Sword Art Online: Alicization Episode 13 Discussion

ShadowMage612 said:
Yeah, this cuople of episodes was boring for someone and i agree with it, they are not needed here.

Hamakami said:


SAO defenders are framing criticism to info dumps as not understanding world building. You can have world building without people standing around explaining pages and pages of arbitrary concepts that might explain why a singular event happens later. Look at HunterXHunter(to use your avatar) - Magic system and world building all came about by watching antagonists and protagonists interact with that world and reveal the differences to our own through cause and effect. Not sit in a library, cafe, tavern, hallway, command center, open field, for 10's of minutes on end and just narrate with lip flaps.

It's really bad story structure and writing and it's frustrating that many in these threads make excuses for it. "Just wait guys, it gets better! This is needed to setup what happens later". Fune wo Amu had more compelling story telling and that was about making a dictionary.

This is just "infodump" the anime.

And it is getting worse, not better.

Tokoya said:
But...They did show us.....

We got the rest of the backstory/flashback and then the rest of her episode was explaining her goals, followed by her explaining how certain things would work, what else was there to even show lol?

Turtles_Hunter said:
One more episode that if I understood english, I could listen to it in the background and miss nothing. It may be time for them to understand the visual part in anime is also important. I don't remember being like that during the two first seasons.

Exactly. But I don't get you when you say it's weaker. At least half of the episode have been like this up until now. 10 to 12 showed some moment that let think it could at last change, but we're back to zero again.

lTl__lTl said:
filler time and with a decent girl wanted a hug... hmmm

rsc-pl said:
When I'm reading the comments here (boring, "zzz zzz", try to no sleep challenge, filler, "no action = bad", infodump etc) I'm starting to understand why SAO fans are hated everywhere.

Great episode btw.

rsc-pl said:
When I'm reading the comments here (boring, "zzz zzz", try to no sleep challenge, filler, "no action = bad", infodump etc) I'm starting to understand why SAO fans are hated everywhere.

Great episode btw.

supernicolasman said:


nope that was telling us.
An info dump with a few clips of what happened while she is telling the story is a clear way of telling the whole mythology of the show in a whole episode (or here two).

That's something that some movies and tv shows do which really doesn't help the viewer get invested in the story at all. You need to take time with telling us about the whole story behind a world.

Here it seems the writer only wanted to get rid of this episode fast so they try to do as much as they can do in a very small amount of time which really doesn't help spiking the viewer's interest.

If it had taken more episodes with us learning more and more as we watched the show, it would have been a more effective tool of storytelling than what they did here.

I was into the previous episode because the story behind it was quite interesting but this episode really threw me out of it and shows that just reciting a story (yes with images here) really doesn't help anyone.
I'm pretty sure even kirito couldn't bare one more second of listening to her.

The last thing is how they tell you what the final goal is in such a way that it fells quite boring, and that's why i hope there is more to it than just achieving this goal.

Chrome_Falcon said:
This not a spoiler because they skipped it, but to quote from LN -

It would have taken just 30 seconds to include this monologue. You can see how much it improves the character of Kirito.

UtopiaBeyond said:


All it really adds is that Kirito is unsure if he has the right to save only up to 10 people. We know he wants save everyone if possible first. So I see no problem here?

Chrome_Falcon said:
I think that dilemma Kirito faces is very interesting. That's all.

Mattinator95 said:



People really need to figure out what is filler and what is not .... This wasn't filler

Tokoya said:
There was nothing left to show though, what are you even talking about lol

Once the flashback explaining how Cardinal got in that library was over, she LITERALLY spent the rest of the episode:

1. Explaining her theories behind the world and the "Gods" from the real world

2. Explaining how she believes that the evil creatures of the world are gonna attack them all and destroy everything

3. Explaining how Administrator foolishly believes that her Knights will be enough to repel these monsters (And we DID see her resurrect and command the very first knight to attack the dragon from hat cave with the goblins)

4. Her asking Kirito for that hug

5. Her explaining how the system call thing works in regards to high level weapons (And if you wanted to see this, it makes no sense for us to even see it happen here since I'm 1000% certain that once the fights vs these Knights start, we are certainly going to see what she meant here)

I repeat, what more do you possibly want? Because none of these things even remotely warrants any added visuals since it LITERALLY JUST EXPOSITION - Which idek if you actually know the meaning of since you're complaining about not seeing anything

supernicolasman said:


Im not complaining about added visuals, i'm complaining about watching a boring ass episode where the show (or light novel) could have clearly told this little by little through multiple episodes instead of just doing a huge info dump which is what made this whole episode so boring.

And telling the whole history of the world which we are supposed to be interested in shouldn't be that boring but here it is.

I am not asking for more visuals, i am saying we didn't need this episode at all where the show could have been a tad smarter than just doing a info dump by instead telling all this info through multiple episodes to make it more exciting for the audience.

Literally the whole comment section is saying this episode was a boring info dump so yes i am saying this show (or the light novel, if it was the same there as well) should have gone differently with telling the story.

Period..

Tokoya said:
Why do you think series have moments like this that are filled with exposition lol? Apart from the obvious answer (Which is world building/characterization), it's so that they can get it all out of the way to appease people like you that just want to see constant action and eye candy

But just because you lack the attention span or interest in exposition to find it so boring, that doesn't mean that it's objectively boring (So I dunno where you thought you were going with that comment about "The whole comment section" which in itself is an exaggeration to begin with)

Period....

Ulquiorra said:
I thought she wanted a kiss, lol.