems like it will just be another Steven Universe inspired cartoon. Meh. |
Satyr_icon said: Probably not. I think it's co-produced with Japan but it's not aimed at a Japanese audience. I like the visuals, but it seems like it will just be another Steven Universe inspired cartoon. Meh. I guess things co-produced with Japan can be considered anime at some point. For example, there are old Russian cartoons Lolo the Penguin and Twelve Months which exist here on MAL because it was a collaboration with Japanese studio |
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| i think it will have too much non-japanese staff (creator, director, writer) to be accepted, though there is not enough information on it at the moment or maybe it is but it's buried under discussions of less important things about this series xD |
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| I don't know if that shit is co-worked with Japan, but even if it is, in MAL there are only complete japanese productions. For the umpteeth time, no, MAL doesn't include those "semi-anime". |
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TomatoSempai said: I see that someone is a newbie and wasn't around when we had like fifty threads about this.I'm surprised no one (as far as I know, sorry for my ignorance) made a thread regarding this epic fail. TomatoSempai said: MAL policy is that it's not anime if it's made by westerners, so the answer is no.Do you think that HGS qualify as an anime as CR says? Will it be added to the database? What do you think overall at the big fiasco? Has jack-all to do with whether it's successful, for what it's worth, so inb4 misplaced gloating. (For what it's worth, by my personal standards, I also wouldn't count it as anime, or at most it'd only be "a little" anime, since I go by art style.) Kuro_Neko04 said: FWIW MAL policy includes other east-Asian countries as well.I don't know if that shit is co-worked with Japan, but even if it is, in MAL there are only complete japanese productions. For the umpteeth time, no, MAL doesn't include those "semi-anime". |
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| No. Why it even should? Avatar is not on MAL database and it's closest cartoon to anime. HGS looks bad and will be bad. "Those people" are literally only advertising "muh diversity", so if they employ people based on they identity, not merit, you know it will be garbage. This has been proven time and time again. |
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| The biggest and most popular non-anime show out there is Avatar, yet it's not on here, so it's incredibly doubtful HGS would be added |
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GlennMagusHarvey said: Kuro_Neko04 said: FWIW MAL policy includes other east-Asian countries as well.I don't know if that shit is co-worked with Japan, but even if it is, in MAL there are only complete japanese productions. For the umpteeth time, no, MAL doesn't include those "semi-anime". Oh yeah you are right totally forgot that. Then only western productions, even if they are in collaboration with japan, aren't "allowed" on the site. |
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| btw the hell is all this hype and memes about some random flash cartoon? There are tons of similar crap on Youtube, does it even worth attention? |
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Paulo_Goncalves said: Kuro_Neko04 said: I don't know if that shit is co-worked with Japan, but even if it is, in MAL there are only complete japanese productions. For the umpteeth time, no, MAL doesn't include those "semi-anime". search once upon a life. It's considered an anime but part of it was done in france and italy. This is just an example, but as you say - I really hope it doesn't enter here. Yeah I know One Upon A Life because Im italian but wtf is really that "Siamo fatti così!" thing I watched when I was kid considered an anime by some people? What the heck Im surprised... |
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GlennMagusHarvey said: I log in every day (litrally) to MAL. I saw some posts regarding this, maybe I was misuderstood: "posts regarding HGS being added to the database" (¿)I see that someone is a newbie and wasn't around when we had like fifty threads about this. PS. I may say I don't comment quite a lot (altough my posts number says anything else) |
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| It's not an anime, CR said that it wasn't an anime, why is this thread so 2018? |
jal90 said: dunno, that is a really good question, i second this!It's not an anime, CR said that it wasn't an anime, why is this thread so 2018? |
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Nemo_Niemand said: I guess things co-produced with Japan can be considered anime at some point. For example, there are old Russian cartoons Lolo the Penguin and Twelve Months which exist here on MAL because it was a collaboration with Japanese studio Yeah, MAL is oddly arbitrary about what makes it or not into the database, but these two you mentioned apparently had a japanese release. Also, they are old, and they seem even more lenient with old/classic stuff. I don't think Crunchyroll works in Japan, so unless HGS has an official TV release in Japan it probably won't make it here. Also, all the attention is just because, well, it's an original cartoon by crunchyroll. It's expected to cause a considerable hubbub until the release, then be forgotten a week later. |
Satyr_icon said: Nemo_Niemand said: I guess things co-produced with Japan can be considered anime at some point. For example, there are old Russian cartoons Lolo the Penguin and Twelve Months which exist here on MAL because it was a collaboration with Japanese studio Yeah, MAL is oddly arbitrary about what makes it or not into the database, but these two you mentioned apparently had a japanese release. Also, they are old, and they seem even more lenient with old/classic stuff. I don't think Crunchyroll works in Japan, so unless HGS has an official TV release in Japan it probably won't make it here. Also, all the attention is just because, well, it's an original cartoon by crunchyroll. It's expected to cause a considerable hubbub until the release, then be forgotten a week later. I have a theory, they intentionally made all this drama just for advertisement, but it's hard to believe, what do you think? |
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Nemo_Niemand said: Basically, a studio affiliated with Crunchyroll is making its own original animated series, and following a minute-and-a-half-long announcement vid a while back, people started trying to read the everliving fuck into it and raise a giant fuss over it.btw the hell is all this hype and memes about some random flash cartoon? There are tons of similar crap on Youtube, does it even worth attention? Satyr_icon said: Yeah, I expect this to happen to it too. There are gonna be those people who will seize on every possible criticism of it and blame it on the "SJWs", but chances are everyone else will forget about it after a few months. At which point the "anti-SJW" folks will claim a victory because the highest search result on Google several years later will be some Encyclopedia Dramatica article about it or something like that lol.Also, all the attention is just because, well, it's an original cartoon by crunchyroll. It's expected to cause a considerable hubbub until the release, then be forgotten a week later. TomatoSempai said: If so, then all those people who resolved to stake out some sort of heroic stand by speaking out against it all got expertly trolled by reacting to this and giving it attention in the first place.I have a theory, they intentionally made all this drama just for advertisement, but it's hard to believe, what do you think? |
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| No, probably not. They'd have to add other American "anime-themed cartoons" such as Avatar, RWBY, Neo Yokio, etc. |
GlennMagusHarvey said: Well, I have few examples of doing intentional damage to the product, for example, the great GTA saga, R* paid a popular journalist to say bad things about the game and create co controversial stuff, the result, parents in rage, popularity of the franchise up in the clouds. Also Donald Trump, he was in every news.Nemo_Niemand said: Basically, a studio affiliated with Crunchyroll is making its own original animated series, and following a minute-and-a-half-long announcement vid a while back, people started trying to read the everliving fuck into it and raise a giant fuss over it.btw the hell is all this hype and memes about some random flash cartoon? There are tons of similar crap on Youtube, does it even worth attention? Satyr_icon said: Yeah, I expect this to happen to it too. There are gonna be those people who will seize on every possible criticism of it and blame it on the "SJWs", but chances are everyone else will forget about it after a few months. At which point the "anti-SJW" folks will claim a victory because the highest search result on Google several years later will be some Encyclopedia Dramatica article about it or something like that lol.Also, all the attention is just because, well, it's an original cartoon by crunchyroll. It's expected to cause a considerable hubbub until the release, then be forgotten a week later. TomatoSempai said: If so, then all those people who resolved to stake out some sort of heroic stand by speaking out against it all got expertly trolled by reacting to this and giving it attention in the first place.I have a theory, they intentionally made all this drama just for advertisement, but it's hard to believe, what do you think? |
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| I don't expect it to be added to this database or others like ANN/A-P/AniDB, but the fact that people are calling HGS an "epic fail" before a single episode has aired says more about the critics than it does about HGS. |
TomatoSempai said: I'm surprised no one (as far as I know, sorry for my ignorance) made a thread regarding this epic fail. Do you think that HGS qualify as an anime as CR says? Will it be added to the database? What do you think overall at the big fiasco? It already was: https://myanimelist.net/anime/38062/Endro |
| If Avatar and Castlevania aren't gunna ever be added, I highly doubt any other Western made cartoon/animated series will be added. |
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| thats like adding voltron legendary defender or gravity falls or steven universe to my anime list. If its made in america its not anime lol |
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Nerdanimefan1992 said: I think we should at least give it a try, to see it actually it is trash, although I agree that it would fail as most of the actual SJW stuff that has been released earlier.If this happens I would give a 1 rating |
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| People being happy about an "epic fail" or a "fiasco" before the show even started airing is sure a nice indicator of healthy behaviour. thewiru said: TomatoSempai said: I'm surprised no one (as far as I know, sorry for my ignorance) made a thread regarding this epic fail. Do you think that HGS qualify as an anime as CR says? Will it be added to the database? What do you think overall at the big fiasco? It already was: https://myanimelist.net/anime/38062/Endro Finally a good and informed post on the issue. |
jal90 said: I don't get it, what does Endro have to do with this?People being happy about an "epic fail" or a "fiasco" before the show even started airing is sure a nice indicator of healthy behaviour. Finally a good and informed post on the issue. |
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| If Rwby didn't make it into database by MAL's definition of anime, then so HGS as well. |
jal90 said: that's why I was confused with this thing. The term "anime" is a little bit ambiguous I may say.People being happy about an "epic fail" or a "fiasco" before the show even started airing is sure a nice indicator of healthy behaviour. Finally a good and informed post on the issue. |
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jal90 said: By the way, I don't really think anybody can deny that HGS was an actual marketing disaster. We can accept that and move on.People being happy about an "epic fail" or a "fiasco" before the show even started airing is sure a nice indicator of healthy behaviour. Finally a good and informed post on the issue. |
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GlennMagusHarvey said: jal90 said: I don't get it, what does Endro have to do with this?People being happy about an "epic fail" or a "fiasco" before the show even started airing is sure a nice indicator of healthy behaviour. Finally a good and informed post on the issue. I'm following the joke of the premise looking vaguely similar. @TomatoSempai Wait till the first episode airs to talk about marketing disaster or success. |
jal90 said: Ah.GlennMagusHarvey said: I don't get it, what does Endro have to do with this? I'm following the joke of the premise looking vaguely similar. @TomatoSempai Wait till the first episode airs to talk about marketing disaster or success. And personally I'd wait until a whole season has aired (and that I've watched it) to pass judgement on HGS. (I'll probably never get around to watching it though, so...lol) |
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jal90 said: People being happy about an "epic fail" or a "fiasco" before the show even started airing is sure a nice indicator of healthy behaviour. Finally a good and informed post on the issue. No one needed super powers to know that this would be awful. I doubt anyone would have predicted that it would be this bad tho . They literally fucked up the most simple writing tool ever. Exposition. Not only do the exposition concepts that the characters should already know. They exposition concepts that the audience already knows. |
| Honestly i would welcome it just to see how bad the score would be. |
CuteAssTiger said: jal90 said: People being happy about an "epic fail" or a "fiasco" before the show even started airing is sure a nice indicator of healthy behaviour. Finally a good and informed post on the issue. No one needed super powers to know that this would be awful. I doubt anyone would have predicted that it would be this bad tho . They literally fucked up the most simple writing tool ever. Exposition. Not only do the exposition concepts that the characters should already know. They exposition concepts that the audience already knows. I mean, it's the whole idea that it would be universally bad because it had an ideology some didn't like what I found fun. Steven Universe exists to show that stuff with "woke" politics can be actually considered good by most. It's just that people wanted to make a cultural war of their political distaste. If High Guardian Space is bad, it's bad, but the wish for this to fail is one of the most pathetic collective claims I've seen in the anime fandom. Not to mention how they fueled the fire spreading the lie that this show was supposed to be an anime, so that they could say that the West was trying to "fix" anime ideologically. Honestly, this shows looks bad and I don't even want to try it, but you are quoting a post from 2019 living through one of the most absurd shitshows I've ever witnessed in the fandom. |
jal90 said: CuteAssTiger said: No one needed super powers to know that this would be awful. I doubt anyone would have predicted that it would be this bad tho . They literally fucked up the most simple writing tool ever. Exposition. Not only do the exposition concepts that the characters should already know. They exposition concepts that the audience already knows. I mean, it's the whole idea that it would be universally bad because it had an ideology some didn't like what I found fun. Steven Universe exists to show that stuff with "woke" politics can be actually considered good by most. It's just that people wanted to make a cultural war of their political distaste. If High Guardian Space is bad, it's bad, but the wish for this to fail is one of the most pathetic collective claims I've seen in the anime fandom. Not to mention how they fueled the fire spreading the lie that this show was supposed to be an anime, so that they could say that the West was trying to "fix" anime ideologically. Honestly, this shows looks bad and I don't even want to try it, but you are quoting a post from 2019 living through one of the most absurd shitshows I've ever witnessed in the fandom. I just found this because I was trying to find whenever or not HGS actually would get a Mal entry🙂 To be fair crunchy roll talks about it as an anime and they pretend like it's the best shit ever. One of the very early signs of it's problems was that their entire trailer just talks about how their anime is the best shit ever, how woke they are, how diverse they are, how their entire writing staff is female , how they use 2d animation like it's some lost art , how unique their incredibly generic premise is etc It's not like a woke story can't be good. But a good story is never just concerned with being woke. I'm not very familiar with Steven universe. i just know people had issues with it's end. But that story has more then just being progressive. And it's trailers have more interesting things to show then who makes the story . In the same vain that people knew captn Marvel and batwoman would flop it was also pretty obvious that HGS would flop like that. Because these shows are more concerned to stroke their own political agendas rather then delivering a good story with good characters and good writing. |
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CuteAssTiger said: jal90 said: I mean, it's the whole idea that it would be universally bad because it had an ideology some didn't like what I found fun. Steven Universe exists to show that stuff with "woke" politics can be actually considered good by most. It's just that people wanted to make a cultural war of their political distaste. If High Guardian Space is bad, it's bad, but the wish for this to fail is one of the most pathetic collective claims I've seen in the anime fandom. Not to mention how they fueled the fire spreading the lie that this show was supposed to be an anime, so that they could say that the West was trying to "fix" anime ideologically. Honestly, this shows looks bad and I don't even want to try it, but you are quoting a post from 2019 living through one of the most absurd shitshows I've ever witnessed in the fandom. I just found this because I was trying to find whenever or not HGS actually would get a Mal entry🙂 To be fair crunchy roll talks about it as an anime and they pretend like it's the best shit ever. I mean, it's because Crunchyroll is an anime platform and tried to promote it as something that has to do with their catalog. And it is anime-inspired, but it's not anime, and it certainly didn't come to "fix" anime like some guys wanted to believe. There was really no reason to confront the anime fandom and this show. One of the very early signs of it's problems was that their entire trailer just talks about how their anime is the best shit ever, how woke they are, how diverse they are, how their entire writing staff is female , how they use 2d animation like it's some lost art , how unique their incredibly generic premise is etc I mean yeah, that trailer is not good, but it's also more of a declaration of intent than anything. It got overhated. It's more of a little making of than a trailer, actually. "We wanted to make a diverse show" is basically what the trailer is about, it's the creators explaining their motivations. The show had proper trailers later. It's not like a woke story can't be good. But a good story is never just concerned with being woke. Considering that I've watched really great stuff that is plain propaganda, I disagree. But anyway, if this show is bad would be due to bad writing, not to intent. In the same vain that people knew captn Marvel and batwoman would flop it was also pretty obvious that HGS would flop like that. Wait, do you really think Captain Marvel flopped? It made 6-7 times its budget in box office. It was your typical MCU cashcow. Also, people being angry with Captain Marvel is a whole different shitstorm. They just didn't like that the main actress had opinions about critics, and opinions that she, as a professional in her field, was way more informed about than the people who overreacted at her. As for the movie, is not any worse than any other origin story ones. Because these shows are more concerned to stroke their own political agendas rather then delivering a good story with good characters and good writing. Duh, Captain Marvel is a classic superhero's journey with paranoid thriller vibes and the typical MCU structure from beginning to end. What political agenda are you talking about? A girl having powers? |
| It's supposedly made either by americans, or in America. So it probably won't be added to MAL. |
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jal90 said: CuteAssTiger said: I just found this because I was trying to find whenever or not HGS actually would get a Mal entry🙂 To be fair crunchy roll talks about it as an anime and they pretend like it's the best shit ever. I mean, it's because Crunchyroll is an anime platform and tried to promote it as something that has to do with their catalog. And it is anime-inspired, but it's not anime, and it certainly didn't come to "fix" anime like some guys wanted to believe. There was really no reason to confront the anime fandom and this show. One of the very early signs of it's problems was that their entire trailer just talks about how their anime is the best shit ever, how woke they are, how diverse they are, how their entire writing staff is female , how they use 2d animation like it's some lost art , how unique their incredibly generic premise is etc I mean yeah, that trailer is not good, but it's also more of a declaration of intent than anything. It got overhated. It's more of a little making of than a trailer, actually. "We wanted to make a diverse show" is basically what the trailer is about, it's the creators explaining their motivations. The show had proper trailers later. It's not like a woke story can't be good. But a good story is never just concerned with being woke. Considering that I've watched really great stuff that is plain propaganda, I disagree. But anyway, if this show is bad would be due to bad writing, not to intent. In the same vain that people knew captn Marvel and batwoman would flop it was also pretty obvious that HGS would flop like that. Wait, do you really think Captain Marvel flopped? It made 6-7 times its budget in box office. It was your typical MCU cashcow. Also, people being angry with Captain Marvel is a whole different shitstorm. They just didn't like that the main actress had opinions about critics, and opinions that she, as a professional in her field, was way more informed about than the people who overreacted at her. As for the movie, is not any worse than any other origin story ones. Because these shows are more concerned to stroke their own political agendas rather then delivering a good story with good characters and good writing. Duh, Captain Marvel is a classic superhero's journey with paranoid thriller vibes and the typical MCU structure from beginning to end. What political agenda are you talking about? A girl having powers? Fixing anime is more a Twitter thing I guess but there is no denying that the way they presented things was hella pretentious. They act like they rediscovered 2D animation when nothing could be further away from the truth. And how their cartoon will be unlike anything we have ever seen when it's the most generic premise that anime offers. If you want to make a good story your focus shouldn't be " we want to make a diverse show". Do you know any good story that promotes itself by showing how diverse it's staff members are ? I get that good authors carry some fame. People might even look up who got casted for the voices and get excited when they know they can expect good Performance. But purely showcasing that your staff is a bunch of diverse nobody's that Boone has ever heard of? It just shows where their focus is . Tho of course theoretically this could have just been a total fuck up on the marketing departments side of things. Maybe they were just strange and everyone else was focused on making a good story . But if you look up some of those people they yeah no. This was deliberate. Bad writing and intend can go hand in hand. I would agree that a work should be viewed seperate from it's artist but the intend explains the failure of this cartoon. It's hard enough to write a good story. Nevermind doing that while not even trying. I haven't seen any good propaganda yet but I'm always open for recommendations. Captn marvel was so unpopular that they pretty much eliminated her from the follow up movies. She was intended to be the new face of the MCU but those plans shifted really fast. Idk about the box office numbers. And I've heard people claim that Disney inflated the ticket sales but I'm not a big fan of conspiracy theories. Everyone I know just went to a practically empty theater that night. I would judge the movies success more based on developments afterwards. We have to consider that in the MCU hype people would watch any new movie. Most people don't care to keep up with online drama like that ( honestly probably the better decision). Captn Marvel I'd just a massive Mary sue with super powers. She is the best ,greatest ,smartest most powerful girl arround while all her male adversaries are incompetent. The real issue isn't that she is a strong girl. But that that is all she is. It's like Disney's real life Mulan movie. The original Mulan was about a simple woman overcoming and outsmarting her problems with her wits and defying tradition to open up to something new. And the new Mulan is just doing the same thing every other soldier does but she does it better because she is a strong girl with magical super powers. Similarly Captn Marvel Sue is just better then anyone else simply because she is . Simply because she got more power and is better then everyone. Then there is the painfully cringe biker scene Of course ultimately it's execution that makes the end product but intend explains it. They were just concerned with making carol the biggest baddest Mary sue around and forgot to make her into an actual character. That isn't to say that MCU writing is usually amazing by any means but it isnt that. And on a personal note I hate how they screwd up this character. I don't read a lot of comics. 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Aoishi said: What we have most here in MAL is anime co-produced with other countries.I don't know if that shit is co-worked with Japan, but even if it is, in MAL there are only complete japanese productions. For the umpteeth time, no, MAL doesn't include those "semi-anime". |
| It's not made by professional Japanese or Chinese studio, so it won't. |
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